Enough is enough with the redshirting!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?

In practical terms, how does this impact you?

I'm not someone who redshirted BTW.

In a competitive environment for academics and sports it impacts my young June birthday. We have 38 boys in our private and 17 from this class are redshirted. He had to constantly be held to a higher standard because his peer group is so much older and that’s across the board.

I'm sure you will not see the ridiculousness of your statement. You pay for private school so you really don't get to bit* about this.

[Anonymous]

I have a 9 yr old 3rd grader (November birthday). There are no 10 year olds in his class. The oldest kid has a May birthday so is 9.5 now. It’s still pretty rare.

[Anonymous]

That’s weird, my redshirted kid was age 9 all through 3rd.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?

In practical terms, how does this impact you?

I'm not someone who redshirted BTW.

In a competitive environment for academics and sports it impacts my young June birthday. We have 38 boys in our private and 17 from this class are redshirted. He had to constantly be held to a higher standard because his peer group is so much older and that’s across the board.

Sounds like you should have redshirted if that’s the demographics of the school. Most private schools don’t allow enrollment before five so yeah; that means there’s a lot of 9-10 y/os four years later. Basic math….?

My child was 5 in Kinder. He wasn’t 4.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?

In practical terms, how does this impact you?

I'm not someone who redshirted BTW.

I'm not someone who redshirted either, but holy moly isn't it obvious? If there are still many developmental differences at this age, it can badly affect kids that are on the younger side emotionally, socially, physically, mentally, academically, etc. and it must be frustrating if they are in the grade they are supposed to be, and other kids are not.

But then a lot of those parents swear up and down that the challenge is good for those kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?

In practical terms, how does this impact you?

I'm not someone who redshirted BTW.

My kids are not red-shirted, but both are within 6 weeks of our district cutoff. One is very young and one is in the older and of their grades. It probably doesn’t impact OP’s kid long term, but if you have a summer BD kid who went on time and red shirting is very prevalent, it can be annoying. However most things I can think of occur for kids of all ages.

It can be dangerous if there are many kids who are much larger than yours and playground roughhousing leads to injuries, but I know some kids 15 mo older than my 5th grader who are smaller than most of their younger classmates. It can be annoying if the parents of the older child insist their child is gifted and not being challenged and demand extra attention from the teacher - when the child would probably be better served in their proper grade. However I know obnoxious parents of on-time kids too that seem to monopolize teacher and admin attention.
If your child is on time and young, but the majority of boys are older, it can lead younger or less experienced teachers to view your child as immature, inattentive, or poorly behaved - when they are acting their age. If kids are outliers age-wise, they may not be able to play on sports teams with school friends. My Nov. BD kiddo had an emotionally tough soccer season this fall when he switched teams and 80% of the kids he played against were a grade up - he’s used to being the “older” kid.

The older my kids get, the less it seems to matter academically. It does start to matter socially where interests diverge. Again - age is just a piece of the puzzle. Kids physically, mentally, and emotionally mature at different rates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?

In practical terms, how does this impact you?

I'm not someone who redshirted BTW.

My kids are not red-shirted, but both are within 6 weeks of our district cutoff. One is very young and one is in the older and of their grades. It probably doesn’t impact OP’s kid long term, but if you have a summer BD kid who went on time and red shirting is very prevalent, it can be annoying. However most things I can think of occur for kids of all ages.

It can be dangerous if there are many kids who are much larger than yours and playground roughhousing leads to injuries, but I know some kids 15 mo older than my 5th grader who are smaller than most of their younger classmates. It can be annoying if the parents of the older child insist their child is gifted and not being challenged and demand extra attention from the teacher - when the child would probably be better served in their proper grade. However I know obnoxious parents of on-time kids too that seem to monopolize teacher and admin attention.
If your child is on time and young, but the majority of boys are older, it can lead younger or less experienced teachers to view your child as immature, inattentive, or poorly behaved - when they are acting their age. If kids are outliers age-wise, they may not be able to play on sports teams with school friends. My Nov. BD kiddo had an emotionally tough soccer season this fall when he switched teams and 80% of the kids he played against were a grade up - he’s used to being the “older” kid.

The older my kids get, the less it seems to matter academically. It does start to matter socially where interests diverge. Again - age is just a piece of the puzzle. Kids physically, mentally, and emotionally mature at different rates.

Yes, they all mature at different rates. I am the one you are responding to and I probably should have redshirted my son. He has ADHD and ASD and has never been as mature as the other kids his age. He is managing but he probably would have done better if he was a year older in the same grade. So I assume that all o the families are doing what they feel is necessary for their kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?

In practical terms, how does this impact you?

I'm not someone who redshirted BTW.

I'm not someone who redshirted either, but holy moly isn't it obvious? If there are still many developmental differences at this age, it can badly affect kids that are on the younger side emotionally, socially, physically, mentally, academically, etc. and it must be frustrating if they are in the grade they are supposed to be, and other kids are not.

DP but my kids go to Montessori where there are three grades per class. Never any issues with younger kids being negatively impacted by the mere presence of older kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?

In practical terms, how does this impact you?

I'm not someone who redshirted BTW.

In practical terms, my kids school offers advanced math and ELA to the top 25% of the grade. And that group is like, every single red shirted kid plus maybe 10 others. (Not NP). My kid is fine and is in the advanced group anyways, but you shouldn’t take an advanced spot away from a child if you were made to repeat K or held back from K voluntarily. You’re not an advanced and gifted learner you’re just supposed to be in the next grade up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?

In practical terms, how does this impact you?

I'm not someone who redshirted BTW.

I'm not someone who redshirted either, but holy moly isn't it obvious? If there are still many developmental differences at this age, it can badly affect kids that are on the younger side emotionally, socially, physically, mentally, academically, etc. and it must be frustrating if they are in the grade they are supposed to be, and other kids are not.

DP but my kids go to Montessori where there are three grades per class. Never any issues with younger kids being negatively impacted by the mere presence of older kids.

That’s a completely different environment and learning style which I’m positive you already know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?

In practical terms, how does this impact you?

I'm not someone who redshirted BTW.

In practical terms, my kids school offers advanced math and ELA to the top 25% of the grade. And that group is like, every single red shirted kid plus maybe 10 others. (Not NP). My kid is fine and is in the advanced group anyways, but you shouldn’t take an advanced spot away from a child if you were made to repeat K or held back from K voluntarily. You’re not an advanced and gifted learner you’re just supposed to be in the next grade up.

But they are doing the same academics as the other kids. They haven’t had an extra year of learning just an extra year of playing in preschool.

[Anonymous]

Sure you can do it but why do you want a way older kid in the grade? It’s just annoying

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?

In practical terms, how does this impact you?

I'm not someone who redshirted BTW.

I'm not someone who redshirted either, but holy moly isn't it obvious? If there are still many developmental differences at this age, it can badly affect kids that are on the younger side emotionally, socially, physically, mentally, academically, etc. and it must be frustrating if they are in the grade they are supposed to be, and other kids are not.

But then a lot of those parents swear up and down that the challenge is good for those kids.

I have a 10 year old 5th grader (was 9 for the first couple weeks of school, went on-time with a birthday almost at the cut-off) and I will indeed swear up and down the challenge is working fine for her.

It might get interesting if her sport moves to a "school year" cut-off, because then if she plays with her assigned age division it will be kids a grade younger than her, which in turn would impact making her high school team if it were at all competitive at our school (it's not - small private). But at the same time she's tiny even for her actual age, so she'd probably have fun being the oldest on the team and actually normal-sized.

And academically there will come a time around 8th-9th where if she keeps on a super accelerated math track it might be a pain for her to make that leap to the more advanced math concepts, but I'm guessing she'll be on a merely middling math track so that shouldn't be a major issue.

Socially we'll see, but she's not an oldest so she has plenty of experience around older kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?

In practical terms, how does this impact you?

I'm not someone who redshirted BTW.

In practical terms, my kids school offers advanced math and ELA to the top 25% of the grade. And that group is like, every single red shirted kid plus maybe 10 others. (Not NP). My kid is fine and is in the advanced group anyways, but you shouldn’t take an advanced spot away from a child if you were made to repeat K or held back from K voluntarily. You’re not an advanced and gifted learner you’re just supposed to be in the next grade up.

But they are doing the same academics as the other kids. They haven’t had an extra year of learning just an extra year of playing in preschool.

Because developmentally it’s a lot easier for a kid a year older especially in the elementary years. You understand that right? If you’re telling yourself they are gifted consider that. They probably aren’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sure you can do it but why do you want a way older kid in the grade? It’s just annoying

A ten year old doesn’t make sense. Redshirting gets you to 9 years old not 10 unless they are ten for like, a week in June or something.