Georgetown vs Williams

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Anonymous wrote:Williams you get in because you are an above average athlete who is above average academically.

Georgetown you get in because you are excellent academically.

Williams has higher prestige than Georgetown. This is simply a DMV opinion.

Disagree.

Between Williams College and Georgetown University, Georgetown is viewed as the more prestigious school. Georgetown University is a National University recognized worldwide; Williams College is a small, rural LAC which mimics four year elite New England prep boarding schools. Nonetheless, both are outstanding educational institutions which offer very different experiences for an undergraduate student. But, only in the minds of LAC fanatics is Williams seen as the more prestigious educational institution.

Boarding schools mimic colleges like Williams, not vice-versa.

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Anonymous wrote:Williams is a much more prestigious school and the clear choice unless you don’t want to be in rural MA. And wanting to be in a vibrant city instead of rural MA is totally valid!

Ask people overseas, which of these two had they likely heard of....?

Oh, oh, I can answer this! (I work in higher ed, often the field of international recruitment at my school and am unaffiliated with either Williams or Georgetown.)

The answer is, the vast majority of internationals have heard of neither. Internationals know of research-focused Ivies, Ivy+'s, and massive research public schools like Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, Washington, and Illinois. Outside of international schools, they know very little about LACs, but they also know little about pre-professional schools like Georgetown, which isn't even ranked in the top 300 in the QS rankings (https://www.topuniversities.com/universities/georgetown-university) or top 500 in the Shanghai rankings (https://www.shanghairanking.com/rankings/arwu/2024).

Good. So they are on the same level of prestige in this sense, or the same level of lacking of it, not one is more prestigious than the other...

Williams is in the top tier of LACs, alongside Amherst, Bowdoin, Swarthmore, Bucknell, Middlebury, etc.

Georgetown is in the second tier of universities with Vanderbilt, WashU, Emory, Rice, etc. (The top university tier includes the Ivies, Stanford, Duke, MIT, etc.)

So, you’re comparing a top-tier LAC with a second-tier university. The question is how much more elite universities are compared to LACs. That’s a pretty nebulous comparison. Does the top tier of LACs align with the second tier of universities? It’s hard to say definitively, but they’re probably comparable.

Which means this whole discussion is like splitting hairs.

Well, Forbes takes a crack and ranks Williams at 17 (wedged between Dartmouth and Brown...but behind the usual top suspects plus Berkeley, Chicago, JHU, Vanderbilt, etc.). It is the highest ranked LAC. Georgetown is ranked 32.

WSJ also ranks schools together. WSJ ranks Georgetown 34 while Williams is at 174.

WSJ does have CMC at #5, Davidson at 10, Swarthmore at 35...so they do have LACs ranked very high.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Williams is a much more prestigious school and the clear choice unless you don’t want to be in rural MA. And wanting to be in a vibrant city instead of rural MA is totally valid!

Ask people overseas, which of these two had they likely heard of....?

Neither. If it isn’t Harvard, MIT, Stanford or Berkeley, it’s not that well known.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Williams is a much more prestigious school and the clear choice unless you don’t want to be in rural MA. And wanting to be in a vibrant city instead of rural MA is totally valid!

Ask people overseas, which of these two had they likely heard of....?

Oh, oh, I can answer this! (I work in higher ed, often the field of international recruitment at my school and am unaffiliated with either Williams or Georgetown.)

The answer is, the vast majority of internationals have heard of neither. Internationals know of research-focused Ivies, Ivy+'s, and massive research public schools like Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, Washington, and Illinois. Outside of international schools, they know very little about LACs, but they also know little about pre-professional schools like Georgetown, which isn't even ranked in the top 300 in the QS rankings (https://www.topuniversities.com/universities/georgetown-university) or top 500 in the Shanghai rankings (https://www.shanghairanking.com/rankings/arwu/2024).

Good. So they are on the same level of prestige in this sense, or the same level of lacking of it, not one is more prestigious than the other...

Williams is in the top tier of LACs, alongside Amherst, Bowdoin, Swarthmore, Bucknell, Middlebury, etc.

Georgetown is in the second tier of universities with Vanderbilt, WashU, Emory, Rice, etc. (The top university tier includes the Ivies, Stanford, Duke, MIT, etc.)

So, you’re comparing a top-tier LAC with a second-tier university. The question is how much more elite universities are compared to LACs. That’s a pretty nebulous comparison. Does the top tier of LACs align with the second tier of universities? It’s hard to say definitively, but they’re probably comparable.

Which means this whole discussion is like splitting hairs.

Bucknell, Middlebury, Bowdoin are not the highest tier of lac. Bucknell is several tiers below all of these LACs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Williams is a much more prestigious school and the clear choice unless you don’t want to be in rural MA. And wanting to be in a vibrant city instead of rural MA is totally valid!

Ask people overseas, which of these two had they likely heard of....?

Oh, oh, I can answer this! (I work in higher ed, often the field of international recruitment at my school and am unaffiliated with either Williams or Georgetown.)

The answer is, the vast majority of internationals have heard of neither. Internationals know of research-focused Ivies, Ivy+'s, and massive research public schools like Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, Washington, and Illinois. Outside of international schools, they know very little about LACs, but they also know little about pre-professional schools like Georgetown, which isn't even ranked in the top 300 in the QS rankings (https://www.topuniversities.com/universities/georgetown-university) or top 500 in the Shanghai rankings (https://www.shanghairanking.com/rankings/arwu/2024).

Good. So they are on the same level of prestige in this sense, or the same level of lacking of it, not one is more prestigious than the other...

Williams is in the top tier of LACs, alongside Amherst, Bowdoin, Swarthmore, Bucknell, Middlebury, etc.

Georgetown is in the second tier of universities with Vanderbilt, WashU, Emory, Rice, etc. (The top university tier includes the Ivies, Stanford, Duke, MIT, etc.)

So, you’re comparing a top-tier LAC with a second-tier university. The question is how much more elite universities are compared to LACs. That’s a pretty nebulous comparison. Does the top tier of LACs align with the second tier of universities? It’s hard to say definitively, but they’re probably comparable.

Which means this whole discussion is like splitting hairs.

Bucknell, Middlebury, Bowdoin are not the highest tier of lac. Bucknell is several tiers below all of these LACs

Not on the STREET! Don't you read DCUM?

[Anonymous]

Kids are funny - Williams and Georgetown feel like very different schools to me so I love it that they are the top two choices. ( I went to Williams and my DH went to Gtown).

As both are great schools, agree with prior posters that you really need your child to figure out what they are looking for in regard to:

Location - one is urban and one is rural. Really rural.

College v. University - Williams has no grad schools or students (other than small art history and foreign econ program) while Gtown has many

Class size - Williams will tend to have smaller classes and fewer TAs teaching, especially in humanities

Athletics - lots of sports participation at Williams, less emphasis at Gtown

Housing - Most students at Williams live in dorms all four years - most students at Gtown are off campus after freshman year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Williams is a much more prestigious school and the clear choice unless you don’t want to be in rural MA. And wanting to be in a vibrant city instead of rural MA is totally valid!

Ask people overseas, which of these two had they likely heard of....?

Oh, oh, I can answer this! (I work in higher ed, often the field of international recruitment at my school and am unaffiliated with either Williams or Georgetown.)

The answer is, the vast majority of internationals have heard of neither. Internationals know of research-focused Ivies, Ivy+'s, and massive research public schools like Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, Washington, and Illinois. Outside of international schools, they know very little about LACs, but they also know little about pre-professional schools like Georgetown, which isn't even ranked in the top 300 in the QS rankings (https://www.topuniversities.com/universities/georgetown-university) or top 500 in the Shanghai rankings (https://www.shanghairanking.com/rankings/arwu/2024).

Good. So they are on the same level of prestige in this sense, or the same level of lacking of it, not one is more prestigious than the other...

PP here. I personally think that the top 25-ish universities and top 10-ish LACs are all great schools and that decisions should be made on fit and program, not ranking or prestige. I went to a T20 research giant but one of my kids goes to a WASP school. They are both great in different ways.

For international students who plan to return to their country after graduation, the traditional thinking is that international prestige matters. So a school like Washington may have more cachet in India than, say, Dartmouth or Williams. But I think this may be changing a little. I visited some very prestigious international schools in Shanghai earlier this year, where the median SAT is around 1500 (keeping in mind that 98% of the students speak English as a second language). They often have photos and descriptions of the colleges where the prior graduating class matriculated, and I was surprised at many LACs were listed (rough guess: ~15-20%). And one of Korea's most prestigious international scholarships (Kwanjeong) is offered for Korean students studying in 15 elite U.S. colleges, which includes HYPSM but also WASP. It doesn't include Dartmouth, Cornell, or Duke.

Some of these LACs are “well known” overseas, especially in east Asia, simply because they had run aggressive marketing campaigns targeting wealthy families in these countries. G’Town for a particular example, never had tried to promote itself over there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Williams is a much more prestigious school and the clear choice unless you don’t want to be in rural MA. And wanting to be in a vibrant city instead of rural MA is totally valid!

Ask people overseas, which of these two had they likely heard of....?

Oh, oh, I can answer this! (I work in higher ed, often the field of international recruitment at my school and am unaffiliated with either Williams or Georgetown.)

The answer is, the vast majority of internationals have heard of neither. Internationals know of research-focused Ivies, Ivy+'s, and massive research public schools like Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, Washington, and Illinois. Outside of international schools, they know very little about LACs, but they also know little about pre-professional schools like Georgetown, which isn't even ranked in the top 300 in the QS rankings (https://www.topuniversities.com/universities/georgetown-university) or top 500 in the Shanghai rankings (https://www.shanghairanking.com/rankings/arwu/2024).

Good. So they are on the same level of prestige in this sense, or the same level of lacking of it, not one is more prestigious than the other...

is this an international student? I didn't get that at all. If not, who cares what someone in Vietnam thinks