Do you think Donald Trump would abide by the 22nd amendment?

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, will ride of into the sunset, waiting for his face to be added to Mount Rushmore. Wouldn’t have run this time if it wasn’t for the “trumped up” charges they brought against him. Would have preferred to have played the role of kingmaker. But no, had to go and poke the honey badger. Bad move.

Oh please he was always going to run again.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand how he’s running again for 2024 since he already won twice. Isn’t he ineligible? Can someone help me out here?

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https://www.reddit.com/r/RepublicanValues/comments/196ts1v/trump_says_he_may_be_president_again_for_four/

“Four years and beyond.”

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Anonymous wrote:That's what people said about Virginia if Youngkin wins. It was posted many times on this forum So we will know by 2025.
If elections don't happen that year, then we would need to be on the lookout for what Trump will do in 2028.

That Youngkin wouldn't leave office?

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FYI - The American Conservative now wants to abolish the 22nd Amendment:

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/trump-2028/

The case of Donald Trump, however, makes an even more forceful ethical argument against the Twenty-second Amendment and for its repeal: If a man who once was president returns, after a series of years, to stand again for the office and proves so popular as to earn a second nonconsecutive term—as Trump seems bound to do—to deny him the right to run for a second consecutive term cuts against basic fair play. If, by 2028, voters feel Trump has done a poor job, they can pick another candidate; but if they feel he has delivered on his promises, why should they be denied the freedom to choose him once more?

[Anonymous]

King Donald, and if and when the "patriots" on the right ever wake up to this nightmare, they will finally see how badly their frog has been boiled.

Insane that this is where we are now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FYI - The American Conservative now wants to abolish the 22nd Amendment:

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/trump-2028/

The case of Donald Trump, however, makes an even more forceful ethical argument against the Twenty-second Amendment and for its repeal: If a man who once was president returns, after a series of years, to stand again for the office and proves so popular as to earn a second nonconsecutive term—as Trump seems bound to do—to deny him the right to run for a second consecutive term cuts against basic fair play. If, by 2028, voters feel Trump has done a poor job, they can pick another candidate; but if they feel he has delivered on his promises, why should they be denied the freedom to choose him once more?

There's so much wrong with this article. For one thing, there's zero chance that Amendment gets repealed, nor is there any wiggle room for the courts. He's also very unlikely to still be alive in four years. It won't be surprising if/when he finally succumbs to natural causes in the next couple of years (his lawyers won't be able to appeal that to buy more time). If he somehow beats the odds to still be alive in four years (not to mention beating his dementia), the question really is what will the Republicans do if he insists on running again when he inevitably loses this Fall. I'm sure most of them are secretly waiting for him to be permanently moved out.

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Anonymous wrote:FYI - The American Conservative now wants to abolish the 22nd Amendment:

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/trump-2028/

The case of Donald Trump, however, makes an even more forceful ethical argument against the Twenty-second Amendment and for its repeal: If a man who once was president returns, after a series of years, to stand again for the office and proves so popular as to earn a second nonconsecutive term—as Trump seems bound to do—to deny him the right to run for a second consecutive term cuts against basic fair play. If, by 2028, voters feel Trump has done a poor job, they can pick another candidate; but if they feel he has delivered on his promises, why should they be denied the freedom to choose him once more?

There's so much wrong with this article. For one thing, there's zero chance that Amendment gets repealed, nor is there any wiggle room for the courts. He's also very unlikely to still be alive in four years. It won't be surprising if/when he finally succumbs to natural causes in the next couple of years (his lawyers won't be able to appeal that to buy more time). If he somehow beats the odds to still be alive in four years (not to mention beating his dementia), the question really is what will the Republicans do if he insists on running again when he inevitably loses this Fall. I'm sure most of them are secretly waiting for him to be permanently moved out.

Doesn’t the Supreme Court get to make the ultimate decision as to whether or not there is “wiggle room”?

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Yes. Because he’ll never leave, so won’t hold another election. (That’s how his supporters will justify it).

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Because he’ll never leave, so won’t hold another election. (That’s how his supporters will justify it).

This is said in every election since like 1980. Just like the line "This is the most consequential election in our history". Blah blah blah

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Anonymous wrote:The constitution’s 22nd amendment states that no person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice.

Article II states that the President shall hold his office during the term of four years.

Given the events of January 6, 2021, do you think Donald Trump will voluntarily relinquish the presidency in January of 2029—as required by the constitution—if he wins the 2024 election?

No.

Do you think Trump would cancel the 2028 election, and presumably all future elections? Or would he just run again in 2028 and then refuse to accept the results if he loses?

I have often wondered what would happen if he won again and then wanted to run again for a third term counter to the Constitution. I think technically the states would have to refuse to put him on the ballot because he would be ineligible, just as ineligible as someone who is only 30, or someone who was actually born in Kenya. But lord knows there are about 20 or more states that would put him on the ballot anyway, Constitution be damned. So then someone would have to have standing to sue to get him removed. How would that work?

I don’t know, but FWIW my expectation is that in a “second” term Trump will not be squeamish about appointing extreme loyalists in critical positions. If we get to that point, where is the buffer? Who will have the authority to tell him what he can and can’t do?

The bolded is key. Trump already signed an Executive Order before he left office to do just that:

https://www.axios.com/2022/07/22/trump-presidency-schedule-f-federal-employees

People talking about court decisions and asking how would he stay are operating under the long held norms in this country that Trump has no intention of operating under. Here are things (not an exhaustive list) Trump (and his associates) did during his initial term that violated the law and/or norms:

-Repeated violations of the letter and spirit of the vacancies law. This allowed people in positions requiring Senate confirmation to wield power illegally, and the norm violated is the Acting Director of X should maintain the status quo and not initiate large changes/big decisions:
-Ordered the head of the GSA to not cooperate with the Biden campaign during the transition- violation of a long held norm;
-Deployed unidentified federal forces to guard sites in Washington, DC in Summer 2020 (private army type stuff);
-Cooked up a fake elector scheme;
-Instigated an insurrection to target a particularly vulnerable part of our electoral process;
-Refused (and continues to refuse) to concede and election he lost in an attempt to de-legitimize the winner and current President;
-Worked to sow doubt in the integrity of our electoral process;
-Refused to appear at the ceremony transferring power to his successor.

I think most Americans don't pay attention or can't really conceive of "it happening here," but it absolutely can.

This. Our democracy is only as strong as our will to preserve it. The constitution is a piece of paper. George Washington willing stepped down as has every president since, until Trump.

[Anonymous]

The American Conservative Magazine


The American Conservative is reporting

Trump 2028 "The 22 Amendment is an arbitrary restraint of Presidents who serve nonconsecutive terms - and on Democracy itself"

Hum GOP party of Treason.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Because he’ll never leave, so won’t hold another election. (That’s how his supporters will justify it).

This is said in every election since like 1980. Just like the line "This is the most consequential election in our history". Blah blah blah

Really? “This is consequential” sounds a whole helluva different than “we’ve put a man on a presidential ballot who whipped up his supporters re voter fraud and encouraged them to go to the Capitol while the election was being certified and protest.”