USNWR Top 10 Leaked

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like a normal list. You are always going to get debates about the t10, t20, t50. All these schools are top notch.

+1 does anyone actually believe there are real quality distinctions between all these very wealthy private schools? These ranking debates are so pointless.

It’s like nobody understands how these rankings are done. US News acquires a pile of data and manipulates indicators and weights until they get results that align with what they want. (If some year the University of Scranton came out on top, they’d just pick new indicators, because clearly those are “wrong”). Then, voila!

Each year they adjust the weights/indicators to be excitingly different, but not TOO different. The idea that it represents meaningful difference, or even true educational quality, is ludicrous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid didn't let the list change his mind. If he had, he would have been at Hopkins this year. Hopkins would NOT have been a good fit. A parent is an alum and just nothing about Hopkins is this kid.

People that go solely by highest ranking are doing it wrong. Lots of mental health issues and bad fit because people don't do their due diligence in looking at type of fit/environment, etc.

And, yes, for some Hopkins is a great match. When you get up into the 20s it really doesn't matter points here and there.

Can you elaborate on this comment? What type of kid would not be a good fit for Hopkins? We are visiting soon, but I've heard great things so far and I don't know of anyone who has a current student there.

Not the PP, but parent of a recent grad and I get what PP was saying. It was a great match for my kid (a nerdy recruited athlete) but I can see where it would be a disaster for some kids. My kid is entirely self motivated and just rolled with things while focusing on the learning and sports. Had a great experience and well & gainfully employed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Embargoed means it still has time to change right? I think a more reasonable list would go:

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
3. Stanford
5. Yale
6. Caltech
6. Duke
8. Johns Hopkins
8. Northwestern
10. Penn

Well sheeit, if we're going to do that then I'd say:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
3. Cal Tech
5. Princeton
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
8. Yale
8. Penn
10. Brown

We found the Brown alum who was rejected by Northwestern !

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Embargoed means it still has time to change right? I think a more reasonable list would go:

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
3. Stanford
5. Yale
6. Caltech
6. Duke
8. Johns Hopkins
8. Northwestern
10. Penn

Well sheeit, if we're going to do that then I'd say:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
3. Cal Tech
5. Princeton
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
8. Yale
8. Penn
10. Brown

Pull out all the schools that are Test Optional. No Test Optional schools should be in the T10-T20 at all.

So bye-bye Hopkins, bye bye Duke: you have sunk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Embargoed means it still has time to change right? I think a more reasonable list would go:

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
3. Stanford
5. Yale
6. Caltech
6. Duke
8. Johns Hopkins
8. Northwestern
10. Penn

Well sheeit, if we're going to do that then I'd say:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
3. Cal Tech
5. Princeton
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
8. Yale
8. Penn
10. Brown

Pull out all the schools that are Test Optional. No Test Optional schools should be in the T10-T20 at all.

So bye-bye Hopkins, bye bye Duke: you have sunk.

+100 It's ridiculous to call any test optional school 'elite' at this point, especially with all of the numerous studies out there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid didn't let the list change his mind. If he had, he would have been at Hopkins this year. Hopkins would NOT have been a good fit. A parent is an alum and just nothing about Hopkins is this kid.

People that go solely by highest ranking are doing it wrong. Lots of mental health issues and bad fit because people don't do their due diligence in looking at type of fit/environment, etc.

And, yes, for some Hopkins is a great match. When you get up into the 20s it really doesn't matter points here and there.

Can you elaborate on this comment? What type of kid would not be a good fit for Hopkins? We are visiting soon, but I've heard great things so far and I don't know of anyone who has a current student there.

Go when the student body is there and walk around. See if the kid feels it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They have 4 schools at the rank of 6 because if there were 3, that would spell out 6-6-6 and then people would be afraid to apply to them.

Srsly, what kind of ranking system ends up with 4 6s in a Top 10. It's like they didn't get the assignment OR there's practically no difference in the education on offer.

There is practically no difference between #3 and #9, or #9 and #14, or #42 and #56. Obviously schools matter to some extent, but the student matters much more. A student who chooses classes well, works hard, and get involved in activities that interest them will get a much better education at a "mediocre" school than someone who just coasts by at a "top" school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They have 4 schools at the rank of 6 because if there were 3, that would spell out 6-6-6 and then people would be afraid to apply to them.

Srsly, what kind of ranking system ends up with 4 6s in a Top 10. It's like they didn't get the assignment OR there's practically no difference in the education on offer.

There is practically no difference between #3 and #9, or #9 and #14, or #42 and #56. Obviously schools matter to some extent, but the student matters much more. A student who chooses classes well, works hard, and get involved in activities that interest them will get a much better education at a "mediocre" school than someone who just coasts by at a "top" school.

There can be a significant 'culture' difference between a 3 and a 9 or 9 and 14. There are some schools known to have a depressed and highly cutthroat, non-collaborative environment.

So, yeah, outcomes won't be too different post college---but mental health and happiness may be!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Embargoed means it still has time to change right? I think a more reasonable list would go:

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
3. Stanford
5. Yale
6. Caltech
6. Duke
8. Johns Hopkins
8. Northwestern
10. Penn

I think an even more reasonable list might be:

1) Princeton
2) MIT
3) Harvard
3) Stanford
5) Yale
6) Chicago
6) Duke
6) Johns Hopkins
6) Northwestern
6) U Penn

CalTech is too tiny (fewer than 1,000 undergraduates) and too specialized to be ranked among universities handling a much larger and more diverse educational mission.

To me, it should be:

1) MIT
2) Stanford
3) Harvard
4) Princeton
5) Yale
6) Caltech
7) UPenn
8) Duke

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where’s UVA?

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Embargoed means it still has time to change right? I think a more reasonable list would go:

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
3. Stanford
5. Yale
6. Caltech
6. Duke
8. Johns Hopkins
8. Northwestern
10. Penn

Well sheeit, if we're going to do that then I'd say:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
3. Cal Tech
5. Princeton
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
8. Yale
8. Penn
10. Brown

Pull out all the schools that are Test Optional. No Test Optional schools should be in the T10-T20 at all.

So bye-bye Hopkins, bye bye Duke: you have sunk.

what are you talking about? hopkins already declared end to test optional starting next year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Embargoed means it still has time to change right? I think a more reasonable list would go:

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
3. Stanford
5. Yale
6. Caltech
6. Duke
8. Johns Hopkins
8. Northwestern
10. Penn

Well sheeit, if we're going to do that then I'd say:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
3. Cal Tech
5. Princeton
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
8. Yale
8. Penn
10. Brown

Pull out all the schools that are Test Optional. No Test Optional schools should be in the T10-T20 at all.

So bye-bye Hopkins, bye bye Duke: you have sunk.

what are you talking about? hopkins already declared end to test optional starting next year

also almost all the schools above are still test optional as of right now. dumb take

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They have 4 schools at the rank of 6 because if there were 3, that would spell out 6-6-6 and then people would be afraid to apply to them.

Srsly, what kind of ranking system ends up with 4 6s in a Top 10. It's like they didn't get the assignment OR there's practically no difference in the education on offer.

There is practically no difference between #3 and #9, or #9 and #14, or #42 and #56. Obviously schools matter to some extent, but the student matters much more. A student who chooses classes well, works hard, and get involved in activities that interest them will get a much better education at a "mediocre" school than someone who just coasts by at a "top" school.

There can be a significant 'culture' difference between a 3 and a 9 or 9 and 14. There are some schools known to have a depressed and highly cutthroat, non-collaborative environment.

So, yeah, outcomes won't be too different post college---but mental health and happiness may be!!

But nothing in ranking methodologies captures culture elements. Which is why rankings are pretty pointless.

[Anonymous]

most on here taking swipes didnt have said schools as an option anyways

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else think it is weird that Hopkins is tied with Caltech?

Why not Northwestern or Duke by that same token?

I mean Hopkins has humanities and is way more well rounded than Caltech

But it is no match for Caltech at what Caltech excels at