Unintended Consequences of Covid

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ And, I’ll add that there are people who don’t want to look back and evaluate the errors that were made.

Why is that? Why would you not want to learn from our mistakes for the next time something like this happens? Our public health officials deserve some scrutiny. Fauci and the rest screwed up royally.

I would love for us to look back and learn real lessons for the future.

But unfortunately, that won't happen, because of angry a-hats like you, who don't *really* want to learn anything, you just want to punish someone. Maybe you think it will make you feel better. Maybe you have the emotional maturity of a five-year-old. I don't really care. Stupid idiots like you won't really want to hear what the lessons are, because if they don't all jibe with your "public officials were all awful people who conspired to destroy my children" narrative, and if no one ends up with their head on the chopping block, you'll ignore the lessons anyway and waste everyone's time with your angry nonsense in your quest for blood.

People are morons. We never learn from things like this and just repeat our mistakes. Like the PPs on this and other threads going on about how you'll never listen to public officials again and how you *know* so much about how things should go. If there is another pandemic in our lifetimes (God, I hope not), you'll put people's lives at risk, because of what you think you "know".

Or the GOP will take any grain of truth from the lessons that they can possibly twist and use it to further dismantle public school systems.

I would love for us to look back earnestly and try to learn real lessons for the future. I would love for us to come together to try and work on ways to help our children going forward. But none of that will happen because people suck.

The big mistakes were not catching it quick enough and doing a real lockdown and making it last much longer so we could have saved more lives. You aren't thinking of or care about the kids who lost parents, grandparents and other loved ones who lost their lives way to early. The kids who are orphaned because of this. The kids who were in the ICU because of severe covid. The kids who have long term health issues because of it or their parents. All you care about is ranting about how your kids, like many were in virtual school and you couldn't handle them being home with you which is so odd given you have to care for them all summer or are they at sleep away camp or relatives?

Our officials failed in in not taking this more seriously early on and how they behaved during it by setting a bad example.

There is no analysis in which “do a real lockdown earlier” would have prevented what has happened (and will keep happening to 1200 people a week—plus a significant number of people getting long COVID and post-COVID diagnoses of other kinds—until we have a sterilizing vaccine, do something real about indoor air quality to prevent it, or both).

This is just nuttiness and does not contribute to a rational evaluation of this interval.

For frame of reference, I wear a mask all of the time indoors, unless there is a medical need not to.

You’re correct, stopping the spread was never possible. It was already in multiple European countries before the first cases were reported in China. Not sure what wearing a mask for the rest of your life has to do with anything.

My point is that even someone who continues to take COVID dead serious—delusionally so according to others in this very thread—can recognize that analysis as off the wall.

Hopefully those who think COVID is now “just a cold for the vaccinated” and yet are still enraged by various social distancing measures (including school closures) that took place at least 2 years ago can step back and take a deep breath about the nutso things said on their side of this as well.

Covid now is just a serious cold for most as it’s finally mutated enough to be less severe and it’s killed off the majority it could, sadly. But, some of us learned from that experience to know basic precautions can go a long way in keeping healthy.

A closer comparison regarding severity would be influenza, which we take some precautions for, but certainly aren't masking or broadly shutting down activities every winter.

Deaths from COVID have not yet declined to match a bad flu year in most of our lifetimes. Let alone the level of death and disability from post-COVID complications.

What public officials say about all of this does matter. The continued excess deaths in this decade will eventually tell on them—history won’t look kindly on them for having led the acceptance of it as “urgently normal.”

Either way most people only care about themselves so all you can do at this point is continue caution and mask.

Why is completely shutting down the economy, isolating children and the elderly, caring about others? It’s not. The fact is, the crazed zero-coviders are the ones making it all about themselves and their extreme anxiety.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ And, I’ll add that there are people who don’t want to look back and evaluate the errors that were made.

Why is that? Why would you not want to learn from our mistakes for the next time something like this happens? Our public health officials deserve some scrutiny. Fauci and the rest screwed up royally.

I would love for us to look back and learn real lessons for the future.

But unfortunately, that won't happen, because of angry a-hats like you, who don't *really* want to learn anything, you just want to punish someone. Maybe you think it will make you feel better. Maybe you have the emotional maturity of a five-year-old. I don't really care. Stupid idiots like you won't really want to hear what the lessons are, because if they don't all jibe with your "public officials were all awful people who conspired to destroy my children" narrative, and if no one ends up with their head on the chopping block, you'll ignore the lessons anyway and waste everyone's time with your angry nonsense in your quest for blood.

People are morons. We never learn from things like this and just repeat our mistakes. Like the PPs on this and other threads going on about how you'll never listen to public officials again and how you *know* so much about how things should go. If there is another pandemic in our lifetimes (God, I hope not), you'll put people's lives at risk, because of what you think you "know".

Or the GOP will take any grain of truth from the lessons that they can possibly twist and use it to further dismantle public school systems.

I would love for us to look back earnestly and try to learn real lessons for the future. I would love for us to come together to try and work on ways to help our children going forward. But none of that will happen because people suck.

The big mistakes were not catching it quick enough and doing a real lockdown and making it last much longer so we could have saved more lives. You aren't thinking of or care about the kids who lost parents, grandparents and other loved ones who lost their lives way to early. The kids who are orphaned because of this. The kids who were in the ICU because of severe covid. The kids who have long term health issues because of it or their parents. All you care about is ranting about how your kids, like many were in virtual school and you couldn't handle them being home with you which is so odd given you have to care for them all summer or are they at sleep away camp or relatives?

Our officials failed in in not taking this more seriously early on and how they behaved during it by setting a bad example.

There is no analysis in which “do a real lockdown earlier” would have prevented what has happened (and will keep happening to 1200 people a week—plus a significant number of people getting long COVID and post-COVID diagnoses of other kinds—until we have a sterilizing vaccine, do something real about indoor air quality to prevent it, or both).

This is just nuttiness and does not contribute to a rational evaluation of this interval.

For frame of reference, I wear a mask all of the time indoors, unless there is a medical need not to.

You’re correct, stopping the spread was never possible. It was already in multiple European countries before the first cases were reported in China. Not sure what wearing a mask for the rest of your life has to do with anything.

My point is that even someone who continues to take COVID dead serious—delusionally so according to others in this very thread—can recognize that analysis as off the wall.

Hopefully those who think COVID is now “just a cold for the vaccinated” and yet are still enraged by various social distancing measures (including school closures) that took place at least 2 years ago can step back and take a deep breath about the nutso things said on their side of this as well.

Covid now is just a serious cold for most as it’s finally mutated enough to be less severe and it’s killed off the majority it could, sadly. But, some of us learned from that experience to know basic precautions can go a long way in keeping healthy.

A closer comparison regarding severity would be influenza, which we take some precautions for, but certainly aren't masking or broadly shutting down activities every winter.

Deaths from COVID have not yet declined to match a bad flu year in most of our lifetimes. Let alone the level of death and disability from post-COVID complications.

What public officials say about all of this does matter. The continued excess deaths in this decade will eventually tell on them—history won’t look kindly on them for having led the acceptance of it as “urgently normal.”

I struggle with the comparison because we track covid and flu deaths differently. Believe it or not, influenza deaths are only required to be reported in pediatric patients. They are otherwise tracked through modeling and death records. Covid deaths are required to be reported by hospitals and also tracked by death records along with jurisdiction review. At this point in the pandemic, COVID deaths are generally not as straightforward as they were. They are complicated cases with multiple factors. We don't see straightforward covid deaths secondary to acute hypoxic respiratory failure with regularity anymore at all.

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This is a pretty ignorant post. They went virtual because the death rate of adults. Kids live with adults who care for them and they could bring home covid. How hard is that to understand? You have several kids in multiple large schools and a highly contagious disease.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ And, I’ll add that there are people who don’t want to look back and evaluate the errors that were made.

Why is that? Why would you not want to learn from our mistakes for the next time something like this happens? Our public health officials deserve some scrutiny. Fauci and the rest screwed up royally.

I would love for us to look back and learn real lessons for the future.

But unfortunately, that won't happen, because of angry a-hats like you, who don't *really* want to learn anything, you just want to punish someone. Maybe you think it will make you feel better. Maybe you have the emotional maturity of a five-year-old. I don't really care. Stupid idiots like you won't really want to hear what the lessons are, because if they don't all jibe with your "public officials were all awful people who conspired to destroy my children" narrative, and if no one ends up with their head on the chopping block, you'll ignore the lessons anyway and waste everyone's time with your angry nonsense in your quest for blood.

People are morons. We never learn from things like this and just repeat our mistakes. Like the PPs on this and other threads going on about how you'll never listen to public officials again and how you *know* so much about how things should go. If there is another pandemic in our lifetimes (God, I hope not), you'll put people's lives at risk, because of what you think you "know".

Or the GOP will take any grain of truth from the lessons that they can possibly twist and use it to further dismantle public school systems.

I would love for us to look back earnestly and try to learn real lessons for the future. I would love for us to come together to try and work on ways to help our children going forward. But none of that will happen because people suck.

The big mistakes were not catching it quick enough and doing a real lockdown and making it last much longer so we could have saved more lives. You aren't thinking of or care about the kids who lost parents, grandparents and other loved ones who lost their lives way to early. The kids who are orphaned because of this. The kids who were in the ICU because of severe covid. The kids who have long term health issues because of it or their parents. All you care about is ranting about how your kids, like many were in virtual school and you couldn't handle them being home with you which is so odd given you have to care for them all summer or are they at sleep away camp or relatives?

Our officials failed in in not taking this more seriously early on and how they behaved during it by setting a bad example.

There is no analysis in which “do a real lockdown earlier” would have prevented what has happened (and will keep happening to 1200 people a week—plus a significant number of people getting long COVID and post-COVID diagnoses of other kinds—until we have a sterilizing vaccine, do something real about indoor air quality to prevent it, or both).

This is just nuttiness and does not contribute to a rational evaluation of this interval.

For frame of reference, I wear a mask all of the time indoors, unless there is a medical need not to.

You’re correct, stopping the spread was never possible. It was already in multiple European countries before the first cases were reported in China. Not sure what wearing a mask for the rest of your life has to do with anything.

My point is that even someone who continues to take COVID dead serious—delusionally so according to others in this very thread—can recognize that analysis as off the wall.

Hopefully those who think COVID is now “just a cold for the vaccinated” and yet are still enraged by various social distancing measures (including school closures) that took place at least 2 years ago can step back and take a deep breath about the nutso things said on their side of this as well.

Covid now is just a serious cold for most as it’s finally mutated enough to be less severe and it’s killed off the majority it could, sadly. But, some of us learned from that experience to know basic precautions can go a long way in keeping healthy.

A closer comparison regarding severity would be influenza, which we take some precautions for, but certainly aren't masking or broadly shutting down activities every winter.

Deaths from COVID have not yet declined to match a bad flu year in most of our lifetimes. Let alone the level of death and disability from post-COVID complications.

What public officials say about all of this does matter. The continued excess deaths in this decade will eventually tell on them—history won’t look kindly on them for having led the acceptance of it as “urgently normal.”

Either way most people only care about themselves so all you can do at this point is continue caution and mask.

Why is completely shutting down the economy, isolating children and the elderly, caring about others? It’s not. The fact is, the crazed zero-coviders are the ones making it all about themselves and their extreme anxiety.

Right, let's just forget that covid killed many people. People were only as isolated as they choose to be. We didn't shut down the economy. Grow up already.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ And, I’ll add that there are people who don’t want to look back and evaluate the errors that were made.

Why is that? Why would you not want to learn from our mistakes for the next time something like this happens? Our public health officials deserve some scrutiny. Fauci and the rest screwed up royally.

I would love for us to look back and learn real lessons for the future.

But unfortunately, that won't happen, because of angry a-hats like you, who don't *really* want to learn anything, you just want to punish someone. Maybe you think it will make you feel better. Maybe you have the emotional maturity of a five-year-old. I don't really care. Stupid idiots like you won't really want to hear what the lessons are, because if they don't all jibe with your "public officials were all awful people who conspired to destroy my children" narrative, and if no one ends up with their head on the chopping block, you'll ignore the lessons anyway and waste everyone's time with your angry nonsense in your quest for blood.

People are morons. We never learn from things like this and just repeat our mistakes. Like the PPs on this and other threads going on about how you'll never listen to public officials again and how you *know* so much about how things should go. If there is another pandemic in our lifetimes (God, I hope not), you'll put people's lives at risk, because of what you think you "know".

Or the GOP will take any grain of truth from the lessons that they can possibly twist and use it to further dismantle public school systems.

I would love for us to look back earnestly and try to learn real lessons for the future. I would love for us to come together to try and work on ways to help our children going forward. But none of that will happen because people suck.

The big mistakes were not catching it quick enough and doing a real lockdown and making it last much longer so we could have saved more lives. You aren't thinking of or care about the kids who lost parents, grandparents and other loved ones who lost their lives way to early. The kids who are orphaned because of this. The kids who were in the ICU because of severe covid. The kids who have long term health issues because of it or their parents. All you care about is ranting about how your kids, like many were in virtual school and you couldn't handle them being home with you which is so odd given you have to care for them all summer or are they at sleep away camp or relatives?

Our officials failed in in not taking this more seriously early on and how they behaved during it by setting a bad example.

There is no analysis in which “do a real lockdown earlier” would have prevented what has happened (and will keep happening to 1200 people a week—plus a significant number of people getting long COVID and post-COVID diagnoses of other kinds—until we have a sterilizing vaccine, do something real about indoor air quality to prevent it, or both).

This is just nuttiness and does not contribute to a rational evaluation of this interval.

For frame of reference, I wear a mask all of the time indoors, unless there is a medical need not to.

You’re correct, stopping the spread was never possible. It was already in multiple European countries before the first cases were reported in China. Not sure what wearing a mask for the rest of your life has to do with anything.

My point is that even someone who continues to take COVID dead serious—delusionally so according to others in this very thread—can recognize that analysis as off the wall.

Hopefully those who think COVID is now “just a cold for the vaccinated” and yet are still enraged by various social distancing measures (including school closures) that took place at least 2 years ago can step back and take a deep breath about the nutso things said on their side of this as well.

Covid now is just a serious cold for most as it’s finally mutated enough to be less severe and it’s killed off the majority it could, sadly. But, some of us learned from that experience to know basic precautions can go a long way in keeping healthy.

A closer comparison regarding severity would be influenza, which we take some precautions for, but certainly aren't masking or broadly shutting down activities every winter.

Deaths from COVID have not yet declined to match a bad flu year in most of our lifetimes. Let alone the level of death and disability from post-COVID complications.

What public officials say about all of this does matter. The continued excess deaths in this decade will eventually tell on them—history won’t look kindly on them for having led the acceptance of it as “urgently normal.”

Wtf were we all supposed to do? Truly, the writing was on the wall as of Omicron (earlier for people who actually understand coronaviruses). China tried and failed to reach zero covid. It is literally impossible.

China failed as they let in foreigners who brought it in. They went from multiple extremes and loosened too early.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ And, I’ll add that there are people who don’t want to look back and evaluate the errors that were made.

Why is that? Why would you not want to learn from our mistakes for the next time something like this happens? Our public health officials deserve some scrutiny. Fauci and the rest screwed up royally.

I would love for us to look back and learn real lessons for the future.

But unfortunately, that won't happen, because of angry a-hats like you, who don't *really* want to learn anything, you just want to punish someone. Maybe you think it will make you feel better. Maybe you have the emotional maturity of a five-year-old. I don't really care. Stupid idiots like you won't really want to hear what the lessons are, because if they don't all jibe with your "public officials were all awful people who conspired to destroy my children" narrative, and if no one ends up with their head on the chopping block, you'll ignore the lessons anyway and waste everyone's time with your angry nonsense in your quest for blood.

People are morons. We never learn from things like this and just repeat our mistakes. Like the PPs on this and other threads going on about how you'll never listen to public officials again and how you *know* so much about how things should go. If there is another pandemic in our lifetimes (God, I hope not), you'll put people's lives at risk, because of what you think you "know".

Or the GOP will take any grain of truth from the lessons that they can possibly twist and use it to further dismantle public school systems.

I would love for us to look back earnestly and try to learn real lessons for the future. I would love for us to come together to try and work on ways to help our children going forward. But none of that will happen because people suck.

The big mistakes were not catching it quick enough and doing a real lockdown and making it last much longer so we could have saved more lives. You aren't thinking of or care about the kids who lost parents, grandparents and other loved ones who lost their lives way to early. The kids who are orphaned because of this. The kids who were in the ICU because of severe covid. The kids who have long term health issues because of it or their parents. All you care about is ranting about how your kids, like many were in virtual school and you couldn't handle them being home with you which is so odd given you have to care for them all summer or are they at sleep away camp or relatives?

Our officials failed in in not taking this more seriously early on and how they behaved during it by setting a bad example.

There is no analysis in which “do a real lockdown earlier” would have prevented what has happened (and will keep happening to 1200 people a week—plus a significant number of people getting long COVID and post-COVID diagnoses of other kinds—until we have a sterilizing vaccine, do something real about indoor air quality to prevent it, or both).

This is just nuttiness and does not contribute to a rational evaluation of this interval.

For frame of reference, I wear a mask all of the time indoors, unless there is a medical need not to.

You’re correct, stopping the spread was never possible. It was already in multiple European countries before the first cases were reported in China. Not sure what wearing a mask for the rest of your life has to do with anything.

My point is that even someone who continues to take COVID dead serious—delusionally so according to others in this very thread—can recognize that analysis as off the wall.

Hopefully those who think COVID is now “just a cold for the vaccinated” and yet are still enraged by various social distancing measures (including school closures) that took place at least 2 years ago can step back and take a deep breath about the nutso things said on their side of this as well.

Covid now is just a serious cold for most as it’s finally mutated enough to be less severe and it’s killed off the majority it could, sadly. But, some of us learned from that experience to know basic precautions can go a long way in keeping healthy.

A closer comparison regarding severity would be influenza, which we take some precautions for, but certainly aren't masking or broadly shutting down activities every winter.

Deaths from COVID have not yet declined to match a bad flu year in most of our lifetimes. Let alone the level of death and disability from post-COVID complications.

What public officials say about all of this does matter. The continued excess deaths in this decade will eventually tell on them—history won’t look kindly on them for having led the acceptance of it as “urgently normal.”

I struggle with the comparison because we track covid and flu deaths differently. Believe it or not, influenza deaths are only required to be reported in pediatric patients. They are otherwise tracked through modeling and death records. Covid deaths are required to be reported by hospitals and also tracked by death records along with jurisdiction review. At this point in the pandemic, COVID deaths are generally not as straightforward as they were. They are complicated cases with multiple factors. We don't see straightforward covid deaths secondary to acute hypoxic respiratory failure with regularity anymore at all.

Excess all-cause death vs pre-COVID remain significant--for more than one reason, but COVID itself is one. Not all of the deaths it causes are via acute hypoxic respiratory failure; ex. some of them are via clotting events that would not have happened in the absence of COVID, and the numbers on those get worse with repeat infections.

Also a good reminder that there's no real reporting structure for COVID-associated disability.

[Anonymous]

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This is a pretty ignorant post. They went virtual because the death rate of adults. Kids live with adults who care for them and they could bring home covid. How hard is that to understand? You have several kids in multiple large schools and a highly contagious disease.

Yes but healthcare workers who are parents worked (obviously they had to).

We could have taken a stance that school serves such a vital role to pediatric wellbeing and health that we considered teachers essential workers... mandate school masking and install HEPA filtration in schools the same way we rapidly retrofitted individual patient rooms with HEPA filters vented outside. My hospital went from a few negative pressure rooms to tons of them within a couple weeks. Why couldn't we do this with classrooms?

Install heated outdoor tents at schools the way hospitals did outside ERs to help classrooms spread out, kids be able to eat lunch when they remove their masks. Shut down streets for school tent space at city schools with limited outdoor space.

That was my POV as a healthcare worker who worked the entire pandemic AND saw the detrimental impact of virtual learning on my elementary school kid.

We also could have prioritized teachers in all districts when the vaccine first came out. We didn't.

We absolutely should take the learning on the impact of this pandemic on kids. We are STILL seeing impacts today in multiple ways. And we also know we can expect another pandemic in fewer than 100 years so it is imperative that we figure this out for the next one.

[Anonymous]

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This is a pretty ignorant post. They went virtual because the death rate of adults. Kids live with adults who care for them and they could bring home covid. How hard is that to understand? You have several kids in multiple large schools and a highly contagious disease.

Yes but healthcare workers who are parents worked (obviously they had to).

We could have taken a stance that school serves such a vital role to pediatric wellbeing and health that we considered teachers essential workers... mandate school masking and install HEPA filtration in schools the same way we rapidly retrofitted individual patient rooms with HEPA filters vented outside. My hospital went from a few negative pressure rooms to tons of them within a couple weeks. Why couldn't we do this with classrooms?

Install heated outdoor tents at schools the way hospitals did outside ERs to help classrooms spread out, kids be able to eat lunch when they remove their masks. Shut down streets for school tent space at city schools with limited outdoor space.

That was my POV as a healthcare worker who worked the entire pandemic AND saw the detrimental impact of virtual learning on my elementary school kid.

We also could have prioritized teachers in all districts when the vaccine first came out. We didn't.

We absolutely should take the learning on the impact of this pandemic on kids. We are STILL seeing impacts today in multiple ways. And we also know we can expect another pandemic in fewer than 100 years so it is imperative that we figure this out for the next one.

100% agree with this take. Thanks for articulating it well.

[Anonymous]

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This is a pretty ignorant post. They went virtual because the death rate of adults. Kids live with adults who care for them and they could bring home covid. How hard is that to understand? You have several kids in multiple large schools and a highly contagious disease.

Yes but healthcare workers who are parents worked (obviously they had to).

We could have taken a stance that school serves such a vital role to pediatric wellbeing and health that we considered teachers essential workers... mandate school masking and install HEPA filtration in schools the same way we rapidly retrofitted individual patient rooms with HEPA filters vented outside. My hospital went from a few negative pressure rooms to tons of them within a couple weeks. Why couldn't we do this with classrooms?

Install heated outdoor tents at schools the way hospitals did outside ERs to help classrooms spread out, kids be able to eat lunch when they remove their masks. Shut down streets for school tent space at city schools with limited outdoor space.

That was my POV as a healthcare worker who worked the entire pandemic AND saw the detrimental impact of virtual learning on my elementary school kid.

We also could have prioritized teachers in all districts when the vaccine first came out. We didn't.

We absolutely should take the learning on the impact of this pandemic on kids. We are STILL seeing impacts today in multiple ways. And we also know we can expect another pandemic in fewer than 100 years so it is imperative that we figure this out for the next one.

100% agree with this take. Thanks for articulating it well.

Some good ideas here. We could have prioritized upgrades to classrooms for the k-3rd set/special needs students, e.g. the children who were least able to learn remotely.

[Anonymous]

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This is a pretty ignorant post. They went virtual because the death rate of adults. Kids live with adults who care for them and they could bring home covid. How hard is that to understand? You have several kids in multiple large schools and a highly contagious disease.

Yes but healthcare workers who are parents worked (obviously they had to).

We could have taken a stance that school serves such a vital role to pediatric wellbeing and health that we considered teachers essential workers... mandate school masking and install HEPA filtration in schools the same way we rapidly retrofitted individual patient rooms with HEPA filters vented outside. My hospital went from a few negative pressure rooms to tons of them within a couple weeks. Why couldn't we do this with classrooms?

Install heated outdoor tents at schools the way hospitals did outside ERs to help classrooms spread out, kids be able to eat lunch when they remove their masks. Shut down streets for school tent space at city schools with limited outdoor space.

That was my POV as a healthcare worker who worked the entire pandemic AND saw the detrimental impact of virtual learning on my elementary school kid.

We also could have prioritized teachers in all districts when the vaccine first came out. We didn't.

We absolutely should take the learning on the impact of this pandemic on kids. We are STILL seeing impacts today in multiple ways. And we also know we can expect another pandemic in fewer than 100 years so it is imperative that we figure this out for the next one.

100% agree with this take. Thanks for articulating it well.

Some good ideas here. We could have prioritized upgrades to classrooms for the k-3rd set/special needs students, e.g. the children who were least able to learn remotely.

You could have volunteered to work in a school. When mcps reopened in the spring a lot of families elected to work email virtual. You wanted your kids back in person. You could have moved, gone private or hired help. Special needs kids are not your best talking point when some would be severely at risk. Some of them are still virtual.

[Anonymous]

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This is a pretty ignorant post. They went virtual because the death rate of adults. Kids live with adults who care for them and they could bring home covid. How hard is that to understand? You have several kids in multiple large schools and a highly contagious disease.

Yes but healthcare workers who are parents worked (obviously they had to).

We could have taken a stance that school serves such a vital role to pediatric wellbeing and health that we considered teachers essential workers... mandate school masking and install HEPA filtration in schools the same way we rapidly retrofitted individual patient rooms with HEPA filters vented outside. My hospital went from a few negative pressure rooms to tons of them within a couple weeks. Why couldn't we do this with classrooms?

Install heated outdoor tents at schools the way hospitals did outside ERs to help classrooms spread out, kids be able to eat lunch when they remove their masks. Shut down streets for school tent space at city schools with limited outdoor space.

That was my POV as a healthcare worker who worked the entire pandemic AND saw the detrimental impact of virtual learning on my elementary school kid.

We also could have prioritized teachers in all districts when the vaccine first came out. We didn't.

We absolutely should take the learning on the impact of this pandemic on kids. We are STILL seeing impacts today in multiple ways. And we also know we can expect another pandemic in fewer than 100 years so it is imperative that we figure this out for the next one.

Mcps had child care for families who needed it. We did prioritize teachers for vaccines but sone had health issues. The priority was for adults who are complainers, not for the teachers.

[Anonymous]

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This is a pretty ignorant post. They went virtual because the death rate of adults. Kids live with adults who care for them and they could bring home covid. How hard is that to understand? You have several kids in multiple large schools and a highly contagious disease.

Yes but healthcare workers who are parents worked (obviously they had to).

We could have taken a stance that school serves such a vital role to pediatric wellbeing and health that we considered teachers essential workers... mandate school masking and install HEPA filtration in schools the same way we rapidly retrofitted individual patient rooms with HEPA filters vented outside. My hospital went from a few negative pressure rooms to tons of them within a couple weeks. Why couldn't we do this with classrooms?

Install heated outdoor tents at schools the way hospitals did outside ERs to help classrooms spread out, kids be able to eat lunch when they remove their masks. Shut down streets for school tent space at city schools with limited outdoor space.

That was my POV as a healthcare worker who worked the entire pandemic AND saw the detrimental impact of virtual learning on my elementary school kid.

We also could have prioritized teachers in all districts when the vaccine first came out. We didn't.

We absolutely should take the learning on the impact of this pandemic on kids. We are STILL seeing impacts today in multiple ways. And we also know we can expect another pandemic in fewer than 100 years so it is imperative that we figure this out for the next one.

100% agree with this take. Thanks for articulating it well.

Some good ideas here. We could have prioritized upgrades to classrooms for the k-3rd set/special needs students, e.g. the children who were least able to learn remotely.

You could have volunteered to work in a school. When mcps reopened in the spring a lot of families elected to work email virtual. You wanted your kids back in person. You could have moved, gone private or hired help. Special needs kids are not your best talking point when some would be severely at risk. Some of them are still virtual.

You were given priority to the vaccine, are paid by the government as essential workers and abdicated your responsibility to the public.
The reason public schools are going from bad to worse is because people like you are telling parents to suck up it or leave. And they are leaving, literally and figuratively. Parents are not seeing the value in throwing good money after bad at people and institutions that despise them.

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This is a pretty ignorant post. They went virtual because the death rate of adults. Kids live with adults who care for them and they could bring home covid. How hard is that to understand? You have several kids in multiple large schools and a highly contagious disease.

Yes but healthcare workers who are parents worked (obviously they had to).

We could have taken a stance that school serves such a vital role to pediatric wellbeing and health that we considered teachers essential workers... mandate school masking and install HEPA filtration in schools the same way we rapidly retrofitted individual patient rooms with HEPA filters vented outside. My hospital went from a few negative pressure rooms to tons of them within a couple weeks. Why couldn't we do this with classrooms?

Install heated outdoor tents at schools the way hospitals did outside ERs to help classrooms spread out, kids be able to eat lunch when they remove their masks. Shut down streets for school tent space at city schools with limited outdoor space.

That was my POV as a healthcare worker who worked the entire pandemic AND saw the detrimental impact of virtual learning on my elementary school kid.

We also could have prioritized teachers in all districts when the vaccine first came out. We didn't.

We absolutely should take the learning on the impact of this pandemic on kids. We are STILL seeing impacts today in multiple ways. And we also know we can expect another pandemic in fewer than 100 years so it is imperative that we figure this out for the next one.

100% agree with this take. Thanks for articulating it well.

Some good ideas here. We could have prioritized upgrades to classrooms for the k-3rd set/special needs students, e.g. the children who were least able to learn remotely.

You could have volunteered to work in a school. When mcps reopened in the spring a lot of families elected to work email virtual. You wanted your kids back in person. You could have moved, gone private or hired help. Special needs kids are not your best talking point when some would be severely at risk. Some of them are still virtual.

You were given priority to the vaccine, are paid by the government as essential workers and abdicated your responsibility to the public.
The reason public schools are going from bad to worse is because people like you are telling parents to suck up it or leave. And they are leaving, literally and figuratively. Parents are not seeing the value in throwing good money after bad at people and institutions that despise them.

What are you talking about? I was in the absolute last vaccine group. And, my kids have been in virtual several years, no issue. Why should I go work at a school and risk my health so you have free child care. The issue is you lost your free child care and weren't used to parenting your kids except a few hours in the evenings and on weekends. Or, worse, you relied on people like me to take your kids after school and weekends to activities and keep them at my house so you'd get a break, and we stopped doing that and never restarted it again as we got tired of you using us and it was expensive feeding your kids constantly and inconvenient to change our schedule to have your kids with us. I take care of my kids, why can't you take care of yours? That's what parents do.

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This is a pretty ignorant post. They went virtual because the death rate of adults. Kids live with adults who care for them and they could bring home covid. How hard is that to understand? You have several kids in multiple large schools and a highly contagious disease.

Yes but healthcare workers who are parents worked (obviously they had to).

We could have taken a stance that school serves such a vital role to pediatric wellbeing and health that we considered teachers essential workers... mandate school masking and install HEPA filtration in schools the same way we rapidly retrofitted individual patient rooms with HEPA filters vented outside. My hospital went from a few negative pressure rooms to tons of them within a couple weeks. Why couldn't we do this with classrooms?

Install heated outdoor tents at schools the way hospitals did outside ERs to help classrooms spread out, kids be able to eat lunch when they remove their masks. Shut down streets for school tent space at city schools with limited outdoor space.

That was my POV as a healthcare worker who worked the entire pandemic AND saw the detrimental impact of virtual learning on my elementary school kid.

We also could have prioritized teachers in all districts when the vaccine first came out. We didn't.

We absolutely should take the learning on the impact of this pandemic on kids. We are STILL seeing impacts today in multiple ways. And we also know we can expect another pandemic in fewer than 100 years so it is imperative that we figure this out for the next one.

100% agree with this take. Thanks for articulating it well.

Some good ideas here. We could have prioritized upgrades to classrooms for the k-3rd set/special needs students, e.g. the children who were least able to learn remotely.

You could have volunteered to work in a school. When mcps reopened in the spring a lot of families elected to work email virtual. You wanted your kids back in person. You could have moved, gone private or hired help. Special needs kids are not your best talking point when some would be severely at risk. Some of them are still virtual.

You were given priority to the vaccine, are paid by the government as essential workers and abdicated your responsibility to the public.
The reason public schools are going from bad to worse is because people like you are telling parents to suck up it or leave. And they are leaving, literally and figuratively. Parents are not seeing the value in throwing good money after bad at people and institutions that despise them.

What are you talking about? I was in the absolute last vaccine group. And, my kids have been in virtual several years, no issue. Why should I go work at a school and risk my health so you have free child care. The issue is you lost your free child care and weren't used to parenting your kids except a few hours in the evenings and on weekends. Or, worse, you relied on people like me to take your kids after school and weekends to activities and keep them at my house so you'd get a break, and we stopped doing that and never restarted it again as we got tired of you using us and it was expensive feeding your kids constantly and inconvenient to change our schedule to have your kids with us. I take care of my kids, why can't you take care of yours? That's what parents do.

And, vaccines don't stop transmission, so clearly it was the right choice to keep many kids home.