Trump tariffs: ruin U.S. economy until 2040

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Anonymous wrote:If you want products that are made that meet high environmental standards and treat workers well, you should support tarrifs.

Consuming dirty energy sources contributes to the climate crisis.

So why are you supporting more dirty energy in the US?

DP but a lot of what is called clean energy is actually bull$hit. Ever look up how they make those EV batteries? Did you know that EVs cause much more particulate pollution near roadways?

The new deal is nothing but a money grab. We cannot consume our way out of the climate and environmental crises. Instead, we need to simplify, consume less, and implement simple common sense approaches.

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Hey Maga voters - this is what you are voting for!

DCUM Trumpsters said they don’t like economists. It’s feelings over facts.

And they get their feelings from listening to Trump and sycophantic, lying talking heads and propagandists who withhold the facts from them.

Watch. They’ll watch Trump crash the economy again and call it fake news or the fault of the “Deep State”. I’m sure those posts are already ready to go.

No, they will just blame Democrats and Joe Biden.

They blame democrats for Trumps mishandling of COVID, so of course they will blame anything that goes wrong in the next term on democrats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you want products that are made that meet high environmental standards and treat workers well, you should support tarrifs.

Consuming dirty energy sources contributes to the climate crisis.

But Trump is a climate denier. China is desperate for him to win because we’ll have lost green energy forever. Then, who is controlling quality?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here.

Are there no Trump voters who can explain how Trump’s policies will improve the U.S. economy?

I’ll bite, even though I’m not sure I’m voting for Trump.

Honestly, I don’t know if the policies will improve the economy, at least in terms of its size and the size of our 401ks. But if Trump‘s policies lead to people buying less crap from Amazon, then that is a big win for the environment. If Trump’s policies result in people having to spend a higher percentage of their income on basic necessities, that’s also good for the environment.
It’s not fun to think about buying less gadgets and clothes, but shrinking the economy and producing more goods in the U.S. where we have labor and environmental standards might be good for the planet.

That’s a thoughtful response. Lower consumption and growth is definitely a valid policy position.

It strikes me though that assuming POTUS has a mandate for that economic direction, there are a lot of other pieces that needed to be managed.

- retaliatory tariffs from trading partners
- capital and labor to build manufacturing capacity for all the inputs we currently import (remembering we are at 3% unemployment now and Trump wants to deport 10-20 million immigrants and prevent anymore from entering) and who would provide the capital?
- time lag during which businesses would raise prices significantly on everything from necessities to things we probably could live without.
- autarky leads to a lower standard of living (see USSR) and Americans might be unhappy with that.

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If he wants people to buy American, maybe he shouldn’t have wreaked havoc on the manufacturing industry during his first term. Now he thinks he can force people to buy American by eliminating other options, ignoring the fact that America isn’t manufacturing much of anything?

Everyone will still buy from Amazon. But through stores in other countries…

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Anonymous wrote:If he wants people to buy American, maybe he shouldn’t have wreaked havoc on the manufacturing industry during his first term. Now he thinks he can force people to buy American by eliminating other options, ignoring the fact that America isn’t manufacturing much of anything?

Everyone will still buy from Amazon. But through stores in other countries…

Trump is a moron. Last time he destroyed the ag sector and had to give it huge taxpayer funded bailouts. He also oversaw the loss of hundreds of thousands of industrial jobs.

Now our economy is the envy of the world and there’s a bunch of dolts who want to vote for staggering inflation and debt. Unbelievable.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s just no world in which Trump was or would ever be better for the economy, and every time someone says so I understand that they think much like a child does - simplistically and repeating whatever they’ve been told.

Trump (and, honestly, probably Vance because it’s not like Donald is in good health) would be gangbusters for billionaires and corporations, but the rest of us would be buried in crap.

We already saw Donald crash the economy once due entirely to his own mistakes and the resulting pandemic. Before that we saw him cripple multiple industries with tariffs, and low information people think it would be better the second go round?

ITA.

But I think people are voting on vibes and they have been for a long time. This has been clear since the '80's - cutting taxes for the rich only makes the rich richer.

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Meanwhile 23 Nobel prize winners in economics say Harris will be vastly better for the economy than Trump. Read their letter.

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Is Harris proposing tariffs too?

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Anonymous wrote:Is Harris proposing tariffs too?

No she is not. Only the orange buffoon is.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 23 Nobel prize winners in economics say Harris will be vastly better for the economy than Trump. Read their letter.

There’s a whole cycle where Republicans do stupid things to the economy’s long term growth prospects and the Democrats walk it back and bear the burden of cutting the stupid policies that may have been politically popular in the short term

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Anonymous wrote:If you want products that are made that meet high environmental standards and treat workers well, you should support tarrifs.

Consuming dirty energy sources contributes to the climate crisis.

So why are you supporting more dirty energy in the US?

DP but a lot of what is called clean energy is actually bull$hit. Ever look up how they make those EV batteries? Did you know that EVs cause much more particulate pollution near roadways?

The new deal is nothing but a money grab. We cannot consume our way out of the climate and environmental crises. Instead, we need to simplify, consume less, and implement simple common sense approaches.

Unsurprisingly that’s not supported by data. There’s just one guy and his group saying that and there’s no proof that EVs are any dirtier than the average internal combustion car, all of which also release the same brake and tire dust (the Guardian article I linked that you won’t read says they do increase road wear and tear due to their higher weight though, I’ll give you that). https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2024/feb/26/electric-cars-air-pollution-problem-brakes-tyres

Actually since this thread is about tariffs and Republicans happily ignoring evidence, let’s go just a bit further on your tangent. You said “we need to simplify, consume less, and implement simple common sense approaches,” and I would take that to mean stuff like driving less, increasing fuel efficiency and building more densely. Those are three things that Republicans have resisted mightily and that elected Republicans have tried to defeat bills about.

There’s really nothing the Republican Party does that is to the benefit of anyone besides big business and billionaires.

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What we really need is an answer to this inflation, and Kamala has the answer: we need caps on the prices of groceries and other goods people simply need to live day to day.

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Elon admits that tariffs + deportations + slashing government to nothing are intended to purposely tank the U.S. economy: