Surrogacy abroad

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Fine if you support it. But you should at least acknowledge that it raises real ethical questions. There is a reason it is illegal in so many countries.

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There are lots of things that poor and desperate people would be willing to do for money, that are still unethical.

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Anonymous wrote:So you want to travel to some poor country and pay an impoverished woman to get pregnant and carry your child? That seems ethical to you?

Bet you pay impoverished women to produce your adorbz housewares and clothing all the time. Hypocrite.

You think producing clothing is the same effect on a body as carrying a child? Are you a man or something? No way a woman would compare these two.

Speak for yourself. I’m a woman and I’d much rather get well paid for being pregnant again than work for less than minimum wage in a factory.

How do we determine what is well paid to carry a pregnancy and birth a child?

OP is trying to cut corners and pay as little as possible by going to a poor country. How much is a bio child worth?

A biological child is priceless to me. I am thankful that fertility was a nonissue for me, but I know I would never adopt. DH has an adopted sister who has been nothing but a heartache for his family. She was adopted as a baby. She was treated with love and kindness, but became a nightmare in high school and it has never stopped. She is mentally ill, most likely inherited, and has repeated problems with drug abuse and the law and with running away. My in laws have done everything imaginable for her, but it’s useless. Sure, this can happen with a biological child, but it’s different when it does. My in laws feel burdened in a way that wouldn’t with a biological child.

OP isn’t trying to cut corners as you say. She says she has around $50,000 to $70,000 to spend on a surrogate. She is seeking to find one in a country where that is a lot more money than $200,000 is in the US. Do you know what kind of a difference $20,000, let alone $50,000 would make to a poor woman in India. It’s a shame this was outlawed there. The rich people in that country really do not care about the poor ones and will do anything to keep them down, under the guise of “protecting” them.

Do not pay attention to these trolls, OP! Good luck to you!!!

Youre probably (precisely) right that the rich in those countries dont care about the poor, and especially the poor women. But purposely seeking out a poor country to leverage your $ against someone elses body is gross. I don't love the idea of going to a poor country and waving your money around, looking to exploit someone. Basically buying a slave for 10 months (at least). Going to a poor country also means its more likely that the surrogate has less protections, may not be aware of any legal issues, etc. Much easier to take advantage of a poor impoverished woman from a developing nation rather than pay an appropriate market price for her body. Whatever that price is supposed to be.

A surrogate isn’t a slave. It’s offensive for you to equate the two. It’s not like anyone is kidnapped and forced to carry other people’s kids. It’s a CHOICE for the surrogates. No one is waving money around. OP doesn’t have $200,000. She has half that. That’s a lot of money for someone in most countries outside of the US, Canada, Israel, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Japan. It actually comes out to much more money for the surrogate.

Why are you deciding for other women how they can make money? I, for one, loved being pregnant. I would happily do it for money, especially if I needed some, but I’m in my late 40s and think that I’d be pushing it at this stage. I wouldn’t consider it selling my body. I’d consider it helping someone out and getting paid for it as a huge bonus.

Why is your opinion the only one that counts? Are you imagining yourself as Judge Judy?

OP only has 1/4 of what the rate of surrogacy is in the US. Are women in other countries worth 25% of you? Is that how you justify treating women like cattle and then buying their babies?

No one is talking about the worth of these women. We are talking about their cost of living. The coat of living anywhere in the USA is much higher than anywhere in India. It’s a lot more an 1/4 difference.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=India&country2=United+States

Can you just stop? You sound so stupid.

So how does that value these women and their experiences? The post you were replying to is regarding how to value pregnancy and birth. Does the value of growing a child change depending on what time zone youre in? OP clearly doesnt value a bio baby at $200k or she would get a better job, save up more, etc. OP would rather find some poor person and pay them to be bred and birth her a child.

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Anonymous wrote:So you want to travel to some poor country and pay an impoverished woman to get pregnant and carry your child? That seems ethical to you?

Bet you pay impoverished women to produce your adorbz housewares and clothing all the time. Hypocrite.

You think producing clothing is the same effect on a body as carrying a child? Are you a man or something? No way a woman would compare these two.

Speak for yourself. I’m a woman and I’d much rather get well paid for being pregnant again than work for less than minimum wage in a factory.

How do we determine what is well paid to carry a pregnancy and birth a child?

OP is trying to cut corners and pay as little as possible by going to a poor country. How much is a bio child worth?

A biological child is priceless to me. I am thankful that fertility was a nonissue for me, but I know I would never adopt. DH has an adopted sister who has been nothing but a heartache for his family. She was adopted as a baby. She was treated with love and kindness, but became a nightmare in high school and it has never stopped. She is mentally ill, most likely inherited, and has repeated problems with drug abuse and the law and with running away. My in laws have done everything imaginable for her, but it’s useless. Sure, this can happen with a biological child, but it’s different when it does. My in laws feel burdened in a way that wouldn’t with a biological child.

OP isn’t trying to cut corners as you say. She says she has around $50,000 to $70,000 to spend on a surrogate. She is seeking to find one in a country where that is a lot more money than $200,000 is in the US. Do you know what kind of a difference $20,000, let alone $50,000 would make to a poor woman in India. It’s a shame this was outlawed there. The rich people in that country really do not care about the poor ones and will do anything to keep them down, under the guise of “protecting” them.

Do not pay attention to these trolls, OP! Good luck to you!!!

Youre probably (precisely) right that the rich in those countries dont care about the poor, and especially the poor women. But purposely seeking out a poor country to leverage your $ against someone elses body is gross. I don't love the idea of going to a poor country and waving your money around, looking to exploit someone. Basically buying a slave for 10 months (at least). Going to a poor country also means its more likely that the surrogate has less protections, may not be aware of any legal issues, etc. Much easier to take advantage of a poor impoverished woman from a developing nation rather than pay an appropriate market price for her body. Whatever that price is supposed to be.

A surrogate isn’t a slave. It’s offensive for you to equate the two. It’s not like anyone is kidnapped and forced to carry other people’s kids. It’s a CHOICE for the surrogates. No one is waving money around. OP doesn’t have $200,000. She has half that. That’s a lot of money for someone in most countries outside of the US, Canada, Israel, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Japan. It actually comes out to much more money for the surrogate.

Why are you deciding for other women how they can make money? I, for one, loved being pregnant. I would happily do it for money, especially if I needed some, but I’m in my late 40s and think that I’d be pushing it at this stage. I wouldn’t consider it selling my body. I’d consider it helping someone out and getting paid for it as a huge bonus.

Why is your opinion the only one that counts? Are you imagining yourself as Judge Judy?

OP only has 1/4 of what the rate of surrogacy is in the US. Are women in other countries worth 25% of you? Is that how you justify treating women like cattle and then buying their babies?

No one is talking about the worth of these women. We are talking about their cost of living. The coat of living anywhere in the USA is much higher than anywhere in India. It’s a lot more an 1/4 difference.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=India&country2=United+States

Can you just stop? You sound so stupid.

So how does that value these women and their experiences? The post you were replying to is regarding how to value pregnancy and birth. Does the value of growing a child change depending on what time zone youre in? OP clearly doesnt value a bio baby at $200k or she would get a better job, save up more, etc. OP would rather find some poor person and pay them to be bred and birth her a child.

Are you writing from an institution? What you wrote above is word salad. I’d worry about that more than the ethics of surrogacy.

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Anonymous wrote:So you want to travel to some poor country and pay an impoverished woman to get pregnant and carry your child? That seems ethical to you?

Bet you pay impoverished women to produce your adorbz housewares and clothing all the time. Hypocrite.

You think producing clothing is the same effect on a body as carrying a child? Are you a man or something? No way a woman would compare these two.

Speak for yourself. I’m a woman and I’d much rather get well paid for being pregnant again than work for less than minimum wage in a factory.

How do we determine what is well paid to carry a pregnancy and birth a child?

OP is trying to cut corners and pay as little as possible by going to a poor country. How much is a bio child worth?

A biological child is priceless to me. I am thankful that fertility was a nonissue for me, but I know I would never adopt. DH has an adopted sister who has been nothing but a heartache for his family. She was adopted as a baby. She was treated with love and kindness, but became a nightmare in high school and it has never stopped. She is mentally ill, most likely inherited, and has repeated problems with drug abuse and the law and with running away. My in laws have done everything imaginable for her, but it’s useless. Sure, this can happen with a biological child, but it’s different when it does. My in laws feel burdened in a way that wouldn’t with a biological child.

OP isn’t trying to cut corners as you say. She says she has around $50,000 to $70,000 to spend on a surrogate. She is seeking to find one in a country where that is a lot more money than $200,000 is in the US. Do you know what kind of a difference $20,000, let alone $50,000 would make to a poor woman in India. It’s a shame this was outlawed there. The rich people in that country really do not care about the poor ones and will do anything to keep them down, under the guise of “protecting” them.

Do not pay attention to these trolls, OP! Good luck to you!!!

Youre probably (precisely) right that the rich in those countries dont care about the poor, and especially the poor women. But purposely seeking out a poor country to leverage your $ against someone elses body is gross. I don't love the idea of going to a poor country and waving your money around, looking to exploit someone. Basically buying a slave for 10 months (at least). Going to a poor country also means its more likely that the surrogate has less protections, may not be aware of any legal issues, etc. Much easier to take advantage of a poor impoverished woman from a developing nation rather than pay an appropriate market price for her body. Whatever that price is supposed to be.

A surrogate isn’t a slave. It’s offensive for you to equate the two. It’s not like anyone is kidnapped and forced to carry other people’s kids. It’s a CHOICE for the surrogates. No one is waving money around. OP doesn’t have $200,000. She has half that. That’s a lot of money for someone in most countries outside of the US, Canada, Israel, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Japan. It actually comes out to much more money for the surrogate.

Why are you deciding for other women how they can make money? I, for one, loved being pregnant. I would happily do it for money, especially if I needed some, but I’m in my late 40s and think that I’d be pushing it at this stage. I wouldn’t consider it selling my body. I’d consider it helping someone out and getting paid for it as a huge bonus.

Why is your opinion the only one that counts? Are you imagining yourself as Judge Judy?

NP. Many women have been forced and coerced into surrogacy. I watched a documentary about surrogates in India, and one man decided that his wife was going to be a surrogate to supplement his income. She was forced to stay away from her own child for the duration of her pregnancy and live in a baby mill. When she gave birth, she was treated as subhuman by the doctors, who showed complete disregard for her. After the birth, her husband was so thrilled with the money that he decided to make her do it again. Luckily commercial surrogacy is illegal there now, but this clearly illustrates the ways in which surrogacy can be used to exploit women. Also, the average US surrogate isn't making anywhere near $100k. To put it charitably, you sound incredibly naive.

Actually, American surrogates do make close to $100,000 depending on their location, experience , etc.

https://www.westcoastsurrogacy.com/become-a-surrogate-mother/surrogate-mother-compensation#:~:text=The%20average%20amount%20of%20compensation,experience%20and%20the%20individual%20arrangements.

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Anonymous wrote:Some adoptions are ethical and some are unethical. Some surrogacies are ethical and some are unethical. I didn't see OP saying that she intended to pay the least amount humanly possible -- I wouldn't assume such malice. She's also unlikely to be working without an agency, who will set the prices. If she vets the agency, then I don't see a problem.

You do realize this is the excuse that many adoptive parents in the US used to excuse the children they stole away from their parents internationally? Working through agencies doesn’t excuse moral culpability. There is a reason, a horrific reason, that international adoption agencies have been chased out of many poor countries. Going through an agency didn’t remove the moral stain for international adoption and it doesn’t remove the significant ethical issues here.

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Anonymous wrote:So you want to travel to some poor country and pay an impoverished woman to get pregnant and carry your child? That seems ethical to you?

Bet you pay impoverished women to produce your adorbz housewares and clothing all the time. Hypocrite.

You think producing clothing is the same effect on a body as carrying a child? Are you a man or something? No way a woman would compare these two.

No, I'm not a man, and I've given birth.

But you're a hypocrite if you think that making money with your special sacred womb-chalice should be in a different category than people (men and women) wrecking their bodies performing punishing, unprotected manual labor, which is exactly what happens every single so that y'all can have your cute holiday decor and other consumer goods.

I'll never forget an article I read years ago about Indian surrogacy. The woman interviewed had literally been breaking rocks for a living before then. When asked if she felt exploited by surrogacy, she laughed politely and said "no, when I was breaking rocks for little money, that was being exploited".

But then I also think that sex work should be legal, safe, and well-paid, so I doubt we'll agree on this one.

I too agree that sex work is work. But how do you value pregnancy and childbirth? Who decides? When people like OP "cant afford" to pay the rate here, they go elsewhere, looking for someone - anyone- who will accept what they want to pay. They dont want to pay to support these women or make the industry better, they want to pay as little as possible for someone else to put their life on the line for them to get a bio baby. It's not quite the same (to me). I'm not saying outlaw it, but I am saying there are issues people are choosing to ignore that are exploitative and harmful just to get some of their DNA in a mini-me.

You value it as physical work that can imperil someone's health, that is full-time, that requires a great amount of commitment, and that can be unpredictable in its difficulty.

That describes other jobs that don't involve wombs, as well. A special preciousness about wombs (as opposed to other muscles) is, I think, worth questioning.

Other jobs don’t result in fully formed humans who will some day have to come to grips with the ethical circumstances of their birth.

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Anonymous wrote:So you want to travel to some poor country and pay an impoverished woman to get pregnant and carry your child? That seems ethical to you?

Bet you pay impoverished women to produce your adorbz housewares and clothing all the time. Hypocrite.

You think producing clothing is the same effect on a body as carrying a child? Are you a man or something? No way a woman would compare these two.

Speak for yourself. I’m a woman and I’d much rather get well paid for being pregnant again than work for less than minimum wage in a factory.

How do we determine what is well paid to carry a pregnancy and birth a child?

OP is trying to cut corners and pay as little as possible by going to a poor country. How much is a bio child worth?

A biological child is priceless to me. I am thankful that fertility was a nonissue for me, but I know I would never adopt. DH has an adopted sister who has been nothing but a heartache for his family. She was adopted as a baby. She was treated with love and kindness, but became a nightmare in high school and it has never stopped. She is mentally ill, most likely inherited, and has repeated problems with drug abuse and the law and with running away. My in laws have done everything imaginable for her, but it’s useless. Sure, this can happen with a biological child, but it’s different when it does. My in laws feel burdened in a way that wouldn’t with a biological child.

OP isn’t trying to cut corners as you say. She says she has around $50,000 to $70,000 to spend on a surrogate. She is seeking to find one in a country where that is a lot more money than $200,000 is in the US. Do you know what kind of a difference $20,000, let alone $50,000 would make to a poor woman in India. It’s a shame this was outlawed there. The rich people in that country really do not care about the poor ones and will do anything to keep them down, under the guise of “protecting” them.

Do not pay attention to these trolls, OP! Good luck to you!!!

Youre probably (precisely) right that the rich in those countries dont care about the poor, and especially the poor women. But purposely seeking out a poor country to leverage your $ against someone elses body is gross. I don't love the idea of going to a poor country and waving your money around, looking to exploit someone. Basically buying a slave for 10 months (at least). Going to a poor country also means its more likely that the surrogate has less protections, may not be aware of any legal issues, etc. Much easier to take advantage of a poor impoverished woman from a developing nation rather than pay an appropriate market price for her body. Whatever that price is supposed to be.

A surrogate isn’t a slave. It’s offensive for you to equate the two. It’s not like anyone is kidnapped and forced to carry other people’s kids. It’s a CHOICE for the surrogates. No one is waving money around. OP doesn’t have $200,000. She has half that. That’s a lot of money for someone in most countries outside of the US, Canada, Israel, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Japan. It actually comes out to much more money for the surrogate.

Why are you deciding for other women how they can make money? I, for one, loved being pregnant. I would happily do it for money, especially if I needed some, but I’m in my late 40s and think that I’d be pushing it at this stage. I wouldn’t consider it selling my body. I’d consider it helping someone out and getting paid for it as a huge bonus.

Why is your opinion the only one that counts? Are you imagining yourself as Judge Judy?

NP. Many women have been forced and coerced into surrogacy. I watched a documentary about surrogates in India, and one man decided that his wife was going to be a surrogate to supplement his income. She was forced to stay away from her own child for the duration of her pregnancy and live in a baby mill. When she gave birth, she was treated as subhuman by the doctors, who showed complete disregard for her. After the birth, her husband was so thrilled with the money that he decided to make her do it again. Luckily commercial surrogacy is illegal there now, but this clearly illustrates the ways in which surrogacy can be used to exploit women. Also, the average US surrogate isn't making anywhere near $100k. To put it charitably, you sound incredibly naive.

Actually, American surrogates do make close to $100,000 depending on their location, experience , etc.

https://www.westcoastsurrogacy.com/become-a-surrogate-mother/surrogate-mother-compensation#:~:text=The%20average%20amount%20of%20compensation,experience%20and%20the%20individual%20arrangements.

Per your link, first time surrogates "make" $60k and that includes "expenses" so not even profit.
Sounds like OP doesnt need to pay impoverished women from developing nations after all!

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Anonymous wrote:So you want to travel to some poor country and pay an impoverished woman to get pregnant and carry your child? That seems ethical to you?

Bet you pay impoverished women to produce your adorbz housewares and clothing all the time. Hypocrite.

You think producing clothing is the same effect on a body as carrying a child? Are you a man or something? No way a woman would compare these two.

Speak for yourself. I’m a woman and I’d much rather get well paid for being pregnant again than work for less than minimum wage in a factory.

How do we determine what is well paid to carry a pregnancy and birth a child?

OP is trying to cut corners and pay as little as possible by going to a poor country. How much is a bio child worth?

A biological child is priceless to me. I am thankful that fertility was a nonissue for me, but I know I would never adopt. DH has an adopted sister who has been nothing but a heartache for his family. She was adopted as a baby. She was treated with love and kindness, but became a nightmare in high school and it has never stopped. She is mentally ill, most likely inherited, and has repeated problems with drug abuse and the law and with running away. My in laws have done everything imaginable for her, but it’s useless. Sure, this can happen with a biological child, but it’s different when it does. My in laws feel burdened in a way that wouldn’t with a biological child.

OP isn’t trying to cut corners as you say. She says she has around $50,000 to $70,000 to spend on a surrogate. She is seeking to find one in a country where that is a lot more money than $200,000 is in the US. Do you know what kind of a difference $20,000, let alone $50,000 would make to a poor woman in India. It’s a shame this was outlawed there. The rich people in that country really do not care about the poor ones and will do anything to keep them down, under the guise of “protecting” them.

Do not pay attention to these trolls, OP! Good luck to you!!!

Youre probably (precisely) right that the rich in those countries dont care about the poor, and especially the poor women. But purposely seeking out a poor country to leverage your $ against someone elses body is gross. I don't love the idea of going to a poor country and waving your money around, looking to exploit someone. Basically buying a slave for 10 months (at least). Going to a poor country also means its more likely that the surrogate has less protections, may not be aware of any legal issues, etc. Much easier to take advantage of a poor impoverished woman from a developing nation rather than pay an appropriate market price for her body. Whatever that price is supposed to be.

A surrogate isn’t a slave. It’s offensive for you to equate the two. It’s not like anyone is kidnapped and forced to carry other people’s kids. It’s a CHOICE for the surrogates. No one is waving money around. OP doesn’t have $200,000. She has half that. That’s a lot of money for someone in most countries outside of the US, Canada, Israel, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Japan. It actually comes out to much more money for the surrogate.

Why are you deciding for other women how they can make money? I, for one, loved being pregnant. I would happily do it for money, especially if I needed some, but I’m in my late 40s and think that I’d be pushing it at this stage. I wouldn’t consider it selling my body. I’d consider it helping someone out and getting paid for it as a huge bonus.

Why is your opinion the only one that counts? Are you imagining yourself as Judge Judy?

NP. Many women have been forced and coerced into surrogacy. I watched a documentary about surrogates in India, and one man decided that his wife was going to be a surrogate to supplement his income. She was forced to stay away from her own child for the duration of her pregnancy and live in a baby mill. When she gave birth, she was treated as subhuman by the doctors, who showed complete disregard for her. After the birth, her husband was so thrilled with the money that he decided to make her do it again. Luckily commercial surrogacy is illegal there now, but this clearly illustrates the ways in which surrogacy can be used to exploit women. Also, the average US surrogate isn't making anywhere near $100k. To put it charitably, you sound incredibly naive.

Why don’t you watch a documentary of how women are generally treated in India? They drown out their baby daughters and burn rape victims to death, too. Do you think this guy was an otherwise upstanding husband?

For some of these women, surrogacy opens a million doors and a lot of freedom. To put it charitably, you sound incredibly naive.

I'm Indian and I don't need to learn about women in India. You're also engaging in whataboutism again, which is completely illogical. Just because some poor women are exploited and abused in terrible ways certainly doesn't justify legalizing another way to exploit and abuse poor women exclusively. Luckily the Indian government is smarter than you and has banned commercial surrogacy, finding it unethical - like most of the world. Surrogacy isn't "opening doors" for poor women any more than prostitution. A year later, these surrogates aren't suddenly climbing the success ladder, going to college, or being boss girl.

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Anonymous wrote:So you want to travel to some poor country and pay an impoverished woman to get pregnant and carry your child? That seems ethical to you?

Bet you pay impoverished women to produce your adorbz housewares and clothing all the time. Hypocrite.

You think producing clothing is the same effect on a body as carrying a child? Are you a man or something? No way a woman would compare these two.

Speak for yourself. I’m a woman and I’d much rather get well paid for being pregnant again than work for less than minimum wage in a factory.

How do we determine what is well paid to carry a pregnancy and birth a child?

OP is trying to cut corners and pay as little as possible by going to a poor country. How much is a bio child worth?

A biological child is priceless to me. I am thankful that fertility was a nonissue for me, but I know I would never adopt. DH has an adopted sister who has been nothing but a heartache for his family. She was adopted as a baby. She was treated with love and kindness, but became a nightmare in high school and it has never stopped. She is mentally ill, most likely inherited, and has repeated problems with drug abuse and the law and with running away. My in laws have done everything imaginable for her, but it’s useless. Sure, this can happen with a biological child, but it’s different when it does. My in laws feel burdened in a way that wouldn’t with a biological child.

OP isn’t trying to cut corners as you say. She says she has around $50,000 to $70,000 to spend on a surrogate. She is seeking to find one in a country where that is a lot more money than $200,000 is in the US. Do you know what kind of a difference $20,000, let alone $50,000 would make to a poor woman in India. It’s a shame this was outlawed there. The rich people in that country really do not care about the poor ones and will do anything to keep them down, under the guise of “protecting” them.

Do not pay attention to these trolls, OP! Good luck to you!!!

Youre probably (precisely) right that the rich in those countries dont care about the poor, and especially the poor women. But purposely seeking out a poor country to leverage your $ against someone elses body is gross. I don't love the idea of going to a poor country and waving your money around, looking to exploit someone. Basically buying a slave for 10 months (at least). Going to a poor country also means its more likely that the surrogate has less protections, may not be aware of any legal issues, etc. Much easier to take advantage of a poor impoverished woman from a developing nation rather than pay an appropriate market price for her body. Whatever that price is supposed to be.

A surrogate isn’t a slave. It’s offensive for you to equate the two. It’s not like anyone is kidnapped and forced to carry other people’s kids. It’s a CHOICE for the surrogates. No one is waving money around. OP doesn’t have $200,000. She has half that. That’s a lot of money for someone in most countries outside of the US, Canada, Israel, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Japan. It actually comes out to much more money for the surrogate.

Why are you deciding for other women how they can make money? I, for one, loved being pregnant. I would happily do it for money, especially if I needed some, but I’m in my late 40s and think that I’d be pushing it at this stage. I wouldn’t consider it selling my body. I’d consider it helping someone out and getting paid for it as a huge bonus.

Why is your opinion the only one that counts? Are you imagining yourself as Judge Judy?

NP. Many women have been forced and coerced into surrogacy. I watched a documentary about surrogates in India, and one man decided that his wife was going to be a surrogate to supplement his income. She was forced to stay away from her own child for the duration of her pregnancy and live in a baby mill. When she gave birth, she was treated as subhuman by the doctors, who showed complete disregard for her. After the birth, her husband was so thrilled with the money that he decided to make her do it again. Luckily commercial surrogacy is illegal there now, but this clearly illustrates the ways in which surrogacy can be used to exploit women. Also, the average US surrogate isn't making anywhere near $100k. To put it charitably, you sound incredibly naive.

Why don’t you watch a documentary of how women are generally treated in India? They drown out their baby daughters and burn rape victims to death, too. Do you think this guy was an otherwise upstanding husband?

For some of these women, surrogacy opens a million doors and a lot of freedom. To put it charitably, you sound incredibly naive.

I'm Indian and I don't need to learn about women in India. You're also engaging in whataboutism again, which is completely illogical. Just because some poor women are exploited and abused in terrible ways certainly doesn't justify legalizing another way to exploit and abuse poor women exclusively. Luckily the Indian government is smarter than you and has banned commercial surrogacy, finding it unethical - like most of the world. Surrogacy isn't "opening doors" for poor women any more than prostitution. A year later, these surrogates aren't suddenly climbing the success ladder, going to college, or being boss girl.

As an Indian you should be ashamed of the caste system, of the slums, of the lack of public toilets and the many inherent elements of Indian culture which completely prevent a person from rising above their station at birth. But it’s a lot easier to rant about a fringe, niche surrogacy industry than it is to actually fix the numerous real problems in your country. I used to blame the British and colonialism, but after seeing how a lot of Indians see the world, I don’t anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:So you want to travel to some poor country and pay an impoverished woman to get pregnant and carry your child? That seems ethical to you?

Bet you pay impoverished women to produce your adorbz housewares and clothing all the time. Hypocrite.

You think producing clothing is the same effect on a body as carrying a child? Are you a man or something? No way a woman would compare these two.

Speak for yourself. I’m a woman and I’d much rather get well paid for being pregnant again than work for less than minimum wage in a factory.

How do we determine what is well paid to carry a pregnancy and birth a child?

OP is trying to cut corners and pay as little as possible by going to a poor country. How much is a bio child worth?

A biological child is priceless to me. I am thankful that fertility was a nonissue for me, but I know I would never adopt. DH has an adopted sister who has been nothing but a heartache for his family. She was adopted as a baby. She was treated with love and kindness, but became a nightmare in high school and it has never stopped. She is mentally ill, most likely inherited, and has repeated problems with drug abuse and the law and with running away. My in laws have done everything imaginable for her, but it’s useless. Sure, this can happen with a biological child, but it’s different when it does. My in laws feel burdened in a way that wouldn’t with a biological child.

OP isn’t trying to cut corners as you say. She says she has around $50,000 to $70,000 to spend on a surrogate. She is seeking to find one in a country where that is a lot more money than $200,000 is in the US. Do you know what kind of a difference $20,000, let alone $50,000 would make to a poor woman in India. It’s a shame this was outlawed there. The rich people in that country really do not care about the poor ones and will do anything to keep them down, under the guise of “protecting” them.

Do not pay attention to these trolls, OP! Good luck to you!!!

Youre probably (precisely) right that the rich in those countries dont care about the poor, and especially the poor women. But purposely seeking out a poor country to leverage your $ against someone elses body is gross. I don't love the idea of going to a poor country and waving your money around, looking to exploit someone. Basically buying a slave for 10 months (at least). Going to a poor country also means its more likely that the surrogate has less protections, may not be aware of any legal issues, etc. Much easier to take advantage of a poor impoverished woman from a developing nation rather than pay an appropriate market price for her body. Whatever that price is supposed to be.

A surrogate isn’t a slave. It’s offensive for you to equate the two. It’s not like anyone is kidnapped and forced to carry other people’s kids. It’s a CHOICE for the surrogates. No one is waving money around. OP doesn’t have $200,000. She has half that. That’s a lot of money for someone in most countries outside of the US, Canada, Israel, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Japan. It actually comes out to much more money for the surrogate.

Why are you deciding for other women how they can make money? I, for one, loved being pregnant. I would happily do it for money, especially if I needed some, but I’m in my late 40s and think that I’d be pushing it at this stage. I wouldn’t consider it selling my body. I’d consider it helping someone out and getting paid for it as a huge bonus.

Why is your opinion the only one that counts? Are you imagining yourself as Judge Judy?

NP. Many women have been forced and coerced into surrogacy. I watched a documentary about surrogates in India, and one man decided that his wife was going to be a surrogate to supplement his income. She was forced to stay away from her own child for the duration of her pregnancy and live in a baby mill. When she gave birth, she was treated as subhuman by the doctors, who showed complete disregard for her. After the birth, her husband was so thrilled with the money that he decided to make her do it again. Luckily commercial surrogacy is illegal there now, but this clearly illustrates the ways in which surrogacy can be used to exploit women. Also, the average US surrogate isn't making anywhere near $100k. To put it charitably, you sound incredibly naive.

Why don’t you watch a documentary of how women are generally treated in India? They drown out their baby daughters and burn rape victims to death, too. Do you think this guy was an otherwise upstanding husband?

For some of these women, surrogacy opens a million doors and a lot of freedom. To put it charitably, you sound incredibly naive.

I'm Indian and I don't need to learn about women in India. You're also engaging in whataboutism again, which is completely illogical. Just because some poor women are exploited and abused in terrible ways certainly doesn't justify legalizing another way to exploit and abuse poor women exclusively. Luckily the Indian government is smarter than you and has banned commercial surrogacy, finding it unethical - like most of the world. Surrogacy isn't "opening doors" for poor women any more than prostitution. A year later, these surrogates aren't suddenly climbing the success ladder, going to college, or being boss girl.

As an Indian you should be ashamed of the caste system, of the slums, of the lack of public toilets and the many inherent elements of Indian culture which completely prevent a person from rising above their station at birth. But it’s a lot easier to rant about a fringe, niche surrogacy industry than it is to actually fix the numerous real problems in your country. I used to blame the British and colonialism, but after seeing how a lot of Indians see the world, I don’t anymore.

I’m not the PP but maybe if you don’t want to sound completely insane and entitled you should drop the racist personal attacks in your efforts to defend a grossly exploitative industry.

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Anonymous wrote:So you want to travel to some poor country and pay an impoverished woman to get pregnant and carry your child? That seems ethical to you?

Bet you pay impoverished women to produce your adorbz housewares and clothing all the time. Hypocrite.

You think producing clothing is the same effect on a body as carrying a child? Are you a man or something? No way a woman would compare these two.

Speak for yourself. I’m a woman and I’d much rather get well paid for being pregnant again than work for less than minimum wage in a factory.

How do we determine what is well paid to carry a pregnancy and birth a child?

OP is trying to cut corners and pay as little as possible by going to a poor country. How much is a bio child worth?

A biological child is priceless to me. I am thankful that fertility was a nonissue for me, but I know I would never adopt. DH has an adopted sister who has been nothing but a heartache for his family. She was adopted as a baby. She was treated with love and kindness, but became a nightmare in high school and it has never stopped. She is mentally ill, most likely inherited, and has repeated problems with drug abuse and the law and with running away. My in laws have done everything imaginable for her, but it’s useless. Sure, this can happen with a biological child, but it’s different when it does. My in laws feel burdened in a way that wouldn’t with a biological child.

OP isn’t trying to cut corners as you say. She says she has around $50,000 to $70,000 to spend on a surrogate. She is seeking to find one in a country where that is a lot more money than $200,000 is in the US. Do you know what kind of a difference $20,000, let alone $50,000 would make to a poor woman in India. It’s a shame this was outlawed there. The rich people in that country really do not care about the poor ones and will do anything to keep them down, under the guise of “protecting” them.

Do not pay attention to these trolls, OP! Good luck to you!!!

Youre probably (precisely) right that the rich in those countries dont care about the poor, and especially the poor women. But purposely seeking out a poor country to leverage your $ against someone elses body is gross. I don't love the idea of going to a poor country and waving your money around, looking to exploit someone. Basically buying a slave for 10 months (at least). Going to a poor country also means its more likely that the surrogate has less protections, may not be aware of any legal issues, etc. Much easier to take advantage of a poor impoverished woman from a developing nation rather than pay an appropriate market price for her body. Whatever that price is supposed to be.

A surrogate isn’t a slave. It’s offensive for you to equate the two. It’s not like anyone is kidnapped and forced to carry other people’s kids. It’s a CHOICE for the surrogates. No one is waving money around. OP doesn’t have $200,000. She has half that. That’s a lot of money for someone in most countries outside of the US, Canada, Israel, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Japan. It actually comes out to much more money for the surrogate.

Why are you deciding for other women how they can make money? I, for one, loved being pregnant. I would happily do it for money, especially if I needed some, but I’m in my late 40s and think that I’d be pushing it at this stage. I wouldn’t consider it selling my body. I’d consider it helping someone out and getting paid for it as a huge bonus.

Why is your opinion the only one that counts? Are you imagining yourself as Judge Judy?

NP. Many women have been forced and coerced into surrogacy. I watched a documentary about surrogates in India, and one man decided that his wife was going to be a surrogate to supplement his income. She was forced to stay away from her own child for the duration of her pregnancy and live in a baby mill. When she gave birth, she was treated as subhuman by the doctors, who showed complete disregard for her. After the birth, her husband was so thrilled with the money that he decided to make her do it again. Luckily commercial surrogacy is illegal there now, but this clearly illustrates the ways in which surrogacy can be used to exploit women. Also, the average US surrogate isn't making anywhere near $100k. To put it charitably, you sound incredibly naive.

Why don’t you watch a documentary of how women are generally treated in India? They drown out their baby daughters and burn rape victims to death, too. Do you think this guy was an otherwise upstanding husband?

For some of these women, surrogacy opens a million doors and a lot of freedom. To put it charitably, you sound incredibly naive.

I'm Indian and I don't need to learn about women in India. You're also engaging in whataboutism again, which is completely illogical. Just because some poor women are exploited and abused in terrible ways certainly doesn't justify legalizing another way to exploit and abuse poor women exclusively. Luckily the Indian government is smarter than you and has banned commercial surrogacy, finding it unethical - like most of the world. Surrogacy isn't "opening doors" for poor women any more than prostitution. A year later, these surrogates aren't suddenly climbing the success ladder, going to college, or being boss girl.

As an Indian you should be ashamed of the caste system, of the slums, of the lack of public toilets and the many inherent elements of Indian culture which completely prevent a person from rising above their station at birth. But it’s a lot easier to rant about a fringe, niche surrogacy industry than it is to actually fix the numerous real problems in your country. I used to blame the British and colonialism, but after seeing how a lot of Indians see the world, I don’t anymore.

Dp - those are all things to be ashamed of, but the US has many of the same. Dont you dare try and tell me there isnt a caste system in the US or lack of public toilets.

Caring about womens health and not wanting women forced into slave pregnancies from an exploitative industry should transcend countries of origin.

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Anonymous wrote:So you want to travel to some poor country and pay an impoverished woman to get pregnant and carry your child? That seems ethical to you?

Bet you pay impoverished women to produce your adorbz housewares and clothing all the time. Hypocrite.

You think producing clothing is the same effect on a body as carrying a child? Are you a man or something? No way a woman would compare these two.

Speak for yourself. I’m a woman and I’d much rather get well paid for being pregnant again than work for less than minimum wage in a factory.

How do we determine what is well paid to carry a pregnancy and birth a child?

OP is trying to cut corners and pay as little as possible by going to a poor country. How much is a bio child worth?

A biological child is priceless to me. I am thankful that fertility was a nonissue for me, but I know I would never adopt. DH has an adopted sister who has been nothing but a heartache for his family. She was adopted as a baby. She was treated with love and kindness, but became a nightmare in high school and it has never stopped. She is mentally ill, most likely inherited, and has repeated problems with drug abuse and the law and with running away. My in laws have done everything imaginable for her, but it’s useless. Sure, this can happen with a biological child, but it’s different when it does. My in laws feel burdened in a way that wouldn’t with a biological child.

OP isn’t trying to cut corners as you say. She says she has around $50,000 to $70,000 to spend on a surrogate. She is seeking to find one in a country where that is a lot more money than $200,000 is in the US. Do you know what kind of a difference $20,000, let alone $50,000 would make to a poor woman in India. It’s a shame this was outlawed there. The rich people in that country really do not care about the poor ones and will do anything to keep them down, under the guise of “protecting” them.

Do not pay attention to these trolls, OP! Good luck to you!!!

Youre probably (precisely) right that the rich in those countries dont care about the poor, and especially the poor women. But purposely seeking out a poor country to leverage your $ against someone elses body is gross. I don't love the idea of going to a poor country and waving your money around, looking to exploit someone. Basically buying a slave for 10 months (at least). Going to a poor country also means its more likely that the surrogate has less protections, may not be aware of any legal issues, etc. Much easier to take advantage of a poor impoverished woman from a developing nation rather than pay an appropriate market price for her body. Whatever that price is supposed to be.

A surrogate isn’t a slave. It’s offensive for you to equate the two. It’s not like anyone is kidnapped and forced to carry other people’s kids. It’s a CHOICE for the surrogates. No one is waving money around. OP doesn’t have $200,000. She has half that. That’s a lot of money for someone in most countries outside of the US, Canada, Israel, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Japan. It actually comes out to much more money for the surrogate.

Why are you deciding for other women how they can make money? I, for one, loved being pregnant. I would happily do it for money, especially if I needed some, but I’m in my late 40s and think that I’d be pushing it at this stage. I wouldn’t consider it selling my body. I’d consider it helping someone out and getting paid for it as a huge bonus.

Why is your opinion the only one that counts? Are you imagining yourself as Judge Judy?

NP. Many women have been forced and coerced into surrogacy. I watched a documentary about surrogates in India, and one man decided that his wife was going to be a surrogate to supplement his income. She was forced to stay away from her own child for the duration of her pregnancy and live in a baby mill. When she gave birth, she was treated as subhuman by the doctors, who showed complete disregard for her. After the birth, her husband was so thrilled with the money that he decided to make her do it again. Luckily commercial surrogacy is illegal there now, but this clearly illustrates the ways in which surrogacy can be used to exploit women. Also, the average US surrogate isn't making anywhere near $100k. To put it charitably, you sound incredibly naive.

Why don’t you watch a documentary of how women are generally treated in India? They drown out their baby daughters and burn rape victims to death, too. Do you think this guy was an otherwise upstanding husband?

For some of these women, surrogacy opens a million doors and a lot of freedom. To put it charitably, you sound incredibly naive.

I'm Indian and I don't need to learn about women in India. You're also engaging in whataboutism again, which is completely illogical. Just because some poor women are exploited and abused in terrible ways certainly doesn't justify legalizing another way to exploit and abuse poor women exclusively. Luckily the Indian government is smarter than you and has banned commercial surrogacy, finding it unethical - like most of the world. Surrogacy isn't "opening doors" for poor women any more than prostitution. A year later, these surrogates aren't suddenly climbing the success ladder, going to college, or being boss girl.

As an Indian you should be ashamed of the caste system, of the slums, of the lack of public toilets and the many inherent elements of Indian culture which completely prevent a person from rising above their station at birth. But it’s a lot easier to rant about a fringe, niche surrogacy industry than it is to actually fix the numerous real problems in your country. I used to blame the British and colonialism, but after seeing how a lot of Indians see the world, I don’t anymore.

I’m not the PP but maybe if you don’t want to sound completely insane and entitled you should drop the racist personal attacks in your efforts to defend a grossly exploitative industry.

So, the slums and the caste system are part of my racist imagination? It’s way more productive to focus on the few thousand women who used to make a decent living as surrogates rather than the millions upon millions of children who live in trash heaps. Better yet, let’s shout out “insane” and “racist” to anyone who notices the stupidity and the hypocrisy of it. The state of India makes total sense to me. Sorry if that offends you.

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Anonymous wrote:So you want to travel to some poor country and pay an impoverished woman to get pregnant and carry your child? That seems ethical to you?

Bet you pay impoverished women to produce your adorbz housewares and clothing all the time. Hypocrite.

You think producing clothing is the same effect on a body as carrying a child? Are you a man or something? No way a woman would compare these two.

Speak for yourself. I’m a woman and I’d much rather get well paid for being pregnant again than work for less than minimum wage in a factory.

How do we determine what is well paid to carry a pregnancy and birth a child?

OP is trying to cut corners and pay as little as possible by going to a poor country. How much is a bio child worth?

A biological child is priceless to me. I am thankful that fertility was a nonissue for me, but I know I would never adopt. DH has an adopted sister who has been nothing but a heartache for his family. She was adopted as a baby. She was treated with love and kindness, but became a nightmare in high school and it has never stopped. She is mentally ill, most likely inherited, and has repeated problems with drug abuse and the law and with running away. My in laws have done everything imaginable for her, but it’s useless. Sure, this can happen with a biological child, but it’s different when it does. My in laws feel burdened in a way that wouldn’t with a biological child.

OP isn’t trying to cut corners as you say. She says she has around $50,000 to $70,000 to spend on a surrogate. She is seeking to find one in a country where that is a lot more money than $200,000 is in the US. Do you know what kind of a difference $20,000, let alone $50,000 would make to a poor woman in India. It’s a shame this was outlawed there. The rich people in that country really do not care about the poor ones and will do anything to keep them down, under the guise of “protecting” them.

Do not pay attention to these trolls, OP! Good luck to you!!!

Youre probably (precisely) right that the rich in those countries dont care about the poor, and especially the poor women. But purposely seeking out a poor country to leverage your $ against someone elses body is gross. I don't love the idea of going to a poor country and waving your money around, looking to exploit someone. Basically buying a slave for 10 months (at least). Going to a poor country also means its more likely that the surrogate has less protections, may not be aware of any legal issues, etc. Much easier to take advantage of a poor impoverished woman from a developing nation rather than pay an appropriate market price for her body. Whatever that price is supposed to be.

A surrogate isn’t a slave. It’s offensive for you to equate the two. It’s not like anyone is kidnapped and forced to carry other people’s kids. It’s a CHOICE for the surrogates. No one is waving money around. OP doesn’t have $200,000. She has half that. That’s a lot of money for someone in most countries outside of the US, Canada, Israel, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Japan. It actually comes out to much more money for the surrogate.

Why are you deciding for other women how they can make money? I, for one, loved being pregnant. I would happily do it for money, especially if I needed some, but I’m in my late 40s and think that I’d be pushing it at this stage. I wouldn’t consider it selling my body. I’d consider it helping someone out and getting paid for it as a huge bonus.

Why is your opinion the only one that counts? Are you imagining yourself as Judge Judy?

NP. Many women have been forced and coerced into surrogacy. I watched a documentary about surrogates in India, and one man decided that his wife was going to be a surrogate to supplement his income. She was forced to stay away from her own child for the duration of her pregnancy and live in a baby mill. When she gave birth, she was treated as subhuman by the doctors, who showed complete disregard for her. After the birth, her husband was so thrilled with the money that he decided to make her do it again. Luckily commercial surrogacy is illegal there now, but this clearly illustrates the ways in which surrogacy can be used to exploit women. Also, the average US surrogate isn't making anywhere near $100k. To put it charitably, you sound incredibly naive.

Why don’t you watch a documentary of how women are generally treated in India? They drown out their baby daughters and burn rape victims to death, too. Do you think this guy was an otherwise upstanding husband?

For some of these women, surrogacy opens a million doors and a lot of freedom. To put it charitably, you sound incredibly naive.

I'm Indian and I don't need to learn about women in India. You're also engaging in whataboutism again, which is completely illogical. Just because some poor women are exploited and abused in terrible ways certainly doesn't justify legalizing another way to exploit and abuse poor women exclusively. Luckily the Indian government is smarter than you and has banned commercial surrogacy, finding it unethical - like most of the world. Surrogacy isn't "opening doors" for poor women any more than prostitution. A year later, these surrogates aren't suddenly climbing the success ladder, going to college, or being boss girl.

As an Indian you should be ashamed of the caste system, of the slums, of the lack of public toilets and the many inherent elements of Indian culture which completely prevent a person from rising above their station at birth. But it’s a lot easier to rant about a fringe, niche surrogacy industry than it is to actually fix the numerous real problems in your country. I used to blame the British and colonialism, but after seeing how a lot of Indians see the world, I don’t anymore.

I’m not the PP but maybe if you don’t want to sound completely insane and entitled you should drop the racist personal attacks in your efforts to defend a grossly exploitative industry.

So, the slums and the caste system are part of my racist imagination? It’s way more productive to focus on the few thousand women who used to make a decent living as surrogates rather than the millions upon millions of children who live in trash heaps. Better yet, let’s shout out “insane” and “racist” to anyone who notices the stupidity and the hypocrisy of it. The state of India makes total sense to me. Sorry if that offends you.

Odd to run into one of the openly anti-Indian racists Jeff has to regularly delete on this site. I have wondered before what’s wrong with people like you.

In any event, with rabid racists like you defending surrogacy, the people pointing out how unethical it is don’t have to do any work. You are doing their work for them. Just keep posting and we can all see the kind of people who defend surrogacy. You are being left behind, anyhow. Countries are increasingly banning the practice because of how unethical it is.

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Anonymous wrote:So you want to travel to some poor country and pay an impoverished woman to get pregnant and carry your child? That seems ethical to you?

Bet you pay impoverished women to produce your adorbz housewares and clothing all the time. Hypocrite.

You think producing clothing is the same effect on a body as carrying a child? Are you a man or something? No way a woman would compare these two.

Speak for yourself. I’m a woman and I’d much rather get well paid for being pregnant again than work for less than minimum wage in a factory.

How do we determine what is well paid to carry a pregnancy and birth a child?

OP is trying to cut corners and pay as little as possible by going to a poor country. How much is a bio child worth?

A biological child is priceless to me. I am thankful that fertility was a nonissue for me, but I know I would never adopt. DH has an adopted sister who has been nothing but a heartache for his family. She was adopted as a baby. She was treated with love and kindness, but became a nightmare in high school and it has never stopped. She is mentally ill, most likely inherited, and has repeated problems with drug abuse and the law and with running away. My in laws have done everything imaginable for her, but it’s useless. Sure, this can happen with a biological child, but it’s different when it does. My in laws feel burdened in a way that wouldn’t with a biological child.

OP isn’t trying to cut corners as you say. She says she has around $50,000 to $70,000 to spend on a surrogate. She is seeking to find one in a country where that is a lot more money than $200,000 is in the US. Do you know what kind of a difference $20,000, let alone $50,000 would make to a poor woman in India. It’s a shame this was outlawed there. The rich people in that country really do not care about the poor ones and will do anything to keep them down, under the guise of “protecting” them.

Do not pay attention to these trolls, OP! Good luck to you!!!

Youre probably (precisely) right that the rich in those countries dont care about the poor, and especially the poor women. But purposely seeking out a poor country to leverage your $ against someone elses body is gross. I don't love the idea of going to a poor country and waving your money around, looking to exploit someone. Basically buying a slave for 10 months (at least). Going to a poor country also means its more likely that the surrogate has less protections, may not be aware of any legal issues, etc. Much easier to take advantage of a poor impoverished woman from a developing nation rather than pay an appropriate market price for her body. Whatever that price is supposed to be.

A surrogate isn’t a slave. It’s offensive for you to equate the two. It’s not like anyone is kidnapped and forced to carry other people’s kids. It’s a CHOICE for the surrogates. No one is waving money around. OP doesn’t have $200,000. She has half that. That’s a lot of money for someone in most countries outside of the US, Canada, Israel, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Japan. It actually comes out to much more money for the surrogate.

Why are you deciding for other women how they can make money? I, for one, loved being pregnant. I would happily do it for money, especially if I needed some, but I’m in my late 40s and think that I’d be pushing it at this stage. I wouldn’t consider it selling my body. I’d consider it helping someone out and getting paid for it as a huge bonus.

Why is your opinion the only one that counts? Are you imagining yourself as Judge Judy?

NP. Many women have been forced and coerced into surrogacy. I watched a documentary about surrogates in India, and one man decided that his wife was going to be a surrogate to supplement his income. She was forced to stay away from her own child for the duration of her pregnancy and live in a baby mill. When she gave birth, she was treated as subhuman by the doctors, who showed complete disregard for her. After the birth, her husband was so thrilled with the money that he decided to make her do it again. Luckily commercial surrogacy is illegal there now, but this clearly illustrates the ways in which surrogacy can be used to exploit women. Also, the average US surrogate isn't making anywhere near $100k. To put it charitably, you sound incredibly naive.

Why don’t you watch a documentary of how women are generally treated in India? They drown out their baby daughters and burn rape victims to death, too. Do you think this guy was an otherwise upstanding husband?

For some of these women, surrogacy opens a million doors and a lot of freedom. To put it charitably, you sound incredibly naive.

I'm Indian and I don't need to learn about women in India. You're also engaging in whataboutism again, which is completely illogical. Just because some poor women are exploited and abused in terrible ways certainly doesn't justify legalizing another way to exploit and abuse poor women exclusively. Luckily the Indian government is smarter than you and has banned commercial surrogacy, finding it unethical - like most of the world. Surrogacy isn't "opening doors" for poor women any more than prostitution. A year later, these surrogates aren't suddenly climbing the success ladder, going to college, or being boss girl.

As an Indian you should be ashamed of the caste system, of the slums, of the lack of public toilets and the many inherent elements of Indian culture which completely prevent a person from rising above their station at birth. But it’s a lot easier to rant about a fringe, niche surrogacy industry than it is to actually fix the numerous real problems in your country. I used to blame the British and colonialism, but after seeing how a lot of Indians see the world, I don’t anymore.

I’m not the PP but maybe if you don’t want to sound completely insane and entitled you should drop the racist personal attacks in your efforts to defend a grossly exploitative industry.

So, the slums and the caste system are part of my racist imagination? It’s way more productive to focus on the few thousand women who used to make a decent living as surrogates rather than the millions upon millions of children who live in trash heaps. Better yet, let’s shout out “insane” and “racist” to anyone who notices the stupidity and the hypocrisy of it. The state of India makes total sense to me. Sorry if that offends you.

Odd to run into one of the openly anti-Indian racists Jeff has to regularly delete on this site. I have wondered before what’s wrong with people like you.

In any event, with rabid racists like you defending surrogacy, the people pointing out how unethical it is don’t have to do any work. You are doing their work for them. Just keep posting and we can all see the kind of people who defend surrogacy. You are being left behind, anyhow. Countries are increasingly banning the practice because of how unethical it is.

I am not an anti-Indian. I have never commented about Indians at all, especially not on this site. I’m just astounded hoe anyone could focus on a niche industry affecting a few thousand, when there are far more serious issues affecting many millions. That’s a complete lack of basic executive functioning, like cleaning out your sock drawer while your house is on fire. But go ahead and call me a racist. Surrogacy is now illegal, but life in India isn’t getting any better for the kids in the slums. Feel better?