“Blue Virginia” Pushing Folks to the Center/Right

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone else familiar with the Blue Virginia account/blog?

I signed onto it because I was a typical Democrat and follow local politics - and sometimes it is still a good source of early information.

But overall I find that the account/blog push me further to the center/right simply because the personal attacks on anyone who doesn’t align with BV’s progressive brand are so intense.

I guess it makes me old school, because I always subscribed to the view that you could disagree with people on matters on policy but still respect them as individuals. BV’s scorched-earth approach is to demonize anyone with whom they disagree in strongly personal terms.

I know - no one forces me or anyone else to read it. And I don’t want to overstate the effect it has on my political views, which remain left-of-center nationally. Just curious as to whether others have a similar reaction.

I'm a Dem voter but I'm not going down the path to defund the police, men in girls locker rooms, and late stage capitalism. Where did the moderates go?

So your position is that a M>F who transitions in HS is an adult, while all the other students are children? Got it. You're an @ss. DH is a moderate voter and he'd agree with me that this is a non-issue. Something made up to distract us from climate change--something that truly will affect girls in locker rooms.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone else familiar with the Blue Virginia account/blog?

I signed onto it because I was a typical Democrat and follow local politics - and sometimes it is still a good source of early information.

But overall I find that the account/blog push me further to the center/right simply because the personal attacks on anyone who doesn’t align with BV’s progressive brand are so intense.

I guess it makes me old school, because I always subscribed to the view that you could disagree with people on matters on policy but still respect them as individuals. BV’s scorched-earth approach is to demonize anyone with whom they disagree in strongly personal terms.

I know - no one forces me or anyone else to read it. And I don’t want to overstate the effect it has on my political views, which remain left-of-center nationally. Just curious as to whether others have a similar reaction.

I'm a Dem voter but I'm not going down the path to defund the police, men in girls locker rooms, and late stage capitalism. Where did the moderates go?

Normal people, much less mainstream Democrats, don’t know what you mean when you use those phrases so that tells me you consume a lot of right-wing media. And really a Dem voter at all.

The irony is the transgender men you want to force into girls’ locker rooms look like men. And that’s what you’re demanding should happen. So weird. And typical.

Are you saying that "normal people" only get their news from one political viewpoint? It is not normal to read/watch reports from both sides of an issue?

No, I am saying normal people don’t consume propaganda that masquerades as news. This is a right-wing phenomenon. Fox, NewsMax, OANN, talk radio. All these echo chambers with their conspiracy fantasies.

Very few people actually consume these things but enough do that they then go an do things like post them on social media and are bewildered that people don’t know what they’re talking about and then mock them for acting like what they’re posting is valid.

You can see this playing out now in the failed House of Representatives weaponization hearings that have face-planted. Nikki Haley talked about this recently — there’s this weird subset of fake issues that RWNJs get all worked up about that 97% of the country neither knows about nor cares about, because they aren’t actually real problems.

You cited three of them.

What are you talking about? Defund the police was #1 in the PP's list and that was all over left wing media - hardly a right wing only issue.

I am talking about your characterization of it.

The other two are typical right wing phantom menaces

My DSA-affiliated BIL talks about all three of these regularly (though obviously not in the same tone as Fox News).

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Anonymous wrote:I think there are crazies far ends of both sides. I am an independent and I like being in the middle. Going to vote for Biden if DT wins the nomination, if someone else (like Christie) wins the nomination, I might vote R.

There are a lot of us.
If Biden and Trump are on the ticket, I can't vote for either one.

Gosh, I think it's a clear choice between, on the one hand, the guy who tried to stage a coup rather than have to admit that he lost the election, and who is the subject of multiple criminal indictments; and, on the other hand, the guy who did not try to stage a coup and is not the subject of any criminal indictments; but you know best!

Just because Biden is being shielded from corruption prosecution does not mean he is not guilty of receiving millions from foreign interests for no substantive work.

These allegations are all about his son. Joe Biden didn't receive any of these millions that people are talking about. FYI - you're not paying close attention or are purposefully posting nonsense.

This is just delusional. Who put Hunter in touch with the Ukranians? The big guy. Dad tax 10%

No, dear. Hunter put himself in touch. He may have a colorful life but he's also a successful businessman. Unlike his dad, who is not a successful businessman.

LOL. You owe me a new keyboard. That was a good one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I also didn't like how the mainstream media tried to hide the Biden laptop story. I think that was shady - so makes me trust them less - on top of the "ministry of truth" covid stuff - blocking stuff that actually wasn't wrong.

You, also, are not a person who votes for Democrats, but rather a person who is way, way down the right-wing media rabbit hole.

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Anonymous wrote:I also didn't like how the mainstream media tried to hide the Biden laptop story. I think that was shady - so makes me trust them less - on top of the "ministry of truth" covid stuff - blocking stuff that actually wasn't wrong.

You, also, are not a person who votes for Democrats, but rather a person who is way, way down the right-wing media rabbit hole.

Everything the PP you responded to was factually correct. I see why you chose the "putdown" route rather than the "address facts" route on this one.

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Anonymous wrote:I still think “defund the police” was an astroturfed trend pushed by dark money conservatives groups on social media. They found a few black people who posted about it on Twitter and then used bot networks to make it seem like it was a plank of the Democratic Party.

Crazy how it took off and then mainstream individuals were debating an inorganic topic pushed by bots.

Nope, it came out of the Democratic Socialists of America platform. Their "demands" for the "abolition" of the "carceral state" are:
-Defund the police by rejecting any expansion to police budgets or scope of enforcement while cutting budgets annually towards zero
-End the criminalization of working-class survival
-Freedom for all incarcerated people
-Demilitarize the police and end colonial policing of our cities and neighborhoods
-Freedom of working-class self-organization and democratic political action
-Invest in community self-governance and care, not cops

https://www.dsausa.org/working-groups/abolition-working-group/

...and what does DSA have to do with Democratic Party? They literally oppose people who run as Democrats.

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Anonymous wrote:I also didn't like how the mainstream media tried to hide the Biden laptop story. I think that was shady - so makes me trust them less - on top of the "ministry of truth" covid stuff - blocking stuff that actually wasn't wrong.

You, also, are not a person who votes for Democrats, but rather a person who is way, way down the right-wing media rabbit hole.

Everything the PP you responded to was factually correct. I see why you chose the "putdown" route rather than the "address facts" route on this one.

This was factually correct?! "I also didn't like how the mainstream media tried to hide the Biden laptop story. I think that was shady - so makes me trust them less - on top of the "ministry of truth" covid stuff - blocking stuff that actually wasn't wrong."

Yeah, no. Even the PP their own self was presenting it as opinion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I still think “defund the police” was an astroturfed trend pushed by dark money conservatives groups on social media. They found a few black people who posted about it on Twitter and then used bot networks to make it seem like it was a plank of the Democratic Party.

Crazy how it took off and then mainstream individuals were debating an inorganic topic pushed by bots.

Nope, it came out of the Democratic Socialists of America platform. Their "demands" for the "abolition" of the "carceral state" are:
-Defund the police by rejecting any expansion to police budgets or scope of enforcement while cutting budgets annually towards zero
-End the criminalization of working-class survival
-Freedom for all incarcerated people
-Demilitarize the police and end colonial policing of our cities and neighborhoods
-Freedom of working-class self-organization and democratic political action
-Invest in community self-governance and care, not cops

https://www.dsausa.org/working-groups/abolition-working-group/

...and what does DSA have to do with Democratic Party? They literally oppose people who run as Democrats.

In the propaganda-addled brain of your typical Republican, everyone who isn't a Republican is a leftist. That's why anarchists, socialists, and Democrats get painted by the same brush whenever it's convenient for a Republican to do so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I still think “defund the police” was an astroturfed trend pushed by dark money conservatives groups on social media. They found a few black people who posted about it on Twitter and then used bot networks to make it seem like it was a plank of the Democratic Party.

Crazy how it took off and then mainstream individuals were debating an inorganic topic pushed by bots.

Nope, it came out of the Democratic Socialists of America platform. Their "demands" for the "abolition" of the "carceral state" are:
-Defund the police by rejecting any expansion to police budgets or scope of enforcement while cutting budgets annually towards zero
-End the criminalization of working-class survival
-Freedom for all incarcerated people
-Demilitarize the police and end colonial policing of our cities and neighborhoods
-Freedom of working-class self-organization and democratic political action
-Invest in community self-governance and care, not cops

https://www.dsausa.org/working-groups/abolition-working-group/

...and what does DSA have to do with Democratic Party? They literally oppose people who run as Democrats.

They also endorse people who run as Democrats. AOC was one they endorsed. There are lots of DSA-ers who believe (rightfully) that they won't get anywhere on a national stage as a third party, so they want to run as Dems within our two-party system and work to push the Dems left on their issues.
Also, I was responding to the person above who said they thought "defund the police" was pushed behind the scenes by conservatives.

[Anonymous]

I don't know anything re Blue Virginia but people in NOVA live in a serious bubble and seem to not comprehend that the rest of Virginia doesn't live or think like NOVA.

Virginia, IMO, has always been purple, moderate. I was born and raised in Richmond, I have extended family all over Virginia (from Martinsville to Surry to the NN). I have lived up here for 20 years now. The average Virginian is a decent, nice person who cares about their family, their neighbors, their community and the world in general. They live by doing what they think is right. They are not extreme, on either end. They don't like policies or things that are severe. They are not crass, or showy and are not attracted to politicians who are (like Trump).

Virginia is socially center left (live and let live) and fiscally center right. Today I would consider myself what we used to call a GDI (god damn independent) because the term moderate these days seems to have negative connotations in NOVA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know anything re Blue Virginia but people in NOVA live in a serious bubble and seem to not comprehend that the rest of Virginia doesn't live or think like NOVA.

Virginia, IMO, has always been purple, moderate. I was born and raised in Richmond, I have extended family all over Virginia (from Martinsville to Surry to the NN). I have lived up here for 20 years now. The average Virginian is a decent, nice person who cares about their family, their neighbors, their community and the world in general. They live by doing what they think is right. They are not extreme, on either end. They don't like policies or things that are severe. They are not crass, or showy and are not attracted to politicians who are (like Trump).

Virginia is socially center left (live and let live) and fiscally center right. Today I would consider myself what we used to call a GDI (god damn independent) because the term moderate these days seems to have negative connotations in NOVA.

A third of Virginians live in northern Virginia. That's a big bubble.

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Anonymous wrote:I also didn't like how the mainstream media tried to hide the Biden laptop story. I think that was shady - so makes me trust them less - on top of the "ministry of truth" covid stuff - blocking stuff that actually wasn't wrong.

You, also, are not a person who votes for Democrats, but rather a person who is way, way down the right-wing media rabbit hole.

Everything the PP you responded to was factually correct. I see why you chose the "putdown" route rather than the "address facts" route on this one.

This was factually correct?! "I also didn't like how the mainstream media tried to hide the Biden laptop story. I think that was shady - so makes me trust them less - on top of the "ministry of truth" covid stuff - blocking stuff that actually wasn't wrong."

Yeah, no. Even the PP their own self was presenting it as opinion.

The bolded parts are factual. There is no way you can dispute that. Even CBS and the NYT wouldn't dispute those two facts at this point.

[Anonymous]

I don’t read this blog, but for years I participated in an online community which was surreptitiously overtaken by progressives. It had a similar impact to what the OP describes. I’ve always been a centrist but I found myself more sympathetic to the conservative point of view. These days I sometimes vote for Democrats and sometimes Republicans.

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Anonymous wrote:I also didn't like how the mainstream media tried to hide the Biden laptop story. I think that was shady - so makes me trust them less - on top of the "ministry of truth" covid stuff - blocking stuff that actually wasn't wrong.

You, also, are not a person who votes for Democrats, but rather a person who is way, way down the right-wing media rabbit hole.

Everything the PP you responded to was factually correct. I see why you chose the "putdown" route rather than the "address facts" route on this one.

This was factually correct?! "I also didn't like how the mainstream media tried to hide the Biden laptop story. I think that was shady - so makes me trust them less - on top of the "ministry of truth" covid stuff - blocking stuff that actually wasn't wrong."

Yeah, no. Even the PP their own self was presenting it as opinion.

The bolded parts are factual. There is no way you can dispute that. Even CBS and the NYT wouldn't dispute those two facts at this point.

Evidently, when I say "facts", and when you say "facts", we are referring to different things.

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Anonymous wrote:I also didn't like how the mainstream media tried to hide the Biden laptop story. I think that was shady - so makes me trust them less - on top of the "ministry of truth" covid stuff - blocking stuff that actually wasn't wrong.

You, also, are not a person who votes for Democrats, but rather a person who is way, way down the right-wing media rabbit hole.

Everything the PP you responded to was factually correct. I see why you chose the "putdown" route rather than the "address facts" route on this one.

This was factually correct?! "I also didn't like how the mainstream media tried to hide the Biden laptop story. I think that was shady - so makes me trust them less - on top of the "ministry of truth" covid stuff - blocking stuff that actually wasn't wrong."

Yeah, no. Even the PP their own self was presenting it as opinion.

The bolded parts are factual. There is no way you can dispute that. Even CBS and the NYT wouldn't dispute those two facts at this point.

Evidently, when I say "facts", and when you say "facts", we are referring to different things.

Gotcha.... so the media didn't try to hide the laptop story and folks were not censored at the request of the government for espousing contrarian views about Covid (including the origins as well as any potential detriments from the vaccine). It must be nice down in the sand.