Unintended Consequences of Covid

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've seen data suggesting exactly the opposite as well.

The pressure of in-person school is clearly temporally linked to suicide; there are way more suicides during the school year than over the summer. That's true year-in and year-out.

Yet you’re apparently unable to provide a reference to any such data.

Bridge, J. A., Ruch, D. A., Sheftall, A. H., Hahm, H. C., O’Keefe, V. M., Fontanella, C. A., Brock, G., Campo, J. V., & Horowitz, L. M. (2023). Youth suicide during the first year of the COVID-19 pandemic. Pediatrics, 151(3), Article e2022058375. https://doi.org/10.1542/peds.2022-058375

Unable? No.

https://www.cacap-acpea.org/wp-content/uploads/School-closures-the-pandemic-and-pediatric-mental-health.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

We never had a lockdown. You could do what every you wanted. We were asked to stay home for a few weeks but that was not a lockdown. You don't get what a lockdown is. China had lockdowns, we did not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes I’ve read deaths in young people are up also for drug over doses. I always knew there were going to be consequences to closing things down. . It’s not rocket science. Just common sense.

How does one have to do with the other? And, everything has been back to normal for two years, so this isn't covid related. Maybe start with parenting, especially with people who blame other things and don't want to actively parent.

[Anonymous]

Did you mean “unexpected”? “Unintended” does not make sense.

[Anonymous]

For daily rates of youth suicide and their relationship to school days:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/childrens-risk-of-suicide-increases-on-school-days/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've seen data suggesting exactly the opposite as well.

The pressure of in-person school is clearly temporally linked to suicide; there are way more suicides during the school year than over the summer. That's true year-in and year-out.

Yet you’re apparently unable to provide a reference to any such data.

Bridge, J. A., Ruch, D. A., Sheftall, A. H., Hahm, H. C., O’Keefe, V. M., Fontanella, C. A., Brock, G., Campo, J. V., & Horowitz, L. M. (2023). Youth suicide during the first year of the COVID-19 pandemic. Pediatrics, 151(3), Article e2022058375. https://doi.org/10.1542/peds.2022-058375

Unable? No.

https://www.cacap-acpea.org/wp-content/uploads/School-closures-the-pandemic-and-pediatric-mental-health.pdf

Apparently you are unable, given that article doesn’t support the claim you made.

[Anonymous]

OP, so, instead of posting here, what are you doing about it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

This is the exact attitude that’s the problem. Everybody who was involved in the decision making insanity wants it forgotten so they aren’t held accountable. Everybody that went along with it wants it forgotten.

When nobody becomes accountable for nonsense like what we had to deal with you are very likely to experience something similar again. The way to solve that is to make sure actions have consequences. But that won’t happen, so you are right, this is all a gigantic waste of time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

We never had a lockdown. You could do what every you wanted. We were asked to stay home for a few weeks but that was not a lockdown. You don't get what a lockdown is. China had lockdowns, we did not.

Ah, the no lockdown poster is back!
Well no we couldn’t do “whatever we wanted”. Couldn’t go to school or aftercare (closed). Couldn’t travel to many countries. Couldn’t eat comfortably inside instead of outside in the cold.
Some schools went so far as to make families report if they traveled more than 150 miles from home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

This is the exact attitude that’s the problem. Everybody who was involved in the decision making insanity wants it forgotten so they aren’t held accountable. Everybody that went along with it wants it forgotten.

When nobody becomes accountable for nonsense like what we had to deal with you are very likely to experience something similar again. The way to solve that is to make sure actions have consequences. But that won’t happen, so you are right, this is all a gigantic waste of time.

DP.
I have no hope of holding anyone accountable, but I hope at least some people are taking note, and next time they won’t blindly follow the guidance but use their common sense.
I regret not traveling more to places that had fewer precautions, and not traveling more in general. I should have taken my kid out of the stupid “school” and away to see the country. So yeah I’ve made my conclusions for sure.

[Anonymous]

From that chart it appears that covid caused a jump in homicide rates, but suicides are just following the same trend they were on for years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From that chart it appears that covid caused a jump in homicide rates, but suicides are just following the same trend they were on for years.

+1. The chart doesn't suggest any connection with pandemic response, it's a upward trend that started a decade before COVID and has kept going relatively unchanged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've seen data suggesting exactly the opposite as well.

The pressure of in-person school is clearly temporally linked to suicide; there are way more suicides during the school year than over the summer. That's true year-in and year-out.

Yet you’re apparently unable to provide a reference to any such data.

Bridge, J. A., Ruch, D. A., Sheftall, A. H., Hahm, H. C., O’Keefe, V. M., Fontanella, C. A., Brock, G., Campo, J. V., & Horowitz, L. M. (2023). Youth suicide during the first year of the COVID-19 pandemic. Pediatrics, 151(3), Article e2022058375. https://doi.org/10.1542/peds.2022-058375

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasonal_effects_on_suicide_rates#:~:text=The%20Centers%20for%20Disease%20Control,in%20the%20spring%20and%20summer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From that chart it appears that covid caused a jump in homicide rates, but suicides are just following the same trend they were on for years.

+1. The chart doesn't suggest any connection with pandemic response, it's an upward trend that started a decade before COVID and has kept going relatively unchanged.

People are using this chart for everything

Pandemic
Instagram
Etc.

They would Actually need a control group to validate why.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

What do you mean by mental health funding? How would that funding be used? It is nearly impossible to get into a children's therapist in NoVa these days, let alone a psychiatrist. There just aren't enough trained people to meet the needs of families in crisis these days. Short of opening up a lot more spaces in Universities and medical schools - and funding would not help that - what can be done with more funding?