High School Boys Struggling at our Big 3

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Anonymous wrote:That’s what you get at GDS….. send your kid to STA where they are taught to be proud of who they are and they can be successful.

When I read OP’s post the first thing that popped up in my mind was “this has got to be GDS”.

I don’t know if it actually is but whatever school is teaching this way is not engaging in thoughtful discussion or critical thinking for the students. Some institutions seem to have confused conviction with conversation.

I initially thought that too, but OP made a point of mentioning that it was a "Big 3" school, so it obviously can't be GDS.

lol - you got me. Yes it is GDS

GDS has ironically gotten completely out of touch with the gender curriculum in pursuit of being in touch. I am genuinely unclear if they are the best of the best of the worst of the worst in regards to what is going on in our country and education right now.

They are the worst on this topic in the DC area, by far.

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Anonymous wrote:If you have a white male child, why would you ever send him to a school that makes them feel “white guilt” or they are a “male oppressor” as a 14 year old boy! All you parents that send your kids to these woke schools deserve what you are getting!

I send my white male child to a school that is explicitly pro-equity and inclusion. He doesn't feel white guilt. Why should he feel guilty about learning about systemic racism? He didn't create it! And he sure as heck doesn't want to be a part of it. He chooses to be part of the solution, not stick his head in the sand. He feels courageous and helpful and kind, not guilty. And no, he doesn't feel like a "male oppressor." He feels like a young man who sees women as equals, and recognizes that men AND women have been dealt a crappy hand by sexism. He sees what a limited range of emotions his dad was allowed to feel growing up, and how he is now teaching his dad how to be a more open and emotionally aware man. Its really sweet, and they really adore each other. And he sees that women have been excluded from power for oh, the last thousand years or so, and that correcting that may take a minute.

There is no guilt, no shame, and no disempowerment in any of that. I find it so odd that people think that recognizing oppression means you have to identify with the oppressors just because you happen to share their skin color or gender. Why would you do that?

That’s nice and good for him. But unfortunately regardless of how he feels, he will be judged by others and UMR as part of the problem. He will never be accepted and always looked negatively at for having white privilege. Your son will have to constantly virtue signal to fit in and will still be seen a part of the problem no matter how much he feels he is not.

At my college they had segregated classes for DEI. UMR where in one session and all “Whites” were in another section called “Unpacking Whitenss”. You can guess the school as is in the Boston area… basically the Unpacking whistles class basically taught that all whites are oppressors, have white privileged, and everything we do is destructive to society. And historical bad deeds we did are the root problem. Funny as I was born In another country and had nothing to do with systemic racism here.

In addition, being Jewish I’m am also listed as an “oppressed” class but since I’m white, I’m also and oppressor? Hmmmm

And coming from a former Soviet republic, being Jewish you were discriminated on a daily basis.

You could really benefit from the GDS curriculum, not just intellectually but emotionally, if you were willing to listen with an open mind.

You, PP, from your leafy suburban home in Bethesda, are really a piece of work.

You are telling a Jewish person who immigrated from a former Soviet republic that s/he could benefit from the GDS curriculum??? Please tell us more, since you appear to believe you know more about the topic of oppression than this person who actually experienced it does.

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I would never leave my child in such an environment.

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Anonymous wrote:We are liberal democrats who chose STA for this reason. We wanted academics, not politics.

+1 agree

We are also liberal Democrats, and STA is less crazy than GDS or Sidwell. Let’s not pretend it’s a politically neutral paradise tho. STA has MAGAts and CCC stasi who are barely kept in check.

The school itself is apolitical. That's what we care about.

Ha. No.

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Well toxic masculinity is probably the #2 problem the #1 problem is men not knowing how to be men and falling into the toxic masculinity BS all over social and the lack of be able to/needing to build relationships because of OLD sites.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TAgUHyXr7_Y

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Anonymous wrote:Well toxic masculinity is probably the #2 problem the #1 problem is men not knowing how to be men and falling into the toxic masculinity BS all over social and the lack of be able to/needing to build relationships because of OLD sites.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TAgUHyXr7_Y

Your problem is being unintelligible.

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As a male, I agree that toxic masculinity is the root problem in our country and world. You can really attribute about 95% of the world's problems to about 800 people in power, almost all of them male.

Other than dealing with natural disasters, there is simply no reason for wars and strife we are seeing.

I suppose people on the right may disagree with the assessment, but it is my opinion and I don't disagree with the premise writ large.

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Anonymous wrote:If you have a white male child, why would you ever send him to a school that makes them feel “white guilt” or they are a “male oppressor” as a 14 year old boy! All you parents that send your kids to these woke schools deserve what you are getting!

I send my white male child to a school that is explicitly pro-equity and inclusion. He doesn't feel white guilt. Why should he feel guilty about learning about systemic racism? He didn't create it! And he sure as heck doesn't want to be a part of it. He chooses to be part of the solution, not stick his head in the sand. He feels courageous and helpful and kind, not guilty. And no, he doesn't feel like a "male oppressor." He feels like a young man who sees women as equals, and recognizes that men AND women have been dealt a crappy hand by sexism. He sees what a limited range of emotions his dad was allowed to feel growing up, and how he is now teaching his dad how to be a more open and emotionally aware man. Its really sweet, and they really adore each other. And he sees that women have been excluded from power for oh, the last thousand years or so, and that correcting that may take a minute.

There is no guilt, no shame, and no disempowerment in any of that. I find it so odd that people think that recognizing oppression means you have to identify with the oppressors just because you happen to share their skin color or gender. Why would you do that?

Your son sounds like a great kid but I will point out at least according to op the kids are routinely saying “men shouldn’t be able to [have some desirable or powerful position]” not “toxic, sexist men…” I know what they mean and where they are coming from but op’s kid is a 14 year old at a new school and I’m not surprised that doesn’t feel great to an unsophisticated possibly lonely kid.

It’s very misleading to call listening to peers’ blanket statement attacks and feeling disillusioned unsophisticated.
It’s an accurate feeling and reaction to misguided narrow minded mob mentality.

You really want to teach kids to twist themselves into a pretzel kidding themselves that angry peers “really didn’t mean exactly what they keep saying.” ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whats the Big 3?

Nice deflection.

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Anonymous wrote:If you have a white male child, why would you ever send him to a school that makes them feel “white guilt” or they are a “male oppressor” as a 14 year old boy! All you parents that send your kids to these woke schools deserve what you are getting!

So in otherwords, you support Toxic Masculinity and the world it shapes?

[Anonymous]

But it is a fair point. It’s like complaining the pool is wet. Shocked that they are gambling at GDS.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh the irony! Maybe you can talk to parents of girls or people of color to see how they have endured being made to feel less than productive positive contributors in this country.

EXACTLY

Men are now moving into women's sports - and you dont think there is anything to talk about? Nothing ? Not one thing?
It freaking is toxic.

Yes, telling an individual that they are a less valuable person just because of their gender or race is wrong. Don’t you agree?

Irony right back atcha.

That has nothing to do with athletic competitions or biological advantages. Hyper driving to the personal attacks and accusing others of claiming others are “less valuable person” illogic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you have a white male child, why would you ever send him to a school that makes them feel “white guilt” or they are a “male oppressor” as a 14 year old boy! All you parents that send your kids to these woke schools deserve what you are getting!

I send my white male child to a school that is explicitly pro-equity and inclusion. He doesn't feel white guilt. Why should he feel guilty about learning about systemic racism? He didn't create it! And he sure as heck doesn't want to be a part of it. He chooses to be part of the solution, not stick his head in the sand. He feels courageous and helpful and kind, not guilty. And no, he doesn't feel like a "male oppressor." He feels like a young man who sees women as equals, and recognizes that men AND women have been dealt a crappy hand by sexism. He sees what a limited range of emotions his dad was allowed to feel growing up, and how he is now teaching his dad how to be a more open and emotionally aware man. Its really sweet, and they really adore each other. And he sees that women have been excluded from power for oh, the last thousand years or so, and that correcting that may take a minute.

There is no guilt, no shame, and no disempowerment in any of that. I find it so odd that people think that recognizing oppression means you have to identify with the oppressors just because you happen to share their skin color or gender. Why would you do that?

That’s nice and good for him. But unfortunately regardless of how he feels, he will be judged by others and UMR as part of the problem. He will never be accepted and always looked negatively at for having white privilege. Your son will have to constantly virtue signal to fit in and will still be seen a part of the problem no matter how much he feels he is not.

At my college they had segregated classes for DEI. UMR where in one session and all “Whites” were in another section called “Unpacking Whitenss”. You can guess the school as is in the Boston area… basically the Unpacking whistles class basically taught that all whites are oppressors, have white privileged, and everything we do is destructive to society. And historical bad deeds we did are the root problem. Funny as I was born In another country and had nothing to do with systemic racism here.

In addition, being Jewish I’m am also listed as an “oppressed” class but since I’m white, I’m also and oppressor? Hmmmm

And coming from a former Soviet republic, being Jewish you were discriminated on a daily basis.

This is just false. It is about respect. If white males show the same respect and concern for others and each other, then they will be judged accordingly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The traditionally liberal elite private schools have all become exceedingly woke, everywhere in the US. I'm a graduate of such a school and have watched the school evolve from liberal but open minded to progressive and somewhat open minded to woke and ideological. You must understand that once an institution becomes ideological, there's no changing it. Because it's run and populated by people who believe in the ideology. There is no compromise because how can you compromise on what you think is righteous and just? It's the same mindset behind the editor of the WaPo rambling about moving beyond objectivity to a better.. whatever.

You can complain about the seminar but this thinking will be taught and encouraged by the faculty everywhere in the other classes. Even in once objective subjects like math and science. Ideology, like all ideology, becomes a disease. Eventually, hopefully, it will burn itself out but it won't happen in the next few years. It usually takes decades. New board, new head, new faculty, different parents.

It's for this reason that people like me and many of my old classmates are no longer impressed by fancy name elite schools or colleges that we'd attended and hoped our children would attend. There are other schools, however. You have to decide whether to put up with this thinking and be in an environment where you will be constantly opposed to what the school, the faculty and many if not most students deeply believe in, or simply pull your child out and go elsewhere. There are other options in the DC area that are more balanced and more like what schools were in the past and don't treat objectivity or different viewpoints as a bad word.

"woke" is right wing speak the rest of us refer to as "respect." Replace the word and see how toxic the right is with these critiques.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the topic is fine, but the execution is weak, even toxic. OP, are teachers are failing to guide the discussion and redirect/rephrase the students who are making the inappropriate over-generalizations?

Or the topic is fine and OP's kid is a snowflake.