Leaked training shows teachers being directed to allow gender & name changes without parent consent, transitioning?

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Anonymous wrote:I SEE LITERALLY NOTHING ABOUT GENDER CHANGE ON THAT NAME. ARE YOU SAYING DANIEL NEEDS MOMMY'S PERMISSION TO GO BY DAN OR DANNY AT SCHOOL? ALEXIS IS NOT ALLOWED TO BE CALLED LEXI BECAUSE DADDY IS WORRIED BOYS WILL CALL HER SEXY LEXY???

OH NO!!! WHATEVER WILL WE DO!!!

Ever heard of nicknames? Dan and Danny are short for Daniel, and commonly used as its corresponding nicknames. Lexi, the same for Alexis. When hearing their kids called by those nicknames, any parent would realize they are referring to their kids. Of course, you already know that.

Now, if Daniel is called Ana or Jane in front of them; and Alexis John or Daniel, their parents would have no clue they are referring to their kids. That is deceiving, plain and simple. And when that happens, kids are being taught and encouraged to deceive/lie to their parents by the same people the parents entrust their kids to. What adult would be comfortable and consent to be a part of it? I certainly hope there are some courageous School staff refusing to do so.

Yes. The state guidance allows for the use of commonly used nicknames as you mentioned. What happens when Anh wants to be called Lily or Ye-jun wants to by called Johnny? They aren't commonly related to their first names and aren't in their official record. The school is going to have to get special permission from those parents?

Yes.

Then I agree with the pp who said it's unnecessary and a lot of extra for the teachers and admin to have to keep track of.

Right. The teachers will just call them by the names on the forms filled out and approved by the parents at the start of the year. Nothing to track.

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Anonymous wrote:The recent revelations regarding FCPS's training materials and their potential violations of state laws have ignited heated discussions, and it's evident that many of us are deeply concerned about the situation. As we delve into this matter, let's explore the potential legal consequences that could extend to the school board and Superintendent Reid.

When we address possible violations of state laws, we need to consider the comprehensive nature of these laws. Compliance involves not only adhering to the literal text but also embracing the principles and intentions behind them. This is where concerns about failing to seek parental consent for significant decisions such as gender changes may come into play, potentially violating the comprehensive spirit of the law.

Some members have suggested that these actions could warrant criminal charges. It's important to approach this possibility with caution, recognizing the legal system's role in determining culpability and consequences. Claims of potential criminal charges should be thoroughly examined within the legal framework.

What we can and should demand is accountability for all parties involved, including the school board and Superintendent Reid, who are instrumental in proposing and implementing these policies. This situation underscores the need for transparency, accountability, and a commitment to following the law.

Let's continue our discussions while keeping in mind the potential legal implications and the importance of finding a constructive path forward. What are your thoughts on the potential legal consequences for the school board and Superintendent Reid, and how can we ensure accountability while respecting due process?

Completely agree. I would add to consider complete liability to be compelled to comply to each member of the current School Board, and the Superintendent to pay damages to the plaintiffs that will sue FCPS. Law suits are coming for sure, and tax payers shouldn’t be responsible for that.

Taxpayers should not be responsible for all the crap you are all doing--why are you wrecking our schools with all of these lawsuits? Pointless.

Your question is addressed to the FCPS School Board and Superintendent, right?

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One of our school board candidates is dining out on this. She is a bigoted nut. This is such a small deal and a distraction from all the many more important things facing schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Recently leaked FCPS training documents reveal a policy that suggests withholding information about gender and name changes from parents. While the intention might be to respect students' choices, I find it deeply unsettling that parental involvement could potentially be overlooked.

What adds to my concern is that this approach appears to directly conflict with the guidelines laid out by the Virginia Department of Education (VDOE). According to VDOE, parental consent is a critical aspect of any gender change decision for students. This discrepancy between FCPS's approach and state regulations is disconcerting and should be addressed promptly.

In light of this situation, I strongly urge FCPS to reassess its training approach and align it with VDOE laws. Furthermore, I believe it's important for the school system to take proactive steps in educating parents about social issues. By fostering open dialogues and providing resources, we can ensure that parents are well-informed and involved in their children's lives while respecting students' autonomy.

Let's come together as a community to voice our concerns and advocate for a more balanced and respectful approach that upholds both student privacy and parental rights.

https://wjla.com/news/local/glenn-youngkin-slams-fairfax-county-school-policy-that-says-parental-participation-is-not-required-for-gender-transitions-michigan-regulation-2603-jason-miyares


"New training materials for teachers in Fairfax County Public Schools show students can change their name and pronouns on school documents without parental consent. The documents obtained by Fox News show slides instructing teachers to allow students to change their pronouns in class, on official records, and use locker rooms and bathrooms in line with their chosen gender.

"Students will receive diplomas and transcripts with both the legal and chosen name," according to one slide. "Parental permission is not required" is listed directly underneath the bullet."

"Leaked" training materials. Uh huh. Sure. You liars never stop, do you?

I understand that emotions can run high in discussions like these. However, it's important to engage in respectful and productive conversations. Let's address the concerns raised while focusing on constructive dialogue.

Regarding the assertion that the training materials were "leaked," it's worth noting that credible sources have reported on these materials. The purpose of discussing these issues is not to deceive, but to analyze and understand the potential implications they might have.

While skepticism is valid, let's keep in mind that a productive discussion can lead to a better understanding of the situation. Dismissing the concerns without careful consideration could hinder progress in addressing complex matters that impact our community.

Moreover, the recent elections, including Governor Youngkin's victory, reflect the significance of parental involvement in educational matters. Recognizing the importance of parental input in social and emotional aspects of education is crucial. The collaborative efforts of schools and parents can lead to more well-rounded educational experiences for our children.

Let's uphold a respectful dialogue that encourages diverse viewpoints and allows us to engage in meaningful discussions that benefit our community as a whole.

[Anonymous]

It's crucial for schools to adhere to the state laws consistently, regardless of their personal beliefs. The recent situation with FCPS's training materials raises questions about this very issue. It's concerning when an educational institution selectively decides which state laws to follow or not.

We've seen instances where the school board advocates for strict adherence to state laws, particularly in matters like masks and school closures. This makes the current situation even more perplexing. If the school board upholds the importance of following state laws in certain scenarios, shouldn't they uphold the same principle across the board?

The well-being of our students depends on transparency, accountability, and the consistent application of laws. Parents play a critical role in the education of their children, and it's vital that schools respect their rights and opinions. Let's continue discussing this issue to ensure that our educational institutions remain accountable to the values they profess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's crucial for schools to adhere to the state laws consistently, regardless of their personal beliefs. The recent situation with FCPS's training materials raises questions about this very issue. It's concerning when an educational institution selectively decides which state laws to follow or not.

We've seen instances where the school board advocates for strict adherence to state laws, particularly in matters like masks and school closures. This makes the current situation even more perplexing. If the school board upholds the importance of following state laws in certain scenarios, shouldn't they uphold the same principle across the board?

The well-being of our students depends on transparency, accountability, and the consistent application of laws. Parents play a critical role in the education of their children, and it's vital that schools respect their rights and opinions. Let's continue discussing this issue to ensure that our educational institutions remain accountable to the values they profess.

What if federal laws trump state laws?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:God I just want to quit and it has been 7 days.

I’m in a neighboring county, but I’m right there with you. I’m not sure I’ll make it to the end of the year. For 20 years, I’ve made it to March before the extreme exhaustion sets in. We just started and I’m already feeling it. I used to LOVE this job. Now it makes me miserable.

Ugh. I'm a parent and I'm sorry to hear this. What can parents do? I want the teachers who love teaching to stay---my kids get so much value from them. Every year it's the teachers that make a subject come alive for my kids--their favorite classes are always more about the teachers than the subject material.

I’m the PP. The students are the best part of the job to me. They don’t bring the profession down. That’s happening because of extreme micromanagement (and mismanagement) coming from above. A friend leaving teaching told me she thinks teachers don’t leave students; they leave bad administrations. I agree! If I had stronger leadership, I could serve my students better. As it stands, leadership adds more work to my plate every week and most of it borders between unnecessary and harmful.

Just being supportive is a lot! We don’t always feel support, so your post above was already helpful.

Yes, thanks for those thoughts. I have taught since 2000 and love to be with the kids, but the fact that what was once a split second decision (calling a kid by the name they asked us to call them) now is up for debate on a local and national political stage (not to mention 9 pages and multiple threads on SCUM) is exhausting. We make THOUSANDS of decisions each day and just the basics of “Yes, Johanna” is now up for constant debate is mind numbing. And yes, we need to flash through this mini debate with ourselves as we are trying to make sure all the kids understood a question, are paying attention, put their phones away, and other general classroom management and content issues.
i guess at least the tip line isn’t running anymore (right?)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Recently leaked FCPS training documents reveal a policy that suggests withholding information about gender and name changes from parents. While the intention might be to respect students' choices, I find it deeply unsettling that parental involvement could potentially be overlooked.

What adds to my concern is that this approach appears to directly conflict with the guidelines laid out by the Virginia Department of Education (VDOE). According to VDOE, parental consent is a critical aspect of any gender change decision for students. This discrepancy between FCPS's approach and state regulations is disconcerting and should be addressed promptly.

In light of this situation, I strongly urge FCPS to reassess its training approach and align it with VDOE laws. Furthermore, I believe it's important for the school system to take proactive steps in educating parents about social issues. By fostering open dialogues and providing resources, we can ensure that parents are well-informed and involved in their children's lives while respecting students' autonomy.

Let's come together as a community to voice our concerns and advocate for a more balanced and respectful approach that upholds both student privacy and parental rights.

https://wjla.com/news/local/glenn-youngkin-slams-fairfax-county-school-policy-that-says-parental-participation-is-not-required-for-gender-transitions-michigan-regulation-2603-jason-miyares


"New training materials for teachers in Fairfax County Public Schools show students can change their name and pronouns on school documents without parental consent. The documents obtained by Fox News show slides instructing teachers to allow students to change their pronouns in class, on official records, and use locker rooms and bathrooms in line with their chosen gender.

"Students will receive diplomas and transcripts with both the legal and chosen name," according to one slide. "Parental permission is not required" is listed directly underneath the bullet."

"Leaked" training materials. Uh huh. Sure. You liars never stop, do you?

I understand that emotions can run high in discussions like these. However, it's important to engage in respectful and productive conversations. Let's address the concerns raised while focusing on constructive dialogue.

Regarding the assertion that the training materials were "leaked," it's worth noting that credible sources have reported on these materials. The purpose of discussing these issues is not to deceive, but to analyze and understand the potential implications they might have.

While skepticism is valid, let's keep in mind that a productive discussion can lead to a better understanding of the situation. Dismissing the concerns without careful consideration could hinder progress in addressing complex matters that impact our community.

Moreover, the recent elections, including Governor Youngkin's victory, reflect the significance of parental involvement in educational matters. Recognizing the importance of parental input in social and emotional aspects of education is crucial. The collaborative efforts of schools and parents can lead to more well-rounded educational experiences for our children.

Let's uphold a respectful dialogue that encourages diverse viewpoints and allows us to engage in meaningful discussions that benefit our community as a whole.

Chat GPT has entered the conversation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Recently leaked FCPS training documents reveal a policy that suggests withholding information about gender and name changes from parents. While the intention might be to respect students' choices, I find it deeply unsettling that parental involvement could potentially be overlooked.

What adds to my concern is that this approach appears to directly conflict with the guidelines laid out by the Virginia Department of Education (VDOE). According to VDOE, parental consent is a critical aspect of any gender change decision for students. This discrepancy between FCPS's approach and state regulations is disconcerting and should be addressed promptly.

In light of this situation, I strongly urge FCPS to reassess its training approach and align it with VDOE laws. Furthermore, I believe it's important for the school system to take proactive steps in educating parents about social issues. By fostering open dialogues and providing resources, we can ensure that parents are well-informed and involved in their children's lives while respecting students' autonomy.

Let's come together as a community to voice our concerns and advocate for a more balanced and respectful approach that upholds both student privacy and parental rights.

https://wjla.com/news/local/glenn-youngkin-slams-fairfax-county-school-policy-that-says-parental-participation-is-not-required-for-gender-transitions-michigan-regulation-2603-jason-miyares


"New training materials for teachers in Fairfax County Public Schools show students can change their name and pronouns on school documents without parental consent. The documents obtained by Fox News show slides instructing teachers to allow students to change their pronouns in class, on official records, and use locker rooms and bathrooms in line with their chosen gender.

"Students will receive diplomas and transcripts with both the legal and chosen name," according to one slide. "Parental permission is not required" is listed directly underneath the bullet."

"Leaked" training materials. Uh huh. Sure. You liars never stop, do you?

I understand that emotions can run high in discussions like these. However, it's important to engage in respectful and productive conversations. Let's address the concerns raised while focusing on constructive dialogue.

Regarding the assertion that the training materials were "leaked," it's worth noting that credible sources have reported on these materials. The purpose of discussing these issues is not to deceive, but to analyze and understand the potential implications they might have.

While skepticism is valid, let's keep in mind that a productive discussion can lead to a better understanding of the situation. Dismissing the concerns without careful consideration could hinder progress in addressing complex matters that impact our community.

Moreover, the recent elections, including Governor Youngkin's victory, reflect the significance of parental involvement in educational matters. Recognizing the importance of parental input in social and emotional aspects of education is crucial. The collaborative efforts of schools and parents can lead to more well-rounded educational experiences for our children.

Let's uphold a respectful dialogue that encourages diverse viewpoints and allows us to engage in meaningful discussions that benefit our community as a whole.

Or, it reflects the ability of Youngkin (using sites like this one) to drum up support for anti-woke issues. Did you read the NYtimes article about LCPS and the sexual assault case. It was pretty interesting and twisting that story is how Youngkin won.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm of the opinion that once you elect to go to a public school that the school and the teacher, with all of their training and expertise, should have ultimate control over your child.

Yes, Terry McAuliffe, we heard you at the debate. How did that work out for you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I SEE LITERALLY NOTHING ABOUT GENDER CHANGE ON THAT NAME. ARE YOU SAYING DANIEL NEEDS MOMMY'S PERMISSION TO GO BY DAN OR DANNY AT SCHOOL? ALEXIS IS NOT ALLOWED TO BE CALLED LEXI BECAUSE DADDY IS WORRIED BOYS WILL CALL HER SEXY LEXY???

OH NO!!! WHATEVER WILL WE DO!!!

Ever heard of nicknames? Dan and Danny are short for Daniel, and commonly used as its corresponding nicknames. Lexi, the same for Alexis. When hearing their kids called by those nicknames, any parent would realize they are referring to their kids. Of course, you already know that.

Now, if Daniel is called Ana or Jane in front of them; and Alexis John or Daniel, their parents would have no clue they are referring to their kids. That is deceiving, plain and simple. And when that happens, kids are being taught and encouraged to deceive/lie to their parents by the same people the parents entrust their kids to. What adult would be comfortable and consent to be a part of it? I certainly hope there are some courageous School staff refusing to do so.

Yes. The state guidance allows for the use of commonly used nicknames as you mentioned. What happens when Anh wants to be called Lily or Ye-jun wants to by called Johnny? They aren't commonly related to their first names and aren't in their official record. The school is going to have to get special permission from those parents?

It depends on if these nicknames develop a new persona, or if by assigning the student a sex marker different that the one registered at school (as per the birth certificate and the parents’ acknowledgement) these nicknames are creating a different individual altogether. If it’s the latter, parents definitely need to be involved. School staff has no business keeping parents in the dark.

How familiar are you with Sage’s Law?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's crucial for schools to adhere to the state laws consistently, regardless of their personal beliefs. The recent situation with FCPS's training materials raises questions about this very issue. It's concerning when an educational institution selectively decides which state laws to follow or not.

We've seen instances where the school board advocates for strict adherence to state laws, particularly in matters like masks and school closures. This makes the current situation even more perplexing. If the school board upholds the importance of following state laws in certain scenarios, shouldn't they uphold the same principle across the board?

The well-being of our students depends on transparency, accountability, and the consistent application of laws. Parents play a critical role in the education of their children, and it's vital that schools respect their rights and opinions. Let's continue discussing this issue to ensure that our educational institutions remain accountable to the values they profess.

+ 1. Glad to see someone who gets it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I SEE LITERALLY NOTHING ABOUT GENDER CHANGE ON THAT NAME. ARE YOU SAYING DANIEL NEEDS MOMMY'S PERMISSION TO GO BY DAN OR DANNY AT SCHOOL? ALEXIS IS NOT ALLOWED TO BE CALLED LEXI BECAUSE DADDY IS WORRIED BOYS WILL CALL HER SEXY LEXY???

OH NO!!! WHATEVER WILL WE DO!!!

Ever heard of nicknames? Dan and Danny are short for Daniel, and commonly used as its corresponding nicknames. Lexi, the same for Alexis. When hearing their kids called by those nicknames, any parent would realize they are referring to their kids. Of course, you already know that.

Now, if Daniel is called Ana or Jane in front of them; and Alexis John or Daniel, their parents would have no clue they are referring to their kids. That is deceiving, plain and simple. And when that happens, kids are being taught and encouraged to deceive/lie to their parents by the same people the parents entrust their kids to. What adult would be comfortable and consent to be a part of it? I certainly hope there are some courageous School staff refusing to do so.

Yes. The state guidance allows for the use of commonly used nicknames as you mentioned. What happens when Anh wants to be called Lily or Ye-jun wants to by called Johnny? They aren't commonly related to their first names and aren't in their official record. The school is going to have to get special permission from those parents?

It depends on if these nicknames develop a new persona, or if by assigning the student a sex marker different that the one registered at school (as per the birth certificate and the parents’ acknowledgement) these nicknames are creating a different individual altogether. If it’s the latter, parents definitely need to be involved. School staff has no business keeping parents in the dark.

How familiar are you with Sage’s Law?

Does the model policy make this distinction? It reads:
[School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only (i) the name that appears in the student’s official record, or (ii) if the student prefers, using any nickname commonly associated with the name that appears in the student’s official record. Nothing in this policy shall prevent [School Division] personnel from using a different name for a student when it is necessary for the student’s
academic instruction, such as using a name more common in a foreign country while in a foreign-language course.

These guidelines seem to ban children with ethnic names from going by a chosen American name, unless their parents officially request that name it in writing. The practice of informally choosing an American name is a fairly common practice among many different ethnic groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's crucial for schools to adhere to the state laws consistently, regardless of their personal beliefs. The recent situation with FCPS's training materials raises questions about this very issue. It's concerning when an educational institution selectively decides which state laws to follow or not.

We've seen instances where the school board advocates for strict adherence to state laws, particularly in matters like masks and school closures. This makes the current situation even more perplexing. If the school board upholds the importance of following state laws in certain scenarios, shouldn't they uphold the same principle across the board?

The well-being of our students depends on transparency, accountability, and the consistent application of laws. Parents play a critical role in the education of their children, and it's vital that schools respect their rights and opinions. Let's continue discussing this issue to ensure that our educational institutions remain accountable to the values they profess.

What if federal laws trump state laws?

What federal law says schools can keep secrets from parents

[Anonymous]

The school cannot give a child a Tylenol, but they can "affirm" their trans gender?