Georgetown vs Williams

[Anonymous]

for junior boy who wants to study humanities like philosophy in college and still get a job in finance. he's had a (mock) stock portfolio since about 4th grade.

for whatever reason, these are his two schools and per naviance, both are within reach.

[Anonymous]

Spend plenty of time on campus. It will be about feel.

[Anonymous]

For Philosophy, their ranking is nearly identical. Both are also solid for Finance. Given the internship opportunities in DC, I'd lean Georgetown, but of course your DC would be fortunate to get into either.

[Anonymous]

Interesting how both are “within reach“ for a kid who is barely through half of high school, especially when talking about two of the most selective colleges in the country?

[Anonymous]

I had the same decision several decades ago. I picked Williams but it really is about the fit. They offer different things academically and socially.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting how both are “within reach“ for a kid who is barely through half of high school, especially when talking about two of the most selective colleges in the country?

"barely through half of high school"--we're heading into second semester of junior year, OP prob has some idea of what's in reach, given cumulative GPA and ECs. Obviously things can change. OP also said "per Naviance" both schools are "within reach." Is it okay with you if they ask a question?

[Anonymous]

Has he considered Bucknell? It offers the best of both: a strong liberal arts core with a top philosophy department, and a pipeline to a high-paying finance job. You can't swing a cat on The Street without hitting a Bucknell grad, and they love to help other Bucknellians start their careers. It's one of the most fiercely loyal alumni networks of any school in the country.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting how both are “within reach“ for a kid who is barely through half of high school, especially when talking about two of the most selective colleges in the country?

He got a 1560 on the October SAT and likely National Merit Finalist and more than 2/3rd of his GPA is locked for ED/REA. And these are two pretty popular schools from his high school so naviance has pretty good data.

I get that you're trying to snark at me, but I'll reply in good faith. This was a big lesson from my first. Things shape up earlier than you think. Either you have the GPA on track and also have that state championship (in sport or debate or olympiad medal) or deep interest by now, or you don't. You can still make some things happen, but it's a limited time frame and scrambling in junior year sucks Protecting that GPA in 9th grade is big. So many kids chalk up a lot of Bs during "adjustment" to high school and look back at that like, why didn't I just study? also, getting into a competitive summer program or internship after 10th grade is easier than after 11th and bulks things up. And it's make sense to study for SAT in August before Junior year so you can do well on PSAT and just generally have it done.

Anyway, those two schools are within reach.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting how both are “within reach“ for a kid who is barely through half of high school, especially when talking about two of the most selective colleges in the country?

He got a 1560 on the October SAT and likely National Merit Finalist and more than 2/3rd of his GPA is locked for ED/REA. And these are two pretty popular schools from his high school so naviance has pretty good data.

I get that you're trying to snark at me, but I'll reply in good faith. This was a big lesson from my first. Things shape up earlier than you think. Either you have the GPA on track and also have that state championship (in sport or debate or olympiad medal) or deep interest by now, or you don't. You can still make some things happen, but it's a limited time frame and scrambling in junior year sucks Protecting that GPA in 9th grade is big. So many kids chalk up a lot of Bs during "adjustment" to high school and look back at that like, why didn't I just study? also, getting into a competitive summer program or internship after 10th grade is easier than after 11th and bulks things up. And it's make sense to study for SAT in August before Junior year so you can do well on PSAT and just generally have it done.

Anyway, those two schools are within reach.

What is class rank? As someone who has been looking for every data point possible for Georgetown, it looks like top 5% is absolutely necessary without a hook. You may not be one of them, but I wish I had a penny for every parent who thinks a 1560 is going to save a GPA that is not truly at the very top and with tons of rigor. I've seen it time and time again

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting how both are “within reach“ for a kid who is barely through half of high school, especially when talking about two of the most selective colleges in the country?

He got a 1560 on the October SAT and likely National Merit Finalist and more than 2/3rd of his GPA is locked for ED/REA. And these are two pretty popular schools from his high school so naviance has pretty good data.

I get that you're trying to snark at me, but I'll reply in good faith. This was a big lesson from my first. Things shape up earlier than you think. Either you have the GPA on track and also have that state championship (in sport or debate or olympiad medal) or deep interest by now, or you don't. You can still make some things happen, but it's a limited time frame and scrambling in junior year sucks Protecting that GPA in 9th grade is big. So many kids chalk up a lot of Bs during "adjustment" to high school and look back at that like, why didn't I just study? also, getting into a competitive summer program or internship after 10th grade is easier than after 11th and bulks things up. And it's make sense to study for SAT in August before Junior year so you can do well on PSAT and just generally have it done.

Anyway, those two schools are within reach.

What is class rank? As someone who has been looking for every data point possible for Georgetown, it looks like top 5% is absolutely necessary without a hook. You may not be one of them, but I wish I had a penny for every parent who thinks a 1560 is going to save a GPA that is not truly at the very top and with tons of rigor. I've seen it time and time again

It's a private school that doesn't rank. It also has 20+ admits a year, far more than top 5% so I suspect this is a lot about what GU thinks of your high school. Georgetown is one of those schools that has a straight line for GPA (from our school anyway) and he's over it with a lot of room. Williams is a harder call - their naviance is a bit all over the map. But they have a "type" - judging from the kids who have gotten in the past from our school - and I think my kid matches that type.

[Anonymous]

Pretty similar student bodies is the most starkly different settings.

[Anonymous]

Not sure if Georgetown kids get finance jobs unless they're business students or SFS students with econ.

[Anonymous]

These two schools seem totally different to me in terms of culture and fit. Which one feels better to him when walking around (urban vs rural, etc). They’re both super schools and anyone would be fortunate to be admitted to either, much less both.

[Anonymous]

NOTA
42% of males at Williams are athletes 421/1012 — https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/institution/details
They have the pipeline to finance jobs.
At Georgetown, kid will take a back seat to McDonough students.
BTW: kid will be an Econ/Philosophy double major, whether it’s admitted now or not; let’s not pretend.

[Anonymous]

The LAC for these pursuits is CMC, not Williams.