Unintended Consequences of Covid

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This is a pretty ignorant post. They went virtual because the death rate of adults. Kids live with adults who care for them and they could bring home covid. How hard is that to understand? You have several kids in multiple large schools and a highly contagious disease.

Yes but healthcare workers who are parents worked (obviously they had to).

We could have taken a stance that school serves such a vital role to pediatric wellbeing and health that we considered teachers essential workers... mandate school masking and install HEPA filtration in schools the same way we rapidly retrofitted individual patient rooms with HEPA filters vented outside. My hospital went from a few negative pressure rooms to tons of them within a couple weeks. Why couldn't we do this with classrooms?

Install heated outdoor tents at schools the way hospitals did outside ERs to help classrooms spread out, kids be able to eat lunch when they remove their masks. Shut down streets for school tent space at city schools with limited outdoor space.

That was my POV as a healthcare worker who worked the entire pandemic AND saw the detrimental impact of virtual learning on my elementary school kid.

We also could have prioritized teachers in all districts when the vaccine first came out. We didn't.

We absolutely should take the learning on the impact of this pandemic on kids. We are STILL seeing impacts today in multiple ways. And we also know we can expect another pandemic in fewer than 100 years so it is imperative that we figure this out for the next one.

100% agree with this take. Thanks for articulating it well.

Some good ideas here. We could have prioritized upgrades to classrooms for the k-3rd set/special needs students, e.g. the children who were least able to learn remotely.

You could have volunteered to work in a school. When mcps reopened in the spring a lot of families elected to work email virtual. You wanted your kids back in person. You could have moved, gone private or hired help. Special needs kids are not your best talking point when some would be severely at risk. Some of them are still virtual.

You were given priority to the vaccine, are paid by the government as essential workers and abdicated your responsibility to the public.
The reason public schools are going from bad to worse is because people like you are telling parents to suck up it or leave. And they are leaving, literally and figuratively. Parents are not seeing the value in throwing good money after bad at people and institutions that despise them.

What are you talking about? I was in the absolute last vaccine group. And, my kids have been in virtual several years, no issue. Why should I go work at a school and risk my health so you have free child care. The issue is you lost your free child care and weren't used to parenting your kids except a few hours in the evenings and on weekends. Or, worse, you relied on people like me to take your kids after school and weekends to activities and keep them at my house so you'd get a break, and we stopped doing that and never restarted it again as we got tired of you using us and it was expensive feeding your kids constantly and inconvenient to change our schedule to have your kids with us. I take care of my kids, why can't you take care of yours? That's what parents do.

This kind of sounds like you were just mad at your friends, and used covid as an excuse to dump them. Versus just being straightforward and explaining issues.

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This is a pretty ignorant post. They went virtual because the death rate of adults. Kids live with adults who care for them and they could bring home covid. How hard is that to understand? You have several kids in multiple large schools and a highly contagious disease.

Yes but healthcare workers who are parents worked (obviously they had to).

We could have taken a stance that school serves such a vital role to pediatric wellbeing and health that we considered teachers essential workers... mandate school masking and install HEPA filtration in schools the same way we rapidly retrofitted individual patient rooms with HEPA filters vented outside. My hospital went from a few negative pressure rooms to tons of them within a couple weeks. Why couldn't we do this with classrooms?

Install heated outdoor tents at schools the way hospitals did outside ERs to help classrooms spread out, kids be able to eat lunch when they remove their masks. Shut down streets for school tent space at city schools with limited outdoor space.

That was my POV as a healthcare worker who worked the entire pandemic AND saw the detrimental impact of virtual learning on my elementary school kid.

We also could have prioritized teachers in all districts when the vaccine first came out. We didn't.

We absolutely should take the learning on the impact of this pandemic on kids. We are STILL seeing impacts today in multiple ways. And we also know we can expect another pandemic in fewer than 100 years so it is imperative that we figure this out for the next one.

100% agree with this take. Thanks for articulating it well.

Some good ideas here. We could have prioritized upgrades to classrooms for the k-3rd set/special needs students, e.g. the children who were least able to learn remotely.

You could have volunteered to work in a school. When mcps reopened in the spring a lot of families elected to work email virtual. You wanted your kids back in person. You could have moved, gone private or hired help. Special needs kids are not your best talking point when some would be severely at risk. Some of them are still virtual.

You were given priority to the vaccine, are paid by the government as essential workers and abdicated your responsibility to the public.
The reason public schools are going from bad to worse is because people like you are telling parents to suck up it or leave. And they are leaving, literally and figuratively. Parents are not seeing the value in throwing good money after bad at people and institutions that despise them.

What are you talking about? I was in the absolute last vaccine group. And, my kids have been in virtual several years, no issue. Why should I go work at a school and risk my health so you have free child care. The issue is you lost your free child care and weren't used to parenting your kids except a few hours in the evenings and on weekends. Or, worse, you relied on people like me to take your kids after school and weekends to activities and keep them at my house so you'd get a break, and we stopped doing that and never restarted it again as we got tired of you using us and it was expensive feeding your kids constantly and inconvenient to change our schedule to have your kids with us. I take care of my kids, why can't you take care of yours? That's what parents do.

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The bottom line is that the pandemic proved that teachers are ESSENTIAL to the health and well-being of children. Lack of in person school has had detrimental, potentially life long impacts on kids.

As such, teachers should be in the same category as healthcare workers. Must work. The excuses given for why teachers didn't have to show up could be given to healthcare workers, grocery workers, daycare workers. But they worked. I worked. The entire time.

There is mo excuse. Teachers and schools and IN PERSON learning are vitally important to kids. We must not stop schools, but find a way to keep them open in the next pandemic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is that the pandemic proved that teachers are ESSENTIAL to the health and well-being of children. Lack of in person school has had detrimental, potentially life long impacts on kids.

As such, teachers should be in the same category as healthcare workers. Must work. The excuses given for why teachers didn't have to show up could be given to healthcare workers, grocery workers, daycare workers. But they worked. I worked. The entire time.

There is mo excuse. Teachers and schools and IN PERSON learning are vitally important to kids. We must not stop schools, but find a way to keep them open in the next pandemic.

Actually, no not really. Parents are far more important. Kids are still struggling and struggled prior to covid. Test scores are down, behavior is worse, so in person may not be the solution to everything. Parents need to step up and be more involved.

The issue wasn't teachers working. They were working. The issue was bringing large groups of kids in a large school and transmitting a potentially deadly illness to their families and their communities. If you work in health care and don't understand this, you need a new profession. And, you need to suck it up and pay for child care.

[Anonymous]

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This is a pretty ignorant post. They went virtual because the death rate of adults. Kids live with adults who care for them and they could bring home covid. How hard is that to understand? You have several kids in multiple large schools and a highly contagious disease.

Yes but healthcare workers who are parents worked (obviously they had to).

We could have taken a stance that school serves such a vital role to pediatric wellbeing and health that we considered teachers essential workers... mandate school masking and install HEPA filtration in schools the same way we rapidly retrofitted individual patient rooms with HEPA filters vented outside. My hospital went from a few negative pressure rooms to tons of them within a couple weeks. Why couldn't we do this with classrooms?

Install heated outdoor tents at schools the way hospitals did outside ERs to help classrooms spread out, kids be able to eat lunch when they remove their masks. Shut down streets for school tent space at city schools with limited outdoor space.

That was my POV as a healthcare worker who worked the entire pandemic AND saw the detrimental impact of virtual learning on my elementary school kid.

We also could have prioritized teachers in all districts when the vaccine first came out. We didn't.

We absolutely should take the learning on the impact of this pandemic on kids. We are STILL seeing impacts today in multiple ways. And we also know we can expect another pandemic in fewer than 100 years so it is imperative that we figure this out for the next one.

100% agree with this take. Thanks for articulating it well.

Some good ideas here. We could have prioritized upgrades to classrooms for the k-3rd set/special needs students, e.g. the children who were least able to learn remotely.

You could have volunteered to work in a school. When mcps reopened in the spring a lot of families elected to work email virtual. You wanted your kids back in person. You could have moved, gone private or hired help. Special needs kids are not your best talking point when some would be severely at risk. Some of them are still virtual.

You were given priority to the vaccine, are paid by the government as essential workers and abdicated your responsibility to the public.
The reason public schools are going from bad to worse is because people like you are telling parents to suck up it or leave. And they are leaving, literally and figuratively. Parents are not seeing the value in throwing good money after bad at people and institutions that despise them.

What are you talking about? I was in the absolute last vaccine group. And, my kids have been in virtual several years, no issue. Why should I go work at a school and risk my health so you have free child care. The issue is you lost your free child care and weren't used to parenting your kids except a few hours in the evenings and on weekends. Or, worse, you relied on people like me to take your kids after school and weekends to activities and keep them at my house so you'd get a break, and we stopped doing that and never restarted it again as we got tired of you using us and it was expensive feeding your kids constantly and inconvenient to change our schedule to have your kids with us. I take care of my kids, why can't you take care of yours? That's what parents do.

This kind of sounds like you were just mad at your friends, and used covid as an excuse to dump them. Versus just being straightforward and explaining issues.

I wasn't mad at anyone. I felt bad for the kids having lousy parents. They weren't my friends. The kids were friends with my kids. But, yes, let the parents use someone else now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is that the pandemic proved that teachers are ESSENTIAL to the health and well-being of children. Lack of in person school has had detrimental, potentially life long impacts on kids.

As such, teachers should be in the same category as healthcare workers. Must work. The excuses given for why teachers didn't have to show up could be given to healthcare workers, grocery workers, daycare workers. But they worked. I worked. The entire time.

There is mo excuse. Teachers and schools and IN PERSON learning are vitally important to kids. We must not stop schools, but find a way to keep them open in the next pandemic.

Actually, no not really. Parents are far more important. Kids are still struggling and struggled prior to covid. Test scores are down, behavior is worse, so in person may not be the solution to everything. Parents need to step up and be more involved.

The issue wasn't teachers working. They were working. The issue was bringing large groups of kids in a large school and transmitting a potentially deadly illness to their families and their communities. If you work in health care and don't understand this, you need a new profession. And, you need to suck it up and pay for child care.

That’s like saying we don’t need doctors and nurses because parents are primary caregivers during illnesses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is that the pandemic proved that teachers are ESSENTIAL to the health and well-being of children. Lack of in person school has had detrimental, potentially life long impacts on kids.

As such, teachers should be in the same category as healthcare workers. Must work. The excuses given for why teachers didn't have to show up could be given to healthcare workers, grocery workers, daycare workers. But they worked. I worked. The entire time.

There is mo excuse. Teachers and schools and IN PERSON learning are vitally important to kids. We must not stop schools, but find a way to keep them open in the next pandemic.

Actually, no not really. Parents are far more important. Kids are still struggling and struggled prior to covid. Test scores are down, behavior is worse, so in person may not be the solution to everything. Parents need to step up and be more involved.

The issue wasn't teachers working. They were working. The issue was bringing large groups of kids in a large school and transmitting a potentially deadly illness to their families and their communities. If you work in health care and don't understand this, you need a new profession. And, you need to suck it up and pay for child care.

Test scores are down and behavior is worse BECAUSE we stopped in person learning.

Bringing kids into schools didn't mean not having precautions. We could have and should have done a to make in person learning happen.

Also, while I did pay for childcare for a 2nd kid in daycare, you seem clueless and like a rich bubble person if you have the audacity to say all people should just "suck it up" and pay for childcare like everyone has the money and privilege to do so. FFS. Don't say that comment to me, go say that to a minimum wage single parent working at a grocery store through the pandemic while watching their kid fall behind because they can't afford a fancy teaching "pod" amd because in person learning was a complete sh*t show.

PS, that isn't to say teachers are babysitters, obviously what they provide is much more than that - which is why they should have been deemed essential workers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is that the pandemic proved that teachers are ESSENTIAL to the health and well-being of children. Lack of in person school has had detrimental, potentially life long impacts on kids.

As such, teachers should be in the same category as healthcare workers. Must work. The excuses given for why teachers didn't have to show up could be given to healthcare workers, grocery workers, daycare workers. But they worked. I worked. The entire time.

There is mo excuse. Teachers and schools and IN PERSON learning are vitally important to kids. We must not stop schools, but find a way to keep them open in the next pandemic.

Actually, no not really. Parents are far more important. Kids are still struggling and struggled prior to covid. Test scores are down, behavior is worse, so in person may not be the solution to everything. Parents need to step up and be more involved.

The issue wasn't teachers working. They were working. The issue was bringing large groups of kids in a large school and transmitting a potentially deadly illness to their families and their communities. If you work in health care and don't understand this, you need a new profession. And, you need to suck it up and pay for child care.

Test scores are down and behavior is worse BECAUSE we stopped in person learning.

Bringing kids into schools didn't mean not having precautions. We could have and should have done a to make in person learning happen.

Also, while I did pay for childcare for a 2nd kid in daycare, you seem clueless and like a rich bubble person if you have the audacity to say all people should just "suck it up" and pay for childcare like everyone has the money and privilege to do so. FFS. Don't say that comment to me, go say that to a minimum wage single parent working at a grocery store through the pandemic while watching their kid fall behind because they can't afford a fancy teaching "pod" amd because in person learning was a complete sh*t show.

PS, that isn't to say teachers are babysitters, obviously what they provide is much more than that - which is why they should have been deemed essential workers.

I mostly agree with you, but the declines
in test scores and problems with behavior are present across the board and regardless of duration of in-person school closures. If a three-month closure and a 1.5-year closure are associated with the same problems, the rational conclusion is that the closure itself was not the outcome driver.

These are issues because we all did the things we did to live through a unique-in-our-lifetimes (so far) pandemic, not because of school closures exclusively.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is that the pandemic proved that teachers are ESSENTIAL to the health and well-being of children. Lack of in person school has had detrimental, potentially life long impacts on kids.

As such, teachers should be in the same category as healthcare workers. Must work. The excuses given for why teachers didn't have to show up could be given to healthcare workers, grocery workers, daycare workers. But they worked. I worked. The entire time.

There is mo excuse. Teachers and schools and IN PERSON learning are vitally important to kids. We must not stop schools, but find a way to keep them open in the next pandemic.

Actually, no not really. Parents are far more important. Kids are still struggling and struggled prior to covid. Test scores are down, behavior is worse, so in person may not be the solution to everything. Parents need to step up and be more involved.

The issue wasn't teachers working. They were working. The issue was bringing large groups of kids in a large school and transmitting a potentially deadly illness to their families and their communities. If you work in health care and don't understand this, you need a new profession. And, you need to suck it up and pay for child care.

Test scores are down and behavior is worse BECAUSE we stopped in person learning.

Bringing kids into schools didn't mean not having precautions. We could have and should have done a to make in person learning happen.

Also, while I did pay for childcare for a 2nd kid in daycare, you seem clueless and like a rich bubble person if you have the audacity to say all people should just "suck it up" and pay for childcare like everyone has the money and privilege to do so. FFS. Don't say that comment to me, go say that to a minimum wage single parent working at a grocery store through the pandemic while watching their kid fall behind because they can't afford a fancy teaching "pod" amd because in person learning was a complete sh*t show.

PS, that isn't to say teachers are babysitters, obviously what they provide is much more than that - which is why they should have been deemed essential workers.

I mostly agree with you, but the declines
in test scores and problems with behavior are present across the board and regardless of duration of in-person school closures. If a three-month closure and a 1.5-year closure are associated with the same problems, the rational conclusion is that the closure itself was not the outcome driver.

These are issues because we all did the things we did to live through a unique-in-our-lifetimes (so far) pandemic, not because of school closures exclusively.

DP. And a lot of those things that we did— particularly the things we did to kids— were terrible from a cost-benefit perspective.

[Anonymous]

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This is a pretty ignorant post. They went virtual because the death rate of adults. Kids live with adults who care for them and they could bring home covid. How hard is that to understand? You have several kids in multiple large schools and a highly contagious disease.

Yes but healthcare workers who are parents worked (obviously they had to).

We could have taken a stance that school serves such a vital role to pediatric wellbeing and health that we considered teachers essential workers... mandate school masking and install HEPA filtration in schools the same way we rapidly retrofitted individual patient rooms with HEPA filters vented outside. My hospital went from a few negative pressure rooms to tons of them within a couple weeks. Why couldn't we do this with classrooms?

Install heated outdoor tents at schools the way hospitals did outside ERs to help classrooms spread out, kids be able to eat lunch when they remove their masks. Shut down streets for school tent space at city schools with limited outdoor space.

That was my POV as a healthcare worker who worked the entire pandemic AND saw the detrimental impact of virtual learning on my elementary school kid.

We also could have prioritized teachers in all districts when the vaccine first came out. We didn't.

We absolutely should take the learning on the impact of this pandemic on kids. We are STILL seeing impacts today in multiple ways. And we also know we can expect another pandemic in fewer than 100 years so it is imperative that we figure this out for the next one.

100% agree with this take. Thanks for articulating it well.

Some good ideas here. We could have prioritized upgrades to classrooms for the k-3rd set/special needs students, e.g. the children who were least able to learn remotely.

You could have volunteered to work in a school. When mcps reopened in the spring a lot of families elected to work email virtual. You wanted your kids back in person. You could have moved, gone private or hired help. Special needs kids are not your best talking point when some would be severely at risk. Some of them are still virtual.

You were given priority to the vaccine, are paid by the government as essential workers and abdicated your responsibility to the public.
The reason public schools are going from bad to worse is because people like you are telling parents to suck up it or leave. And they are leaving, literally and figuratively. Parents are not seeing the value in throwing good money after bad at people and institutions that despise them.

What are you talking about? I was in the absolute last vaccine group. And, my kids have been in virtual several years, no issue. Why should I go work at a school and risk my health so you have free child care. The issue is you lost your free child care and weren't used to parenting your kids except a few hours in the evenings and on weekends. Or, worse, you relied on people like me to take your kids after school and weekends to activities and keep them at my house so you'd get a break, and we stopped doing that and never restarted it again as we got tired of you using us and it was expensive feeding your kids constantly and inconvenient to change our schedule to have your kids with us. I take care of my kids, why can't you take care of yours? That's what parents do.

This kind of sounds like you were just mad at your friends, and used covid as an excuse to dump them. Versus just being straightforward and explaining issues.

+1, sounds like someone who was getting taken advantage of by friends/family because she was a SAHM, had no idea how to set boundaries or say no, and then Covid did it for her and she still doesn't understand that her problem was entirely of her doing.

Personally, Covid robbed my kid of half her kindergarten year and all of 1st grade, I spent those years working while also trying to teach my kid to read, and both of us are still trying to recover and get back to an okay place after it. I was actually a SAHM until about 7 months before Covid started, so the idea that I wasn't used to taking care of my own child is silly -- I'd been doing it full time for 5 years prior, and only went back to work when she started school. So in my case, it was 100% about wanting my child to get an education from an actual teacher instead of me (and also wanting my child to go to school while I worked, which is a normal thing to expect when your child is school age and a normal thing for parents to arrange their lives around).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is that the pandemic proved that teachers are ESSENTIAL to the health and well-being of children. Lack of in person school has had detrimental, potentially life long impacts on kids.

As such, teachers should be in the same category as healthcare workers. Must work. The excuses given for why teachers didn't have to show up could be given to healthcare workers, grocery workers, daycare workers. But they worked. I worked. The entire time.

There is mo excuse. Teachers and schools and IN PERSON learning are vitally important to kids. We must not stop schools, but find a way to keep them open in the next pandemic.

Actually, no not really. Parents are far more important. Kids are still struggling and struggled prior to covid. Test scores are down, behavior is worse, so in person may not be the solution to everything. Parents need to step up and be more involved.

The issue wasn't teachers working. They were working. The issue was bringing large groups of kids in a large school and transmitting a potentially deadly illness to their families and their communities. If you work in health care and don't understand this, you need a new profession. And, you need to suck it up and pay for child care.

Test scores are down and behavior is worse BECAUSE we stopped in person learning.

Bringing kids into schools didn't mean not having precautions. We could have and should have done a to make in person learning happen.

Also, while I did pay for childcare for a 2nd kid in daycare, you seem clueless and like a rich bubble person if you have the audacity to say all people should just "suck it up" and pay for childcare like everyone has the money and privilege to do so. FFS. Don't say that comment to me, go say that to a minimum wage single parent working at a grocery store through the pandemic while watching their kid fall behind because they can't afford a fancy teaching "pod" amd because in person learning was a complete sh*t show.

PS, that isn't to say teachers are babysitters, obviously what they provide is much more than that - which is why they should have been deemed essential workers.

I mostly agree with you, but the declines
in test scores and problems with behavior are present across the board and regardless of duration of in-person school closures. If a three-month closure and a 1.5-year closure are associated with the same problems, the rational conclusion is that the closure itself was not the outcome driver.

These are issues because we all did the things we did to live through a unique-in-our-lifetimes (so far) pandemic, not because of school closures exclusively.

DP. And a lot of those things that we did— particularly the things we did to kids— were terrible from a cost-benefit perspective.

I consider everyone in my family having lived (and only one of us being disabled by post-COVID complications) to be “benefit.” Recriminations about what it took for that to happen are not attractive to me. Maybe for you though!

[Anonymous]

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This is a pretty ignorant post. They went virtual because the death rate of adults. Kids live with adults who care for them and they could bring home covid. How hard is that to understand? You have several kids in multiple large schools and a highly contagious disease.

Yes but healthcare workers who are parents worked (obviously they had to).

We could have taken a stance that school serves such a vital role to pediatric wellbeing and health that we considered teachers essential workers... mandate school masking and install HEPA filtration in schools the same way we rapidly retrofitted individual patient rooms with HEPA filters vented outside. My hospital went from a few negative pressure rooms to tons of them within a couple weeks. Why couldn't we do this with classrooms?

Install heated outdoor tents at schools the way hospitals did outside ERs to help classrooms spread out, kids be able to eat lunch when they remove their masks. Shut down streets for school tent space at city schools with limited outdoor space.

That was my POV as a healthcare worker who worked the entire pandemic AND saw the detrimental impact of virtual learning on my elementary school kid.

We also could have prioritized teachers in all districts when the vaccine first came out. We didn't.

We absolutely should take the learning on the impact of this pandemic on kids. We are STILL seeing impacts today in multiple ways. And we also know we can expect another pandemic in fewer than 100 years so it is imperative that we figure this out for the next one.

100% agree with this take. Thanks for articulating it well.

Some good ideas here. We could have prioritized upgrades to classrooms for the k-3rd set/special needs students, e.g. the children who were least able to learn remotely.

You could have volunteered to work in a school. When mcps reopened in the spring a lot of families elected to work email virtual. You wanted your kids back in person. You could have moved, gone private or hired help. Special needs kids are not your best talking point when some would be severely at risk. Some of them are still virtual.

You were given priority to the vaccine, are paid by the government as essential workers and abdicated your responsibility to the public.
The reason public schools are going from bad to worse is because people like you are telling parents to suck up it or leave. And they are leaving, literally and figuratively. Parents are not seeing the value in throwing good money after bad at people and institutions that despise them.

What are you talking about? I was in the absolute last vaccine group. And, my kids have been in virtual several years, no issue. Why should I go work at a school and risk my health so you have free child care. The issue is you lost your free child care and weren't used to parenting your kids except a few hours in the evenings and on weekends. Or, worse, you relied on people like me to take your kids after school and weekends to activities and keep them at my house so you'd get a break, and we stopped doing that and never restarted it again as we got tired of you using us and it was expensive feeding your kids constantly and inconvenient to change our schedule to have your kids with us. I take care of my kids, why can't you take care of yours? That's what parents do.

This kind of sounds like you were just mad at your friends, and used covid as an excuse to dump them. Versus just being straightforward and explaining issues.

+1, sounds like someone who was getting taken advantage of by friends/family because she was a SAHM, had no idea how to set boundaries or say no, and then Covid did it for her and she still doesn't understand that her problem was entirely of her doing.

Personally, Covid robbed my kid of half her kindergarten year and all of 1st grade, I spent those years working while also trying to teach my kid to read, and both of us are still trying to recover and get back to an okay place after it. I was actually a SAHM until about 7 months before Covid started, so the idea that I wasn't used to taking care of my own child is silly -- I'd been doing it full time for 5 years prior, and only went back to work when she started school. So in my case, it was 100% about wanting my child to get an education from an actual teacher instead of me (and also wanting my child to go to school while I worked, which is a normal thing to expect when your child is school age and a normal thing for parents to arrange their lives around).

Your kid was not robbed of anything and a good parent supplements ar home. Sorry you cannot handle parenting and working. Try a nanny.. you don’t need a teacher to teach the basics. Just someone willing, which was not you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is that the pandemic proved that teachers are ESSENTIAL to the health and well-being of children. Lack of in person school has had detrimental, potentially life long impacts on kids.

As such, teachers should be in the same category as healthcare workers. Must work. The excuses given for why teachers didn't have to show up could be given to healthcare workers, grocery workers, daycare workers. But they worked. I worked. The entire time.

There is mo excuse. Teachers and schools and IN PERSON learning are vitally important to kids. We must not stop schools, but find a way to keep them open in the next pandemic.

Actually, no not really. Parents are far more important. Kids are still struggling and struggled prior to covid. Test scores are down, behavior is worse, so in person may not be the solution to everything. Parents need to step up and be more involved.

The issue wasn't teachers working. They were working. The issue was bringing large groups of kids in a large school and transmitting a potentially deadly illness to their families and their communities. If you work in health care and don't understand this, you need a new profession. And, you need to suck it up and pay for child care.

Test scores are down and behavior is worse BECAUSE we stopped in person learning.

Bringing kids into schools didn't mean not having precautions. We could have and should have done a to make in person learning happen.

Also, while I did pay for childcare for a 2nd kid in daycare, you seem clueless and like a rich bubble person if you have the audacity to say all people should just "suck it up" and pay for childcare like everyone has the money and privilege to do so. FFS. Don't say that comment to me, go say that to a minimum wage single parent working at a grocery store through the pandemic while watching their kid fall behind because they can't afford a fancy teaching "pod" amd because in person learning was a complete sh*t show.

PS, that isn't to say teachers are babysitters, obviously what they provide is much more than that - which is why they should have been deemed essential workers.

I mostly agree with you, but the declines
in test scores and problems with behavior are present across the board and regardless of duration of in-person school closures. If a three-month closure and a 1.5-year closure are associated with the same problems, the rational conclusion is that the closure itself was not the outcome driver.

These are issues because we all did the things we did to live through a unique-in-our-lifetimes (so far) pandemic, not because of school closures exclusively.

Schools were not closed. They were virtual. You could have gone private. Things were going downhill long before Covid and Covid is not the reason for the mess now.

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Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is that the pandemic proved that teachers are ESSENTIAL to the health and well-being of children. Lack of in person school has had detrimental, potentially life long impacts on kids.

As such, teachers should be in the same category as healthcare workers. Must work. The excuses given for why teachers didn't have to show up could be given to healthcare workers, grocery workers, daycare workers. But they worked. I worked. The entire time.

There is mo excuse. Teachers and schools and IN PERSON learning are vitally important to kids. We must not stop schools, but find a way to keep them open in the next pandemic.

Actually, no not really. Parents are far more important. Kids are still struggling and struggled prior to covid. Test scores are down, behavior is worse, so in person may not be the solution to everything. Parents need to step up and be more involved.

The issue wasn't teachers working. They were working. The issue was bringing large groups of kids in a large school and transmitting a potentially deadly illness to their families and their communities. If you work in health care and don't understand this, you need a new profession. And, you need to suck it up and pay for child care.

Test scores are down and behavior is worse BECAUSE we stopped in person learning.

Bringing kids into schools didn't mean not having precautions. We could have and should have done a to make in person learning happen.

Also, while I did pay for childcare for a 2nd kid in daycare, you seem clueless and like a rich bubble person if you have the audacity to say all people should just "suck it up" and pay for childcare like everyone has the money and privilege to do so. FFS. Don't say that comment to me, go say that to a minimum wage single parent working at a grocery store through the pandemic while watching their kid fall behind because they can't afford a fancy teaching "pod" amd because in person learning was a complete sh*t show.

PS, that isn't to say teachers are babysitters, obviously what they provide is much more than that - which is why they should have been deemed essential workers.

I mostly agree with you, but the declines
in test scores and problems with behavior are present across the board and regardless of duration of in-person school closures. If a three-month closure and a 1.5-year closure are associated with the same problems, the rational conclusion is that the closure itself was not the outcome driver.

These are issues because we all did the things we did to live through a unique-in-our-lifetimes (so far) pandemic, not because of school closures exclusively.

Schools were not closed. They were virtual. You could have gone private. Things were going downhill long before Covid and Covid is not the reason for the mess now.

You’re shooting into the tent here. School was closed for in-person learning, which we all agree is less than desirable. Virtual worked fine for our kid and no interest in private—before, during or after.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

They are desperate to play the victim and make excuses. It’s laughably dull.