Georgetown vs Williams

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting how off track this thread got. I actually agree with the PP who recommended CMC, because their philosophy department is stronger than Williams, and they have a streak of Econ earnings, but these are not the choices OP laid out.

every day, the forum gets worse

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting how both are “within reach“ for a kid who is barely through half of high school, especially when talking about two of the most selective colleges in the country?

He got a 1560 on the October SAT and likely National Merit Finalist and more than 2/3rd of his GPA is locked for ED/REA. And these are two pretty popular schools from his high school so naviance has pretty good data.

I get that you're trying to snark at me, but I'll reply in good faith. This was a big lesson from my first. Things shape up earlier than you think. Either you have the GPA on track and also have that state championship (in sport or debate or olympiad medal) or deep interest by now, or you don't. You can still make some things happen, but it's a limited time frame and scrambling in junior year sucks Protecting that GPA in 9th grade is big. So many kids chalk up a lot of Bs during "adjustment" to high school and look back at that like, why didn't I just study? also, getting into a competitive summer program or internship after 10th grade is easier than after 11th and bulks things up. And it's make sense to study for SAT in August before Junior year so you can do well on PSAT and just generally have it done.

Anyway, those two schools are within reach.

What is class rank? As someone who has been looking for every data point possible for Georgetown, it looks like top 5% is absolutely necessary without a hook. You may not be one of them, but I wish I had a penny for every parent who thinks a 1560 is going to save a GPA that is not truly at the very top and with tons of rigor. I've seen it time and time again

It's a private school that doesn't rank. It also has 20+ admits a year, far more than top 5% so I suspect this is a lot about what GU thinks of your high school. Georgetown is one of those schools that has a straight line for GPA (from our school anyway) and he's over it with a lot of room. Williams is a harder call - their naviance is a bit all over the map. But they have a "type" - judging from the kids who have gotten in the past from our school - and I think my kid matches that type.

That's what the schools tell you to avoid the question but your high school counselor knows and most likely your own kid knows. It's the girst thing readers for colleges assess by using the school profile and figuring out your kid's rank through GPA, no of AP courses taken, which AP courses, tescher's comments, etc. Takes a two minutes at most.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting how both are “within reach“ for a kid who is barely through half of high school, especially when talking about two of the most selective colleges in the country?

He got a 1560 on the October SAT and likely National Merit Finalist and more than 2/3rd of his GPA is locked for ED/REA. And these are two pretty popular schools from his high school so naviance has pretty good data.

I get that you're trying to snark at me, but I'll reply in good faith. This was a big lesson from my first. Things shape up earlier than you think. Either you have the GPA on track and also have that state championship (in sport or debate or olympiad medal) or deep interest by now, or you don't. You can still make some things happen, but it's a limited time frame and scrambling in junior year sucks Protecting that GPA in 9th grade is big. So many kids chalk up a lot of Bs during "adjustment" to high school and look back at that like, why didn't I just study? also, getting into a competitive summer program or internship after 10th grade is easier than after 11th and bulks things up. And it's make sense to study for SAT in August before Junior year so you can do well on PSAT and just generally have it done.

Anyway, those two schools are within reach.

What is class rank? As someone who has been looking for every data point possible for Georgetown, it looks like top 5% is absolutely necessary without a hook. You may not be one of them, but I wish I had a penny for every parent who thinks a 1560 is going to save a GPA that is not truly at the very top and with tons of rigor. I've seen it time and time again

It's a private school that doesn't rank. It also has 20+ admits a year, far more than top 5% so I suspect this is a lot about what GU thinks of your high school. Georgetown is one of those schools that has a straight line for GPA (from our school anyway) and he's over it with a lot of room. Williams is a harder call - their naviance is a bit all over the map. But they have a "type" - judging from the kids who have gotten in the past from our school - and I think my kid matches that type.

That's what the schools tell you to avoid the question but your high school counselor knows and most likely your own kid knows. It's the girst thing readers for colleges assess by using the school profile and figuring out your kid's rank through GPA, no of AP courses taken, which AP courses, tescher's comments, etc. Takes a two minutes at most.

This is going to make your head explode: it's a private school that doesn't rank, that doesn't weigh any grades, and offers no AP courses. No kid has a 4.0 and yet, 20% of the class gets into HYPSM. Also, kids with 3.8 GPA get into Georgetown about 80% of the time.

I'm not saying I don't have information. I have a plenty. I'm saying the school doesn't rank.

[Anonymous]

Every school ranks — it’s required for entry to the service academies. Some just don’t publicize it. Please don’t let your head explode.

[Anonymous]

well, that's not true. PAR can stand in for class rank for service academies for school's that dont' release any class rank (there are hundreds of such schools)

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there are even top high schools that don't provide grades. just narratives. they do in fact have kids that get into West Point etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has he considered Bucknell? It offers the best of both: a strong liberal arts core with a top philosophy department, and a pipeline to a high-paying finance job. You can't swing a cat on The Street without hitting a Bucknell grad, and they love to help other Bucknellians start their careers. It's one of the most fiercely loyal alumni networks of any school in the country.

No one, literally NO ONE would chose Bucknell over Williams or Georgetown. You are delusional and we all see through your marketing attempt. bucknell is not happening, lady!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has he considered Bucknell? It offers the best of both: a strong liberal arts core with a top philosophy department, and a pipeline to a high-paying finance job. You can't swing a cat on The Street without hitting a Bucknell grad, and they love to help other Bucknellians start their careers. It's one of the most fiercely loyal alumni networks of any school in the country.

No one, literally NO ONE would chose Bucknell over Williams or Georgetown. You are delusional and we all see through your marketing attempt. bucknell is not happening, lady!

My kid chose Bucknell (full ride) over lower Iv. He is currently working at wall street.

[Anonymous]

Working at the Wall Street! LFG😌

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has he considered Bucknell? It offers the best of both: a strong liberal arts core with a top philosophy department, and a pipeline to a high-paying finance job. You can't swing a cat on The Street without hitting a Bucknell grad, and they love to help other Bucknellians start their careers. It's one of the most fiercely loyal alumni networks of any school in the country.

No one, literally NO ONE would chose Bucknell over Williams or Georgetown. You are delusional and we all see through your marketing attempt. bucknell is not happening, lady!

My kid chose Bucknell (full ride) over lower Iv. He is currently working at wall street.

My DS chose Bucknell over Oxford. Too bad I only have a daughter!

[Anonymous]

LinkedIn says Georgetown has very good undergraduate finance placement. They are not a renowned quant place like MIT or Caltech. So, I suspect they have a lot of athletes and well-groomed upper-class kids who are willing to become workaholic spreadsheet monkeys and investment bankers. That does not seem to fit the personality of a philosophy major. Williams might be too small to be ranked.

https://www.businessinsider.com/linkedin-ranks-25-best-universities-to-work-in-finance-2014-10

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Anonymous wrote:LinkedIn says Georgetown has very good undergraduate finance placement. They are not a renowned quant place like MIT or Caltech. So, I suspect they have a lot of athletes and well-groomed upper-class kids who are willing to become workaholic spreadsheet monkeys and investment bankers. That does not seem to fit the personality of a philosophy major. Williams might be too small to be ranked.

https://www.businessinsider.com/linkedin-ranks-25-best-universities-to-work-in-finance-2014-10

Williams is too small in terms of absolute numbers, but it’s a target school. Though even at Williams, they’re expecting an Econ degree.

[Anonymous]

It looks like Williams and Georgetown are quite similar on an enrollment basis.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:LinkedIn says Georgetown has very good undergraduate finance placement. They are not a renowned quant place like MIT or Caltech. So, I suspect they have a lot of athletes and well-groomed upper-class kids who are willing to become workaholic spreadsheet monkeys and investment bankers. That does not seem to fit the personality of a philosophy major. Williams might be too small to be ranked.

https://www.businessinsider.com/linkedin-ranks-25-best-universities-to-work-in-finance-2014-10

Williams is too small in terms of absolute numbers, but it’s a target school. Though even at Williams, they’re expecting an Econ degree.

+1. Both schools get kids into banking (but not Bucknell. Bucknell is not even mid at finance).

https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/ib-target-schools

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking

[Anonymous]

this must be a troll account- no one in their right mind would choose Georgetown over Williams - Williams is a peer of HYPSM, Georgetown is a peer of UVA - bleh