Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

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Anonymous wrote:OP, get a private evaluation and if you can afford it, get private services. Now is the best time to engage your child in services. Don't just rely on school services, especially at that school.

Oh we are definitely not relying on school services, but we can't send her into the school without preparing them and her due to her

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

Yes, it is inclusion. Kids are in the general education class all day with support pushing in as determined by IEP hours. That is the LRE. I taught the inclusion class for years and loved it. I did my best teaching when I had a special education co-teacher in the room with me.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

OP, it's unclear what you want. Are you asking for your child to be the only one in the classroom with an IEP? Because that's not going to happen. There are going to be a bunch of kids with IEPs in the gen-ed classroom and, hopefully, additional staff to meet their needs. It's not possible for one teacher to teach gen-ed and also meet all IEPs, so the other adults have to be present. If that's "team taught", okay, but what's so bad about it?

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OP, I'm not sure about in your county, but in DCPS there are special classrooms for kids with a lot of special needs. This is called "self-contained" and the classrooms have a specially trained teacher, small class size, and more aides. That's one option for placement. For kids with IEPs who don't require that level of placement, it's possible to be in the gen-ed classroom with push-in support (that means specialists visit the classroom to work with the kid or a small group with similar needs). Third, in some schools, kids with a certain support need are grouped in one of the gen-ed classrooms (like, all the kids who get time with the speech therapist) so that the services can be provided in a small group setting.

It's not clear from your post what you're anticipating or what you think your DD needs. How can we help you?

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Not anymore, there way too many kids with IEPS

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

Yes, it is inclusion. Kids are in the general education class all day with support pushing in as determined by IEP hours. That is the LRE. I taught the inclusion class for years and loved it. I did my best teaching when I had a special education co-teacher in the room with me.

It is not inclusion if they are grouped together in one class. A classroom that has a special Ed co-teacher is a great set up, but it is not inclusion- it is team taught. Team taught is more inclusive than other more segregated environments, but it is not full inclusion. In the set up of having the students with IEPs grouped in one or two classes, means that they are excluded from the classes with no students with IEPs.

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3 and 4 year olds with IEPs in MCPS are in PEP (Preschool Education Program). Most are discrete classes, with limited enrollment numbers and a teacher and para (or paras, depending).

K through 5, assuming diploma track and not autism or LFI, they will be integrated into the classroom, some students with IEPs and also many without.

MS has a resource class available to those with IEPs (so they skip an elective to get more support where they need it), and some classes have less kids with IEPs and some have more - if a class woth more, sometimes they are co-taught so that there are always 2 teachers in the classroom.

HS also has a resource class space, and other supports

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

Yes, it is inclusion. Kids are in the general education class all day with support pushing in as determined by IEP hours. That is the LRE. I taught the inclusion class for years and loved it. I did my best teaching when I had a special education co-teacher in the room with me.

It is not inclusion if they are grouped together in one class. A classroom that has a special Ed co-teacher is a great set up, but it is not inclusion- it is team taught. Team taught is more inclusive than other more segregated environments, but it is not full inclusion. In the set up of having the students with IEPs grouped in one or two classes, means that they are excluded from the classes with no students with IEPs.

Our school doesn't have any other kind of class. All Gen-ed classes have several students with IEPs and a co-teacher focused on SPED. So I don't think anyone would be entitled to anything other than that.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

Yes, it is inclusion. Kids are in the general education class all day with support pushing in as determined by IEP hours. That is the LRE. I taught the inclusion class for years and loved it. I did my best teaching when I had a special education co-teacher in the room with me.

It is not inclusion if they are grouped together in one class. A classroom that has a special Ed co-teacher is a great set up, but it is not inclusion- it is team taught. Team taught is more inclusive than other more segregated environments, but it is not full inclusion. In the set up of having the students with IEPs grouped in one or two classes, means that they are excluded from the classes with no students with IEPs.

Um, OK. If you put a kid with an IEP in a classroom, they're not going to be in a classroom with no IEPs. Not sure what you're trying to get at.

Pretty much always there are more students with IEPs than there are special ed teachers. And there are are almost always fewer special ed teachers per grade than classrooms. If a kid with an IEP needs an extra adult in a class, they're almost certainly going to be in a class with other kids with IEPs.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

Yes, it is inclusion. Kids are in the general education class all day with support pushing in as determined by IEP hours. That is the LRE. I taught the inclusion class for years and loved it. I did my best teaching when I had a special education co-teacher in the room with me.

It is not inclusion if they are grouped together in one class. A classroom that has a special Ed co-teacher is a great set up, but it is not inclusion- it is team taught. Team taught is more inclusive than other more segregated environments, but it is not full inclusion. In the set up of having the students with IEPs grouped in one or two classes, means that they are excluded from the classes with no students with IEPs.

Please stop talking about things you don’t know about. It’s about access to the general education curriculum and in a class with same-aged peers. A student in an inclusion classroom has those requirements met. The same exact curriculum is being taught in the class where there are no students with IEPs.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

Yes, it is inclusion. Kids are in the general education class all day with support pushing in as determined by IEP hours. That is the LRE. I taught the inclusion class for years and loved it. I did my best teaching when I had a special education co-teacher in the room with me.

It is not inclusion if they are grouped together in one class. A classroom that has a special Ed co-teacher is a great set up, but it is not inclusion- it is team taught. Team taught is more inclusive than other more segregated environments, but it is not full inclusion. In the set up of having the students with IEPs grouped in one or two classes, means that they are excluded from the classes with no students with IEPs.

This makes zero sense.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

LRE doesn't mean what you think it means. LRE means that kids with disabilities be educated with their peers to the greatest extent possible. That can be when a special educator/SLP/OT/PT is providing push-in services in the general ed classroom or it can be in a team taught class. It's very different than the self-contained/special ed classroom setting where all the students have IEPs.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a 3 yo with what appear to be mild special needs and are zoned for Oakland Terrace ES in MCPS. I have seen some posts on DCUM complaining that IEP kids at this school were segregated from other children into.the same class. We do not have an IEP yet (have requested Child Find screening) but am paranoid if she gets one, this model will not work for her for a few reasons. I thought kids with IEPs should be integrated, not segregated.

They shouldn’t only be in certain classes. It is not Least Restrictive Environment. It is also not fair to the teachers. They are basically treating them as something akin to team taught classes. It is not inclusion.

Yes, it is inclusion. Kids are in the general education class all day with support pushing in as determined by IEP hours. That is the LRE. I taught the inclusion class for years and loved it. I did my best teaching when I had a special education co-teacher in the room with me.

It is not inclusion if they are grouped together in one class. A classroom that has a special Ed co-teacher is a great set up, but it is not inclusion- it is team taught. Team taught is more inclusive than other more segregated environments, but it is not full inclusion. In the set up of having the students with IEPs grouped in one or two classes, means that they are excluded from the classes with no students with IEPs.

A student with an IEP literally cannot be in a class with no IEPs, because they, themselves, have an IEP and are part of the class, thus making it a class with students who have IEPs.