I disagree with Rowling on trans-issues *and* I think Rowling's critics are dishonest

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Anonymous wrote:Hyperbole is common for this situation. I saw someone on Instagram declaring that Bethany Hamilton was transphobic when what she actually said was that she didn’t agree with World Surf League rules allowing trans women to compete in female divisions. That is not the same thing as being transphobic.

FWIW I think JK has dug her heels too far into the trans issue and I don’t necessarily agree with her on it, but I’m not surprised at all that the internet is taking it wildly out of context.

+1. Although I will also say that Rowling has done herself no favors by aligning herself with people who transphobic, such as Matt Walsh (who also happens to be a racist and misogynist).

There'es really no one else left who is willing to speak for women. You can say that she's aligned herself with bad people - but all the "good" people are only willing to speak in favor of transwomen, not women.

FWIW, I have friends who say the same thing, that JKR is bad and wrong because she retweets stuff from bad people. But who else is speaking for women? Who else should JKR retweet? And what does that say about the good people?

The bolded is just an indication that this is another example of right wing manufactured outrage. Twitter is not real life. And if you want to "speak for women" then you probably shouldn't praise someone who actually hates them.

JKR getting dropped from Hogwarts, banned from mention, etc. are just manufactured outrage?

I'm not sure she, or any of the Harry Potter stars who are awkwardly trying to distance themselves from her, would agree with you.

Hogwarts isn't a real school....

Hogwarts Legacy, not the fictional school.

That game is wildly successful. Trans people are so powerful.

The reviews have been pretty lackluster. Yet again, reviewers have a different opinion than players.

It's literally the top game and busting records. So again, stop making it sound like transgender people are so powerful. Most people literally don't care about trans people. Most don't even know a single transgender person.

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England’s transphobia is worse than America. I don’t know why this is suddenly a thing. Trans people are such a tiny percentage of the population! I am talking just transgender folks, not drag queens which is an entirely different thing. It makes me very sad that there is so much vitriol these days towards trans people. I grew up with someone who is trans. She is just a lovely person. She is very kind and wouldn’t hurt anyone. I knew her when she was a child. When I told my Republican mother that he was transitioning to a woman, my mom said, “oh it all makes sense!” My mom knew him in grade school and could sense there was something up. Many people are making decisions for others that they don’t even know! They fear something they know nothing about!

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Anonymous wrote:England’s transphobia is worse than America. I don’t know why this is suddenly a thing. Trans people are such a tiny percentage of the population! I am talking just transgender folks, not drag queens which is an entirely different thing. It makes me very sad that there is so much vitriol these days towards trans people. I grew up with someone who is trans. She is just a lovely person. She is very kind and wouldn’t hurt anyone. I knew her when she was a child. When I told my Republican mother that he was transitioning to a woman, my mom said, “oh it all makes sense!” My mom knew him in grade school and could sense there was something up. Many people are making decisions for others that they don’t even know! They fear something they know nothing about!

I have a child with ASD and depression and I am fearful of a gender clinic convincing them to change their gender.

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Anonymous wrote:England’s transphobia is worse than America. I don’t know why this is suddenly a thing. Trans people are such a tiny percentage of the population! I am talking just transgender folks, not drag queens which is an entirely different thing. It makes me very sad that there is so much vitriol these days towards trans people. I grew up with someone who is trans. She is just a lovely person. She is very kind and wouldn’t hurt anyone. I knew her when she was a child. When I told my Republican mother that he was transitioning to a woman, my mom said, “oh it all makes sense!” My mom knew him in grade school and could sense there was something up. Many people are making decisions for others that they don’t even know! They fear something they know nothing about!

I have a child with ASD and depression and I am fearful of a gender clinic convincing them to change their gender.

New pp here. This is SO CONFUSING. The only way a child can go to a "gender clinic" is if YOU take them to it. Unless they're an adult in which case you really can't control what they do. As an adult, you have to seek out this care. It doesn't come to you. You aren't "being convinced" you're trans. You're convincing a doctor you are in order to receive hormones. Your idea of how this works is really weird.

While autism is more common in the trans community than the population as a whole, the vast majority of autistic people are cisgender. The odds go up from something like .6% to 1%. The chances of your kid being cis are like 99%. The Republican fear factory has worked.

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Anonymous wrote:England’s transphobia is worse than America. I don’t know why this is suddenly a thing. Trans people are such a tiny percentage of the population! I am talking just transgender folks, not drag queens which is an entirely different thing. It makes me very sad that there is so much vitriol these days towards trans people. I grew up with someone who is trans. She is just a lovely person. She is very kind and wouldn’t hurt anyone. I knew her when she was a child. When I told my Republican mother that he was transitioning to a woman, my mom said, “oh it all makes sense!” My mom knew him in grade school and could sense there was something up. Many people are making decisions for others that they don’t even know! They fear something they know nothing about!

I can tell you exactly why it’s a thing. Because you can only scream at and vilify people for so long for caring about their rights too before people have had enough. Particularly in this country where we are programmed as a society to care about our rights.

I could see this backlash coming a year or two ago. When I myself was going from fully supportive to sick of being crucified if I disagreed with any minute detail of transactivism. It is my right to feel that a transwoman’s rights do not trump every other person’s rights in that sports competition. Particularly when anyone with half a brain knows that natal male physical structure makes them faster, stronger and have more endurance than natal women’s bodies. Otherwise there wouldn’t be separate men’s and women’s sports competitions. And they still have all of the added speed, strength and endurance even though they’ve taken hormones and have changed sex organs. Why do their rights matter more than every other woman’s rights on that field? Who have invested years of hard work and sacrifice to be in that competition, only for it to be taken by someone who is automatically set up to win? They don’t, which is why I fully support legislation to prevent it. Everyone has choices in life, hard ones to make. If an athlete wants to transition from male to female, it’s a choice of doing it now and exiting the competitions, or competing now and doing the transition later.

The whole transactivism movement was handled badly. What started out positive turned into screaming at anyone who disagreed with anything, telling anyone with a different opinion to any degree that their opinion didn’t matter and the person was a vile bigot. People are only going to listen to that for so long before they hit back.

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Anonymous wrote:England’s transphobia is worse than America. I don’t know why this is suddenly a thing. Trans people are such a tiny percentage of the population! I am talking just transgender folks, not drag queens which is an entirely different thing. It makes me very sad that there is so much vitriol these days towards trans people. I grew up with someone who is trans. She is just a lovely person. She is very kind and wouldn’t hurt anyone. I knew her when she was a child. When I told my Republican mother that he was transitioning to a woman, my mom said, “oh it all makes sense!” My mom knew him in grade school and could sense there was something up. Many people are making decisions for others that they don’t even know! They fear something they know nothing about!

I can tell you exactly why it’s a thing. Because you can only scream at and vilify people for so long for caring about their rights too before people have had enough. Particularly in this country where we are programmed as a society to care about our rights.

I could see this backlash coming a year or two ago. When I myself was going from fully supportive to sick of being crucified if I disagreed with any minute detail of transactivism. It is my right to feel that a transwoman’s rights do not trump every other person’s rights in that sports competition. Particularly when anyone with half a brain knows that natal male physical structure makes them faster, stronger and have more endurance than natal women’s bodies. Otherwise there wouldn’t be separate men’s and women’s sports competitions. And they still have all of the added speed, strength and endurance even though they’ve taken hormones and have changed sex organs. Why do their rights matter more than every other woman’s rights on that field? Who have invested years of hard work and sacrifice to be in that competition, only for it to be taken by someone who is automatically set up to win? They don’t, which is why I fully support legislation to prevent it. Everyone has choices in life, hard ones to make. If an athlete wants to transition from male to female, it’s a choice of doing it now and exiting the competitions, or competing now and doing the transition later.

The whole transactivism movement was handled badly. What started out positive turned into screaming at anyone who disagreed with anything, telling anyone with a different opinion to any degree that their opinion didn’t matter and the person was a vile bigot. People are only going to listen to that for so long before they hit back.

If you want to ban trans women in sports and people under 18 from receiving surgery that's fine. But I think you're being a little too sympathetic to the anti-transactivists. It's been more than a year or two. I assume you were living in the US in 2016 when NC was passing bathroom bills? that was 6.5 years ago.

It's the bathroom bills that largely failed that prompted transgender men to post pictures like this on twitter. This didn't start a year or two ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Figures OP is a man. I believe people should have a right to transition and everyone should be treated with respect.

However, scenarios JK Rowlings warned about are now occurring. It’s wrong to put a biological male rapist who still has a penis is a woman’s jail just because after he was arrested he suddenly decided to declare he was a trans woman. That occurred in Scotland where JKR is from. There are numerous cases in the US now of trans women who are intimidating women in prison. One case where a mentally disabled women end up being sexually abused in prison.

I don’t understand how there isn’t a third option in terms of prisons. Have a women section, a trans section for women who haven’t surgically transitioned, and a mens section. Why is it always women who have to concede and make nice. There are cases where sex offenders are going to women’s locker rooms and spas and by saying they are trans they get to watch naked women and girls and show their genitalia. There aren’t many cases but there are enough that it is concerning. There has to be a middle ground.

Please list what it is JK Rowlings said that is so disrespectful.

Has anyone heard of trans men who insist on staying in the male section of prisons?

The whole prison thing - seems to me that you can "identify" however you want. If you have a penis, you remain in the men's prison.

Want to go to the women's prison, you have to have completed the transition. Not at taxpayer expense, either.

Do you somehow think a predatory rapist who has “completed the transition” is less likely to rape?

They are not going to complete the transition. They are going into the womens prisons to rape.

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Anonymous wrote:England’s transphobia is worse than America. I don’t know why this is suddenly a thing. Trans people are such a tiny percentage of the population! I am talking just transgender folks, not drag queens which is an entirely different thing. It makes me very sad that there is so much vitriol these days towards trans people. I grew up with someone who is trans. She is just a lovely person. She is very kind and wouldn’t hurt anyone. I knew her when she was a child. When I told my Republican mother that he was transitioning to a woman, my mom said, “oh it all makes sense!” My mom knew him in grade school and could sense there was something up. Many people are making decisions for others that they don’t even know! They fear something they know nothing about!

I have a child with ASD and depression and I am fearful of a gender clinic convincing them to change their gender.

You should be. This is what happened to mine.

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Anonymous wrote:England’s transphobia is worse than America. I don’t know why this is suddenly a thing. Trans people are such a tiny percentage of the population! I am talking just transgender folks, not drag queens which is an entirely different thing. It makes me very sad that there is so much vitriol these days towards trans people. I grew up with someone who is trans. She is just a lovely person. She is very kind and wouldn’t hurt anyone. I knew her when she was a child. When I told my Republican mother that he was transitioning to a woman, my mom said, “oh it all makes sense!” My mom knew him in grade school and could sense there was something up. Many people are making decisions for others that they don’t even know! They fear something they know nothing about!

I have a child with ASD and depression and I am fearful of a gender clinic convincing them to change their gender.

You should be. This is what happened to mine.

I know one that has become convinced "they" are trans. Not through a gender clinic, but from the internet. I guess it gives them hope, and so maybe it is not all bad. But I worry what will happen when they realize this is not a magic cure.

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Anonymous wrote:England’s transphobia is worse than America. I don’t know why this is suddenly a thing. Trans people are such a tiny percentage of the population! I am talking just transgender folks, not drag queens which is an entirely different thing. It makes me very sad that there is so much vitriol these days towards trans people. I grew up with someone who is trans. She is just a lovely person. She is very kind and wouldn’t hurt anyone. I knew her when she was a child. When I told my Republican mother that he was transitioning to a woman, my mom said, “oh it all makes sense!” My mom knew him in grade school and could sense there was something up. Many people are making decisions for others that they don’t even know! They fear something they know nothing about!

I have a child with ASD and depression and I am fearful of a gender clinic convincing them to change their gender.

You should be. This is what happened to mine.

I know one that has become convinced "they" are trans. Not through a gender clinic, but from the internet. I guess it gives them hope, and so maybe it is not all bad. But I worry what will happen when they realize this is not a magic cure.

Do they have gender dysphoria?

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Anonymous wrote:Figures OP is a man. I believe people should have a right to transition and everyone should be treated with respect.

However, scenarios JK Rowlings warned about are now occurring. It’s wrong to put a biological male rapist who still has a penis is a woman’s jail just because after he was arrested he suddenly decided to declare he was a trans woman. That occurred in Scotland where JKR is from. There are numerous cases in the US now of trans women who are intimidating women in prison. One case where a mentally disabled women end up being sexually abused in prison.

I don’t understand how there isn’t a third option in terms of prisons. Have a women section, a trans section for women who haven’t surgically transitioned, and a mens section. Why is it always women who have to concede and make nice. There are cases where sex offenders are going to women’s locker rooms and spas and by saying they are trans they get to watch naked women and girls and show their genitalia. There aren’t many cases but there are enough that it is concerning. There has to be a middle ground.

Please list what it is JK Rowlings said that is so disrespectful.

Has anyone heard of trans men who insist on staying in the male section of prisons?

Yes,

The whole prison thing - seems to me that you can "identify" however you want. If you have a penis, you remain in the men's prison.

Want to go to the women's prison, you have to have completed the transition. Not at taxpayer expense, either.

Do you somehow think a predatory rapist who has “completed the transition” is less likely to rape?

He would no longer have a penis so he'd have to penetrate me with something else. He'd have to be willing to give up his usual weapon of choice - his penis - to get into a women's prison. So yes, I think it would make it harder for him to rape me.

That’s not true at all. In many states the law says they only have to identify as female to get into female prisons. No surgery required. That’s how a transwoman in a NJ prison managed to get two female inmates pregnant.

Yes, I know that is true. I'm talking about how it SHOULD be. No penises in women's prisons (except maybe guards).

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Anonymous wrote:Figures OP is a man. I believe people should have a right to transition and everyone should be treated with respect.

However, scenarios JK Rowlings warned about are now occurring. It’s wrong to put a biological male rapist who still has a penis is a woman’s jail just because after he was arrested he suddenly decided to declare he was a trans woman. That occurred in Scotland where JKR is from. There are numerous cases in the US now of trans women who are intimidating women in prison. One case where a mentally disabled women end up being sexually abused in prison.

I don’t understand how there isn’t a third option in terms of prisons. Have a women section, a trans section for women who haven’t surgically transitioned, and a mens section. Why is it always women who have to concede and make nice. There are cases where sex offenders are going to women’s locker rooms and spas and by saying they are trans they get to watch naked women and girls and show their genitalia. There aren’t many cases but there are enough that it is concerning. There has to be a middle ground.

Please list what it is JK Rowlings said that is so disrespectful.

Has anyone heard of trans men who insist on staying in the male section of prisons?

Yes,

The whole prison thing - seems to me that you can "identify" however you want. If you have a penis, you remain in the men's prison.

Want to go to the women's prison, you have to have completed the transition. Not at taxpayer expense, either.

Do you somehow think a predatory rapist who has “completed the transition” is less likely to rape?

He would no longer have a penis so he'd have to penetrate me with something else. He'd have to be willing to give up his usual weapon of choice - his penis - to get into a women's prison. So yes, I think it would make it harder for him to rape me.

That’s not true at all. In many states the law says they only have to identify as female to get into female prisons. No surgery required. That’s how a transwoman in a NJ prison managed to get two female inmates pregnant.

Yes, I know that is true. I'm talking about how it SHOULD be. No penises in women's prisons (except maybe guards).

So then good thing you live in the DMV since that isn’t the law here. Right?

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Anonymous wrote:Figures OP is a man. I believe people should have a right to transition and everyone should be treated with respect.

However, scenarios JK Rowlings warned about are now occurring. It’s wrong to put a biological male rapist who still has a penis is a woman’s jail just because after he was arrested he suddenly decided to declare he was a trans woman. That occurred in Scotland where JKR is from. There are numerous cases in the US now of trans women who are intimidating women in prison. One case where a mentally disabled women end up being sexually abused in prison.

I don’t understand how there isn’t a third option in terms of prisons. Have a women section, a trans section for women who haven’t surgically transitioned, and a mens section. Why is it always women who have to concede and make nice. There are cases where sex offenders are going to women’s locker rooms and spas and by saying they are trans they get to watch naked women and girls and show their genitalia. There aren’t many cases but there are enough that it is concerning. There has to be a middle ground.

Please list what it is JK Rowlings said that is so disrespectful.

Has anyone heard of trans men who insist on staying in the male section of prisons?

Yes,

The whole prison thing - seems to me that you can "identify" however you want. If you have a penis, you remain in the men's prison.

Want to go to the women's prison, you have to have completed the transition. Not at taxpayer expense, either.

Do you somehow think a predatory rapist who has “completed the transition” is less likely to rape?

He would no longer have a penis so he'd have to penetrate me with something else. He'd have to be willing to give up his usual weapon of choice - his penis - to get into a women's prison. So yes, I think it would make it harder for him to rape me.

That’s not true at all. In many states the law says they only have to identify as female to get into female prisons. No surgery required. That’s how a transwoman in a NJ prison managed to get two female inmates pregnant.

Yes, I know that is true. I'm talking about how it SHOULD be. No penises in women's prisons (except maybe guards).

So then good thing you live in the DMV since that isn’t the law here. Right?

Not for a lack of trying. Maryland democrats attempted to make it the law last year but it didn’t make it out of committee.

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Anonymous wrote:Hyperbole is common for this situation. I saw someone on Instagram declaring that Bethany Hamilton was transphobic when what she actually said was that she didn’t agree with World Surf League rules allowing trans women to compete in female divisions. That is not the same thing as being transphobic.

FWIW I think JK has dug her heels too far into the trans issue and I don’t necessarily agree with her on it, but I’m not surprised at all that the internet is taking it wildly out of context.

+1. Although I will also say that Rowling has done herself no favors by aligning herself with people who transphobic, such as Matt Walsh (who also happens to be a racist and misogynist).

There'es really no one else left who is willing to speak for women. You can say that she's aligned herself with bad people - but all the "good" people are only willing to speak in favor of transwomen, not women.

FWIW, I have friends who say the same thing, that JKR is bad and wrong because she retweets stuff from bad people. But who else is speaking for women? Who else should JKR retweet? And what does that say about the good people?

Exactly. She is the only person with a platform
Who is speaking up for women. The only one. It’s a damn shame that others have been frightened to remain silent.

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Anonymous wrote:England’s transphobia is worse than America. I don’t know why this is suddenly a thing. Trans people are such a tiny percentage of the population! I am talking just transgender folks, not drag queens which is an entirely different thing. It makes me very sad that there is so much vitriol these days towards trans people. I grew up with someone who is trans. She is just a lovely person. She is very kind and wouldn’t hurt anyone. I knew her when she was a child. When I told my Republican mother that he was transitioning to a woman, my mom said, “oh it all makes sense!” My mom knew him in grade school and could sense there was something up. Many people are making decisions for others that they don’t even know! They fear something they know nothing about!

I have a child with ASD and depression and I am fearful of a gender clinic convincing them to change their gender.

You should be. This is what happened to mine.

I know one that has become convinced "they" are trans. Not through a gender clinic, but from the internet. I guess it gives them hope, and so maybe it is not all bad. But I worry what will happen when they realize this is not a magic cure.

Do they have gender dysphoria?

It is hard to tell. They never used to express this at all. They do not claim they have felt this all their life. They just now say that their problems are due to being trans.