Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

OP, it's unclear what you want. Are you asking for your child to be the only one in the classroom with an IEP? Because that's not going to happen. There are going to be a bunch of kids with IEPs in the gen-ed classroom and, hopefully, additional staff to meet their needs. It's not possible for one teacher to teach gen-ed and also meet all IEPs, so the other adults have to be present. If that's "team taught", okay, but what's so bad about it?

OP here. The above poster is not me. What I was wondering about is whether it is typical for elementary schools to have all the IEP students in one class rather than spreading them out across the different classes for the grade. It sounds like a lot of schools do this, which is helpful to know. I have concerns about how this model will impact my child, but understand this is not something I would have a choice about.

Well, you might have a choice, it depends on the school and the content of your daughter's IEP. But some schools don't give anyone a choice of classroom for any reason.

Try to understand, the school is trying to meet the students' needs staffing-wise and that's what drives this. So if there's a class with a special ed co-teacher or a certain type of paraprofessional or whatever, it's not necessarily the case that all the students with IEPs are in that class. It's all the students with a certain *type* of IEP, like all the students who get speech therapy, or all the students with ASD, or whatever it happens to be, so that the staffing can be done to provide them services and the classroom is designed with their needs in the forefront. This can be a really good thing. It's not like everyone with an IEP for any reason gets put in the same class automatically.

I'm not sure what you're concerned about specifically, but try to give up on the idea that your child will not be in class with other children with IEPs. Your child is definitely, definitely going to be around other children with IEPs regardless of the school's policy on classroom assignments and regardless of whether your child has an IEP. Because even in schools with a co-teaching inclusion program for chlidren with certain types of IEPs, there are plenty of children with other types of IEPs in the other classrooms. You might not be aware of it, but they are there. Yes, it can feel stigmatizing or be complex to be in an inclusion classroom, and yes there can be behavior problems or kids getting upset or kids who are below grade level, or whatever. But your child could be assigned to that classroom with no IEP at all, and you're going to have those kinds of problems no matter what type classroom you're in.

I'm not against my child being in a class with other children with IEOs. You are confusing me with someone else. My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child. I get why the school does it. I really just wanted to know if this is a typical practice in elementary schools, and it sounds like it is. My child is not in school yet so this isn't about what I am personally perceiving.

Well, it just depends on the school. Some have lots of high nerds children in every class. Some offer special programming for certain types of needs. Others have special classrooms for certain children with high needs, and moderate and mild needs are mainstreamed. You'd have to ask your school.

It sounds like what you want is for your child not to be around children with higher needs. And try to be sensitive how you talk about that on this board. Many of us are the parents of children with higher needs, you know.

Remember, you could be assigned to the inclusion class without an IEP. And if there were not an inclusion class, you would likely be in a class with some of the children with higher needs and less support for them. Would that be better? I don't know. It really just depends.

That's not what I am saying, and I'm sorry that's how it has come across to you.

It sounds like you are okay with one or two, but not more. Is that right? Or what is it that you are concerned about?

No that is not right, and it sounds like you are determined to find a way to be offended, so I am out.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

OP, it's unclear what you want. Are you asking for your child to be the only one in the classroom with an IEP? Because that's not going to happen. There are going to be a bunch of kids with IEPs in the gen-ed classroom and, hopefully, additional staff to meet their needs. It's not possible for one teacher to teach gen-ed and also meet all IEPs, so the other adults have to be present. If that's "team taught", okay, but what's so bad about it?

OP here. The above poster is not me. What I was wondering about is whether it is typical for elementary schools to have all the IEP students in one class rather than spreading them out across the different classes for the grade. It sounds like a lot of schools do this, which is helpful to know. I have concerns about how this model will impact my child, but understand this is not something I would have a choice about.

Well, you might have a choice, it depends on the school and the content of your daughter's IEP. But some schools don't give anyone a choice of classroom for any reason.

Try to understand, the school is trying to meet the students' needs staffing-wise and that's what drives this. So if there's a class with a special ed co-teacher or a certain type of paraprofessional or whatever, it's not necessarily the case that all the students with IEPs are in that class. It's all the students with a certain *type* of IEP, like all the students who get speech therapy, or all the students with ASD, or whatever it happens to be, so that the staffing can be done to provide them services and the classroom is designed with their needs in the forefront. This can be a really good thing. It's not like everyone with an IEP for any reason gets put in the same class automatically.

I'm not sure what you're concerned about specifically, but try to give up on the idea that your child will not be in class with other children with IEPs. Your child is definitely, definitely going to be around other children with IEPs regardless of the school's policy on classroom assignments and regardless of whether your child has an IEP. Because even in schools with a co-teaching inclusion program for chlidren with certain types of IEPs, there are plenty of children with other types of IEPs in the other classrooms. You might not be aware of it, but they are there. Yes, it can feel stigmatizing or be complex to be in an inclusion classroom, and yes there can be behavior problems or kids getting upset or kids who are below grade level, or whatever. But your child could be assigned to that classroom with no IEP at all, and you're going to have those kinds of problems no matter what type classroom you're in.

I'm not against my child being in a class with other children with IEOs. You are confusing me with someone else. My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child. I get why the school does it. I really just wanted to know if this is a typical practice in elementary schools, and it sounds like it is. My child is not in school yet so this isn't about what I am personally perceiving.

Well, it just depends on the school. Some have lots of high nerds children in every class. Some offer special programming for certain types of needs. Others have special classrooms for certain children with high needs, and moderate and mild needs are mainstreamed. You'd have to ask your school.

It sounds like what you want is for your child not to be around children with higher needs. And try to be sensitive how you talk about that on this board. Many of us are the parents of children with higher needs, you know.

Remember, you could be assigned to the inclusion class without an IEP. And if there were not an inclusion class, you would likely be in a class with some of the children with higher needs and less support for them. Would that be better? I don't know. It really just depends.

That's not what I am saying, and I'm sorry that's how it has come across to you.

It sounds like you are okay with one or two, but not more. Is that right? Or what is it that you are concerned about?

No that is not right, and it sounds like you are determined to find a way to be offended, so I am out.

So what are you actually concerned about?

Look, not everyone's going to be able to have their child be in a room with only less needy kids than themselves. Most people don't get that. Most people don't feel their child's needs are fully met, SN or no SN, in hundreds of schools in this country. We would all love a classroom free of whatever you're worried about. But most of us aren't going to get it.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

OP, it's unclear what you want. Are you asking for your child to be the only one in the classroom with an IEP? Because that's not going to happen. There are going to be a bunch of kids with IEPs in the gen-ed classroom and, hopefully, additional staff to meet their needs. It's not possible for one teacher to teach gen-ed and also meet all IEPs, so the other adults have to be present. If that's "team taught", okay, but what's so bad about it?

OP here. The above poster is not me. What I was wondering about is whether it is typical for elementary schools to have all the IEP students in one class rather than spreading them out across the different classes for the grade. It sounds like a lot of schools do this, which is helpful to know. I have concerns about how this model will impact my child, but understand this is not something I would have a choice about.

Well, you might have a choice, it depends on the school and the content of your daughter's IEP. But some schools don't give anyone a choice of classroom for any reason.

Try to understand, the school is trying to meet the students' needs staffing-wise and that's what drives this. So if there's a class with a special ed co-teacher or a certain type of paraprofessional or whatever, it's not necessarily the case that all the students with IEPs are in that class. It's all the students with a certain *type* of IEP, like all the students who get speech therapy, or all the students with ASD, or whatever it happens to be, so that the staffing can be done to provide them services and the classroom is designed with their needs in the forefront. This can be a really good thing. It's not like everyone with an IEP for any reason gets put in the same class automatically.

I'm not sure what you're concerned about specifically, but try to give up on the idea that your child will not be in class with other children with IEPs. Your child is definitely, definitely going to be around other children with IEPs regardless of the school's policy on classroom assignments and regardless of whether your child has an IEP. Because even in schools with a co-teaching inclusion program for chlidren with certain types of IEPs, there are plenty of children with other types of IEPs in the other classrooms. You might not be aware of it, but they are there. Yes, it can feel stigmatizing or be complex to be in an inclusion classroom, and yes there can be behavior problems or kids getting upset or kids who are below grade level, or whatever. But your child could be assigned to that classroom with no IEP at all, and you're going to have those kinds of problems no matter what type classroom you're in.

I'm not against my child being in a class with other children with IEOs. You are confusing me with someone else. My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child. I get why the school does it. I really just wanted to know if this is a typical practice in elementary schools, and it sounds like it is. My child is not in school yet so this isn't about what I am personally perceiving.

Well, it just depends on the school. Some have lots of high nerds children in every class. Some offer special programming for certain types of needs. Others have special classrooms for certain children with high needs, and moderate and mild needs are mainstreamed. You'd have to ask your school.

It sounds like what you want is for your child not to be around children with higher needs. And try to be sensitive how you talk about that on this board. Many of us are the parents of children with higher needs, you know.

Remember, you could be assigned to the inclusion class without an IEP. And if there were not an inclusion class, you would likely be in a class with some of the children with higher needs and less support for them. Would that be better? I don't know. It really just depends.

That's not what I am saying, and I'm sorry that's how it has come across to you.

It sounds like you are okay with one or two, but not more. Is that right? Or what is it that you are concerned about?

The issue is every child with an iep is placed in one classroom regardless of the sn. So, the higher need kids get the most attention and lower need kids get ignored. It’s also a very chaotic classroom. That’s not an inclusion classroom.

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Actually, what you've described IS an inclusion classroom. My children do not have special needs. Throughout all of their ES, and most of their MS experience, we were told teachers differentiate in the classroom. Teachers may occaisionally attempt this, but as someone who often volunteered in the classroom, more often than not the teacher spends most of their time trying to catch up the students who are behind, and dealing with students with behaviors (and these days, there are MANY in every classroom). Meanwhile the high flyers, plus the quiet kids, pretty much get ignored, because, "they will be fine."

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

OP, it's unclear what you want. Are you asking for your child to be the only one in the classroom with an IEP? Because that's not going to happen. There are going to be a bunch of kids with IEPs in the gen-ed classroom and, hopefully, additional staff to meet their needs. It's not possible for one teacher to teach gen-ed and also meet all IEPs, so the other adults have to be present. If that's "team taught", okay, but what's so bad about it?

OP here. The above poster is not me. What I was wondering about is whether it is typical for elementary schools to have all the IEP students in one class rather than spreading them out across the different classes for the grade. It sounds like a lot of schools do this, which is helpful to know. I have concerns about how this model will impact my child, but understand this is not something I would have a choice about.

Well, you might have a choice, it depends on the school and the content of your daughter's IEP. But some schools don't give anyone a choice of classroom for any reason.

Try to understand, the school is trying to meet the students' needs staffing-wise and that's what drives this. So if there's a class with a special ed co-teacher or a certain type of paraprofessional or whatever, it's not necessarily the case that all the students with IEPs are in that class. It's all the students with a certain *type* of IEP, like all the students who get speech therapy, or all the students with ASD, or whatever it happens to be, so that the staffing can be done to provide them services and the classroom is designed with their needs in the forefront. This can be a really good thing. It's not like everyone with an IEP for any reason gets put in the same class automatically.

I'm not sure what you're concerned about specifically, but try to give up on the idea that your child will not be in class with other children with IEPs. Your child is definitely, definitely going to be around other children with IEPs regardless of the school's policy on classroom assignments and regardless of whether your child has an IEP. Because even in schools with a co-teaching inclusion program for chlidren with certain types of IEPs, there are plenty of children with other types of IEPs in the other classrooms. You might not be aware of it, but they are there. Yes, it can feel stigmatizing or be complex to be in an inclusion classroom, and yes there can be behavior problems or kids getting upset or kids who are below grade level, or whatever. But your child could be assigned to that classroom with no IEP at all, and you're going to have those kinds of problems no matter what type classroom you're in.

I'm not against my child being in a class with other children with IEOs. You are confusing me with someone else. My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child. I get why the school does it. I really just wanted to know if this is a typical practice in elementary schools, and it sounds like it is. My child is not in school yet so this isn't about what I am personally perceiving.

Well, it just depends on the school. Some have lots of high nerds children in every class. Some offer special programming for certain types of needs. Others have special classrooms for certain children with high needs, and moderate and mild needs are mainstreamed. You'd have to ask your school.

It sounds like what you want is for your child not to be around children with higher needs. And try to be sensitive how you talk about that on this board. Many of us are the parents of children with higher needs, you know.

Remember, you could be assigned to the inclusion class without an IEP. And if there were not an inclusion class, you would likely be in a class with some of the children with higher needs and less support for them. Would that be better? I don't know. It really just depends.

That's not what I am saying, and I'm sorry that's how it has come across to you.

It sounds like you are okay with one or two, but not more. Is that right? Or what is it that you are concerned about?

The issue is every child with an iep is placed in one classroom regardless of the sn. So, the higher need kids get the most attention and lower need kids get ignored. It’s also a very chaotic classroom. That’s not an inclusion classroom.

Please stop. You’re being ridiculous. You’re speaking as if every kid with an IEP has 25 hours of service and all in the gen ed classroom. And that there are 18 out of 20 kids with an IEP. This is just not true. I’ve been a public school teacher and administrator for almost 30 years. I’ve been the gen ed teacher for years. Classes are built with a balance of students. Some students have a IEP for 5 hours a week and some have a IEP for 15 hours a week. Yes, the higher needs kids do get more attention…IN THE FORM OF SERVICES. This is why a special education teacher is ALSO staffed to be in the classroom as the hours dictate. If there are many students at a grade level with an IEP, they are placed across several classrooms.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

OP, it's unclear what you want. Are you asking for your child to be the only one in the classroom with an IEP? Because that's not going to happen. There are going to be a bunch of kids with IEPs in the gen-ed classroom and, hopefully, additional staff to meet their needs. It's not possible for one teacher to teach gen-ed and also meet all IEPs, so the other adults have to be present. If that's "team taught", okay, but what's so bad about it?

OP here. The above poster is not me. What I was wondering about is whether it is typical for elementary schools to have all the IEP students in one class rather than spreading them out across the different classes for the grade. It sounds like a lot of schools do this, which is helpful to know. I have concerns about how this model will impact my child, but understand this is not something I would have a choice about.

Well, you might have a choice, it depends on the school and the content of your daughter's IEP. But some schools don't give anyone a choice of classroom for any reason.

Try to understand, the school is trying to meet the students' needs staffing-wise and that's what drives this. So if there's a class with a special ed co-teacher or a certain type of paraprofessional or whatever, it's not necessarily the case that all the students with IEPs are in that class. It's all the students with a certain *type* of IEP, like all the students who get speech therapy, or all the students with ASD, or whatever it happens to be, so that the staffing can be done to provide them services and the classroom is designed with their needs in the forefront. This can be a really good thing. It's not like everyone with an IEP for any reason gets put in the same class automatically.

I'm not sure what you're concerned about specifically, but try to give up on the idea that your child will not be in class with other children with IEPs. Your child is definitely, definitely going to be around other children with IEPs regardless of the school's policy on classroom assignments and regardless of whether your child has an IEP. Because even in schools with a co-teaching inclusion program for chlidren with certain types of IEPs, there are plenty of children with other types of IEPs in the other classrooms. You might not be aware of it, but they are there. Yes, it can feel stigmatizing or be complex to be in an inclusion classroom, and yes there can be behavior problems or kids getting upset or kids who are below grade level, or whatever. But your child could be assigned to that classroom with no IEP at all, and you're going to have those kinds of problems no matter what type classroom you're in.

I'm not against my child being in a class with other children with IEOs. You are confusing me with someone else. My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child. I get why the school does it. I really just wanted to know if this is a typical practice in elementary schools, and it sounds like it is. My child is not in school yet so this isn't about what I am personally perceiving.

Well, it just depends on the school. Some have lots of high nerds children in every class. Some offer special programming for certain types of needs. Others have special classrooms for certain children with high needs, and moderate and mild needs are mainstreamed. You'd have to ask your school.

It sounds like what you want is for your child not to be around children with higher needs. And try to be sensitive how you talk about that on this board. Many of us are the parents of children with higher needs, you know.

Remember, you could be assigned to the inclusion class without an IEP. And if there were not an inclusion class, you would likely be in a class with some of the children with higher needs and less support for them. Would that be better? I don't know. It really just depends.

That's not what I am saying, and I'm sorry that's how it has come across to you.

It sounds like you are okay with one or two, but not more. Is that right? Or what is it that you are concerned about?

The issue is every child with an iep is placed in one classroom regardless of the sn. So, the higher need kids get the most attention and lower need kids get ignored. It’s also a very chaotic classroom. That’s not an inclusion classroom.

Please stop. You’re being ridiculous. You’re speaking as if every kid with an IEP has 25 hours of service and all in the gen ed classroom. And that there are 18 out of 20 kids with an IEP. This is just not true. I’ve been a public school teacher and administrator for almost 30 years. I’ve been the gen ed teacher for years. Classes are built with a balance of students. Some students have a IEP for 5 hours a week and some have a IEP for 15 hours a week. Yes, the higher needs kids do get more attention…IN THE FORM OF SERVICES. This is why a special education teacher is ALSO staffed to be in the classroom as the hours dictate. If there are many students at a grade level with an IEP, they are placed across several classrooms.

OP here. Just FYI, the above poster is not me.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

OP, it's unclear what you want. Are you asking for your child to be the only one in the classroom with an IEP? Because that's not going to happen. There are going to be a bunch of kids with IEPs in the gen-ed classroom and, hopefully, additional staff to meet their needs. It's not possible for one teacher to teach gen-ed and also meet all IEPs, so the other adults have to be present. If that's "team taught", okay, but what's so bad about it?

OP here. The above poster is not me. What I was wondering about is whether it is typical for elementary schools to have all the IEP students in one class rather than spreading them out across the different classes for the grade. It sounds like a lot of schools do this, which is helpful to know. I have concerns about how this model will impact my child, but understand this is not something I would have a choice about.

Well, you might have a choice, it depends on the school and the content of your daughter's IEP. But some schools don't give anyone a choice of classroom for any reason.

Try to understand, the school is trying to meet the students' needs staffing-wise and that's what drives this. So if there's a class with a special ed co-teacher or a certain type of paraprofessional or whatever, it's not necessarily the case that all the students with IEPs are in that class. It's all the students with a certain *type* of IEP, like all the students who get speech therapy, or all the students with ASD, or whatever it happens to be, so that the staffing can be done to provide them services and the classroom is designed with their needs in the forefront. This can be a really good thing. It's not like everyone with an IEP for any reason gets put in the same class automatically.

I'm not sure what you're concerned about specifically, but try to give up on the idea that your child will not be in class with other children with IEPs. Your child is definitely, definitely going to be around other children with IEPs regardless of the school's policy on classroom assignments and regardless of whether your child has an IEP. Because even in schools with a co-teaching inclusion program for chlidren with certain types of IEPs, there are plenty of children with other types of IEPs in the other classrooms. You might not be aware of it, but they are there. Yes, it can feel stigmatizing or be complex to be in an inclusion classroom, and yes there can be behavior problems or kids getting upset or kids who are below grade level, or whatever. But your child could be assigned to that classroom with no IEP at all, and you're going to have those kinds of problems no matter what type classroom you're in.

I'm not against my child being in a class with other children with IEOs. You are confusing me with someone else. My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child. I get why the school does it. I really just wanted to know if this is a typical practice in elementary schools, and it sounds like it is. My child is not in school yet so this isn't about what I am personally perceiving.

Well, it just depends on the school. Some have lots of high nerds children in every class. Some offer special programming for certain types of needs. Others have special classrooms for certain children with high needs, and moderate and mild needs are mainstreamed. You'd have to ask your school.

It sounds like what you want is for your child not to be around children with higher needs. And try to be sensitive how you talk about that on this board. Many of us are the parents of children with higher needs, you know.

Remember, you could be assigned to the inclusion class without an IEP. And if there were not an inclusion class, you would likely be in a class with some of the children with higher needs and less support for them. Would that be better? I don't know. It really just depends.

That's not what I am saying, and I'm sorry that's how it has come across to you.

It sounds like you are okay with one or two, but not more. Is that right? Or what is it that you are concerned about?

No that is not right, and it sounds like you are determined to find a way to be offended, so I am out.

So what are you actually concerned about?

Look, not everyone's going to be able to have their child be in a room with only less needy kids than themselves. Most people don't get that. Most people don't feel their child's needs are fully met, SN or no SN, in hundreds of schools in this country. We would all love a classroom free of whatever you're worried about. But most of us aren't going to get it.

It sounds like you are fishing for my child's diagnosis, which I am not going to give you.

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OP - or for any parent of a young child, you want your child with a disability to be placed in the classroom with the appropriate supports which often does have a clustered of students with IEPs in a class setting so that additional staffing can be arranged to support the needs of these students. It might be a co-taught class with a regular classroom teacher all day or by subject matter for certain classes rotating as in MS or HS. Or it may be pullout to a resource center/class for small group instruction in ES during the language arts and math times. The behavior aspect of a classroom really can be skewed by the actions of all students - not just those with disabilities. Now one thing it is important for you to learn about is what if any special programs are offered at your local elementary school as this might have an impact on the learning environment in the school. If there is an autism program or an emotional regulation class with the appropriate supports and educational methods, while it might be great for those students meeting the class profile, it also might be a room that other students are dropped into who want to attend the ES. There are many needs to be met for students due to Covid which just places a lot of stress for teaching staff and budgets are not unlimited.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

OP, it's unclear what you want. Are you asking for your child to be the only one in the classroom with an IEP? Because that's not going to happen. There are going to be a bunch of kids with IEPs in the gen-ed classroom and, hopefully, additional staff to meet their needs. It's not possible for one teacher to teach gen-ed and also meet all IEPs, so the other adults have to be present. If that's "team taught", okay, but what's so bad about it?

OP here. The above poster is not me. What I was wondering about is whether it is typical for elementary schools to have all the IEP students in one class rather than spreading them out across the different classes for the grade. It sounds like a lot of schools do this, which is helpful to know. I have concerns about how this model will impact my child, but understand this is not something I would have a choice about.

Well, you might have a choice, it depends on the school and the content of your daughter's IEP. But some schools don't give anyone a choice of classroom for any reason.

Try to understand, the school is trying to meet the students' needs staffing-wise and that's what drives this. So if there's a class with a special ed co-teacher or a certain type of paraprofessional or whatever, it's not necessarily the case that all the students with IEPs are in that class. It's all the students with a certain *type* of IEP, like all the students who get speech therapy, or all the students with ASD, or whatever it happens to be, so that the staffing can be done to provide them services and the classroom is designed with their needs in the forefront. This can be a really good thing. It's not like everyone with an IEP for any reason gets put in the same class automatically.

I'm not sure what you're concerned about specifically, but try to give up on the idea that your child will not be in class with other children with IEPs. Your child is definitely, definitely going to be around other children with IEPs regardless of the school's policy on classroom assignments and regardless of whether your child has an IEP. Because even in schools with a co-teaching inclusion program for chlidren with certain types of IEPs, there are plenty of children with other types of IEPs in the other classrooms. You might not be aware of it, but they are there. Yes, it can feel stigmatizing or be complex to be in an inclusion classroom, and yes there can be behavior problems or kids getting upset or kids who are below grade level, or whatever. But your child could be assigned to that classroom with no IEP at all, and you're going to have those kinds of problems no matter what type classroom you're in.

I'm not against my child being in a class with other children with IEOs. You are confusing me with someone else. My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child. I get why the school does it. I really just wanted to know if this is a typical practice in elementary schools, and it sounds like it is. My child is not in school yet so this isn't about what I am personally perceiving.

Well, it just depends on the school. Some have lots of high nerds children in every class. Some offer special programming for certain types of needs. Others have special classrooms for certain children with high needs, and moderate and mild needs are mainstreamed. You'd have to ask your school.

It sounds like what you want is for your child not to be around children with higher needs. And try to be sensitive how you talk about that on this board. Many of us are the parents of children with higher needs, you know.

Remember, you could be assigned to the inclusion class without an IEP. And if there were not an inclusion class, you would likely be in a class with some of the children with higher needs and less support for them. Would that be better? I don't know. It really just depends.

That's not what I am saying, and I'm sorry that's how it has come across to you.

It sounds like you are okay with one or two, but not more. Is that right? Or what is it that you are concerned about?

No that is not right, and it sounds like you are determined to find a way to be offended, so I am out.

So what are you actually concerned about?

Look, not everyone's going to be able to have their child be in a room with only less needy kids than themselves. Most people don't get that. Most people don't feel their child's needs are fully met, SN or no SN, in hundreds of schools in this country. We would all love a classroom free of whatever you're worried about. But most of us aren't going to get it.

It sounds like you are fishing for my child's diagnosis, which I am not going to give you.

Not at all. But when it's unclear what you're concerned about, so it's hard to be helpful to you. You're concerned about "concentrating" students with the highest needs, but try to understand that the co-teaching model means that it's possible to give them more attention from a real special ed teacher than they would get if they were not "concentrated". Again, it seems like you're concerned that it will be bad for your child to be in a classroom with several children with higher needs. But you need to understand that they're going to be in class with children with higher needs at most schools, regardless of what model of inclusion is used. Because there are a lot of children with higher needs, and that's what inclusion means.

Different schools do things differently, and different schools have different amounts of students with special needs. They set up their classroom assignment system according to the needs of their student body as a whole, and it varies. You might get more information about your specific school on the Montgomery County board.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

OP, it's unclear what you want. Are you asking for your child to be the only one in the classroom with an IEP? Because that's not going to happen. There are going to be a bunch of kids with IEPs in the gen-ed classroom and, hopefully, additional staff to meet their needs. It's not possible for one teacher to teach gen-ed and also meet all IEPs, so the other adults have to be present. If that's "team taught", okay, but what's so bad about it?

OP here. The above poster is not me. What I was wondering about is whether it is typical for elementary schools to have all the IEP students in one class rather than spreading them out across the different classes for the grade. It sounds like a lot of schools do this, which is helpful to know. I have concerns about how this model will impact my child, but understand this is not something I would have a choice about.

Well, you might have a choice, it depends on the school and the content of your daughter's IEP. But some schools don't give anyone a choice of classroom for any reason.

Try to understand, the school is trying to meet the students' needs staffing-wise and that's what drives this. So if there's a class with a special ed co-teacher or a certain type of paraprofessional or whatever, it's not necessarily the case that all the students with IEPs are in that class. It's all the students with a certain *type* of IEP, like all the students who get speech therapy, or all the students with ASD, or whatever it happens to be, so that the staffing can be done to provide them services and the classroom is designed with their needs in the forefront. This can be a really good thing. It's not like everyone with an IEP for any reason gets put in the same class automatically.

I'm not sure what you're concerned about specifically, but try to give up on the idea that your child will not be in class with other children with IEPs. Your child is definitely, definitely going to be around other children with IEPs regardless of the school's policy on classroom assignments and regardless of whether your child has an IEP. Because even in schools with a co-teaching inclusion program for chlidren with certain types of IEPs, there are plenty of children with other types of IEPs in the other classrooms. You might not be aware of it, but they are there. Yes, it can feel stigmatizing or be complex to be in an inclusion classroom, and yes there can be behavior problems or kids getting upset or kids who are below grade level, or whatever. But your child could be assigned to that classroom with no IEP at all, and you're going to have those kinds of problems no matter what type classroom you're in.

I'm not against my child being in a class with other children with IEOs. You are confusing me with someone else. My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child. I get why the school does it. I really just wanted to know if this is a typical practice in elementary schools, and it sounds like it is. My child is not in school yet so this isn't about what I am personally perceiving.

Well, it just depends on the school. Some have lots of high nerds children in every class. Some offer special programming for certain types of needs. Others have special classrooms for certain children with high needs, and moderate and mild needs are mainstreamed. You'd have to ask your school.

It sounds like what you want is for your child not to be around children with higher needs. And try to be sensitive how you talk about that on this board. Many of us are the parents of children with higher needs, you know.

Remember, you could be assigned to the inclusion class without an IEP. And if there were not an inclusion class, you would likely be in a class with some of the children with higher needs and less support for them. Would that be better? I don't know. It really just depends.

That's not what I am saying, and I'm sorry that's how it has come across to you.

It sounds like you are okay with one or two, but not more. Is that right? Or what is it that you are concerned about?

No that is not right, and it sounds like you are determined to find a way to be offended, so I am out.

So what are you actually concerned about?

Look, not everyone's going to be able to have their child be in a room with only less needy kids than themselves. Most people don't get that. Most people don't feel their child's needs are fully met, SN or no SN, in hundreds of schools in this country. We would all love a classroom free of whatever you're worried about. But most of us aren't going to get it.

It sounds like you are fishing for my child's diagnosis, which I am not going to give you.

Not at all. But when it's unclear what you're concerned about, so it's hard to be helpful to you. You're concerned about "concentrating" students with the highest needs, but try to understand that the co-teaching model means that it's possible to give them more attention from a real special ed teacher than they would get if they were not "concentrated". Again, it seems like you're concerned that it will be bad for your child to be in a classroom with several children with higher needs. But you need to understand that they're going to be in class with children with higher needs at most schools, regardless of what model of inclusion is used. Because there are a lot of children with higher needs, and that's what inclusion means.

Different schools do things differently, and different schools have different amounts of students with special needs. They set up their classroom assignment system according to the needs of their student body as a whole, and it varies. You might get more information about your specific school on the Montgomery County board.

I am confused why you need to know how you can "help" me since I have stated numerous times on this thread that I just wanted to know if this is a common model. Your insistence that you need more information is weird and intrusive.

Thanks for sharing the information that you have.

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A lot of times the IEPs specify that the child has a shared aide, so you have to group kids with IEPs to make this work.

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Incorrect. Where sped kids are placed has to do with their disability, age, staff and IEP requirements

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

OP, it's unclear what you want. Are you asking for your child to be the only one in the classroom with an IEP? Because that's not going to happen. There are going to be a bunch of kids with IEPs in the gen-ed classroom and, hopefully, additional staff to meet their needs. It's not possible for one teacher to teach gen-ed and also meet all IEPs, so the other adults have to be present. If that's "team taught", okay, but what's so bad about it?

OP here. The above poster is not me. What I was wondering about is whether it is typical for elementary schools to have all the IEP students in one class rather than spreading them out across the different classes for the grade. It sounds like a lot of schools do this, which is helpful to know. I have concerns about how this model will impact my child, but understand this is not something I would have a choice about.

Well, you might have a choice, it depends on the school and the content of your daughter's IEP. But some schools don't give anyone a choice of classroom for any reason.

Try to understand, the school is trying to meet the students' needs staffing-wise and that's what drives this. So if there's a class with a special ed co-teacher or a certain type of paraprofessional or whatever, it's not necessarily the case that all the students with IEPs are in that class. It's all the students with a certain *type* of IEP, like all the students who get speech therapy, or all the students with ASD, or whatever it happens to be, so that the staffing can be done to provide them services and the classroom is designed with their needs in the forefront. This can be a really good thing. It's not like everyone with an IEP for any reason gets put in the same class automatically.

I'm not sure what you're concerned about specifically, but try to give up on the idea that your child will not be in class with other children with IEPs. Your child is definitely, definitely going to be around other children with IEPs regardless of the school's policy on classroom assignments and regardless of whether your child has an IEP. Because even in schools with a co-teaching inclusion program for chlidren with certain types of IEPs, there are plenty of children with other types of IEPs in the other classrooms. You might not be aware of it, but they are there. Yes, it can feel stigmatizing or be complex to be in an inclusion classroom, and yes there can be behavior problems or kids getting upset or kids who are below grade level, or whatever. But your child could be assigned to that classroom with no IEP at all, and you're going to have those kinds of problems no matter what type classroom you're in.

I'm not against my child being in a class with other children with IEOs. You are confusing me with someone else. My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child. I get why the school does it. I really just wanted to know if this is a typical practice in elementary schools, and it sounds like it is. My child is not in school yet so this isn't about what I am personally perceiving.

Well, it just depends on the school. Some have lots of high nerds children in every class. Some offer special programming for certain types of needs. Others have special classrooms for certain children with high needs, and moderate and mild needs are mainstreamed. You'd have to ask your school.

It sounds like what you want is for your child not to be around children with higher needs. And try to be sensitive how you talk about that on this board. Many of us are the parents of children with higher needs, you know.

Remember, you could be assigned to the inclusion class without an IEP. And if there were not an inclusion class, you would likely be in a class with some of the children with higher needs and less support for them. Would that be better? I don't know. It really just depends.

That's not what I am saying, and I'm sorry that's how it has come across to you.

It sounds like you are okay with one or two, but not more. Is that right? Or what is it that you are concerned about?

No that is not right, and it sounds like you are determined to find a way to be offended, so I am out.

So what are you actually concerned about?

Look, not everyone's going to be able to have their child be in a room with only less needy kids than themselves. Most people don't get that. Most people don't feel their child's needs are fully met, SN or no SN, in hundreds of schools in this country. We would all love a classroom free of whatever you're worried about. But most of us aren't going to get it.

It sounds like you are fishing for my child's diagnosis, which I am not going to give you.

Not at all. But when it's unclear what you're concerned about, so it's hard to be helpful to you. You're concerned about "concentrating" students with the highest needs, but try to understand that the co-teaching model means that it's possible to give them more attention from a real special ed teacher than they would get if they were not "concentrated". Again, it seems like you're concerned that it will be bad for your child to be in a classroom with several children with higher needs. But you need to understand that they're going to be in class with children with higher needs at most schools, regardless of what model of inclusion is used. Because there are a lot of children with higher needs, and that's what inclusion means.

Different schools do things differently, and different schools have different amounts of students with special needs. They set up their classroom assignment system according to the needs of their student body as a whole, and it varies. You might get more information about your specific school on the Montgomery County board.

I am confused why you need to know how you can "help" me since I have stated numerous times on this thread that I just wanted to know if this is a common model. Your insistence that you need more information is weird and intrusive.

Thanks for sharing the information that you have.

Not PP. My question is why would you ask if grouping students with IEPs together is a common model? I am wondering what you thought an inclusion classroom would look like.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

OP, it's unclear what you want. Are you asking for your child to be the only one in the classroom with an IEP? Because that's not going to happen. There are going to be a bunch of kids with IEPs in the gen-ed classroom and, hopefully, additional staff to meet their needs. It's not possible for one teacher to teach gen-ed and also meet all IEPs, so the other adults have to be present. If that's "team taught", okay, but what's so bad about it?

OP here. The above poster is not me. What I was wondering about is whether it is typical for elementary schools to have all the IEP students in one class rather than spreading them out across the different classes for the grade. It sounds like a lot of schools do this, which is helpful to know. I have concerns about how this model will impact my child, but understand this is not something I would have a choice about.

Well, you might have a choice, it depends on the school and the content of your daughter's IEP. But some schools don't give anyone a choice of classroom for any reason.

Try to understand, the school is trying to meet the students' needs staffing-wise and that's what drives this. So if there's a class with a special ed co-teacher or a certain type of paraprofessional or whatever, it's not necessarily the case that all the students with IEPs are in that class. It's all the students with a certain *type* of IEP, like all the students who get speech therapy, or all the students with ASD, or whatever it happens to be, so that the staffing can be done to provide them services and the classroom is designed with their needs in the forefront. This can be a really good thing. It's not like everyone with an IEP for any reason gets put in the same class automatically.

I'm not sure what you're concerned about specifically, but try to give up on the idea that your child will not be in class with other children with IEPs. Your child is definitely, definitely going to be around other children with IEPs regardless of the school's policy on classroom assignments and regardless of whether your child has an IEP. Because even in schools with a co-teaching inclusion program for chlidren with certain types of IEPs, there are plenty of children with other types of IEPs in the other classrooms. You might not be aware of it, but they are there. Yes, it can feel stigmatizing or be complex to be in an inclusion classroom, and yes there can be behavior problems or kids getting upset or kids who are below grade level, or whatever. But your child could be assigned to that classroom with no IEP at all, and you're going to have those kinds of problems no matter what type classroom you're in.

I'm not against my child being in a class with other children with IEOs. You are confusing me with someone else. My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child. I get why the school does it. I really just wanted to know if this is a typical practice in elementary schools, and it sounds like it is. My child is not in school yet so this isn't about what I am personally perceiving.

Well, it just depends on the school. Some have lots of high nerds children in every class. Some offer special programming for certain types of needs. Others have special classrooms for certain children with high needs, and moderate and mild needs are mainstreamed. You'd have to ask your school.

It sounds like what you want is for your child not to be around children with higher needs. And try to be sensitive how you talk about that on this board. Many of us are the parents of children with higher needs, you know.

Remember, you could be assigned to the inclusion class without an IEP. And if there were not an inclusion class, you would likely be in a class with some of the children with higher needs and less support for them. Would that be better? I don't know. It really just depends.

That's not what I am saying, and I'm sorry that's how it has come across to you.

It sounds like you are okay with one or two, but not more. Is that right? Or what is it that you are concerned about?

No that is not right, and it sounds like you are determined to find a way to be offended, so I am out.

So what are you actually concerned about?

Look, not everyone's going to be able to have their child be in a room with only less needy kids than themselves. Most people don't get that. Most people don't feel their child's needs are fully met, SN or no SN, in hundreds of schools in this country. We would all love a classroom free of whatever you're worried about. But most of us aren't going to get it.

It sounds like you are fishing for my child's diagnosis, which I am not going to give you.

Not at all. But when it's unclear what you're concerned about, so it's hard to be helpful to you. You're concerned about "concentrating" students with the highest needs, but try to understand that the co-teaching model means that it's possible to give them more attention from a real special ed teacher than they would get if they were not "concentrated". Again, it seems like you're concerned that it will be bad for your child to be in a classroom with several children with higher needs. But you need to understand that they're going to be in class with children with higher needs at most schools, regardless of what model of inclusion is used. Because there are a lot of children with higher needs, and that's what inclusion means.

Different schools do things differently, and different schools have different amounts of students with special needs. They set up their classroom assignment system according to the needs of their student body as a whole, and it varies. You might get more information about your specific school on the Montgomery County board.

I am confused why you need to know how you can "help" me since I have stated numerous times on this thread that I just wanted to know if this is a common model. Your insistence that you need more information is weird and intrusive.

Thanks for sharing the information that you have.

Wow. Teachers are going to LOVE working with you. You really should check yourself before your kid gets to school because the way you are approaching the situation will not foster a collaborative learning environment between you and the teachers. You are downright hostile.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

OP, it's unclear what you want. Are you asking for your child to be the only one in the classroom with an IEP? Because that's not going to happen. There are going to be a bunch of kids with IEPs in the gen-ed classroom and, hopefully, additional staff to meet their needs. It's not possible for one teacher to teach gen-ed and also meet all IEPs, so the other adults have to be present. If that's "team taught", okay, but what's so bad about it?

OP here. The above poster is not me. What I was wondering about is whether it is typical for elementary schools to have all the IEP students in one class rather than spreading them out across the different classes for the grade. It sounds like a lot of schools do this, which is helpful to know. I have concerns about how this model will impact my child, but understand this is not something I would have a choice about.

Well, you might have a choice, it depends on the school and the content of your daughter's IEP. But some schools don't give anyone a choice of classroom for any reason.

Try to understand, the school is trying to meet the students' needs staffing-wise and that's what drives this. So if there's a class with a special ed co-teacher or a certain type of paraprofessional or whatever, it's not necessarily the case that all the students with IEPs are in that class. It's all the students with a certain *type* of IEP, like all the students who get speech therapy, or all the students with ASD, or whatever it happens to be, so that the staffing can be done to provide them services and the classroom is designed with their needs in the forefront. This can be a really good thing. It's not like everyone with an IEP for any reason gets put in the same class automatically.

I'm not sure what you're concerned about specifically, but try to give up on the idea that your child will not be in class with other children with IEPs. Your child is definitely, definitely going to be around other children with IEPs regardless of the school's policy on classroom assignments and regardless of whether your child has an IEP. Because even in schools with a co-teaching inclusion program for chlidren with certain types of IEPs, there are plenty of children with other types of IEPs in the other classrooms. You might not be aware of it, but they are there. Yes, it can feel stigmatizing or be complex to be in an inclusion classroom, and yes there can be behavior problems or kids getting upset or kids who are below grade level, or whatever. But your child could be assigned to that classroom with no IEP at all, and you're going to have those kinds of problems no matter what type classroom you're in.

I'm not against my child being in a class with other children with IEOs. You are confusing me with someone else. My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child. I get why the school does it. I really just wanted to know if this is a typical practice in elementary schools, and it sounds like it is. My child is not in school yet so this isn't about what I am personally perceiving.

Well, it just depends on the school. Some have lots of high nerds children in every class. Some offer special programming for certain types of needs. Others have special classrooms for certain children with high needs, and moderate and mild needs are mainstreamed. You'd have to ask your school.

It sounds like what you want is for your child not to be around children with higher needs. And try to be sensitive how you talk about that on this board. Many of us are the parents of children with higher needs, you know.

Remember, you could be assigned to the inclusion class without an IEP. And if there were not an inclusion class, you would likely be in a class with some of the children with higher needs and less support for them. Would that be better? I don't know. It really just depends.

That's not what I am saying, and I'm sorry that's how it has come across to you.

It sounds like you are okay with one or two, but not more. Is that right? Or what is it that you are concerned about?

No that is not right, and it sounds like you are determined to find a way to be offended, so I am out.

So what are you actually concerned about?

Look, not everyone's going to be able to have their child be in a room with only less needy kids than themselves. Most people don't get that. Most people don't feel their child's needs are fully met, SN or no SN, in hundreds of schools in this country. We would all love a classroom free of whatever you're worried about. But most of us aren't going to get it.

It sounds like you are fishing for my child's diagnosis, which I am not going to give you.

Not at all. But when it's unclear what you're concerned about, so it's hard to be helpful to you. You're concerned about "concentrating" students with the highest needs, but try to understand that the co-teaching model means that it's possible to give them more attention from a real special ed teacher than they would get if they were not "concentrated". Again, it seems like you're concerned that it will be bad for your child to be in a classroom with several children with higher needs. But you need to understand that they're going to be in class with children with higher needs at most schools, regardless of what model of inclusion is used. Because there are a lot of children with higher needs, and that's what inclusion means.

Different schools do things differently, and different schools have different amounts of students with special needs. They set up their classroom assignment system according to the needs of their student body as a whole, and it varies. You might get more information about your specific school on the Montgomery County board.

I am confused why you need to know how you can "help" me since I have stated numerous times on this thread that I just wanted to know if this is a common model. Your insistence that you need more information is weird and intrusive.

Thanks for sharing the information that you have.

Wow. Teachers are going to LOVE working with you. You really should check yourself before your kid gets to school because the way you are approaching the situation will not foster a collaborative learning environment between you and the teachers. You are downright hostile.

Sorry that your fishing for information about my child on a public forum did not work out for you.