Angie Harmon's dog shot and killed by Instacart shopper

[Anonymous]

I’m reading suspended as temporary/not final but maybe that’s not what they mean by it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think anyone who shoots a little dog not actually physically on them rather than just go back to their car is deranged and is going to shoot someone eventually. The man was delivering illegally, carrying a loaded weapon to people's homes? Noooo. I keep my dog inside but there is one person more in the wrong here, and that's trigger-happy weirdo.

Finally a sensible person.

Yes, I think people should contain and control their dogs. Yes, I think Angie Harmon was a bad dog owner. But to act like going straight to SHOOTING a dog because you feel threatened is a justified action is sick.

Per Angie's version of the story there was no wound on the delivery guy. [b]Shoot a dog if you need to get it to let go of your leg. But shooting a dog because it barked aggressively at you and got close to you? Come on people, this is not reasonable.[/b]

You think shooting at your leg or foot is reasonable? Nope. You are not required to be injured before you act in self-defense. You do not need to allow a guy to punch you before defending yourself and you don't need to allow a dog to bite you before defending yourself.

The DOJ estimates that police shoot 10,000 pet dogs annually in the line of duty. The number is really just a guess because police departments don't track these deaths any better than they do the killings of human citizens they engage in - it is very likely a far higher number, I found one article online asserting that experts suggest the number could reach six figures.

Police don't wait to be bitten to shoot and kill a pet dog. When a dog runs at them, as a dog in a yard will do when a stranger enters its space (dogs are by nature and desire territorial), the majority of police will just shoot it, straight out.

But those killings are probably okay with poster because the owners aren't glamorous actors and probably engaged in some kind of thuggery or the police wouldn't even be there, right? (Never mind that there are documented cases of police entering the wrong property to serve warrants and executing pet dogs who were present.)

How much mauling is the person supposed to endure before engaging in defense of self?

We are talking about a SCHEDULED DELIVERY and a dog owner who left the dog outside, unsupervised and unsecured, during the time of the scheduled delivery. Because her dog is a sweetheart and would never hurt anyone - same thing we hear from every clueless dog owner in the aftermath of both lethal and nonlethal maulings.

[Anonymous]

The dog was on his owner’s property. Where is the obligation to leave before shooting if the dog isn’t in physical contact with you? It’s not the same as a police situation where the police are entering a potentially volatile and violent situation, it just isn’t.

Can you shoot if the dog growls? How about if he approaches to sniff? What is the obligation of the visitor?

Not saying this guy should be prosecuted without evidence, but the idea that you can just shoot a dog because you are invited onto the property isn’t justifiable either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think anyone who shoots a little dog not actually physically on them rather than just go back to their car is deranged and is going to shoot someone eventually. The man was delivering illegally, carrying a loaded weapon to people's homes? Noooo. I keep my dog inside but there is one person more in the wrong here, and that's trigger-happy weirdo.

Finally a sensible person.

Yes, I think people should contain and control their dogs. Yes, I think Angie Harmon was a bad dog owner. But to act like going straight to SHOOTING a dog because you feel threatened is a justified action is sick.

Per Angie's version of the story there was no wound on the delivery guy. [b]Shoot a dog if you need to get it to let go of your leg. But shooting a dog because it barked aggressively at you and got close to you? Come on people, this is not reasonable.[/b]

You think shooting at your leg or foot is reasonable? Nope. You are not required to be injured before you act in self-defense. You do not need to allow a guy to punch you before defending yourself and you don't need to allow a dog to bite you before defending yourself.

The DOJ estimates that police shoot 10,000 pet dogs annually in the line of duty. The number is really just a guess because police departments don't track these deaths any better than they do the killings of human citizens they engage in - it is very likely a far higher number, I found one article online asserting that experts suggest the number could reach six figures.

Police don't wait to be bitten to shoot and kill a pet dog. When a dog runs at them, as a dog in a yard will do when a stranger enters its space (dogs are by nature and desire territorial), the majority of police will just shoot it, straight out.

But those killings are probably okay with poster because the owners aren't glamorous actors and probably engaged in some kind of thuggery or the police wouldn't even be there, right? (Never mind that there are documented cases of police entering the wrong property to serve warrants and executing pet dogs who were present.)

How much mauling is the person supposed to endure before engaging in defense of self?

We are talking about a SCHEDULED DELIVERY and a dog owner who left the dog outside, unsupervised and unsecured, during the time of the scheduled delivery. Because her dog is a sweetheart and would never hurt anyone - same thing we hear from every clueless dog owner in the aftermath of both lethal and nonlethal maulings.

There was no mauling in this case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hate untrained dogs. But shooting the animal is pretty extreme. Carrying pepper spray or a baton would seem to be a better option.

But yes, if you have an untrained dog that will jump happily or get aggressive with strangers, don't let it run around loose when you are expecting a delivery! Also, train your dogs to have better manners and know how to heel and get called off.

Please, enter a property with pit bulls present and let us know how baton and pepper spray work out for you.

Pit bulls were bred for thousands of doggy generations to be nearly impervious to pain - they will hang on to the death in a fight against a bull, a person, another dog, etc. Pepper spray is very likely to make them angrier and more lethal, but not very likely to make them whine and run away.

I used to live in Montana and engaged in back country hiking. Everyone with any common sense knew that carrying bear spray was only any good if you carried two cans, and a gun to boot. The bear (pepper) spray might make a grizzly back off initially, but they are very likely to come back more enraged and ready to kill.

Bullets are far more efficient than capsaicin spray or sticks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well the insta cart shopper has been fired. So the dog owner has her "justice".

He should sue for unlawful termination. All he did was defend himself in a dangerous situation. If the authorities found no cause to press charges, there is no justification for terminating him.

He was not legally authorized to work for Instacart, took on (bought, stole?) another person's account. People do this to bypass background checks because they would not qualify otherwise. The biggest takeaway from this story is these delivery drivers are actually not vetted and not safe. Get your own food!

Lyft, Uber, Doordash, and Instacart would likely collapse if they were forced to strictly police the accounts being used by undocumented workers or those who could not pass a background check. The problem really is that widespread. These companies are run on illegal labor, often under coercive labor conditions or some form of the "sharecropping" model.

Now I'm really curious how UberTeen is supposed to operate. Apparently they are subject to a deeper background check. These gig work companies could do facial recognition for workers during the shift to ensure its actually the person who is registered. It's really only a matter of time before there's a horrifically violent incident

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think anyone who shoots a little dog not actually physically on them rather than just go back to their car is deranged and is going to shoot someone eventually. The man was delivering illegally, carrying a loaded weapon to people's homes? Noooo. I keep my dog inside but there is one person more in the wrong here, and that's trigger-happy weirdo.

Finally a sensible person.

Yes, I think people should contain and control their dogs. Yes, I think Angie Harmon was a bad dog owner. But to act like going straight to SHOOTING a dog because you feel threatened is a justified action is sick.

Per Angie's version of the story there was no wound on the delivery guy. [b]Shoot a dog if you need to get it to let go of your leg. But shooting a dog because it barked aggressively at you and got close to you? Come on people, this is not reasonable.[/b]

You think shooting at your leg or foot is reasonable? Nope. You are not required to be injured before you act in self-defense. You do not need to allow a guy to punch you before defending yourself and you don't need to allow a dog to bite you before defending yourself.

The DOJ estimates that police shoot 10,000 pet dogs annually in the line of duty. The number is really just a guess because police departments don't track these deaths any better than they do the killings of human citizens they engage in - it is very likely a far higher number, I found one article online asserting that experts suggest the number could reach six figures.

Police don't wait to be bitten to shoot and kill a pet dog. When a dog runs at them, as a dog in a yard will do when a stranger enters its space (dogs are by nature and desire territorial), the majority of police will just shoot it, straight out.

But those killings are probably okay with poster because the owners aren't glamorous actors and probably engaged in some kind of thuggery or the police wouldn't even be there, right? (Never mind that there are documented cases of police entering the wrong property to serve warrants and executing pet dogs who were present.)

How much mauling is the person supposed to endure before engaging in defense of self?

We are talking about a SCHEDULED DELIVERY and a dog owner who left the dog outside, unsupervised and unsecured, during the time of the scheduled delivery. Because her dog is a sweetheart and would never hurt anyone - same thing we hear from every clueless dog owner in the aftermath of both lethal and nonlethal maulings.

There was no mauling in this case.

Are you thick?

Police don't wait to be mauled to shoot a charging dog, they shoot at the threat in self defense - just like this driver did.

There is no duty to be mauled before engaging in self defense. Dog owners have a duty to secure their dogs, both in public spaces with leashes, and on their own property when they have INVITED A GUEST on the property.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate untrained dogs. But shooting the animal is pretty extreme. Carrying pepper spray or a baton would seem to be a better option.

But yes, if you have an untrained dog that will jump happily or get aggressive with strangers, don't let it run around loose when you are expecting a delivery! Also, train your dogs to have better manners and know how to heel and get called off.

Please, enter a property with pit bulls present and let us know how baton and pepper spray work out for you.

Pit bulls were bred for thousands of doggy generations to be nearly impervious to pain - they will hang on to the death in a fight against a bull, a person, another dog, etc. Pepper spray is very likely to make them angrier and more lethal, but not very likely to make them whine and run away.

I used to live in Montana and engaged in back country hiking. Everyone with any common sense knew that carrying bear spray was only any good if you carried two cans, and a gun to boot. The bear (pepper) spray might make a grizzly back off initially, but they are very likely to come back more enraged and ready to kill.

Bullets are far more efficient than capsaicin spray or sticks.

This person wasn't hiking in Montana, they were delivering food to a rich neighborhood in NC.

I feel like pepper spray would work for all but the VERY most aggressive pit bulls in this DoorDash delivery, dog attack situation.

But thanks for the backwoods hiking tips?

[Anonymous]

Angie’s dog looks like a German retriever/something small mix not a pit bull.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think anyone who shoots a little dog not actually physically on them rather than just go back to their car is deranged and is going to shoot someone eventually. The man was delivering illegally, carrying a loaded weapon to people's homes? Noooo. I keep my dog inside but there is one person more in the wrong here, and that's trigger-happy weirdo.

Finally a sensible person.

Yes, I think people should contain and control their dogs. Yes, I think Angie Harmon was a bad dog owner. But to act like going straight to SHOOTING a dog because you feel threatened is a justified action is sick.

Per Angie's version of the story there was no wound on the delivery guy. [b]Shoot a dog if you need to get it to let go of your leg. But shooting a dog because it barked aggressively at you and got close to you? Come on people, this is not reasonable.[/b]

You think shooting at your leg or foot is reasonable? Nope. You are not required to be injured before you act in self-defense. You do not need to allow a guy to punch you before defending yourself and you don't need to allow a dog to bite you before defending yourself.

The DOJ estimates that police shoot 10,000 pet dogs annually in the line of duty. The number is really just a guess because police departments don't track these deaths any better than they do the killings of human citizens they engage in - it is very likely a far higher number, I found one article online asserting that experts suggest the number could reach six figures.

Police don't wait to be bitten to shoot and kill a pet dog. When a dog runs at them, as a dog in a yard will do when a stranger enters its space (dogs are by nature and desire territorial), the majority of police will just shoot it, straight out.

But those killings are probably okay with poster because the owners aren't glamorous actors and probably engaged in some kind of thuggery or the police wouldn't even be there, right? (Never mind that there are documented cases of police entering the wrong property to serve warrants and executing pet dogs who were present.)

How much mauling is the person supposed to endure before engaging in defense of self?

We are talking about a SCHEDULED DELIVERY and a dog owner who left the dog outside, unsupervised and unsecured, during the time of the scheduled delivery. Because her dog is a sweetheart and would never hurt anyone - same thing we hear from every clueless dog owner in the aftermath of both lethal and nonlethal maulings.

There was no mauling in this case.

Right. Because the dog was shot dead. They can't maul if they are dead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think anyone who shoots a little dog not actually physically on them rather than just go back to their car is deranged and is going to shoot someone eventually. The man was delivering illegally, carrying a loaded weapon to people's homes? Noooo. I keep my dog inside but there is one person more in the wrong here, and that's trigger-happy weirdo.

Finally a sensible person.

Yes, I think people should contain and control their dogs. Yes, I think Angie Harmon was a bad dog owner. But to act like going straight to SHOOTING a dog because you feel threatened is a justified action is sick.

Per Angie's version of the story there was no wound on the delivery guy. [b]Shoot a dog if you need to get it to let go of your leg. But shooting a dog because it barked aggressively at you and got close to you? Come on people, this is not reasonable.[/b]

You think shooting at your leg or foot is reasonable? Nope. You are not required to be injured before you act in self-defense. You do not need to allow a guy to punch you before defending yourself and you don't need to allow a dog to bite you before defending yourself.

The DOJ estimates that police shoot 10,000 pet dogs annually in the line of duty. The number is really just a guess because police departments don't track these deaths any better than they do the killings of human citizens they engage in - it is very likely a far higher number, I found one article online asserting that experts suggest the number could reach six figures.

Police don't wait to be bitten to shoot and kill a pet dog. When a dog runs at them, as a dog in a yard will do when a stranger enters its space (dogs are by nature and desire territorial), the majority of police will just shoot it, straight out.

But those killings are probably okay with poster because the owners aren't glamorous actors and probably engaged in some kind of thuggery or the police wouldn't even be there, right? (Never mind that there are documented cases of police entering the wrong property to serve warrants and executing pet dogs who were present.)

How much mauling is the person supposed to endure before engaging in defense of self?

We are talking about a SCHEDULED DELIVERY and a dog owner who left the dog outside, unsupervised and unsecured, during the time of the scheduled delivery. Because her dog is a sweetheart and would never hurt anyone - same thing we hear from every clueless dog owner in the aftermath of both lethal and nonlethal maulings.

There was no mauling in this case.

What? You think someone needs to be mauled before they're allowed to defend themselves?

I've been bit by a dog. I will not wait for that to happen again before acting. If your dog is lunging at/towards me, that's enough to act.

If you're bothered by that, it's a good thing that training and properly restraining your dog can prevent this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think anyone who shoots a little dog not actually physically on them rather than just go back to their car is deranged and is going to shoot someone eventually. The man was delivering illegally, carrying a loaded weapon to people's homes? Noooo. I keep my dog inside but there is one person more in the wrong here, and that's trigger-happy weirdo.

Finally a sensible person.

Yes, I think people should contain and control their dogs. Yes, I think Angie Harmon was a bad dog owner. But to act like going straight to SHOOTING a dog because you feel threatened is a justified action is sick.

Per Angie's version of the story there was no wound on the delivery guy. [b]Shoot a dog if you need to get it to let go of your leg. But shooting a dog because it barked aggressively at you and got close to you? Come on people, this is not reasonable.[/b]

You think shooting at your leg or foot is reasonable? Nope. You are not required to be injured before you act in self-defense. You do not need to allow a guy to punch you before defending yourself and you don't need to allow a dog to bite you before defending yourself.

The DOJ estimates that police shoot 10,000 pet dogs annually in the line of duty. The number is really just a guess because police departments don't track these deaths any better than they do the killings of human citizens they engage in - it is very likely a far higher number, I found one article online asserting that experts suggest the number could reach six figures.

Police don't wait to be bitten to shoot and kill a pet dog. When a dog runs at them, as a dog in a yard will do when a stranger enters its space (dogs are by nature and desire territorial), the majority of police will just shoot it, straight out.

But those killings are probably okay with poster because the owners aren't glamorous actors and probably engaged in some kind of thuggery or the police wouldn't even be there, right? (Never mind that there are documented cases of police entering the wrong property to serve warrants and executing pet dogs who were present.)

How much mauling is the person supposed to endure before engaging in defense of self?

We are talking about a SCHEDULED DELIVERY and a dog owner who left the dog outside, unsupervised and unsecured, during the time of the scheduled delivery. Because her dog is a sweetheart and would never hurt anyone - same thing we hear from every clueless dog owner in the aftermath of both lethal and nonlethal maulings.

There was no mauling in this case.

Are you thick?

Police don't wait to be mauled to shoot a charging dog, they shoot at the threat in self defense - just like this driver did.

There is no duty to be mauled before engaging in self defense. Dog owners have a duty to secure their dogs, both in public spaces with leashes, and on their own property when they have INVITED A GUEST on the property.

I’m not thick at all. You are comparing maulings and police shootings of dogs in high pressure situations to what happened here - a family dog, an invited delivery guy, and no physical contact.

[Anonymous]

I think the incident was caught on video but it implicates her / the dog so she destroyed it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think anyone who shoots a little dog not actually physically on them rather than just go back to their car is deranged and is going to shoot someone eventually. The man was delivering illegally, carrying a loaded weapon to people's homes? Noooo. I keep my dog inside but there is one person more in the wrong here, and that's trigger-happy weirdo.

Finally a sensible person.

Yes, I think people should contain and control their dogs. Yes, I think Angie Harmon was a bad dog owner. But to act like going straight to SHOOTING a dog because you feel threatened is a justified action is sick.

Per Angie's version of the story there was no wound on the delivery guy. [b]Shoot a dog if you need to get it to let go of your leg. But shooting a dog because it barked aggressively at you and got close to you? Come on people, this is not reasonable.[/b]

You think shooting at your leg or foot is reasonable? Nope. You are not required to be injured before you act in self-defense. You do not need to allow a guy to punch you before defending yourself and you don't need to allow a dog to bite you before defending yourself.

The DOJ estimates that police shoot 10,000 pet dogs annually in the line of duty. The number is really just a guess because police departments don't track these deaths any better than they do the killings of human citizens they engage in - it is very likely a far higher number, I found one article online asserting that experts suggest the number could reach six figures.

Police don't wait to be bitten to shoot and kill a pet dog. When a dog runs at them, as a dog in a yard will do when a stranger enters its space (dogs are by nature and desire territorial), the majority of police will just shoot it, straight out.

But those killings are probably okay with poster because the owners aren't glamorous actors and probably engaged in some kind of thuggery or the police wouldn't even be there, right? (Never mind that there are documented cases of police entering the wrong property to serve warrants and executing pet dogs who were present.)

How much mauling is the person supposed to endure before engaging in defense of self?

We are talking about a SCHEDULED DELIVERY and a dog owner who left the dog outside, unsupervised and unsecured, during the time of the scheduled delivery. Because her dog is a sweetheart and would never hurt anyone - same thing we hear from every clueless dog owner in the aftermath of both lethal and nonlethal maulings.

There was no mauling in this case.

Are you thick?

Police don't wait to be mauled to shoot a charging dog, they shoot at the threat in self defense - just like this driver did.

There is no duty to be mauled before engaging in self defense. Dog owners have a duty to secure their dogs, both in public spaces with leashes, and on their own property when they have INVITED A GUEST on the property.

I’m not thick at all. You are comparing maulings and police shootings of dogs in high pressure situations to what happened here - a family dog, an invited delivery guy, and no physical contact.

No, you have reading comprehension issues. I clearly stated:

Police don't wait to be bitten to shoot and kill a pet dog. When a dog runs at them, as a dog in a yard will do when a stranger enters its space (dogs are by nature and desire territorial), the majority of police will just shoot it, straight out.

Police kill pet dogs in many situations, by no means are all of them high stress SWAT type interactions.

It is foolish to leave a dog unattended and loose, even if your own yard - ESPECIALLY when you KNOW a visitor/stranger is scheduled to come into your yard.

Clearly there are many people here who just don't want to acknowledge that this was poor stewardship of the dog and they are probably people who engage in the same poor stewardship and want to have no accountability for it.

I feel sorry for Angie's dogs, and anyone else who does the same thing and would blame someone else for reacting in self defense to a charging dog.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate untrained dogs. But shooting the animal is pretty extreme. Carrying pepper spray or a baton would seem to be a better option.

But yes, if you have an untrained dog that will jump happily or get aggressive with strangers, don't let it run around loose when you are expecting a delivery! Also, train your dogs to have better manners and know how to heel and get called off.

Please, enter a property with pit bulls present and let us know how baton and pepper spray work out for you.

Pit bulls were bred for thousands of doggy generations to be nearly impervious to pain - they will hang on to the death in a fight against a bull, a person, another dog, etc. Pepper spray is very likely to make them angrier and more lethal, but not very likely to make them whine and run away.

I used to live in Montana and engaged in back country hiking. Everyone with any common sense knew that carrying bear spray was only any good if you carried two cans, and a gun to boot. The bear (pepper) spray might make a grizzly back off initially, but they are very likely to come back more enraged and ready to kill.

Bullets are far more efficient than capsaicin spray or sticks.

The dog was not a pit bull. It looked like a small hound dog.