How do you think race actually impacts admissions now?

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges are following the ruling. They do not want to face negative repercussions.

How do you know this?

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt at all that applicants are doing whatever it takes to signal that they are URMs and that colleges are paying attention to this.

Colleges that have spent decades eagerly recruiting URMs are not just going to stop and go "race blind" just because the court says they have to.

+100 it remains extremely important, and admissions departments have made public statements that racial diversity and equity in admissions is a priority. Many have video submissions, and of course it is allowed and accepted to write about one's background and admissions can choose based on background

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Anonymous wrote:After going through it last year, with a biracial (wasian) kid with unusual (non stem) interests, I think being mixed race actually helped at some schools.

Did this applicant answer the race question? Even so, I thought the committee doesn't see that so how would they know?

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It helped my child, applying to second tier SLACs, to be Asian American. One school literally offered her a plane ticket to campus to attend the minority dinner with the dean offered the night before Admitted Students Day.

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges are following the ruling. They do not want to face negative repercussions.

How do you know this?

DP. What’s the benefit to them for ignoring the ruling? They are liable to more law suits and more media scrutiny. Pretty much every college’s strategic plan mentions that public perception of higher Ed is at an all time low, and these schools are walking eggshells to not cause more disruption post-Palestine protests.

I don’t think admissions offices hate Asian students THAT much

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges look to a students’ extracurriculars and their essays to determine race, and then they look at the transcript to determine if said student can do the work.

Apparently this is against the law, but this past admission cycle I saw it in action. I know of one student in particular who got admitted into two of the hardest schools in the country (non ivies) with a transcript that was shockingly weak, relying on online schools and easy DE classes to secure a 4.0. It worked!

Eh I know an Indian girl who did online school and a few women in computing groups that got her into MIT. Online school is a big advantage

Are schools weary of students who game the system this way? It seems not, but it’s such an obvious ploy to get an easy A.

They’re completely unaware. One massive red flag zone is Las Vegas (massive online education system integrated with public schools so students can take aps off campus, but there’s a ton of cheating)

The proliferation of these programs is extremely problematic. I am surprised that universities have so many expectations of applicants (unique extra curriculars, national awards, leadership posts, evidence of community impact), and yet somehow these mysterious online programs that are never vetted pass muster.

Why? Same with DE classes. Meanwhile, high schools have completely relaxed their policies so students can take these classes during the year or summer and earn full credit. It’s craziness.

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Anonymous wrote:It helped my child, applying to second tier SLACs, to be Asian American. One school literally offered her a plane ticket to campus to attend the minority dinner with the dean offered the night before Admitted Students Day.

SLACs outside of the west coast are always looking for more Asian representation, especially in the humanities. That’s a great opportunity for your DC though!

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Anonymous wrote:DC is at a top lac, rising sophomore. People are already calling the ‘28 class the “white class,” because of how non-diverse the rising class is based off their class instagram and admitted student visits. Students do feel betrayed, because diversity is a massive student body interest and why people come to the school in the first place

Is it the white class or the Asian class? The "accepted student" Instagrams for every top school we've looked at seem OVERWHELMINGLY Asian and South Asian.
It's turning off my kid--not because he has ANYTHING against Asians but because he comes from a diverse high school and really wants diversity in college.

DP, but it would turn me off to but for different reasons. Not trying to offend Asian Americans, but in college, they were the coldest students, the most competitive and most lacking in collaboration if you weren’t Asian, and Asian men were the first I’d have to speak out against in lab classes for taking equipment out of women’s hands or disrespecting other students in lab, because they were women or students of color. I’m sure they’re the best students on paper, but they were a constant red flag in my science department for being massive douches to everyone else

Substitute "Asian for "Black" and tell me if you think it's ok to write what you just wrote.

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Anonymous wrote:It helped my child, applying to second tier SLACs, to be Asian American. One school literally offered her a plane ticket to campus to attend the minority dinner with the dean offered the night before Admitted Students Day.

What school??

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Anonymous wrote:DC is at a top lac, rising sophomore. People are already calling the ‘28 class the “white class,” because of how non-diverse the rising class is based off their class instagram and admitted student visits. Students do feel betrayed, because diversity is a massive student body interest and why people come to the school in the first place

Is it the white class or the Asian class? The "accepted student" Instagrams for every top school we've looked at seem OVERWHELMINGLY Asian and South Asian.
It's turning off my kid--not because he has ANYTHING against Asians but because he comes from a diverse high school and really wants diversity in college.

DP, but it would turn me off to but for different reasons. Not trying to offend Asian Americans, but in college, they were the coldest students, the most competitive and most lacking in collaboration if you weren’t Asian, and Asian men were the first I’d have to speak out against in lab classes for taking equipment out of women’s hands or disrespecting other students in lab, because they were women or students of color. I’m sure they’re the best students on paper, but they were a constant red flag in my science department for being massive douches to everyone else

wow, tell me you are stereotyping with not saying it directly. My white kid is at an ivy and has dozens of asian friends and they are not more competitive than anyone else. They are funny , creative, friendly, and brilliant. When I went to school for Engineering years ago we had many asians and few women and the women did sometimes suffer sterotypical male behavior but it was a variety of male races. I find your post quite narrow minded

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Anonymous wrote:I had an AA senior last year, and one who graduated 3 years ago. They had roughly the same stats (1550 SAT, lots of APs, close to 4.0 UW; extracurriculars were similar, essays seemed similar to my untrained eye). Last year's senior was clearly identifiable as AA (through some AA-related awards.) The two kids' admissions experiences were very, very different. You never, know-- it could just be random/luck of the draw. But from my perspective, there wasn't a good explanation for the difference.

Also, our HS had many more Asian Ivy admits than previous years, and the AA students didn't fare nearly as well as prior years.

How so? Better or worse this year?

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OP here.
PLEASE just ignore that poster who wrote about their experience with Asians in labs.

I think we're otherwise having a productive conversation. Let's not derail this thread!

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Anonymous wrote:DC is at a top lac, rising sophomore. People are already calling the ‘28 class the “white class,” because of how non-diverse the rising class is based off their class instagram and admitted student visits. Students do feel betrayed, because diversity is a massive student body interest and why people come to the school in the first place

Is it the white class or the Asian class? The "accepted student" Instagrams for every top school we've looked at seem OVERWHELMINGLY Asian and South Asian.
It's turning off my kid--not because he has ANYTHING against Asians but because he comes from a diverse high school and really wants diversity in college.

DP, but it would turn me off to but for different reasons. Not trying to offend Asian Americans, but in college, they were the coldest students, the most competitive and most lacking in collaboration if you weren’t Asian, and Asian men were the first I’d have to speak out against in lab classes for taking equipment out of women’s hands or disrespecting other students in lab, because they were women or students of color. I’m sure they’re the best students on paper, but they were a constant red flag in my science department for being massive douches to everyone else

wow, tell me you are stereotyping with not saying it directly. My white kid is at an ivy and has dozens of asian friends and they are not more competitive than anyone else. They are funny , creative, friendly, and brilliant. When I went to school for Engineering years ago we had many asians and few women and the women did sometimes suffer sterotypical male behavior but it was a variety of male races. I find your post quite narrow minded

It’s not stereotyping to say a pattern I noticed often. There were also sweet Asian students and creative ones- no one doubted their creativity, funniness or brilliance, not sure why this has to be said. I’m glad you white male child had a great time at an Ivy, you shouldn’t expect much turbulence.

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Anonymous wrote:DC is at a top lac, rising sophomore. People are already calling the ‘28 class the “white class,” because of how non-diverse the rising class is based off their class instagram and admitted student visits. Students do feel betrayed, because diversity is a massive student body interest and why people come to the school in the first place

Is it the white class or the Asian class? The "accepted student" Instagrams for every top school we've looked at seem OVERWHELMINGLY Asian and South Asian.
It's turning off my kid--not because he has ANYTHING against Asians but because he comes from a diverse high school and really wants diversity in college.

DP, but it would turn me off to but for different reasons. Not trying to offend Asian Americans, but in college, they were the coldest students, the most competitive and most lacking in collaboration if you weren’t Asian, and Asian men were the first I’d have to speak out against in lab classes for taking equipment out of women’s hands or disrespecting other students in lab, because they were women or students of color. I’m sure they’re the best students on paper, but they were a constant red flag in my science department for being massive douches to everyone else

Substitute "Asian for "Black" and tell me if you think it's ok to write what you just wrote.

I do. People who are afraid to talk about race are the issue. Good try on the “gotcha” though

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Anonymous wrote:I think colleges are finding ways to consider it. I expect another lawsuit at some point. Once a school has to pay a real settlement, the practice will end

But are colleges now actually getting a count of the racial demographics of their admitted class? Are the new matriculants ever asked their race?

The Common App still includes the race and ethnicity checkboxes for this purpose. Colleges are required to report this information by the federal government. The checkboxes are not a data field included in admissions review of applicants.

You still don’t have to check it. My white kid didn’t last year.

He was in at several T10/20. I suspect the ruling helped some

Our HS counselor said leave all race boxes empty.

You don’t have to check any of them. I am interested to see if the “other” category grows because of the non-reporting,

My kid has a very Irish name, fairly obvious