“Wrap-around services.” Do you agree this is the problem?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Following up on the recent panel discussion you can find (and discussed) here:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1183416.page

Gist was: youth in DC would not commit crime if they were given “wrap-around” services by the government / taxpayers.

Do you agree that is the problem / issue / solution to crime in DC?

Why or why not ?

Yes. That should help BUT youth isn't the real problem, lack of parenting IS.

[Anonymous]

Me, my siblings, DH, cousins, friends, all knew that we just can't get involved in crime, no matter how bad our options or resources are.

Where did d we learn that? From parents. Who did we fear? God, parents, social reputation, police, consequences but mostly our own sense of right and wrong.

[Anonymous]

More services might help on the margins. But being born out of wedlock is a fast track to generational poverty. Until leaders of the AA community are willing to have a hard talk with their community, there is not much the government can do to help.

[Anonymous]

They are going to turn this eventually into cash payments. Criminals won't commit crime of the state/city gives them govt handouts in the form of cash payments!

Lol. Dumbest idea ever.

[Anonymous]

Focused deterrence is an evidence-based approach to reducing violent crime. It's working in Baltimore City's western district. A carrot and stick approach. They identify the kids/young adults involved in violence, both victims and perpetrators, and offer wraparound services. The participants understand that if they choose not to engage in services, and subsequently commit a crime of violence, they will be prosecuted and given specific consequences. It has reduced shootings by 25%, has not displaced crime to other parts of the city, and has not resulted in an increase in overall arrests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Following up on the recent panel discussion you can find (and discussed) here:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1183416.page

Gist was: youth in DC would not commit crime if they were given “wrap-around” services by the government / taxpayers.

Do you agree that is the problem / issue / solution to crime in DC?

Why or why not ?

Yes. That should help BUT youth isn't the real problem, lack of parenting IS.

+1. Dc youth need supervision and consequences. They currently have neither.

[Anonymous]

I recommend a cultural exchange program. The US can send some of our citizens to countries that are supplying record numbers of migrants to the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it would help, but it starts too late. I think it needs to begin during the prenatal period because stress hormones during pregnancy can affect the baby’s brain development and future mental health. There should be free, high quality programs to enrich babies and toddlers and universal pre-K3. Teach anger management and conflict resolution to young kids. Provide high quality after school programs until 6 pm so kids are less likely to be unsupervised. Offer jobs and apprenticeships to every 14 to 18 year old and put a matching amount in a savings account that can be used for college, trade school, or entrepreneurship.

12 hours of daycare from babyhood on. So the less time spent with one's biological mother the better? But as someone said earlier, more time with the biological father is needed too?

No, but if a parent is able to find work while knowing their child is in a safe environment they are far more likely to be able to support their household. I believe PP's point is rather than having latchkey kids or kids in unsafe or less than ideal childcare environments, let's use that need for childcare as an opportunity to also have a positive impact on the children while their parent(s) work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it would help, but it starts too late. I think it needs to begin during the prenatal period because stress hormones during pregnancy can affect the baby’s brain development and future mental health. There should be free, high quality programs to enrich babies and toddlers and universal pre-K3. Teach anger management and conflict resolution to young kids. Provide high quality after school programs until 6 pm so kids are less likely to be unsupervised. Offer jobs and apprenticeships to every 14 to 18 year old and put a matching amount in a savings account that can be used for college, trade school, or entrepreneurship.

12 hours of daycare from babyhood on. So the less time spent with one's biological mother the better? But as someone said earlier, more time with the biological father is needed too?

No, but if a parent is able to find work while knowing their child is in a safe environment they are far more likely to be able to support their household. I believe PP's point is rather than having latchkey kids or kids in unsafe or less than ideal childcare environments, let's use that need for childcare as an opportunity to also have a positive impact on the children while their parent(s) work.

I would rather spend societal money on high quality day care so parents can work , than on a welfare check so they sit at home and watch their kids.. the former gives families enduring security, and the kids are likely being exposed to better socialization - emphasis high quality, licensed day care. I say this as a former single parent who scraped by to pay daycare and work

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it would help, but it starts too late. I think it needs to begin during the prenatal period because stress hormones during pregnancy can affect the baby’s brain development and future mental health. There should be free, high quality programs to enrich babies and toddlers and universal pre-K3. Teach anger management and conflict resolution to young kids. Provide high quality after school programs until 6 pm so kids are less likely to be unsupervised. Offer jobs and apprenticeships to every 14 to 18 year old and put a matching amount in a savings account that can be used for college, trade school, or entrepreneurship.

12 hours of daycare from babyhood on. So the less time spent with one's biological mother the better? But as someone said earlier, more time with the biological father is needed too?

No, but if a parent is able to find work while knowing their child is in a safe environment they are far more likely to be able to support their household. I believe PP's point is rather than having latchkey kids or kids in unsafe or less than ideal childcare environments, let's use that need for childcare as an opportunity to also have a positive impact on the children while their parent(s) work.

I would rather spend societal money on high quality day care so parents can work , than on a welfare check so they sit at home and watch their kids.. the former gives families enduring security, and the kids are likely being exposed to better socialization - emphasis high quality, licensed day care. I say this as a former single parent who scraped by to pay daycare and work

Will the high quality daycare also operate a pill mill? Daycare facilities don't have stellar track records and DC's ability to regulate anything is tenuous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Focused deterrence is an evidence-based approach to reducing violent crime. It's working in Baltimore City's western district. A carrot and stick approach. They identify the kids/young adults involved in violence, both victims and perpetrators, and offer wraparound services. The participants understand that if they choose not to engage in services, and subsequently commit a crime of violence, they will be prosecuted and given specific consequences. It has reduced shootings by 25%, has not displaced crime to other parts of the city, and has not resulted in an increase in overall arrests.

Sounds promising

[Anonymous]

Yes, but more than lip service is necessary. We should be providing quality housing, education, food, health insurance, mental health & healing, etc.

In America, there is a tendency to throw money at the problem and forget about it. But many orgs that are supposed to be operating are either stealing money, ineffective or overwhelmed. The management and oversight process is not there and that needs to change.

There isn't any reason why American citizens are struggling to grt effective services and people who have been in the country less than 30 days are receiving debit cards with $1,000 stipends on it each month. (Looking at you NYC)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Following up on the recent panel discussion you can find (and discussed) here:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1183416.page

Gist was: youth in DC would not commit crime if they were given “wrap-around” services by the government / taxpayers.

Do you agree that is the problem / issue / solution to crime in DC?

Why or why not ?

I mean it might help a bit with prevention. But people who think this would be a solution fail to realize that it requires buy-in from the youth themselves. You can lead a horse to water but can’t make it drink.

Definitely wouldn’t hurt but it would need a honest cost/benefit analysis. Already spend tens of thousands of dollars on free public school for every single kid regardless of if the kid is skipping/doing work/putting in effort/actually benefiting. And public education is a HUGE if not the biggest expense of state/local governments (i.e. directly funded by tax payers, can not run deficits and print money like the fed does). Don’t want to create an even more expensive parallel service that costs the same/more and doesn’t make a massive difference.

Actually, you can force a horse to drink as a condition of its release. There are plenty of services overall for kids/families in DC--and 'wraparound' services for kids tangled up in the legal system should provide services -- like GED for example--that they must take advantage of for release back into community. What do they need to be a better, societally inclined person? Education, counseling, job training, group sessions, check-ins? Make them do it before they are released as adults at 26. Also, if they are not adults until 26 in the eyes of DC then they should be help until then (unless they take advantage of a LOT of wraparound services).

But the “release” you refer to implies some sort of sentence to incarceration in a prison or jail. That virtually never happens anymore in DC.

So how would release be any sort of incentive?

[Anonymous]

Wraparound services is just the latest, vague, handwavy thing that those who excuse crime use to justify people's horrible decisions and failures. As stated, wraparound services at best can help those who WANT to help themselves. But it will not force those who need to shift their behaviors and mentality to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wraparound services is just the latest, vague, handwavy thing that those who excuse crime use to justify people's horrible decisions and failures. As stated, wraparound services at best can help those who WANT to help themselves. But it will not force those who need to shift their behaviors and mentality to do so.

It’s so fking idiotic. The narrative has become to support the perpetrators of crime over the victims. If you complain you’re branded insensitive or worse.

Is the crime bill completely watered down at this point? I hope not. Did you see that video today of kids flashing huge wads of cash at Washington View apartments? Insane.