Leaked training shows teachers being directed to allow gender & name changes without parent consent, transitioning?

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Anonymous wrote:This seems like a huge time waster. Just call the kid whatever is on the school record. If the kid complains, send a note home to the parent about how to change it. And that's it. No more thought required.

what a waste of time for the teacher THAT would be!

if jonathan wants to be called jon, call him jon.
if margaret wants to be called peggy, ok!
if julie wants to be called jo -- yes!
if mark wants to be called may, ok!

why do the teachers have to ask the parents?!?! call the kid the name they want!!

A boy in DC's class wanted teacher to call him using a different name, which is also a male's name, when the teacher asked the class to let her know if any students wanted her to use a different name or pronouns and not let the parents know. The teacher refused. It's still a boy's name. FCPS made this policy for a specific purpose, not to help students figuring out their identity generally.

[Anonymous]

So is this whole thing just misinformation from an ignorant OP who confused their personal opinion with the state law?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Recently leaked FCPS training documents reveal a policy that suggests withholding information about gender and name changes from parents. While the intention might be to respect students' choices, I find it deeply unsettling that parental involvement could potentially be overlooked.

What adds to my concern is that this approach appears to directly conflict with the guidelines laid out by the Virginia Department of Education (VDOE). According to VDOE, parental consent is a critical aspect of any gender change decision for students. This discrepancy between FCPS's approach and state regulations is disconcerting and should be addressed promptly.

In light of this situation, I strongly urge FCPS to reassess its training approach and align it with VDOE laws. Furthermore, I believe it's important for the school system to take proactive steps in educating parents about social issues. By fostering open dialogues and providing resources, we can ensure that parents are well-informed and involved in their children's lives while respecting students' autonomy.

Let's come together as a community to voice our concerns and advocate for a more balanced and respectful approach that upholds both student privacy and parental rights.

https://wjla.com/news/local/glenn-youngkin-slams-fairfax-county-school-policy-that-says-parental-participation-is-not-required-for-gender-transitions-michigan-regulation-2603-jason-miyares


"New training materials for teachers in Fairfax County Public Schools show students can change their name and pronouns on school documents without parental consent. The documents obtained by Fox News show slides instructing teachers to allow students to change their pronouns in class, on official records, and use locker rooms and bathrooms in line with their chosen gender.

"Students will receive diplomas and transcripts with both the legal and chosen name," according to one slide. "Parental permission is not required" is listed directly underneath the bullet."

I've seen it said here and I agree . . . . this should be student led, not parent led. If the student is not telling their parents, there is a reason for that. And not a good one. Simple disagreement, assuming the best of intentions, should not be good enough to override the child's wishes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m 41 year old male, graduated from Woodson high school class of 1999, not once did I hear a teacher teach us pronouns, not once did I have a teacher tells us about their sexuality or what they did in the bedroom….:
My DS is a freshman and his teacher told the class that he went on a cruise with his husband doing summer break, everyone loord at my son weird because he laughed when the teacher said husband….

Your son was very rude. He can be anti-gay all he wants in his head, but he cannot express any antipathy out loud.


But I hope you're a troll.

+1
If the pp isn’t a troll then that’s very sad. The teacher didn’t “tell the class about their sexuality” or what they did “in the bedroom”. The teacher did nothing wrong. The obnoxious child did.

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https://www.fcps.edu/lgbtqia

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Recently leaked FCPS training documents reveal a policy that suggests withholding information about gender and name changes from parents. While the intention might be to respect students' choices, I find it deeply unsettling that parental involvement could potentially be overlooked.

What adds to my concern is that this approach appears to directly conflict with the guidelines laid out by the Virginia Department of Education (VDOE). According to VDOE, parental consent is a critical aspect of any gender change decision for students. This discrepancy between FCPS's approach and state regulations is disconcerting and should be addressed promptly.

In light of this situation, I strongly urge FCPS to reassess its training approach and align it with VDOE laws. Furthermore, I believe it's important for the school system to take proactive steps in educating parents about social issues. By fostering open dialogues and providing resources, we can ensure that parents are well-informed and involved in their children's lives while respecting students' autonomy.

Let's come together as a community to voice our concerns and advocate for a more balanced and respectful approach that upholds both student privacy and parental rights.

https://wjla.com/news/local/glenn-youngkin-slams-fairfax-county-school-policy-that-says-parental-participation-is-not-required-for-gender-transitions-michigan-regulation-2603-jason-miyares


"New training materials for teachers in Fairfax County Public Schools show students can change their name and pronouns on school documents without parental consent. The documents obtained by Fox News show slides instructing teachers to allow students to change their pronouns in class, on official records, and use locker rooms and bathrooms in line with their chosen gender.

"Students will receive diplomas and transcripts with both the legal and chosen name," according to one slide. "Parental permission is not required" is listed directly underneath the bullet."

I've seen it said here and I agree . . . . this should be student led, not parent led. If the student is not telling their parents, there is a reason for that. And not a good one. Simple disagreement, assuming the best of intentions, should not be good enough to override the child's wishes.

Parents should be informed unless the child is 18.

Regarding this policy--at what age does this "kick in?" K? 6?

DS had a friend who wore Zorro costume constantly when he was 5. Could he demand to be called "Zorro?" By the way, his mom did not run to the court to get his name changed.

I can see middle school boys requesting a new nickname every day.

Did FCPS do the "what could go wrong?" test?

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Anonymous wrote:If you are learning about your child’s gender or sexual orientation from school instead of from your child, you have failed as a parent.

Instead of taking your anger out by bullying teachers, consider channeling that energy into family counseling. With real therapist. Not a religious leader or church recommend counselor.

Say that louder for the people in the back. Can you imagine being so afraid of your parents' disapproval that you keep them in the dark about something like this? Your kid's name change is the least of your problems.

Kids who are terminally online are told to expect their parents to be unsupportive. Any questioning by a parent can be seen as a rejection. I think you’re misunderstanding the messaging kids are getting today if you think their reluctance to share these feelings with a parent is strictly a result of something the parents did or didn’t do.

Parents who allow their kids to be terminally online need to make some adjustments and talk to their kids.

You can and should regulate your kids internet usage. But kids are getting hugely misleading messaging on the whole trans subjects from adults who absorb this nonsense. BTW it’s mostly girls falling victim, not boys, although they certainly get some bad messaging too. It all stems from puberty. It’s harder on girls than boys and it’s always been an uncomfortable process. When we were kids we got an assurance that everything was normal, if unpleasant, and maybe a doctors appointment and a prescription for birth control from a particularly sympathetic mom if our young periods were really causing a lot of problems. Now, a girl who expresses discomfort around puberty is automatically bombarded with “could you be trans???” Messages from not just other kids, but adults too, who have absorbed the message of “anyone who is vaguely uncomfortable with their changing body is uncomfortable from a standpoint of gender dysphoria and if you question it you’re a bigot.” And it needs to be pushed back on because 1) it’s not mentally healthy and 2) some of the changes aren’t permanent, like using a different name or pronouns or dressing in a certain way and a kid will look back on it in their mid-20s and laugh at a cringe phase, but some of them DO have long lasting effects even if a kid later decides they aren’t trans at all.

It’s concerning. Girls are basically deciding it’s so unpleasant to be a woman that they’re going to try anything they can NOT to be one.

Wow. In what universe is this happening? Let's just play make believe and pretend like all the girls are trying to escape their fate. In this make believe world, shouldn't the adults get their s$% together and make the world an amazing place to be a woman?

Definitely! It would be truly revolutionary and amazing if we could make the world an amazing place for women! But it never has been and won’t become such a world in the foreseeable future. So, for now, let the adults talk about rapid onset gender dysphoria (ROGD) which, yes, primarily impacts young girls. Do none of you even know any children?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This seems like a huge time waster. Just call the kid whatever is on the school record. If the kid complains, send a note home to the parent about how to change it. And that's it. No more thought required.

I have a student that they are happy to be at school, because its a place where they can be called what ever they want.. Its cost $0.00 to call them by their nick name and not use their dead name.... Only time we have to use the dead name is if we ever have to call home or when writing IEPS..

LOL @ "dead name". You really drank the Kool Aid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are learning about your child’s gender or sexual orientation from school instead of from your child, you have failed as a parent.

Instead of taking your anger out by bullying teachers, consider channeling that energy into family counseling. With real therapist. Not a religious leader or church recommend counselor.

Say that louder for the people in the back. Can you imagine being so afraid of your parents' disapproval that you keep them in the dark about something like this? Your kid's name change is the least of your problems.

Kids who are terminally online are told to expect their parents to be unsupportive. Any questioning by a parent can be seen as a rejection. I think you’re misunderstanding the messaging kids are getting today if you think their reluctance to share these feelings with a parent is strictly a result of something the parents did or didn’t do.

Parents who allow their kids to be terminally online need to make some adjustments and talk to their kids.

You can and should regulate your kids internet usage. But kids are getting hugely misleading messaging on the whole trans subjects from adults who absorb this nonsense. BTW it’s mostly girls falling victim, not boys, although they certainly get some bad messaging too. It all stems from puberty. It’s harder on girls than boys and it’s always been an uncomfortable process. When we were kids we got an assurance that everything was normal, if unpleasant, and maybe a doctors appointment and a prescription for birth control from a particularly sympathetic mom if our young periods were really causing a lot of problems. Now, a girl who expresses discomfort around puberty is automatically bombarded with “could you be trans???” Messages from not just other kids, but adults too, who have absorbed the message of “anyone who is vaguely uncomfortable with their changing body is uncomfortable from a standpoint of gender dysphoria and if you question it you’re a bigot.” And it needs to be pushed back on because 1) it’s not mentally healthy and 2) some of the changes aren’t permanent, like using a different name or pronouns or dressing in a certain way and a kid will look back on it in their mid-20s and laugh at a cringe phase, but some of them DO have long lasting effects even if a kid later decides they aren’t trans at all.

It’s concerning. Girls are basically deciding it’s so unpleasant to be a woman that they’re going to try anything they can NOT to be one.

Wow. In what universe is this happening? Let's just play make believe and pretend like all the girls are trying to escape their fate. In this make believe world, shouldn't the adults get their s$% together and make the world an amazing place to be a woman?

Definitely! It would be truly revolutionary and amazing if we could make the world an amazing place for women! But it never has been and won’t become such a world in the foreseeable future. So, for now, let the adults talk about rapid onset gender dysphoria (ROGD) which, yes, primarily impacts young girls. Do none of you even know any children?

Isn't this exceptionally rare?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/evidence-undermines-rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria-claims/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This seems like a huge time waster. Just call the kid whatever is on the school record. If the kid complains, send a note home to the parent about how to change it. And that's it. No more thought required.

I have a student that they are happy to be at school, because its a place where they can be called what ever they want.. Its cost $0.00 to call them by their nick name and not use their dead name.... Only time we have to use the dead name is if we ever have to call home or when writing IEPS..

LOL @ "dead name". You really drank the Kool Aid.

+1. Get your kids out of public schools. This is who they are being “taught” by.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This seems like a huge time waster. Just call the kid whatever is on the school record. If the kid complains, send a note home to the parent about how to change it. And that's it. No more thought required.

I have a student that they are happy to be at school, because its a place where they can be called what ever they want.. Its cost $0.00 to call them by their nick name and not use their dead name.... Only time we have to use the dead name is if we ever have to call home or when writing IEPS..

LOL @ "dead name". You really drank the Kool Aid.

+1. Get your kids out of public schools. This is who they are being “taught” by.

+1000

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This seems like a huge time waster. Just call the kid whatever is on the school record. If the kid complains, send a note home to the parent about how to change it. And that's it. No more thought required.

I have a student that they are happy to be at school, because its a place where they can be called what ever they want.. Its cost $0.00 to call them by their nick name and not use their dead name.... Only time we have to use the dead name is if we ever have to call home or when writing IEPS..

LOL @ "dead name". You really drank the Kool Aid.

+1. Get your kids out of public schools. This is who they are being “taught” by.

This is the first we’ve ever heard the phrase “dead name”.

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[Anonymous]

Who cares. I want my kids to be globally competitive in STEM.

I have zero bandwidth for these kinds of social engineering. Give humans their human rights. More than that is not required.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This seems like a huge time waster. Just call the kid whatever is on the school record. If the kid complains, send a note home to the parent about how to change it. And that's it. No more thought required.

I have a student that they are happy to be at school, because its a place where they can be called what ever they want.. Its cost $0.00 to call them by their nick name and not use their dead name.... Only time we have to use the dead name is if we ever have to call home or when writing IEPS..

LOL @ "dead name". You really drank the Kool Aid.

+1. Get your kids out of public schools. This is who they are being “taught” by.

This is the first we’ve ever heard the phrase “dead name”.

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Oh well gee. I feel so much better now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This seems like a huge time waster. Just call the kid whatever is on the school record. If the kid complains, send a note home to the parent about how to change it. And that's it. No more thought required.

I have a student that they are happy to be at school, because its a place where they can be called what ever they want.. Its cost $0.00 to call them by their nick name and not use their dead name.... Only time we have to use the dead name is if we ever have to call home or when writing IEPS..

LOL @ "dead name". You really drank the Kool Aid.

+1. Get your kids out of public schools. This is who they are being “taught” by.

This is the first we’ve ever heard the phrase “dead name”.

2 Teachers

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