Enough is enough with the redshirting!

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Anonymous wrote:My kid followed the cut offs and started 6th grade as a 10 yo this fall. There shouldn't be any 10 yos in 3rd grade.

Your cutoffs are weird. My 11yo is in 5th grade with a September birthday, after the cutoff.

DP but FCPS has a September 30th cut-off. My kid will be 10 for the first couple weeks of 6th. Meanwhile my Feb. birthday kid started 6th as an 11 yo and turned 12 in the middle, like you'd expect.

My school, like many others, has a Sept 1 cutoff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The current third grade cohort is tough. A lot of kids who should be in 4th, but either had such a terrible virtual kindergarten experience that their parents retained them, or they were redshirtted to avoid virtual school entirely.

I'm willing to give the current third grade class a pass (but am pissed about as a child with a summer birthday who started on time), but it's prevalent in other classes, too. Even older grades. My 6th grader has friends who are turning 13 this spring.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid followed the cut offs and started 6th grade as a 10 yo this fall. There shouldn't be any 10 yos in 3rd grade.

Your cutoffs are weird. My 11yo is in 5th grade with a September birthday, after the cutoff.

DP but FCPS has a September 30th cut-off. My kid will be 10 for the first couple weeks of 6th. Meanwhile my Feb. birthday kid started 6th as an 11 yo and turned 12 in the middle, like you'd expect.

My school, like many others, has a Sept 1 cutoff.

Yes, Maryland is Sept 1. Virginia and DC are Sept 30. Schools start back in August in many places, so there are 10 yo 6th graders for a few weeks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?

In practical terms, how does this impact you?

I'm not someone who redshirted BTW.

In practical terms, my kids school offers advanced math and ELA to the top 25% of the grade. And that group is like, every single red shirted kid plus maybe 10 others. (Not NP). My kid is fine and is in the advanced group anyways, but you shouldn’t take an advanced spot away from a child if you were made to repeat K or held back from K voluntarily. You’re not an advanced and gifted learner you’re just supposed to be in the next grade up.

Exactly. Schools need to either crack down on redshirting or else choose a different way to handle competition.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?

In practical terms, how does this impact you?

I'm not someone who redshirted BTW.

I'm not someone who redshirted either, but holy moly isn't it obvious? If there are still many developmental differences at this age, it can badly affect kids that are on the younger side emotionally, socially, physically, mentally, academically, etc. and it must be frustrating if they are in the grade they are supposed to be, and other kids are not.

DP but my kids go to Montessori where there are three grades per class. Never any issues with younger kids being negatively impacted by the mere presence of older kids.

That’s a completely different environment and learning style which I’m positive you already know.

Sure, but it doesn’t change the fundamental nature of kids, and the PP I responded to rather dramatically said this:

“it can badly affect kids that are on the younger side emotionally, socially, physically, mentally, academically, etc.”

Maybe they should back up that claim with specifics. Or admit their outrage is pure competitiveness.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?

In practical terms, how does this impact you?

I'm not someone who redshirted BTW.

In practical terms, my kids school offers advanced math and ELA to the top 25% of the grade. And that group is like, every single red shirted kid plus maybe 10 others. (Not NP). My kid is fine and is in the advanced group anyways, but you shouldn’t take an advanced spot away from a child if you were made to repeat K or held back from K voluntarily. You’re not an advanced and gifted learner you’re just supposed to be in the next grade up.

But they are doing the same academics as the other kids. They haven’t had an extra year of learning just an extra year of playing in preschool.

And their brains are a full year more mature. There is a reason that (most) kids can’t learn to read at age 3 but (most) kids can learn to read at age 6. Their brains have developed. There is a reason why my August kids cogat score said he was 99th percentile for age but 94th percentile for grade.

JFC. Love how you had to include the specific numbers, mom. How many months old was your snowflake when he rolled over? Walked? Talked? I’ll bet you have always monitored how he stacks up against his peers

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?

In practical terms, how does this impact you?

I'm not someone who redshirted BTW.

In a competitive environment for academics and sports it impacts my young June birthday. We have 38 boys in our private and 17 from this class are redshirted. He had to constantly be held to a higher standard because his peer group is so much older and that’s across the board.

Well that’s your problem. Private schools often have earlier “unofficial cutoffs” in April or May. Send your kid to public and there are plenty of summer birthday kids - the majority of summer birthday kids - sent on time. How did you not know about the unofficial cutoff when you registered your kid for school anyway??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?

In practical terms, how does this impact you?

I'm not someone who redshirted BTW.

I'm not someone who redshirted either, but holy moly isn't it obvious? If there are still many developmental differences at this age, it can badly affect kids that are on the younger side emotionally, socially, physically, mentally, academically, etc. and it must be frustrating if they are in the grade they are supposed to be, and other kids are not.

Just wait until OP's child has a 20 year old in senior year trying to date a 16 year old junior.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid followed the cut offs and started 6th grade as a 10 yo this fall. There shouldn't be any 10 yos in 3rd grade.

Your cutoffs are weird. My 11yo is in 5th grade with a September birthday, after the cutoff.

DP but FCPS has a September 30th cut-off. My kid will be 10 for the first couple weeks of 6th. Meanwhile my Feb. birthday kid started 6th as an 11 yo and turned 12 in the middle, like you'd expect.

My school, like many others, has a Sept 1 cutoff.

Yes, Maryland is Sept 1. Virginia and DC are Sept 30. Schools start back in August in many places, so there are 10 yo 6th graders for a few weeks.

Right but those parents can’t deem the kids in another district as breaking the rules because they have an older on time kid. 11 in 5th grade isn’t wrong just because the PPs kid will be 10 in 6th for 5 minutes.

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Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?

In practical terms, how does this impact you?

I'm not someone who redshirted BTW.

In practical terms, my kids school offers advanced math and ELA to the top 25% of the grade. And that group is like, every single red shirted kid plus maybe 10 others. (Not NP). My kid is fine and is in the advanced group anyways, but you shouldn’t take an advanced spot away from a child if you were made to repeat K or held back from K voluntarily. You’re not an advanced and gifted learner you’re just supposed to be in the next grade up.

But they are doing the same academics as the other kids. They haven’t had an extra year of learning just an extra year of playing in preschool.

Because developmentally it’s a lot easier for a kid a year older especially in the elementary years. You understand that right? If you’re telling yourself they are gifted consider that. They probably aren’t.

But if you push your 4 yr old into kindergarten and they aren’t gifted you surely tell them it’s just their age, right? Let the excuses begin.

It’s not “pushing in”‘it’s sending them on time based on their birth date.

But you didn’t have to. You could have waited a year if being the youngest was going to be so upsetting. Others made different choices, the 4yr old kindergartener is there because of his parents decision to send him that young. Don’t do that then cry about how much easier the other kids have it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?

In practical terms, how does this impact you?

I'm not someone who redshirted BTW.

I'm not someone who redshirted either, but holy moly isn't it obvious? If there are still many developmental differences at this age, it can badly affect kids that are on the younger side emotionally, socially, physically, mentally, academically, etc. and it must be frustrating if they are in the grade they are supposed to be, and other kids are not.

DP but my kids go to Montessori where there are three grades per class. Never any issues with younger kids being negatively impacted by the mere presence of older kids.

That’s a completely different environment and learning style which I’m positive you already know.

Sure, but it doesn’t change the fundamental nature of kids, and the PP I responded to rather dramatically said this:

“it can badly affect kids that are on the younger side emotionally, socially, physically, mentally, academically, etc.”

Maybe they should back up that claim with specifics. Or admit their outrage is pure competitiveness.

There’s lot of articles on the relative age effect of sports but here is on for academics.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-oldest-kids-in-the-class-may-get-an-edge-in-college-admissions-1503052268

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?

In practical terms, how does this impact you?

I'm not someone who redshirted BTW.

In practical terms, my kids school offers advanced math and ELA to the top 25% of the grade. And that group is like, every single red shirted kid plus maybe 10 others. (Not NP). My kid is fine and is in the advanced group anyways, but you shouldn’t take an advanced spot away from a child if you were made to repeat K or held back from K voluntarily. You’re not an advanced and gifted learner you’re just supposed to be in the next grade up.

But they are doing the same academics as the other kids. They haven’t had an extra year of learning just an extra year of playing in preschool.

Because developmentally it’s a lot easier for a kid a year older especially in the elementary years. You understand that right? If you’re telling yourself they are gifted consider that. They probably aren’t.

But if you push your 4 yr old into kindergarten and they aren’t gifted you surely tell them it’s just their age, right? Let the excuses begin.

It’s not “pushing in”‘it’s sending them on time based on their birth date.

But you didn’t have to. You could have waited a year if being the youngest was going to be so upsetting. Others made different choices, the 4yr old kindergartener is there because of his parents decision to send him that young. Don’t do that then cry about how much easier the other kids have it.

And what about the April, May, early June birthdays that have 10 year olds in their 3rd grade class. I’m the OP. I think it’s completely reasonable to send a June 1 birthday. We didn’t know he would be the youngest. June seems reasonable to send. But he’s still 18 months+ younger than some peers.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?

In practical terms, how does this impact you?

I'm not someone who redshirted BTW.

In practical terms, my kids school offers advanced math and ELA to the top 25% of the grade. And that group is like, every single red shirted kid plus maybe 10 others. (Not NP). My kid is fine and is in the advanced group anyways, but you shouldn’t take an advanced spot away from a child if you were made to repeat K or held back from K voluntarily. You’re not an advanced and gifted learner you’re just supposed to be in the next grade up.

But they are doing the same academics as the other kids. They haven’t had an extra year of learning just an extra year of playing in preschool.

Because developmentally it’s a lot easier for a kid a year older especially in the elementary years. You understand that right? If you’re telling yourself they are gifted consider that. They probably aren’t.

But if you push your 4 yr old into kindergarten and they aren’t gifted you surely tell them it’s just their age, right? Let the excuses begin.

It’s not “pushing in”‘it’s sending them on time based on their birth date.

But you didn’t have to. You could have waited a year if being the youngest was going to be so upsetting. Others made different choices, the 4yr old kindergartener is there because of his parents decision to send him that young. Don’t do that then cry about how much easier the other kids have it.

And what about the April, May, early June birthdays that have 10 year olds in their 3rd grade class. I’m the OP. I think it’s completely reasonable to send a June 1 birthday. We didn’t know he would be the youngest. June seems reasonable to send. But he’s still 18 months+ younger than some peers.

In private school in this area, those kids are not routinely sent and are often held back a year. In public school they are usually sent. Send your kid to public. Done and dusted.

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Anonymous wrote:Hmmm, my redshirted 3rd grader will be 9 all school year since his birthday is over the summer. Are you sure those kids were actually redshirted?

Or maybe they had to repeat K due to not learning enough in virtual K.

Kindergarten isn’t even necessary.

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Two of my neighbors have kids in third grade. One repeated K because of terrible virtual K in 2020-2021, the other went on time in fall 2021. So you have a kid with a September 2014 birthday in the same class as a June 2016 birthday. That age spread is wild to me.

I get it, Covid virtual school was a mess. I'm glad I wasn't faced with that decision. But I can't imagine how challenges it has been for teachers the past few years to manage this unexpectedly large cohort of 3rd graders with a significant age spread.

FWIW, I kind of get a kick out of the two moms because they're always complaining about the other kids. Mom of older kid complains about how immature the younger 3rd graders are and how its holding her child back. Meanwhile, mom of younger complains about the older 3rd graders being feral hobgoblins who suck up all the teacher's attention.