Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

OP, it's unclear what you want. Are you asking for your child to be the only one in the classroom with an IEP? Because that's not going to happen. There are going to be a bunch of kids with IEPs in the gen-ed classroom and, hopefully, additional staff to meet their needs. It's not possible for one teacher to teach gen-ed and also meet all IEPs, so the other adults have to be present. If that's "team taught", okay, but what's so bad about it?

OP here. The above poster is not me. What I was wondering about is whether it is typical for elementary schools to have all the IEP students in one class rather than spreading them out across the different classes for the grade. It sounds like a lot of schools do this, which is helpful to know. I have concerns about how this model will impact my child, but understand this is not something I would have a choice about.

Well, you might have a choice, it depends on the school and the content of your daughter's IEP. But some schools don't give anyone a choice of classroom for any reason.

Try to understand, the school is trying to meet the students' needs staffing-wise and that's what drives this. So if there's a class with a special ed co-teacher or a certain type of paraprofessional or whatever, it's not necessarily the case that all the students with IEPs are in that class. It's all the students with a certain *type* of IEP, like all the students who get speech therapy, or all the students with ASD, or whatever it happens to be, so that the staffing can be done to provide them services and the classroom is designed with their needs in the forefront. This can be a really good thing. It's not like everyone with an IEP for any reason gets put in the same class automatically.

I'm not sure what you're concerned about specifically, but try to give up on the idea that your child will not be in class with other children with IEPs. Your child is definitely, definitely going to be around other children with IEPs regardless of the school's policy on classroom assignments and regardless of whether your child has an IEP. Because even in schools with a co-teaching inclusion program for chlidren with certain types of IEPs, there are plenty of children with other types of IEPs in the other classrooms. You might not be aware of it, but they are there. Yes, it can feel stigmatizing or be complex to be in an inclusion classroom, and yes there can be behavior problems or kids getting upset or kids who are below grade level, or whatever. But your child could be assigned to that classroom with no IEP at all, and you're going to have those kinds of problems no matter what type classroom you're in.

I'm not against my child being in a class with other children with IEOs. You are confusing me with someone else. My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child. I get why the school does it. I really just wanted to know if this is a typical practice in elementary schools, and it sounds like it is. My child is not in school yet so this isn't about what I am personally perceiving.

Well, it just depends on the school. Some have lots of high nerds children in every class. Some offer special programming for certain types of needs. Others have special classrooms for certain children with high needs, and moderate and mild needs are mainstreamed. You'd have to ask your school.

It sounds like what you want is for your child not to be around children with higher needs. And try to be sensitive how you talk about that on this board. Many of us are the parents of children with higher needs, you know.

Remember, you could be assigned to the inclusion class without an IEP. And if there were not an inclusion class, you would likely be in a class with some of the children with higher needs and less support for them. Would that be better? I don't know. It really just depends.

That's not what I am saying, and I'm sorry that's how it has come across to you.

It sounds like you are okay with one or two, but not more. Is that right? Or what is it that you are concerned about?

No that is not right, and it sounds like you are determined to find a way to be offended, so I am out.

So what are you actually concerned about?

Look, not everyone's going to be able to have their child be in a room with only less needy kids than themselves. Most people don't get that. Most people don't feel their child's needs are fully met, SN or no SN, in hundreds of schools in this country. We would all love a classroom free of whatever you're worried about. But most of us aren't going to get it.

It sounds like you are fishing for my child's diagnosis, which I am not going to give you.

Not at all. But when it's unclear what you're concerned about, so it's hard to be helpful to you. You're concerned about "concentrating" students with the highest needs, but try to understand that the co-teaching model means that it's possible to give them more attention from a real special ed teacher than they would get if they were not "concentrated". Again, it seems like you're concerned that it will be bad for your child to be in a classroom with several children with higher needs. But you need to understand that they're going to be in class with children with higher needs at most schools, regardless of what model of inclusion is used. Because there are a lot of children with higher needs, and that's what inclusion means.

Different schools do things differently, and different schools have different amounts of students with special needs. They set up their classroom assignment system according to the needs of their student body as a whole, and it varies. You might get more information about your specific school on the Montgomery County board.

I am confused why you need to know how you can "help" me since I have stated numerous times on this thread that I just wanted to know if this is a common model. Your insistence that you need more information is weird and intrusive.

Thanks for sharing the information that you have.

Wow. Teachers are going to LOVE working with you. You really should check yourself before your kid gets to school because the way you are approaching the situation will not foster a collaborative learning environment between you and the teachers. You are downright hostile.

Sorry that your fishing for information about my child on a public forum did not work out for you.

I don't care at all about your kid or they're diagnosis and this is my first post on this topic.
But as someone who was worked in this field for a very long time, I can tell you your attitude is not going to get you very far.
The only time anyone here asked for more details was to better answer your question and help you understand the process. It looks like you would rather go it or alone, so best of luck.

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Op, your kid is not some special snowflake. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

OP, it's unclear what you want. Are you asking for your child to be the only one in the classroom with an IEP? Because that's not going to happen. There are going to be a bunch of kids with IEPs in the gen-ed classroom and, hopefully, additional staff to meet their needs. It's not possible for one teacher to teach gen-ed and also meet all IEPs, so the other adults have to be present. If that's "team taught", okay, but what's so bad about it?

OP here. The above poster is not me. What I was wondering about is whether it is typical for elementary schools to have all the IEP students in one class rather than spreading them out across the different classes for the grade. It sounds like a lot of schools do this, which is helpful to know. I have concerns about how this model will impact my child, but understand this is not something I would have a choice about.

Well, you might have a choice, it depends on the school and the content of your daughter's IEP. But some schools don't give anyone a choice of classroom for any reason.

Try to understand, the school is trying to meet the students' needs staffing-wise and that's what drives this. So if there's a class with a special ed co-teacher or a certain type of paraprofessional or whatever, it's not necessarily the case that all the students with IEPs are in that class. It's all the students with a certain *type* of IEP, like all the students who get speech therapy, or all the students with ASD, or whatever it happens to be, so that the staffing can be done to provide them services and the classroom is designed with their needs in the forefront. This can be a really good thing. It's not like everyone with an IEP for any reason gets put in the same class automatically.

I'm not sure what you're concerned about specifically, but try to give up on the idea that your child will not be in class with other children with IEPs. Your child is definitely, definitely going to be around other children with IEPs regardless of the school's policy on classroom assignments and regardless of whether your child has an IEP. Because even in schools with a co-teaching inclusion program for chlidren with certain types of IEPs, there are plenty of children with other types of IEPs in the other classrooms. You might not be aware of it, but they are there. Yes, it can feel stigmatizing or be complex to be in an inclusion classroom, and yes there can be behavior problems or kids getting upset or kids who are below grade level, or whatever. But your child could be assigned to that classroom with no IEP at all, and you're going to have those kinds of problems no matter what type classroom you're in.

I'm not against my child being in a class with other children with IEOs. You are confusing me with someone else. My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child. I get why the school does it. I really just wanted to know if this is a typical practice in elementary schools, and it sounds like it is. My child is not in school yet so this isn't about what I am personally perceiving.

Well, it just depends on the school. Some have lots of high nerds children in every class. Some offer special programming for certain types of needs. Others have special classrooms for certain children with high needs, and moderate and mild needs are mainstreamed. You'd have to ask your school.

It sounds like what you want is for your child not to be around children with higher needs. And try to be sensitive how you talk about that on this board. Many of us are the parents of children with higher needs, you know.

Remember, you could be assigned to the inclusion class without an IEP. And if there were not an inclusion class, you would likely be in a class with some of the children with higher needs and less support for them. Would that be better? I don't know. It really just depends.

That's not what I am saying, and I'm sorry that's how it has come across to you.

It sounds like you are okay with one or two, but not more. Is that right? Or what is it that you are concerned about?

No that is not right, and it sounds like you are determined to find a way to be offended, so I am out.

So what are you actually concerned about?

Look, not everyone's going to be able to have their child be in a room with only less needy kids than themselves. Most people don't get that. Most people don't feel their child's needs are fully met, SN or no SN, in hundreds of schools in this country. We would all love a classroom free of whatever you're worried about. But most of us aren't going to get it.

It sounds like you are fishing for my child's diagnosis, which I am not going to give you.

Not at all. But when it's unclear what you're concerned about, so it's hard to be helpful to you. You're concerned about "concentrating" students with the highest needs, but try to understand that the co-teaching model means that it's possible to give them more attention from a real special ed teacher than they would get if they were not "concentrated". Again, it seems like you're concerned that it will be bad for your child to be in a classroom with several children with higher needs. But you need to understand that they're going to be in class with children with higher needs at most schools, regardless of what model of inclusion is used. Because there are a lot of children with higher needs, and that's what inclusion means.

Different schools do things differently, and different schools have different amounts of students with special needs. They set up their classroom assignment system according to the needs of their student body as a whole, and it varies. You might get more information about your specific school on the Montgomery County board.

I am confused why you need to know how you can "help" me since I have stated numerous times on this thread that I just wanted to know if this is a common model. Your insistence that you need more information is weird and intrusive.

Thanks for sharing the information that you have.

Wow. Teachers are going to LOVE working with you. You really should check yourself before your kid gets to school because the way you are approaching the situation will not foster a collaborative learning environment between you and the teachers. You are downright hostile.

Sorry that your fishing for information about my child on a public forum did not work out for you.

I don't care at all about your kid or they're diagnosis and this is my first post on this topic.
But as someone who was worked in this field for a very long time, I can tell you your attitude is not going to get you very far.
The only time anyone here asked for more details was to better answer your question and help you understand the process. It looks like you would rather go it or alone, so best of luck.

What kinds of details about my family do folks need to answer the following question: "Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class?"

To what extent does willingness to share private details in an anonymous public forum affect access to special education services in MCPS? Genuinely curious.

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Well for starters they may have their own personal aid depending on what their support needs are which can change the dynamic of things as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Op, your kid is not some special snowflake. Sorry.

Thanks for clearing that up.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

OP, it's unclear what you want. Are you asking for your child to be the only one in the classroom with an IEP? Because that's not going to happen. There are going to be a bunch of kids with IEPs in the gen-ed classroom and, hopefully, additional staff to meet their needs. It's not possible for one teacher to teach gen-ed and also meet all IEPs, so the other adults have to be present. If that's "team taught", okay, but what's so bad about it?

OP here. The above poster is not me. What I was wondering about is whether it is typical for elementary schools to have all the IEP students in one class rather than spreading them out across the different classes for the grade. It sounds like a lot of schools do this, which is helpful to know. I have concerns about how this model will impact my child, but understand this is not something I would have a choice about.

Hi OP--I asked what you thought an inclusion classroom would look like which would lead you to ask is the grouping of kids together a typical model. Wondering why you are skipping answering.......

Well, you might have a choice, it depends on the school and the content of your daughter's IEP. But some schools don't give anyone a choice of classroom for any reason.

Try to understand, the school is trying to meet the students' needs staffing-wise and that's what drives this. So if there's a class with a special ed co-teacher or a certain type of paraprofessional or whatever, it's not necessarily the case that all the students with IEPs are in that class. It's all the students with a certain *type* of IEP, like all the students who get speech therapy, or all the students with ASD, or whatever it happens to be, so that the staffing can be done to provide them services and the classroom is designed with their needs in the forefront. This can be a really good thing. It's not like everyone with an IEP for any reason gets put in the same class automatically.

I'm not sure what you're concerned about specifically, but try to give up on the idea that your child will not be in class with other children with IEPs. Your child is definitely, definitely going to be around other children with IEPs regardless of the school's policy on classroom assignments and regardless of whether your child has an IEP. Because even in schools with a co-teaching inclusion program for chlidren with certain types of IEPs, there are plenty of children with other types of IEPs in the other classrooms. You might not be aware of it, but they are there. Yes, it can feel stigmatizing or be complex to be in an inclusion classroom, and yes there can be behavior problems or kids getting upset or kids who are below grade level, or whatever. But your child could be assigned to that classroom with no IEP at all, and you're going to have those kinds of problems no matter what type classroom you're in.

I'm not against my child being in a class with other children with IEOs. You are confusing me with someone else. My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child. I get why the school does it. I really just wanted to know if this is a typical practice in elementary schools, and it sounds like it is. My child is not in school yet so this isn't about what I am personally perceiving.

Well, it just depends on the school. Some have lots of high nerds children in every class. Some offer special programming for certain types of needs. Others have special classrooms for certain children with high needs, and moderate and mild needs are mainstreamed. You'd have to ask your school.

It sounds like what you want is for your child not to be around children with higher needs. And try to be sensitive how you talk about that on this board. Many of us are the parents of children with higher needs, you know.

Remember, you could be assigned to the inclusion class without an IEP. And if there were not an inclusion class, you would likely be in a class with some of the children with higher needs and less support for them. Would that be better? I don't know. It really just depends.

That's not what I am saying, and I'm sorry that's how it has come across to you.

It sounds like you are okay with one or two, but not more. Is that right? Or what is it that you are concerned about?

No that is not right, and it sounds like you are determined to find a way to be offended, so I am out.

So what are you actually concerned about?

Look, not everyone's going to be able to have their child be in a room with only less needy kids than themselves. Most people don't get that. Most people don't feel their child's needs are fully met, SN or no SN, in hundreds of schools in this country. We would all love a classroom free of whatever you're worried about. But most of us aren't going to get it.

It sounds like you are fishing for my child's diagnosis, which I am not going to give you.

Not at all. But when it's unclear what you're concerned about, so it's hard to be helpful to you. You're concerned about "concentrating" students with the highest needs, but try to understand that the co-teaching model means that it's possible to give them more attention from a real special ed teacher than they would get if they were not "concentrated". Again, it seems like you're concerned that it will be bad for your child to be in a classroom with several children with higher needs. But you need to understand that they're going to be in class with children with higher needs at most schools, regardless of what model of inclusion is used. Because there are a lot of children with higher needs, and that's what inclusion means.

Different schools do things differently, and different schools have different amounts of students with special needs. They set up their classroom assignment system according to the needs of their student body as a whole, and it varies. You might get more information about your specific school on the Montgomery County board.

I am confused why you need to know how you can "help" me since I have stated numerous times on this thread that I just wanted to know if this is a common model. Your insistence that you need more information is weird and intrusive.

Thanks for sharing the information that you have.

Wow. Teachers are going to LOVE working with you. You really should check yourself before your kid gets to school because the way you are approaching the situation will not foster a collaborative learning environment between you and the teachers. You are downright hostile.

Sorry that your fishing for information about my child on a public forum did not work out for you.

I don't care at all about your kid or they're diagnosis and this is my first post on this topic.
But as someone who was worked in this field for a very long time, I can tell you your attitude is not going to get you very far.
The only time anyone here asked for more details was to better answer your question and help you understand the process. It looks like you would rather go it or alone, so best of luck.

What kinds of details about my family do folks need to answer the following question: "Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class?"

To what extent does willingness to share private details in an anonymous public forum affect access to special education services in MCPS? Genuinely curious.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

OP, it's unclear what you want. Are you asking for your child to be the only one in the classroom with an IEP? Because that's not going to happen. There are going to be a bunch of kids with IEPs in the gen-ed classroom and, hopefully, additional staff to meet their needs. It's not possible for one teacher to teach gen-ed and also meet all IEPs, so the other adults have to be present. If that's "team taught", okay, but what's so bad about it?

OP here. The above poster is not me. What I was wondering about is whether it is typical for elementary schools to have all the IEP students in one class rather than spreading them out across the different classes for the grade. It sounds like a lot of schools do this, which is helpful to know. I have concerns about how this model will impact my child, but understand this is not something I would have a choice about.

Hi OP--I asked what you thought an inclusion classroom would look like which would lead you to ask is the grouping of kids together a typical model. Wondering why you are skipping answering.......

Well, you might have a choice, it depends on the school and the content of your daughter's IEP. But some schools don't give anyone a choice of classroom for any reason.

Try to understand, the school is trying to meet the students' needs staffing-wise and that's what drives this. So if there's a class with a special ed co-teacher or a certain type of paraprofessional or whatever, it's not necessarily the case that all the students with IEPs are in that class. It's all the students with a certain *type* of IEP, like all the students who get speech therapy, or all the students with ASD, or whatever it happens to be, so that the staffing can be done to provide them services and the classroom is designed with their needs in the forefront. This can be a really good thing. It's not like everyone with an IEP for any reason gets put in the same class automatically.

I'm not sure what you're concerned about specifically, but try to give up on the idea that your child will not be in class with other children with IEPs. Your child is definitely, definitely going to be around other children with IEPs regardless of the school's policy on classroom assignments and regardless of whether your child has an IEP. Because even in schools with a co-teaching inclusion program for chlidren with certain types of IEPs, there are plenty of children with other types of IEPs in the other classrooms. You might not be aware of it, but they are there. Yes, it can feel stigmatizing or be complex to be in an inclusion classroom, and yes there can be behavior problems or kids getting upset or kids who are below grade level, or whatever. But your child could be assigned to that classroom with no IEP at all, and you're going to have those kinds of problems no matter what type classroom you're in.

I'm not against my child being in a class with other children with IEOs. You are confusing me with someone else. My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child. I get why the school does it. I really just wanted to know if this is a typical practice in elementary schools, and it sounds like it is. My child is not in school yet so this isn't about what I am personally perceiving.

Well, it just depends on the school. Some have lots of high nerds children in every class. Some offer special programming for certain types of needs. Others have special classrooms for certain children with high needs, and moderate and mild needs are mainstreamed. You'd have to ask your school.

It sounds like what you want is for your child not to be around children with higher needs. And try to be sensitive how you talk about that on this board. Many of us are the parents of children with higher needs, you know.

Remember, you could be assigned to the inclusion class without an IEP. And if there were not an inclusion class, you would likely be in a class with some of the children with higher needs and less support for them. Would that be better? I don't know. It really just depends.

That's not what I am saying, and I'm sorry that's how it has come across to you.

It sounds like you are okay with one or two, but not more. Is that right? Or what is it that you are concerned about?

No that is not right, and it sounds like you are determined to find a way to be offended, so I am out.

So what are you actually concerned about?

Look, not everyone's going to be able to have their child be in a room with only less needy kids than themselves. Most people don't get that. Most people don't feel their child's needs are fully met, SN or no SN, in hundreds of schools in this country. We would all love a classroom free of whatever you're worried about. But most of us aren't going to get it.

It sounds like you are fishing for my child's diagnosis, which I am not going to give you.

Not at all. But when it's unclear what you're concerned about, so it's hard to be helpful to you. You're concerned about "concentrating" students with the highest needs, but try to understand that the co-teaching model means that it's possible to give them more attention from a real special ed teacher than they would get if they were not "concentrated". Again, it seems like you're concerned that it will be bad for your child to be in a classroom with several children with higher needs. But you need to understand that they're going to be in class with children with higher needs at most schools, regardless of what model of inclusion is used. Because there are a lot of children with higher needs, and that's what inclusion means.

Different schools do things differently, and different schools have different amounts of students with special needs. They set up their classroom assignment system according to the needs of their student body as a whole, and it varies. You might get more information about your specific school on the Montgomery County board.

I am confused why you need to know how you can "help" me since I have stated numerous times on this thread that I just wanted to know if this is a common model. Your insistence that you need more information is weird and intrusive.

Thanks for sharing the information that you have.

Wow. Teachers are going to LOVE working with you. You really should check yourself before your kid gets to school because the way you are approaching the situation will not foster a collaborative learning environment between you and the teachers. You are downright hostile.

Sorry that your fishing for information about my child on a public forum did not work out for you.

I don't care at all about your kid or they're diagnosis and this is my first post on this topic.
But as someone who was worked in this field for a very long time, I can tell you your attitude is not going to get you very far.
The only time anyone here asked for more details was to better answer your question and help you understand the process. It looks like you would rather go it or alone, so best of luck.

What kinds of details about my family do folks need to answer the following question: "Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class?"

To what extent does willingness to share private details in an anonymous public forum affect access to special education services in MCPS? Genuinely curious.

Only in that people here can help you understand how MCPS works and help you get what you want for your child. I've gotten great advice on this board without having to disclose anything I felt was too much. If the OP only wanted to know whether all-IEPs-together grouping is typical, she has her answer-- it's not typical, but neither is it unheard-of, and at some schools the grouping is *some* students with IEPs, based on the content of their IEPs.

It seems like OP has unintentionally brought up the sensitive topic of ableism within the special needs community and that's what's making this thread get salty.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

OP, it's unclear what you want. Are you asking for your child to be the only one in the classroom with an IEP? Because that's not going to happen. There are going to be a bunch of kids with IEPs in the gen-ed classroom and, hopefully, additional staff to meet their needs. It's not possible for one teacher to teach gen-ed and also meet all IEPs, so the other adults have to be present. If that's "team taught", okay, but what's so bad about it?

OP here. The above poster is not me. What I was wondering about is whether it is typical for elementary schools to have all the IEP students in one class rather than spreading them out across the different classes for the grade. It sounds like a lot of schools do this, which is helpful to know. I have concerns about how this model will impact my child, but understand this is not something I would have a choice about.

Hi OP--I asked what you thought an inclusion classroom would look like which would lead you to ask is the grouping of kids together a typical model. Wondering why you are skipping answering.......

Well, you might have a choice, it depends on the school and the content of your daughter's IEP. But some schools don't give anyone a choice of classroom for any reason.

Try to understand, the school is trying to meet the students' needs staffing-wise and that's what drives this. So if there's a class with a special ed co-teacher or a certain type of paraprofessional or whatever, it's not necessarily the case that all the students with IEPs are in that class. It's all the students with a certain *type* of IEP, like all the students who get speech therapy, or all the students with ASD, or whatever it happens to be, so that the staffing can be done to provide them services and the classroom is designed with their needs in the forefront. This can be a really good thing. It's not like everyone with an IEP for any reason gets put in the same class automatically.

I'm not sure what you're concerned about specifically, but try to give up on the idea that your child will not be in class with other children with IEPs. Your child is definitely, definitely going to be around other children with IEPs regardless of the school's policy on classroom assignments and regardless of whether your child has an IEP. Because even in schools with a co-teaching inclusion program for chlidren with certain types of IEPs, there are plenty of children with other types of IEPs in the other classrooms. You might not be aware of it, but they are there. Yes, it can feel stigmatizing or be complex to be in an inclusion classroom, and yes there can be behavior problems or kids getting upset or kids who are below grade level, or whatever. But your child could be assigned to that classroom with no IEP at all, and you're going to have those kinds of problems no matter what type classroom you're in.

I'm not against my child being in a class with other children with IEOs. You are confusing me with someone else. My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child. I get why the school does it. I really just wanted to know if this is a typical practice in elementary schools, and it sounds like it is. My child is not in school yet so this isn't about what I am personally perceiving.

Well, it just depends on the school. Some have lots of high nerds children in every class. Some offer special programming for certain types of needs. Others have special classrooms for certain children with high needs, and moderate and mild needs are mainstreamed. You'd have to ask your school.

It sounds like what you want is for your child not to be around children with higher needs. And try to be sensitive how you talk about that on this board. Many of us are the parents of children with higher needs, you know.

Remember, you could be assigned to the inclusion class without an IEP. And if there were not an inclusion class, you would likely be in a class with some of the children with higher needs and less support for them. Would that be better? I don't know. It really just depends.

That's not what I am saying, and I'm sorry that's how it has come across to you.

It sounds like you are okay with one or two, but not more. Is that right? Or what is it that you are concerned about?

No that is not right, and it sounds like you are determined to find a way to be offended, so I am out.

So what are you actually concerned about?

Look, not everyone's going to be able to have their child be in a room with only less needy kids than themselves. Most people don't get that. Most people don't feel their child's needs are fully met, SN or no SN, in hundreds of schools in this country. We would all love a classroom free of whatever you're worried about. But most of us aren't going to get it.

It sounds like you are fishing for my child's diagnosis, which I am not going to give you.

Not at all. But when it's unclear what you're concerned about, so it's hard to be helpful to you. You're concerned about "concentrating" students with the highest needs, but try to understand that the co-teaching model means that it's possible to give them more attention from a real special ed teacher than they would get if they were not "concentrated". Again, it seems like you're concerned that it will be bad for your child to be in a classroom with several children with higher needs. But you need to understand that they're going to be in class with children with higher needs at most schools, regardless of what model of inclusion is used. Because there are a lot of children with higher needs, and that's what inclusion means.

Different schools do things differently, and different schools have different amounts of students with special needs. They set up their classroom assignment system according to the needs of their student body as a whole, and it varies. You might get more information about your specific school on the Montgomery County board.

I am confused why you need to know how you can "help" me since I have stated numerous times on this thread that I just wanted to know if this is a common model. Your insistence that you need more information is weird and intrusive.

Thanks for sharing the information that you have.

Wow. Teachers are going to LOVE working with you. You really should check yourself before your kid gets to school because the way you are approaching the situation will not foster a collaborative learning environment between you and the teachers. You are downright hostile.

Sorry that your fishing for information about my child on a public forum did not work out for you.

I don't care at all about your kid or they're diagnosis and this is my first post on this topic.
But as someone who was worked in this field for a very long time, I can tell you your attitude is not going to get you very far.
The only time anyone here asked for more details was to better answer your question and help you understand the process. It looks like you would rather go it or alone, so best of luck.

What kinds of details about my family do folks need to answer the following question: "Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class?"

To what extent does willingness to share private details in an anonymous public forum affect access to special education services in MCPS? Genuinely curious.

Only in that people here can help you understand how MCPS works and help you get what you want for your child. I've gotten great advice on this board without having to disclose anything I felt was too much. If the OP only wanted to know whether all-IEPs-together grouping is typical, she has her answer-- it's not typical, but neither is it unheard-of, and at some schools the grouping is *some* students with IEPs, based on the content of their IEPs.

It seems like OP has unintentionally brought up the sensitive topic of ableism within the special needs community and that's what's making this thread get salty.

OP here. Thanks for sharing. I wonder why after AI have said I don't want to share information, some posters are insisting I am doing something wrong by not sharing more information. I didn't ask how to get the help I need for my child.

Fyi, there is also a poster on here responding to people who are responding to me, without identifying themselves as a DP.

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1 person asked for whatever reason. Trust me. NO ONE cares. OP kept going on about wanting her kid away from others with IEPs because it wouldn't be good for her so I think posters were trying to ascertain what is the diagnosis that would require this?.

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Anonymous wrote:1 person asked for whatever reason. Trust me. NO ONE cares. OP kept going on about wanting her kid away from others with IEPs because it wouldn't be good for her so I think posters were trying to ascertain what is the diagnosis that would require this?.

OP here. Feel free to quote where I said I did not want my child around other children with IEPs.

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Anonymous wrote:1 person asked for whatever reason. Trust me. NO ONE cares. OP kept going on about wanting her kid away from others with IEPs because it wouldn't be good for her so I think posters were trying to ascertain what is the diagnosis that would require this?.

OP here. Feel free to quote where I said I did not want my child around other children with IEPs.

On page 3 at 20:17 you said "My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child." Personally, I think it's fine to be concerned about that, but you have to expect that it will rub people the wrong way. Many people here are parents of students with high needs, and social and educational exclusion, stereotypes, and assumptions are a big part of our lives.

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Anonymous wrote:1 person asked for whatever reason. Trust me. NO ONE cares. OP kept going on about wanting her kid away from others with IEPs because it wouldn't be good for her so I think posters were trying to ascertain what is the diagnosis that would require this?.

OP here. Feel free to quote where I said I did not want my child around other children with IEPs.

On page 3 at 20:17 you said "My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child." Personally, I think it's fine to be concerned about that, but you have to expect that it will rub people the wrong way. Many people here are parents of students with high needs, and social and educational exclusion, stereotypes, and assumptions are a big part of our lives.

You think it's reasonable to go from "My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child." to "OP kept going on about wanting her kid away from others with IEPs "?

I don't think that's reasonable. In fact a natural consequence of the model that I am concerned about is that the children in the other classes are being kept away from childen with IEPs.

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Anonymous wrote:1 person asked for whatever reason. Trust me. NO ONE cares. OP kept going on about wanting her kid away from others with IEPs because it wouldn't be good for her so I think posters were trying to ascertain what is the diagnosis that would require this?.

OP here. Feel free to quote where I said I did not want my child around other children with IEPs.

On page 3 at 20:17 you said "My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child." Personally, I think it's fine to be concerned about that, but you have to expect that it will rub people the wrong way. Many people here are parents of students with high needs, and social and educational exclusion, stereotypes, and assumptions are a big part of our lives.

You think it's reasonable to go from "My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child." to "OP kept going on about wanting her kid away from others with IEPs "?

I don't think that's reasonable. In fact a natural consequence of the model that I am concerned about is that the children in the other classes are being kept away from childen with IEPs.

Well, I wasn't the one accusing you of "going on about" it. But it does seem like you're concerned about something. Just trying to guess, is it that the inclusion classroom staff will be overwhelmed trying to meet the needs, or that the inclusion classroom atmosphere will be noisy and often disrupted, or... that your child might be the only child with an IEP in a non-inclusion classroom because all the other children with IEPs are in another room? I really don't know. But clearly you think something about an inclusion class model is not going to work for your child.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1 person asked for whatever reason. Trust me. NO ONE cares. OP kept going on about wanting her kid away from others with IEPs because it wouldn't be good for her so I think posters were trying to ascertain what is the diagnosis that would require this?.

OP here. Feel free to quote where I said I did not want my child around other children with IEPs.

On page 3 at 20:17 you said "My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child." Personally, I think it's fine to be concerned about that, but you have to expect that it will rub people the wrong way. Many people here are parents of students with high needs, and social and educational exclusion, stereotypes, and assumptions are a big part of our lives.

You think it's reasonable to go from "My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child." to "OP kept going on about wanting her kid away from others with IEPs "?

I don't think that's reasonable. In fact a natural consequence of the model that I am concerned about is that the children in the other classes are being kept away from childen with IEPs.

Well, I wasn't the one accusing you of "going on about" it. But it does seem like you're concerned about something. Just trying to guess, is it that the inclusion classroom staff will be overwhelmed trying to meet the needs, or that the inclusion classroom atmosphere will be noisy and often disrupted, or... that your child might be the only child with an IEP in a non-inclusion classroom because all the other children with IEPs are in another room? I really don't know. But clearly you think something about an inclusion class model is not going to work for your child.

Have you never been concerned about your child or how well the school can serve them?

Also, you are using a term "inclusion class model" without clearly defining it. If the definition is that it is a class that includes children with IEPs and children without IEPs, then no that does not concern me. That's what I want for my child. What would concern me is if it were called an "inclusion class" but is in fact a class for children with IEPs, which is not what I could consider "inclusion". But I am new to this.

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Anonymous wrote:And so many students have IEPs these days (or 504s), I would venture to guess that unless you are talking HS AP foreign language or HS AP high level math, EVERY classroom has at least 1, if not more than 1, with an IEP or 504

My son had an IEP from 2nd through 12 grade for dyslexia and dysgraphia. He took 8 AP and two post AP classes.

adding including AP BC calculus, AP Chem, both AP Physics C.

This isn't the issue or what she is asking. In ES, some schools put any child with an IEP in the same classroom. It doesn't matter why the child has an IEP and then they mix in a few other kids. It works great for some kids and not so great for other kids. They don't allow classroom choice and you are forced into this classroom and the only way out is to get rid of the IEP.

In my son's case it was a disaster for him. He has dyslexia and really needed and OG program. I had no issue getting the IEP because he was first eligible under speech then Specific Learning Disability. By the end of first he couldn't read and didn't have pre-reading skills like being able to rhyme, orally blend, or say the beginning or ending sounds of words. They stuck him in second grade in a class where all the students who had IEP's were placed (there were a few kids who had speech only IEP's in other rooms). There was an aide assigned full time to the class and the special ed teacher pushed in part of the day. My son did NOT get what he needed which was OG reading and spelling help. The class was so loud and there were so many behavior issue. They placed a couple of students who needed IEP's in that room but didn't have them perhaps because an aide was in there. My son barely ever got pulled to do reading and when he did he was grouped with kids who had different issues - ID, ADHD, etc. The classroom had to be evacuated regularly because of two really disruptive students.

In the end I had to have him exit special ed so he wouldn't be placed in that type of classroom for third grade. I had him switch to a 504 plan and he got help from the school reading intervention teacher who was SO much better than the special ed teacher. He didn't qualify to get help from the intervention teacher when he was in special ed.

This post makes no sense and is filled with ignorance, especially the bolded.