| Next time someone on this forum says that women value themselves too highly, I’d like to note that today, alone, some balding middle aged guy with a dad bod said he married a model and has high physical standards because of that and told us whether his dates were “modelesque.” Another off-handedly compared himself to the legend, Dave Grohl. |
Why in the world would you think a divorced or never married 40+ year old man has some superior qualities to the same-age men a late 20s woman could date? She wants someone optimistic, with potential, to build a life with. Not a someone 15 years older with kids and a divorce, or a commitmentphobe supposedly finally ready to start a family at 45. 45 year old guys trying to date 28 year olds are creepy, not paragons of emotional stability. |
Times have definitely changed. While it might not have been common when you were in your late 20s, the 2020s dating scene is different. Many younger men are disengaging from education or careers, which leaves younger women looking for maturity and stability—qualities that older men often have. It’s not about "sugar daddy fantasies," but about compatibility, emotional readiness, and life goals. Plenty of women today are open to dating older men who provide those things. Preferences shift with the times, and what might not have been your reality isn’t necessarily true now. |
Yeah show me the data dude
Meanwhile continue with your weird daddy fantasy that you somehow provide “maturity and stability” |
It's not about older men being "superior," but the reality is that many younger men are facing issues like lack of career direction and disengagement from education. A lot of younger women in their late 20s are looking for stability and maturity, which older men often provide. There's a growing "crisis of young men" where many aren't pursuing higher education or long-term careers, leaving them less prepared for serious relationships. So, it's not surprising that some younger women prefer older men who have already established themselves and offer emotional and financial stability. It’s not "creepy" when both people want the same things in a relationship—compatibility matters more than age. |
There’s actual data supporting the crisis among young men. The U.S. Department of Education reports that women now make up nearly 60% of college students, while men’s enrollment has dropped significantly. In addition, young men are increasingly disengaging from the workforce. A study by the Brookings Institution found that the labor force participation rate for men aged 25-34 has been declining for decades, with more young men either not working or stuck in low-wage jobs. Many are turning to video games and other forms of escapism instead of focusing on building careers. This trend impacts relationships too. As younger men struggle with financial and emotional stability, it’s no surprise that younger women seek older, established men who offer the stability that their peers often lack. |
Okay, I have a twenty-something niece with friends I'm close with, and she and her friends are not dating 40-something men. They are exclusively dating other twenty-something men. Times have not changed, and I am not special. Young women don't want old, divorced dads. Some of them may want your money. |
Actually, younger women are LESS likely to date middle aged men than they used to, because they're terminally online and obsessed with things like power imbalances, age gaps, and grooming. Women in their twenties won't even date men in their early 30s. They think a five year age gap is toxic and abusive. That is not to say that they won't spend time with older men for their money. These terminally online young women who pathologize everything are also materialistic, savvy and think sex work is empowering. Lurk on some women's online forums for awhile. It's all there. |
Fertility declines by 1% per year after 35, which is hardly anything. A 39 year old is pretty much as fertile as a 28 year old, on average. Contrast that to men, whose sperm quality declines RAPIDLY with age, which is why sperm banks will not accept donations from men over age 30 or sometimes even 25. Just biological reality, bro. |
There aren't any good men over the age of 40 who have never been married. If they're not married by 40, there are very good reasons for that. |
I think most 40-something divorced women want to date someone around the same age and with kids around the same age as their kids. If she's an empty nester, she doesn't want to date someone with a 5-year-old. Some 40-something divorced women prefer to date younger, and they certainly can, as many men, regardless of age, are down for casual relationships with reasonably attractive women. I don't know any divorced 40-something women willing to date much, much older, though none of my divorced friends in my circle are struggling financially and looking for a man to help them. If they were, they might seek older men for financial security. |
And if they are divorced, there are very good reasons for that, too. I think a never-married 40-year-old is infinitely better than a divorced dad, but 40-year-olds are just plain old for any woman under 35. |
Men’s sperm quality declines slowly compared to women’s fertility. Starting at age 30, sperm motility drops by about 1% per year, so by 40, it’s around 90%, and by 60, it’s still at 70%. Compare this to women, whose chances of conceiving drop from 20% in their late 20s to about 5% by age 40. Men remain fertile much longer, even with gradual sperm quality decline. |
I think some people are thinking 10 to 15 years younger. Personally I don't know a single 40 years woman dating a 25 years old man. I am sure they exist. I was 25 and single at one point in life and at that age I view any woman over 30.simply too old because I can get women in their 20s without much effort |
Ask any man in his 20s about MILF. Regardless of how you look, it's a fantasy to sleep with a MILF. I am sure you are fully aware that it's not the way you look but it's about your age being older a MiLF it's fetish territory. |