Unintended Consequences of Covid

[Anonymous]

clarification: by invisible I meant the disease itself as opposed to the social implications. Working from my home, looking outside at the street, it's there but I can't see it. That kid of invisible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids have been back in school in person for two years except a select few. So, if numbers continue to rise (and last reports were saying it was down), then is covid to blame or something else?

You’re saying pulling kids out of school and significantly disrupting their lives for 18+ months isn’t likely to have long-term effects?

Liar. Kids were not “out of school” for 18 months.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids have been back in school in person for two years except a select few. So, if numbers continue to rise (and last reports were saying it was down), then is covid to blame or something else?

You’re saying pulling kids out of school and significantly disrupting their lives for 18+ months isn’t likely to have long-term effects?

Liar. Kids were not “out of school” for 18 months.

MCPS didn’t resume full-time until fall 2021.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

This is the exact attitude that’s the problem. Everybody who was involved in the decision making insanity wants it forgotten so they aren’t held accountable. Everybody that went along with it wants it forgotten.

When nobody becomes accountable for nonsense like what we had to deal with you are very likely to experience something similar again. The way to solve that is to make sure actions have consequences. But that won’t happen, so you are right, this is all a gigantic waste of time.

Fully agree. Doctors are starting to come out and say their license was threatened if they strayed from the ‘expected path’. I have a pathologist friend who is LIVID at what he’s seeing under a microscope and a cardiologist friend who’s seeing way too much myocarditis, when he never used to. And as the Pfizer papers continue to come out, we see how much that company hid (and why they wanted it buried for 50+ years - thank GOD for Judicial Watch!)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've seen data suggesting exactly the opposite as well.

The pressure of in-person school is clearly temporally linked to suicide; there are way more suicides during the school year than over the summer. That's true year-in and year-out.

Yet you’re apparently unable to provide a reference to any such data.

Bridge, J. A., Ruch, D. A., Sheftall, A. H., Hahm, H. C., O’Keefe, V. M., Fontanella, C. A., Brock, G., Campo, J. V., & Horowitz, L. M. (2023). Youth suicide during the first year of the COVID-19 pandemic. Pediatrics, 151(3), Article e2022058375. https://doi.org/10.1542/peds.2022-058375

Unable? No.

https://www.cacap-acpea.org/wp-content/uploads/School-closures-the-pandemic-and-pediatric-mental-health.pdf

Apparently you are unable, given that article doesn’t support the claim you made.

All the left has is “that doesn’t mean what you think it means”

[Anonymous]

I think it’s more connected to social media than Covid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

This is the exact attitude that’s the problem. Everybody who was involved in the decision making insanity wants it forgotten so they aren’t held accountable. Everybody that went along with it wants it forgotten.

When nobody becomes accountable for nonsense like what we had to deal with you are very likely to experience something similar again. The way to solve that is to make sure actions have consequences. But that won’t happen, so you are right, this is all a gigantic waste of time.

DP.
I have no hope of holding anyone accountable, but I hope at least some people are taking note, and next time they won’t blindly follow the guidance but use their common sense.
I regret not traveling more to places that had fewer precautions, and not traveling more in general. I should have taken my kid out of the stupid “school” and away to see the country. So yeah I’ve made my conclusions for sure.

Yep. Our political leaders completely abdicated decision-making authority and the weighing of risks in favor of public health group think. Trust in a lot of institutions was shattered during the pandemic. Don't expect a lot of compliance the next time around.

The goal is to cede US decision making to the WHO

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids have been back in school in person for two years except a select few. So, if numbers continue to rise (and last reports were saying it was down), then is covid to blame or something else?

You’re saying pulling kids out of school and significantly disrupting their lives for 18+ months isn’t likely to have long-term effects?

Liar. Kids were not “out of school” for 18 months.

MCPS didn’t resume full-time until fall 2021.

I don't care about holding anyone accountable, but I hope to see detailed and extensive studies to help us understand the consequences of the pandemic generally and the specific policies for children, including the impact of extended virtual learning. This was not a "schools reopened, and now everything is back to normal" scenario, as most of us in the trenches know. Not only can research inform policymakers when faced with future disease outbreaks, but the next generation of parents should have more information about strategies and best practices to help their kids when faced with a significant loss of in-person activities and prolonged isolation. What can we do better next time?

[Anonymous]

I don’t think it’s Covid school shutdown related. I think it’s due to broader trends in our society and current methods of parenting. Parents are overly involved in their kids’ lives. The helicopter parenting makes kids anxious and miserable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

This is the exact attitude that’s the problem. Everybody who was involved in the decision making insanity wants it forgotten so they aren’t held accountable. Everybody that went along with it wants it forgotten.

When nobody becomes accountable for nonsense like what we had to deal with you are very likely to experience something similar again. The way to solve that is to make sure actions have consequences. But that won’t happen, so you are right, this is all a gigantic waste of time.

DP.
I have no hope of holding anyone accountable, but I hope at least some people are taking note, and next time they won’t blindly follow the guidance but use their common sense.
I regret not traveling more to places that had fewer precautions, and not traveling more in general. I should have taken my kid out of the stupid “school” and away to see the country. So yeah I’ve made my conclusions for sure.

I hope to God we don't have another pandemic in my lifetime. Morons like you will think you "learned something" from getting through Covid, will ignore any recommendations in favor of your own "common sense" and things will be even worse. *If* we have another pandemic, you have no frickin idea what it will entail. It won't be the same virus. Maybe the next one will impact kids more than adults. Maybe it will be more deadly. Whatever, you have no idea and to say you know what to do next time is absolute arrogant nonsense.

Honestly, sit down and shut up.

If you actually have a real recommendation about how we help kids go forward from here and help them now, rather than blathering on with your impotent rage over Covid, let us know.

Sit down. Shut up and trust the experts. They guided us so well in the past, their judgment is beyond reproach.

Again, stop being one of the angry morons with your extreme reactions. If you want things to be better next time we need research, not vengeance. And the idea that flat-out, completely ignoring public health advisories in favor of our own feelings will be the right way to go in the future is completely destructive and stupid.

You want to be mad? Be mad at the GOP a-holes who made the decisions about addressing a world-wide health crisis a political firebrand, a tool to try to divide and win votes, instead of everyone coming together and letting reason guide the day. I blame them just as much or more for how things went.

Experts are, in the end, just people. This was a once-in-a-lifetime event. Mistakes were made but not everything was a mistake. If you expect perfection every time something like this happens, you truly are some kind of idiot. If you think there was a way to bring our kids through this with no repercussions, you are a fool.

I, on the other hand, would like to focus on trying to learn lessons and how to help kids navigate the now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've seen data suggesting exactly the opposite as well.

The pressure of in-person school is clearly temporally linked to suicide; there are way more suicides during the school year than over the summer. That's true year-in and year-out.

Yet you’re apparently unable to provide a reference to any such data.

Bridge, J. A., Ruch, D. A., Sheftall, A. H., Hahm, H. C., O’Keefe, V. M., Fontanella, C. A., Brock, G., Campo, J. V., & Horowitz, L. M. (2023). Youth suicide during the first year of the COVID-19 pandemic. Pediatrics, 151(3), Article e2022058375. https://doi.org/10.1542/peds.2022-058375

Unable? No.

https://www.cacap-acpea.org/wp-content/uploads/School-closures-the-pandemic-and-pediatric-mental-health.pdf

Apparently you are unable, given that article doesn’t support the claim you made.

All the left has is “that doesn’t mean what you think it means”

And all the right has are lies. That has been the case for a while. So stuff it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes I’ve read deaths in young people are up also for drug over doses. I always knew there were going to be consequences to closing things down. . It’s not rocket science. Just common sense.

How does one have to do with the other? And, everything has been back to normal for two years, so this isn't covid related. Maybe start with parenting, especially with people who blame other things and don't want to actively parent.

In NOVA everything has only been back to normal for one year. Kids were masked in school last year. That’s not normal. And 2.5 years of abnormal definitely needs more than 1 year of normal to cure. Also common sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That chart makes it appear the suicide rate was rising year over year even before COVID.

Yep, from about 2012, coinciding with the rise in social media.

Agree. It’s social media.

Agree - Which was exacerbated by virtual school and masks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Telling people to shut up and get over something NEVER works. People need to feel heard. Like their lived experience has a taught us something.

Otherwise, what was the point of the suffering if we didn't gain wisdom.

Ding ding ding.

People are still talking about this because they’ve been told 800x to shut up and “get over it.” The more they hear this, the angrier they get. It’s just human nature.

DCUM, in particular, will never be free of this conversation, because the places where it should have already taken place (meetings between the authorities who made these decisions and the people who lived with them) have been made unwelcoming to dissent or honest exchange. So anonymous online forums have to get accustomed to this rage, because it has nowhere else to go. If it bugs you, my recommendation is to simply not read these threads.

The shut up was for someone saying that in the future they will just ignore public health directives in favor of their "common sense". That would be very dangerous.

It is sad that so many people are still so enraged over Covid. But the fact is, it was a world-wide crisis. Everyone suffers when stuff like this happens. We have a special brand of people here on DCUM who think they should be above all suffering and it's annoying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That chart makes it appear the suicide rate was rising year over year even before COVID.

Yep, from about 2012, coinciding with the rise in social media.

Agree. It’s social media.

Agree - Which was exacerbated by virtual school and masks.

Don't agree on the masks.

But time will show that social media is the real threat to kids mental health.