Why do parents have such an issue with DEIB

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Anonymous wrote:I have two friends who are DEI Directors. One is Mexican and one is Black, both are brilliant, and both are asking to be given another title, any other title. They are both disillusioned with the direction that DEI has been taking, believing it to be more divisive than helpful, and rooted in a lot of faulty assumptions and misguided views on history. These are two of the smartest, most thoughtful people I know. I think the gung-ho unquestioning DEI philosophy adherents are not particularly deep thinkers and are missing a lot of the nuance and downside and how it actually disadvantages some of the very same people it’s supposed to be helping.

Wanting a change in title is different than saying we dont need DEI

They want to change careers and don’t want to be labeled and limited as being a DEI person. They don’t believe in DEI the way it’s sold now. They do believe in diversity, true diversity, and helping everyone feel a sense of belonging. But they don’t think typical DEI programs are getting it right.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to think the same as you OP. I thought DEI pushback was simply racist republicans being racists.

Then I read a proposed curriculum that asserted that Mathematics’ focus on students getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture. I then looked into DEI further and was shocked to discover what is creeping into public school curriculums and lesson plans.

Where was this?

check out p 66: https://equitablemath.org/wp-content/uploads/...020/11/1_STRIDE1.pdf

“Upholding the idea that there are always right and wrong answers perpetuate objectivity as well as fear of open con- flict. Some math problems may have more than one right answer and some may not have a solution at all, depend- ing on the content and the context. And when the focus is only on getting the right answer, the complexity of the mathematical concepts and reasoning may be underdeveloped, missing opportunities for deep learning.”

https://www.thefp.com/p/kids-get-schooled-on-radical-politics

The book uses drawings and worksheets to promote the 13 tenets of the Black Lives Matter movement, under titles like “Queer Affirming,” “Transgender Affirming,” and “Restorative Justice.” Principle number 2, “Empathy,” is described as “engaging comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts.”
The coloring book also lists Black Lives Matter’s “national demands,” including “mandate black history & ethnic studies,” “hire more black teachers,” and “fund counselors not cops.”
One parent of a PS 321 fourth grader, whose grandparents fled Communist China before moving to the U.S., said she and her husband were “shocked” that the book used the word comrade—and that it appeared to promote political propaganda.

A .org and a .com!!!

Wow - not a .edu or .gov site. Try again.

Again this is coming straight out of Putin's handbook of disinformation.

Also why would studying black history be bad. We mandate learning other types of history.

I also would like to see an interview of the people who were shocked about the word comrade. The same people who can fabricate that are people who are okay with Trump supporting Putin.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have two friends who are DEI Directors. One is Mexican and one is Black, both are brilliant, and both are asking to be given another title, any other title. They are both disillusioned with the direction that DEI has been taking, believing it to be more divisive than helpful, and rooted in a lot of faulty assumptions and misguided views on history. These are two of the smartest, most thoughtful people I know. I think the gung-ho unquestioning DEI philosophy adherents are not particularly deep thinkers and are missing a lot of the nuance and downside and how it actually disadvantages some of the very same people it’s supposed to be helping.

Wanting a change in title is different than saying we dont need DEI

Not the PP, but if DEI directors are concerned enough with the direction it’s taking, why shouldn’t parents be making decisions on private schools based on DEI at those schools?

Another example of a Black DEI executive in education sounding the alarm and getting punished for it:

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2023/03/1...antiracist-orthodoxy

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OP is a troll. FYI.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to think the same as you OP. I thought DEI pushback was simply racist republicans being racists.

Then I read a proposed curriculum that asserted that Mathematics’ focus on students getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture. I then looked into DEI further and was shocked to discover what is creeping into public school curriculums and lesson plans.

This also isn't true. But again, I'm sure there are a lot of families that would believe it. Why are they falling for it?

Probably because they see evidence of it in their own schools? A lot of people tried these schools and pulled their kids out based on what they actually observed. But keep pretending that people are just majorly inconveniencing themselves and switching schools for not reason.

It's not happening. I promise that nobody is indoctrinating kids to not be racist. It's weird thing to be bothered about.

Oh sweetie, didn’t you know? It’s not enough to “not be racist.” That’s actually SUPER racist. You have to be “anti-racist.”

It's this right here that wild. This person is complaining that being against racism is an extreme position. I see this a lot and I don't understand

“anti-racism” is not being against racism

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why it's such a contentious issue with many of you. The amount of gaslighting and hyperbole that parents are buying into is disgusting and hurtful.

I have not seen a single assignment many of you claim has been included in curriculums. I would blow it off to trolls, but I've heard parents slip and admit that it will factor in their following school selection. They are so threatened by something they know nothing about.

I don't understand why.

I am liberal but against DEIB being taught in school. There’s so much nuance and it’s really tough for kids to understand so they just repeat talking points. My DD talks about white privilege but doesn’t understand what it means - just that she has it and she shouldn’t take advantage of it?! It’s all just someone’s opinion and I’d prefer that my kids have more of a classical education and learn grammar, sentence structure, etc. Frankly teaching DEIB seems lazy on the schools part - teach those kids some hard to learn curriculum!

How is it being taught in school? links to the curriculum your school district uses and the standards they are teaching to it.

Or did they learn that MLK was a human and Medgar Evers was killed. Did your DD learn that when white people did the same thing in the 60s they weren't killed for it - i.e. white privilege and that she can think about what that looks like today?

Can you show me that your children aren't learning grammar and sentence structure (you know from a classical education).

DEIB is lazy. Yeah so lazy you didn't get the lesson.

My DS learned that it’s bad when white people move into a neighborhood and also some really weird takes on world history and colonialism.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why it's such a contentious issue with many of you. The amount of gaslighting and hyperbole that parents are buying into is disgusting and hurtful.

I have not seen a single assignment many of you claim has been included in curriculums. I would blow it off to trolls, but I've heard parents slip and admit that it will factor in their following school selection. They are so threatened by something they know nothing about.

I don't understand why.

I am liberal but against DEIB being taught in school. There’s so much nuance and it’s really tough for kids to understand so they just repeat talking points. My DD talks about white privilege but doesn’t understand what it means - just that she has it and she shouldn’t take advantage of it?! It’s all just someone’s opinion and I’d prefer that my kids have more of a classical education and learn grammar, sentence structure, etc. Frankly teaching DEIB seems lazy on the schools part - teach those kids some hard to learn curriculum!

How is it being taught in school? links to the curriculum your school district uses and the standards they are teaching to it.

Or did they learn that MLK was a human and Medgar Evers was killed. Did your DD learn that when white people did the same thing in the 60s they weren't killed for it - i.e. white privilege and that she can think about what that looks like today?

Can you show me that your children aren't learning grammar and sentence structure (you know from a classical education).

DEIB is lazy. Yeah so lazy you didn't get the lesson.

My DS learned that it’s bad when white people move into a neighborhood and also some really weird takes on world history and colonialism.

What is a "weird take on colonialism"? Do you think the British controlling the wealth and people of half the world was fine?

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Yeah, now realizing OP is a troll. Don't feed the troll.

[Anonymous]

DEIB is bad because Iin practice it means layering over everything with a lot of consultants, administrators, processes and meetings. This is what it does. It is a full employment program for bureaucrats and facilitators of pointless seminars. People just want to get on with their work and their kids' education.

Like my work is huge on DEI. If they were really serious about equity they'd allow the mostly black admin staff to unionize. Instead it's one or two extra vice presidents of harassing me with pointless trainings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have two friends who are DEI Directors. One is Mexican and one is Black, both are brilliant, and both are asking to be given another title, any other title. They are both disillusioned with the direction that DEI has been taking, believing it to be more divisive than helpful, and rooted in a lot of faulty assumptions and misguided views on history. These are two of the smartest, most thoughtful people I know. I think the gung-ho unquestioning DEI philosophy adherents are not particularly deep thinkers and are missing a lot of the nuance and downside and how it actually disadvantages some of the very same people it’s supposed to be helping.

Wanting a change in title is different than saying we dont need DEI

Not the PP, but if DEI directors are concerned enough with the direction it’s taking, why shouldn’t parents be making decisions on private schools based on DEI at those schools?

Another example of a Black DEI executive in education sounding the alarm and getting punished for it:

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2023/03/1...antiracist-orthodoxy

This seems more like a bad hire than anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DEIB is bad because Iin practice it means layering over everything with a lot of consultants, administrators, processes and meetings. This is what it does. It is a full employment program for bureaucrats and facilitators of pointless seminars. People just want to get on with their work and their kids' education.

Like my work is huge on DEI. If they were really serious about equity they'd allow the mostly black admin staff to unionize. Instead it's one or two extra vice presidents of harassing me with pointless trainings.

That’s because corporate DEI is largely an anti-union drive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have two friends who are DEI Directors. One is Mexican and one is Black, both are brilliant, and both are asking to be given another title, any other title. They are both disillusioned with the direction that DEI has been taking, believing it to be more divisive than helpful, and rooted in a lot of faulty assumptions and misguided views on history. These are two of the smartest, most thoughtful people I know. I think the gung-ho unquestioning DEI philosophy adherents are not particularly deep thinkers and are missing a lot of the nuance and downside and how it actually disadvantages some of the very same people it’s supposed to be helping.

Wanting a change in title is different than saying we dont need DEI

Not the PP, but if DEI directors are concerned enough with the direction it’s taking, why shouldn’t parents be making decisions on private schools based on DEI at those schools?

Another example of a Black DEI executive in education sounding the alarm and getting punished for it:

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2023/03/1...antiracist-orthodoxy

This seems more like a bad hire than anything.

Because she dared challenge the orthodoxy she is a “bad hire”?

You are a true DEI religious extremist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DEIB is bad because Iin practice it means layering over everything with a lot of consultants, administrators, processes and meetings. This is what it does. It is a full employment program for bureaucrats and facilitators of pointless seminars. People just want to get on with their work and their kids' education.

Like my work is huge on DEI. If they were really serious about equity they'd allow the mostly black admin staff to unionize. Instead it's one or two extra vice presidents of harassing me with pointless trainings.

THIS!!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have two friends who are DEI Directors. One is Mexican and one is Black, both are brilliant, and both are asking to be given another title, any other title. They are both disillusioned with the direction that DEI has been taking, believing it to be more divisive than helpful, and rooted in a lot of faulty assumptions and misguided views on history. These are two of the smartest, most thoughtful people I know. I think the gung-ho unquestioning DEI philosophy adherents are not particularly deep thinkers and are missing a lot of the nuance and downside and how it actually disadvantages some of the very same people it’s supposed to be helping.

Wanting a change in title is different than saying we dont need DEI

They want to change careers and don’t want to be labeled and limited as being a DEI person. They don’t believe in DEI the way it’s sold now. They do believe in diversity, true diversity, and helping everyone feel a sense of belonging. But they don’t think typical DEI programs are getting it right.

If your friends were really that brilliant, they would never have hopped on this bandwagon to begin with. Good luck to them! Better late than never.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know why it's such a contentious issue with many of you. The amount of gaslighting and hyperbole that parents are buying into is disgusting and hurtful.

I have not seen a single assignment many of you claim has been included in curriculums. I would blow it off to trolls, but I've heard parents slip and admit that it will factor in their following school selection. They are so threatened by something they know nothing about.

I don't understand why.

+1

It is crazy how tacitly racist so many private school parents appear to be.