Unintended Consequences of Covid

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

This is the exact attitude that’s the problem. Everybody who was involved in the decision making insanity wants it forgotten so they aren’t held accountable. Everybody that went along with it wants it forgotten.

When nobody becomes accountable for nonsense like what we had to deal with you are very likely to experience something similar again. The way to solve that is to make sure actions have consequences. But that won’t happen, so you are right, this is all a gigantic waste of time.

No, your perseveration is “the problem.” The “being held accountable,” the reckoning, the holding out for punishment and/or future assurances ISN’T COMING. It. Is. Not. Coming.

Cope and move on. If you need professional help to do that, get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

This is the exact attitude that’s the problem. Everybody who was involved in the decision making insanity wants it forgotten so they aren’t held accountable. Everybody that went along with it wants it forgotten.

When nobody becomes accountable for nonsense like what we had to deal with you are very likely to experience something similar again. The way to solve that is to make sure actions have consequences. But that won’t happen, so you are right, this is all a gigantic waste of time.

No, your perseveration is “the problem.” The “being held accountable,” the reckoning, the holding out for punishment and/or future assurances ISN’T COMING. It. Is. Not. Coming.

Cope and move on. If you need professional help to do that, get it.

DP. I don’t think the PP disagrees that it isn’t coming. But that’s the problem. There are so many people and institutions that want to sweep their mistakes under the rug. And that increases the chance that similar mistakes will be made in the future.

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

This is the exact attitude that’s the problem. Everybody who was involved in the decision making insanity wants it forgotten so they aren’t held accountable. Everybody that went along with it wants it forgotten.

When nobody becomes accountable for nonsense like what we had to deal with you are very likely to experience something similar again. The way to solve that is to make sure actions have consequences. But that won’t happen, so you are right, this is all a gigantic waste of time.

No, your perseveration is “the problem.” The “being held accountable,” the reckoning, the holding out for punishment and/or future assurances ISN’T COMING. It. Is. Not. Coming.

Cope and move on. If you need professional help to do that, get it.

Did you read what you responded to? I suspect not.

But, you do know about caps lock and periods. So we have that. The reference to professional help is also a nice touch. I’m sure you are a gas in your personal life and have tons of friends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

This is the exact attitude that’s the problem. Everybody who was involved in the decision making insanity wants it forgotten so they aren’t held accountable. Everybody that went along with it wants it forgotten.

When nobody becomes accountable for nonsense like what we had to deal with you are very likely to experience something similar again. The way to solve that is to make sure actions have consequences. But that won’t happen, so you are right, this is all a gigantic waste of time.

DP.
I have no hope of holding anyone accountable, but I hope at least some people are taking note, and next time they won’t blindly follow the guidance but use their common sense.
I regret not traveling more to places that had fewer precautions, and not traveling more in general. I should have taken my kid out of the stupid “school” and away to see the country. So yeah I’ve made my conclusions for sure.

Yep. Our political leaders completely abdicated decision-making authority and the weighing of risks in favor of public health group think. Trust in a lot of institutions was shattered during the pandemic. Don't expect a lot of compliance the next time around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

This is the exact attitude that’s the problem. Everybody who was involved in the decision making insanity wants it forgotten so they aren’t held accountable. Everybody that went along with it wants it forgotten.

When nobody becomes accountable for nonsense like what we had to deal with you are very likely to experience something similar again. The way to solve that is to make sure actions have consequences. But that won’t happen, so you are right, this is all a gigantic waste of time.

No, your perseveration is “the problem.” The “being held accountable,” the reckoning, the holding out for punishment and/or future assurances ISN’T COMING. It. Is. Not. Coming.

Cope and move on. If you need professional help to do that, get it.

DP. I don’t think the PP disagrees that it isn’t coming. But that’s the problem. There are so many people and institutions that want to sweep their mistakes under the rug. And that increases the chance that similar mistakes will be made in the future.

If they know it is not coming, then STOP ENDLESSLY PERSEVERATING ABOUT IT AND MOVE ON. If in 2023, you cannot do that, you seriously need professional help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

This is the exact attitude that’s the problem. Everybody who was involved in the decision making insanity wants it forgotten so they aren’t held accountable. Everybody that went along with it wants it forgotten.

When nobody becomes accountable for nonsense like what we had to deal with you are very likely to experience something similar again. The way to solve that is to make sure actions have consequences. But that won’t happen, so you are right, this is all a gigantic waste of time.

No, your perseveration is “the problem.” The “being held accountable,” the reckoning, the holding out for punishment and/or future assurances ISN’T COMING. It. Is. Not. Coming.

Cope and move on. If you need professional help to do that, get it.

Did you read what you responded to? I suspect not.

But, you do know about caps lock and periods. So we have that. The reference to professional help is also a nice touch. I’m sure you are a gas in your personal life and have tons of friends.

“A gas?” Are you 80?

And I have plenty of friends, more than I have time to see. Thanks for your failed attempt, though. Really says a lot about you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

This is the exact attitude that’s the problem. Everybody who was involved in the decision making insanity wants it forgotten so they aren’t held accountable. Everybody that went along with it wants it forgotten.

When nobody becomes accountable for nonsense like what we had to deal with you are very likely to experience something similar again. The way to solve that is to make sure actions have consequences. But that won’t happen, so you are right, this is all a gigantic waste of time.

DP.
I have no hope of holding anyone accountable, but I hope at least some people are taking note, and next time they won’t blindly follow the guidance but use their common sense.
I regret not traveling more to places that had fewer precautions, and not traveling more in general. I should have taken my kid out of the stupid “school” and away to see the country. So yeah I’ve made my conclusions for sure.

I hope to God we don't have another pandemic in my lifetime. Morons like you will think you "learned something" from getting through Covid, will ignore any recommendations in favor of your own "common sense" and things will be even worse. *If* we have another pandemic, you have no frickin idea what it will entail. It won't be the same virus. Maybe the next one will impact kids more than adults. Maybe it will be more deadly. Whatever, you have no idea and to say you know what to do next time is absolute arrogant nonsense.

Honestly, sit down and shut up.

If you actually have a real recommendation about how we help kids go forward from here and help them now, rather than blathering on with your impotent rage over Covid, let us know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

This is the exact attitude that’s the problem. Everybody who was involved in the decision making insanity wants it forgotten so they aren’t held accountable. Everybody that went along with it wants it forgotten.

When nobody becomes accountable for nonsense like what we had to deal with you are very likely to experience something similar again. The way to solve that is to make sure actions have consequences. But that won’t happen, so you are right, this is all a gigantic waste of time.

DP.
I have no hope of holding anyone accountable, but I hope at least some people are taking note, and next time they won’t blindly follow the guidance but use their common sense.
I regret not traveling more to places that had fewer precautions, and not traveling more in general. I should have taken my kid out of the stupid “school” and away to see the country. So yeah I’ve made my conclusions for sure.

Yep. Our political leaders completely abdicated decision-making authority and the weighing of risks in favor of public health group think. Trust in a lot of institutions was shattered during the pandemic. Don't expect a lot of compliance the next time around.

And that could lead to a lot of deaths, because you don't know what the virus will be next time.

Please don't let there be a next time. Too many stupid angry people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

This is the exact attitude that’s the problem. Everybody who was involved in the decision making insanity wants it forgotten so they aren’t held accountable. Everybody that went along with it wants it forgotten.

When nobody becomes accountable for nonsense like what we had to deal with you are very likely to experience something similar again. The way to solve that is to make sure actions have consequences. But that won’t happen, so you are right, this is all a gigantic waste of time.

DP.
I have no hope of holding anyone accountable, but I hope at least some people are taking note, and next time they won’t blindly follow the guidance but use their common sense.
I regret not traveling more to places that had fewer precautions, and not traveling more in general. I should have taken my kid out of the stupid “school” and away to see the country. So yeah I’ve made my conclusions for sure.

I hope to God we don't have another pandemic in my lifetime. Morons like you will think you "learned something" from getting through Covid, will ignore any recommendations in favor of your own "common sense" and things will be even worse. *If* we have another pandemic, you have no frickin idea what it will entail. It won't be the same virus. Maybe the next one will impact kids more than adults. Maybe it will be more deadly. Whatever, you have no idea and to say you know what to do next time is absolute arrogant nonsense.

Honestly, sit down and shut up.

If you actually have a real recommendation about how we help kids go forward from here and help them now, rather than blathering on with your impotent rage over Covid, let us know.

Sit down. Shut up and trust the experts. They guided us so well in the past, their judgment is beyond reproach.

[Anonymous]

Telling people to shut up and get over something NEVER works. People need to feel heard. Like their lived experience has a taught us something.

Otherwise, what was the point of the suffering if we didn't gain wisdom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Telling people to shut up and get over something NEVER works. People need to feel heard. Like their lived experience has a taught us something.

Otherwise, what was the point of the suffering if we didn't gain wisdom.

Ding ding ding.

People are still talking about this because they’ve been told 800x to shut up and “get over it.” The more they hear this, the angrier they get. It’s just human nature.

DCUM, in particular, will never be free of this conversation, because the places where it should have already taken place (meetings between the authorities who made these decisions and the people who lived with them) have been made unwelcoming to dissent or honest exchange. So anonymous online forums have to get accustomed to this rage, because it has nowhere else to go. If it bugs you, my recommendation is to simply not read these threads.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And what does mental health funding mean? There aren’t enough care providers to support the mental health issues in this country. What are you planning to fund that will have immediate impact?

There are lots of options. Maybe not great ones but there are options. Most parents don’t want to deal with it except the rare few.

Do you speak from experience? You've had a suicidal kid that you were able to get help for - maybe not "great" help, but help. The parents who are in the trenches dealing with the fallout are like canaries in a coal mine. We know there is a huge problem and that help is not really available unless we can pay out of pocket and even then it is very difficult to access effect resources to help our children.

People who think Covid "lock downs" didn't impact a generation of youth are kidding themselves. But I guess we will have to wait 10 years for the longitudinal studies to get them to listen.

We didn't have lockdowns and you don't seem to understand what a lockdown is. Yes, I've spent many years dealing with mental health issues with kids/teens, far more than you probably have. There are options. A lot of providers have moved online/virtual and parents refuse that options.

Real problem is most parents don't recognize the signs, wait till its too late, aren't willing to make lifestyle changes, etc. You can get a great therapist and medication but it's not often as simple as that. You need to change your homelife, your behavior as a parent, possibly the school and other things.

These things happened long before covid. It's just not something people spoke about prior to covid. That's the difference.

Obviously mental health issues were an issue long before Covid. Here's how Covid made it harder: therapists are jammed and have long waitlists. When you can get an appointment during the pandemic, it was always virtual. Some kids do well with virtual, some don't. Can be difficult to establish relationship with therapist when you start out virtually, if, say you're a twelve-year-old. During the pandemic, IOPs and PHPs went from being on site, multi-layered programs to being virtual programs that lasted an hour or two. So your struggling kid is sitting in bed on a screen instead of being in a therapeutic environment. Next, try to find an in-network Psych who sees kids. See how long their wait lists are.

I think you are belittling parents who generally do the best they can given their experience levels and resources. It sounds like you are now a pro at dealing with mental health issues for kids. I'm not arguing that this stuff wasn't around before 2020, but I'm saying there's more of it and it is now even harder for parents to find help. And that IS a result of Covid not-actual-lockdowns.

Again, this is nothing new. There was always a shortage of good mental health services but one good thing Covid did was bring virtual appointments so there is more access. Everything has been back to normal for two years for most people. Stop blaming Covid and understand mental health better. It’s easier to find help with social media, websites like this and virtual appointments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

This is the exact attitude that’s the problem. Everybody who was involved in the decision making insanity wants it forgotten so they aren’t held accountable. Everybody that went along with it wants it forgotten.

When nobody becomes accountable for nonsense like what we had to deal with you are very likely to experience something similar again. The way to solve that is to make sure actions have consequences. But that won’t happen, so you are right, this is all a gigantic waste of time.

DP.
I have no hope of holding anyone accountable, but I hope at least some people are taking note, and next time they won’t blindly follow the guidance but use their common sense.
I regret not traveling more to places that had fewer precautions, and not traveling more in general. I should have taken my kid out of the stupid “school” and away to see the country. So yeah I’ve made my conclusions for sure.

Yep. Our political leaders completely abdicated decision-making authority and the weighing of risks in favor of public health group think. Trust in a lot of institutions was shattered during the pandemic. Don't expect a lot of compliance the next time around.

And that could lead to a lot of deaths, because you don't know what the virus will be next time.

Please don't let there be a next time. Too many stupid angry people.

If they did a real lockdown and handled it better more lives could have been saved.

[Anonymous]

The age range here is 10-24. Could be more meaningful if age ranges were narrowed.

Covid happened--but all we can say is that these things happened at the same time. Covid didn't just mean lockdowns, though: it meant kids who lost primary caregivers and other caregivers. It meant sharply increasing division about the disease itself. I can see kids not paying as much attention to the other political stuff as to the Covid political stuff, because the later was so close to home.

Those first few months were spooky, scary times. The pandemic was so palpable yet so invisible if you were not directly affected by disease itself.

For working people who became unemployed, eventually they were getting the money they needed, but the early months of pandemic unemployment were a shitshow. I got assigned to work with some of that stuff--they were giving call center people suicide hotline numbers to give to callers, people were losing their housing as well as their jobs, not just poor people, some people in the first 5 years or so of professional careers with debt and not a lot stashed away were panicking.

George Floyd also happened in 2020.

In 2019 1 million guns were sold in the US in April. In April 2020 2.6 million were sold.

From 1950 to 1980 suicide rates among white males 15-19 increased by 305%, 196% among white males 20-24.