How do you think race actually impacts admissions now?

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Anonymous wrote:I think colleges are finding ways to consider it. I expect another lawsuit at some point. Once a school has to pay a real settlement, the practice will end

But are colleges now actually getting a count of the racial demographics of their admitted class? Are the new matriculants ever asked their race?

The Common App still includes the race and ethnicity checkboxes for this purpose. Colleges are required to report this information by the federal government. The checkboxes are not a data field included in admissions review of applicants.

You still don’t have to check it. My white kid didn’t last year.

He was in at several T10/20. I suspect the ruling helped some

Our HS counselor said leave all race boxes empty.

You don’t have to check any of them. I am interested to see if the “other” category grows because of the non-reporting,

My kid has a very Irish name, fairly obvious

I feel like most kids are leaving it blank.

How will colleges ever actually know who has matriculated? I feel like they won't unless someone literally goes through freshman ID photos and assigns race to pictures (just half joking).

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Anonymous wrote:DC is at a top lac, rising sophomore. People are already calling the ‘28 class the “white class,” because of how non-diverse the rising class is based off their class instagram and admitted student visits. Students do feel betrayed, because diversity is a massive student body interest and why people come to the school in the first place

Is it the white class or the Asian class? The "accepted student" Instagrams for every top school we've looked at seem OVERWHELMINGLY Asian and South Asian.
It's turning off my kid--not because he has ANYTHING against Asians but because he comes from a diverse high school and really wants diversity in college.

DP, but it would turn me off to but for different reasons. Not trying to offend Asian Americans, but in college, they were the coldest students, the most competitive and most lacking in collaboration if you weren’t Asian, and Asian men were the first I’d have to speak out against in lab classes for taking equipment out of women’s hands or disrespecting other students in lab, because they were women or students of color. I’m sure they’re the best students on paper, but they were a constant red flag in my science department for being massive douches to everyone else

wow, tell me you are stereotyping with not saying it directly. My white kid is at an ivy and has dozens of asian friends and they are not more competitive than anyone else. They are funny , creative, friendly, and brilliant. When I went to school for Engineering years ago we had many asians and few women and the women did sometimes suffer sterotypical male behavior but it was a variety of male races. I find your post quite narrow minded

Their perspective must have been primed for racism. If you run into someone who is non collaborative, most people blame the person. This PP blamed an entire RACE. And assumed others of the race are the same! It’s shocking. Maybe this gives that poster food for thought about how they interpret the actions and personalities of others.

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Anonymous wrote:I think colleges are finding ways to consider it. I expect another lawsuit at some point. Once a school has to pay a real settlement, the practice will end

But are colleges now actually getting a count of the racial demographics of their admitted class? Are the new matriculants ever asked their race?

The Common App still includes the race and ethnicity checkboxes for this purpose. Colleges are required to report this information by the federal government. The checkboxes are not a data field included in admissions review of applicants.

You still don’t have to check it. My white kid didn’t last year.

He was in at several T10/20. I suspect the ruling helped some

Our HS counselor said leave all race boxes empty.

You don’t have to check any of them. I am interested to see if the “other” category grows because of the non-reporting,

My kid has a very Irish name, fairly obvious

I feel like most kids are leaving it blank.

How will colleges ever actually know who has matriculated? I feel like they won't unless someone literally goes through freshman ID photos and assigns race to pictures (just half joking).

Maybe after they are admitted, they’re asked to provide demographic data

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Anonymous wrote:DC is at a top lac, rising sophomore. People are already calling the ‘28 class the “white class,” because of how non-diverse the rising class is based off their class instagram and admitted student visits. Students do feel betrayed, because diversity is a massive student body interest and why people come to the school in the first place

Is it the white class or the Asian class? The "accepted student" Instagrams for every top school we've looked at seem OVERWHELMINGLY Asian and South Asian.
It's turning off my kid--not because he has ANYTHING against Asians but because he comes from a diverse high school and really wants diversity in college.

DP, but it would turn me off to but for different reasons. Not trying to offend Asian Americans, but in college, they were the coldest students, the most competitive and most lacking in collaboration if you weren’t Asian, and Asian men were the first I’d have to speak out against in lab classes for taking equipment out of women’s hands or disrespecting other students in lab, because they were women or students of color. I’m sure they’re the best students on paper, but they were a constant red flag in my science department for being massive douches to everyone else

Substitute "Asian for "Black" and tell me if you think it's ok to write what you just wrote.

I’m Asian American. These traits are pretty run of the mill in terms of the cultures many of us are raised under. Being competitive comes with a culture that cares about education. I think there’s a lack of context, because we don’t know how many men/asian men are in this science department, but I’ve seen similar things. Replace Asian with men, and this is a perfectly acceptable rant on how men bulldoze women in academia- it’s time to stop treating race so special that we can’t have open conversations on it.

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Anonymous wrote:DC is at a top lac, rising sophomore. People are already calling the ‘28 class the “white class,” because of how non-diverse the rising class is based off their class instagram and admitted student visits. Students do feel betrayed, because diversity is a massive student body interest and why people come to the school in the first place

Is it the white class or the Asian class? The "accepted student" Instagrams for every top school we've looked at seem OVERWHELMINGLY Asian and South Asian.
It's turning off my kid--not because he has ANYTHING against Asians but because he comes from a diverse high school and really wants diversity in college.

DP, but it would turn me off to but for different reasons. Not trying to offend Asian Americans, but in college, they were the coldest students, the most competitive and most lacking in collaboration if you weren’t Asian, and Asian men were the first I’d have to speak out against in lab classes for taking equipment out of women’s hands or disrespecting other students in lab, because they were women or students of color. I’m sure they’re the best students on paper, but they were a constant red flag in my science department for being massive douches to everyone else

wow, tell me you are stereotyping with not saying it directly. My white kid is at an ivy and has dozens of asian friends and they are not more competitive than anyone else. They are funny , creative, friendly, and brilliant. When I went to school for Engineering years ago we had many asians and few women and the women did sometimes suffer sterotypical male behavior but it was a variety of male races. I find your post quite narrow minded

Their perspective must have been primed for racism. If you run into someone who is non collaborative, most people blame the person. This PP blamed an entire RACE. And assumed others of the race are the same! It’s shocking. Maybe this gives that poster food for thought about how they interpret the actions and personalities of others.

You don’t think demographics can have a play in academia at all? Is this a serious response or just a troll trying to out woke me

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:After going through it last year, with a biracial (wasian) kid with unusual (non stem) interests, I think being mixed race actually helped at some schools.

Did this applicant answer the race question? Even so, I thought the committee doesn't see that so how would they know?

Essays mentioned it.
Member of certain affinity groups in high school and an active member. Independent research project that touched on the topic as well.

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Anonymous wrote:DC is at a top lac, rising sophomore. People are already calling the ‘28 class the “white class,” because of how non-diverse the rising class is based off their class instagram and admitted student visits. Students do feel betrayed, because diversity is a massive student body interest and why people come to the school in the first place

Is it the white class or the Asian class? The "accepted student" Instagrams for every top school we've looked at seem OVERWHELMINGLY Asian and South Asian.
It's turning off my kid--not because he has ANYTHING against Asians but because he comes from a diverse high school and really wants diversity in college.

DP, but it would turn me off to but for different reasons. Not trying to offend Asian Americans, but in college, they were the coldest students, the most competitive and most lacking in collaboration if you weren’t Asian, and Asian men were the first I’d have to speak out against in lab classes for taking equipment out of women’s hands or disrespecting other students in lab, because they were women or students of color. I’m sure they’re the best students on paper, but they were a constant red flag in my science department for being massive douches to everyone else

wow, tell me you are stereotyping with not saying it directly. My white kid is at an ivy and has dozens of asian friends and they are not more competitive than anyone else. They are funny , creative, friendly, and brilliant. When I went to school for Engineering years ago we had many asians and few women and the women did sometimes suffer sterotypical male behavior but it was a variety of male races. I find your post quite narrow minded

Their perspective must have been primed for racism. If you run into someone who is non collaborative, most people blame the person. This PP blamed an entire RACE. And assumed others of the race are the same! It’s shocking. Maybe this gives that poster food for thought about how they interpret the actions and personalities of others.

More proof that Asians are the most persecuted race, while black and Hispanic students get admissions boosts for being inadequate, we get punished and are deemed “competitive” for being good students

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It helped my child, applying to second tier SLACs, to be Asian American. One school literally offered her a plane ticket to campus to attend the minority dinner with the dean offered the night before Admitted Students Day.

Yes the big secret is that many SLACs want Asian kids (full pay too).

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Every selective college wants a racially diverse class - as they should. But every college is going to have its own tipping point. The colleges that really prioritize talent - MIT, CalTech, Georgia Tech, Berkeley, Rice, UCLA, Stanford, Duke - are going to have more Asian students compared to the national average. And some schools are not, because they prioritize racial diversity over talent. You can look at the breakdown for each college. It's pretty interesting. But I think generally, colleges are looking at the racial demographics of 18 year olds in America today and figure that if the accepted students more or less match those numbers, they're good and out of the spotlight. That thinking works well for Black and Hispanic students; less well for white and Asian students. But it's going to be school dependent.

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Anonymous wrote:I had an AA senior last year, and one who graduated 3 years ago. They had roughly the same stats (1550 SAT, lots of APs, close to 4.0 UW; extracurriculars were similar, essays seemed similar to my untrained eye). Last year's senior was clearly identifiable as AA (through some AA-related awards.) The two kids' admissions experiences were very, very different. You never, know-- it could just be random/luck of the draw. But from my perspective, there wasn't a good explanation for the difference.

Also, our HS had many more Asian Ivy admits than previous years, and the AA students didn't fare nearly as well as prior years.

Opposite at dc’s school. Black students did the same as usual. Asian Ivy acceptance fell disastrously.

Which ivies though.

Some care about URM/race more than others - esp coming from east coast privates - bc they need that diversity while others have different pockets/ability to access diverse local pools.

The biggest drop was from Princeton and Harvard. Columbia had a slight gain in black students, while other ivies had the same black acceptances. Asian students climbed a little at Brown, but every other college accepted fewer than the past 5 years

how in the world do you know this? It's not been published anywhere that I can find.

Comparing naviances and past graduation pages to current graduation college page (fully complete). Historically this was the schools worst year for Asian students, but best year for everyone else.

This is true for our private. But
biracial half Asian students did much better than full Asian students with better stats.

Though I think there is some correlation between majors. Asians, who are traditional, stem applicants tend to do the worst.

And white students did the very best.

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Anonymous wrote:It helped my child, applying to second tier SLACs, to be Asian American. One school literally offered her a plane ticket to campus to attend the minority dinner with the dean offered the night before Admitted Students Day.

Yes the big secret is that many SLACs want Asian kids (full pay too).

People are finally realizing that you can get a STEM degree from an SLAC, which has boosted application numbers. Almost every top lac has a very nice new Science center, heavy investment into summer research programs bent towards STEM, and a growing majority of their classes being STEM majors. It’s a puzzling transformation

[Anonymous]

I don’t know about undergrad, but it sure seems like med schools are still using affirmative action.

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Anonymous wrote:I think colleges are finding ways to consider it. I expect another lawsuit at some point. Once a school has to pay a real settlement, the practice will end

But are colleges now actually getting a count of the racial demographics of their admitted class? Are the new matriculants ever asked their race?

The Common App still includes the race and ethnicity checkboxes for this purpose. Colleges are required to report this information by the federal government. The checkboxes are not a data field included in admissions review of applicants.

You still don’t have to check it. My white kid didn’t last year.

He was in at several T10/20. I suspect the ruling helped some

Our HS counselor said leave all race boxes empty.

You don’t have to check any of them. I am interested to see if the “other” category grows because of the non-reporting,

My kid has a very Irish name, fairly obvious

I feel like most kids are leaving it blank.

How will colleges ever actually know who has matriculated? I feel like they won't unless someone literally goes through freshman ID photos and assigns race to pictures (just half joking).

According to the Common App report for last year's admission cycle the majority reported race (no difference statistically); however, there was a small uptick in other/no-answer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know about undergrad, but it sure seems like med schools are still using affirmative action.

Med schools are a whole different world. I will say that having a black doctor can be life or death for black mothers. We also need rural doctors so AA for rural students, especially at UC Davis, is important. Medicine is a bit different, because it’s professional school that serves the public in important ways. Many of these top schools are finishing schools for consulting firms

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It’s disgusting that anyone cares if the Ivy League is 100% Asian- bring in the best candidates! Diversity = Mediocrity and should not be considered for admission to a top college. Anyone who says otherwise is a racist.