Unintended Consequences of Covid

[Anonymous]

Correlation does not equal causation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That chart makes it appear the suicide rate was rising year over year even before COVID.

Because it was. In person school drives suicide rates for many kids and has for years. For many, the benefits of not having to be in person school with the bullies was a huge relief.
Covid did not drive suicides because of lockdowns

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kids have been back in school in person for two years except a select few. So, if numbers continue to rise (and last reports were saying it was down), then is covid to blame or something else?

You’re saying pulling kids out of school and significantly disrupting their lives for 18+ months isn’t likely to have long-term effects?

It actually helped some kids--not having to be at school daily with their bullies. Covid was going to cause some people mental health issues. Some of those people were going to have mental health issues even if we were still living like it's 2019. Mental health issues were on the rise for the last decade, without covid. many factors, social media is certainly not helping.

Covid alone will cause mental health issues--nothing like loosing your parents or grandparents or cousins or aunt/uncle suddenly to a devastating disease

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

This is the exact attitude that’s the problem. Everybody who was involved in the decision making insanity wants it forgotten so they aren’t held accountable. Everybody that went along with it wants it forgotten.

When nobody becomes accountable for nonsense like what we had to deal with you are very likely to experience something similar again. The way to solve that is to make sure actions have consequences. But that won’t happen, so you are right, this is all a gigantic waste of time.

No, your perseveration is “the problem.” The “being held accountable,” the reckoning, the holding out for punishment and/or future assurances ISN’T COMING. It. Is. Not. Coming.

Cope and move on. If you need professional help to do that, get it.

DP. I don’t think the PP disagrees that it isn’t coming. But that’s the problem. There are so many people and institutions that want to sweep their mistakes under the rug. And that increases the chance that similar mistakes will be made in the future.

If they know it is not coming, then STOP ENDLESSLY PERSEVERATING ABOUT IT AND MOVE ON. If in 2023, you cannot do that, you seriously need professional help.

Let's just abandon all study of history by that logic. Sounds like a good plan there.

Also, just so you are aware, usage of words such as "perseverate" that are way outside normal usage doesn't make you look smart. It makes you look like you are trying too hard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That chart makes it appear the suicide rate was rising year over year even before COVID.

Yep, from about 2012, coinciding with the rise in social media.

Agree. It’s social media.

Agree - Which was exacerbated by virtual school and masks.

Don't agree on the masks.

But time will show that social media is the real threat to kids mental health.

I agree with social media. My kids were in MS during the pandemic. I got in touch with their friends’ parents and we had a pod of friends for both kids. I couldn’t imagine being in MS and being stuck with my parents 24/7! They had to keep up with friends in person. They and their friends all did well during the pandemic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kids have been back in school in person for two years except a select few. So, if numbers continue to rise (and last reports were saying it was down), then is covid to blame or something else?

You’re saying pulling kids out of school and significantly disrupting their lives for 18+ months isn’t likely to have long-term effects?

Liar. Kids were not “out of school” for 18 months.

MCPS didn’t resume full-time until fall 2021.

They were not out of school. They had school but it looked different. What’s going on at home that things were so bad it caused your kids mental health issues?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That chart makes it appear the suicide rate was rising year over year even before COVID.

Yep, from about 2012, coinciding with the rise in social media.

Agree. It’s social media.

Agree - Which was exacerbated by virtual school and masks.

Don't agree on the masks.

But time will show that social media is the real threat to kids mental health.

I agree with social media. My kids were in MS during the pandemic. I got in touch with their friends’ parents and we had a pod of friends for both kids. I couldn’t imagine being in MS and being stuck with my parents 24/7! They had to keep up with friends in person. They and their friends all did well during the pandemic.

Ok, so let's discuss that. From the beginning pandemic and continuing through the fall of 2020, there were public officials speaking out against doing what your family did. Parks were closed, sports were canceled, and pods were discouraged. Messages at the local levels, including from school boards, were that we all needed to buckle down, and avoid any indoor or maskless (even outdoors) socialization so that schools could reopen. So I would start there. If schools weren't going to reopen, all sorts of outdoor activities and small-group socialization should have been encouraged as essential for mental health. That didn't happen. The significant harm caused by isolation was absolutely dismissed, continuing to this day.

In the future, if the government is going to take away the social gathering spaces (schools, churches, etc.) where people interact, then there has to be something else to take their place. Some parents, like the PP, found ways to allow their kids to socialize in person. Others, like me, 100% embraced the message that remaining isolated a little longer would have little cost and was essential for getting kids back to school and protecting the community. In other words, we now look like fools for doing our part if our kids suffered from isolation. I have so much regret, guilt, and self-loathing for buying into the teachers' union and school boards' messaging. There's no greater good to speak of now if your COVID caution has negative consequences for your kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids have been back in school in person for two years except a select few. So, if numbers continue to rise (and last reports were saying it was down), then is covid to blame or something else?

You’re saying pulling kids out of school and significantly disrupting their lives for 18+ months isn’t likely to have long-term effects?

It actually helped some kids--not having to be at school daily with their bullies. Covid was going to cause some people mental health issues. Some of those people were going to have mental health issues even if we were still living like it's 2019. Mental health issues were on the rise for the last decade, without covid. many factors, social media is certainly not helping.

Covid alone will cause mental health issues--nothing like loosing your parents or grandparents or cousins or aunt/uncle suddenly to a devastating disease

Right- if you’re someone that can’t handle school, you’re already in for a tough life.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids have been back in school in person for two years except a select few. So, if numbers continue to rise (and last reports were saying it was down), then is covid to blame or something else?

You’re saying pulling kids out of school and significantly disrupting their lives for 18+ months isn’t likely to have long-term effects?

Liar. Kids were not “out of school” for 18 months.

MCPS didn’t resume full-time until fall 2021.

They were not out of school. They had school but it looked different. What’s going on at home that things were so bad it caused your kids mental health issues?

A lack of peers for one. Surely you get that, don’t you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That chart makes it appear the suicide rate was rising year over year even before COVID.

Because it was!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids have been back in school in person for two years except a select few. So, if numbers continue to rise (and last reports were saying it was down), then is covid to blame or something else?

You’re saying pulling kids out of school and significantly disrupting their lives for 18+ months isn’t likely to have long-term effects?

It actually helped some kids--not having to be at school daily with their bullies. Covid was going to cause some people mental health issues. Some of those people were going to have mental health issues even if we were still living like it's 2019. Mental health issues were on the rise for the last decade, without covid. many factors, social media is certainly not helping.

Covid alone will cause mental health issues--nothing like loosing your parents or grandparents or cousins or aunt/uncle suddenly to a devastating disease

Right- if you’re someone that can’t handle school, you’re already in for a tough life.

I will never understand why people use the bolded statement to justify or excuse COVID measures. If mental health issues were already on the rise pre-COVID, more consideration should have been given to mental health, particularly that of children and young adults, in making COVID policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That chart makes it appear the suicide rate was rising year over year even before COVID.

Yep, from about 2012, coinciding with the rise in social media.

Agree. It’s social media.

Agree - Which was exacerbated by virtual school and masks.

Don't agree on the masks.

But time will show that social media is the real threat to kids mental health.

I agree with social media. My kids were in MS during the pandemic. I got in touch with their friends’ parents and we had a pod of friends for both kids. I couldn’t imagine being in MS and being stuck with my parents 24/7! They had to keep up with friends in person. They and their friends all did well during the pandemic.

Ok, so let's discuss that. From the beginning pandemic and continuing through the fall of 2020, there were public officials speaking out against doing what your family did. Parks were closed, sports were canceled, and pods were discouraged. Messages at the local levels, including from school boards, were that we all needed to buckle down, and avoid any indoor or maskless (even outdoors) socialization so that schools could reopen. So I would start there. If schools weren't going to reopen, all sorts of outdoor activities and small-group socialization should have been encouraged as essential for mental health. That didn't happen. The significant harm caused by isolation was absolutely dismissed, continuing to this day.

In the future, if the government is going to take away the social gathering spaces (schools, churches, etc.) where people interact, then there has to be something else to take their place. Some parents, like the PP, found ways to allow their kids to socialize in person. Others, like me, 100% embraced the message that remaining isolated a little longer would have little cost and was essential for getting kids back to school and protecting the community. In other words, we now look like fools for doing our part if our kids suffered from isolation. I have so much regret, guilt, and self-loathing for buying into the teachers' union and school boards' messaging. There's no greater good to speak of now if your COVID caution has negative consequences for your kids.

Yes, rich people hired nannies and tutors at the drop of a hat and set up outdoor pods for their children to socialize in person. They worked from home and had poor people deliver groceries via instacart. They applied to private school and moved their kids to in person private school for a year or so.

Other people's kids suffered from isolation and substandard education. Families with young kids ran themselves ragged trying to work professional jobs remotely and parent preschoolers.

It was absolutely unfair and we should learn from the pandemic response to do better next time.

Why didn't the schools do virtual for grade 3+ and prioritize using physical space for the k-2 and special needs students. That would have been a much better solution

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

This is the exact attitude that’s the problem. Everybody who was involved in the decision making insanity wants it forgotten so they aren’t held accountable. Everybody that went along with it wants it forgotten.

When nobody becomes accountable for nonsense like what we had to deal with you are very likely to experience something similar again. The way to solve that is to make sure actions have consequences. But that won’t happen, so you are right, this is all a gigantic waste of time.

No, your perseveration is “the problem.” The “being held accountable,” the reckoning, the holding out for punishment and/or future assurances ISN’T COMING. It. Is. Not. Coming.

Cope and move on. If you need professional help to do that, get it.

DP. I don’t think the PP disagrees that it isn’t coming. But that’s the problem. There are so many people and institutions that want to sweep their mistakes under the rug. And that increases the chance that similar mistakes will be made in the future.

If they know it is not coming, then STOP ENDLESSLY PERSEVERATING ABOUT IT AND MOVE ON. If in 2023, you cannot do that, you seriously need professional help.

Let's just abandon all study of history by that logic. Sounds like a good plan there.

Also, just so you are aware, usage of words such as "perseverate" that are way outside normal usage doesn't make you look smart. It makes you look like you are trying too hard.

You think “perseverate” is “way outside normal usage?” Yikes (is that word sufficiently lowbrow for your junior high literacy level?). I’m embarrassed for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids have been back in school in person for two years except a select few. So, if numbers continue to rise (and last reports were saying it was down), then is covid to blame or something else?

You’re saying pulling kids out of school and significantly disrupting their lives for 18+ months isn’t likely to have long-term effects?

Liar. Kids were not “out of school” for 18 months.

MCPS didn’t resume full-time until fall 2021.

They were not out of school. They had school but it looked different. What’s going on at home that things were so bad it caused your kids mental health issues?

A lack of peers for one. Surely you get that, don’t you?

If your kids had “a lack of peers” beyond mid-2020, you failed at parenting.

[Anonymous]

Can someone explain to me the rigid resistance to reflecting on how covid was managed?