Better protocols needed to account for classified documents handled by political officials et Al …

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18USC793

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Anonymous wrote:The statue in question is 18 USC 793e--is refusing to give [classified] docs back to the government.

Biden gave them back.

Trump STILL hasn't.

This is really a nothing story.

No. It's about mishandling classified documents and classified information. Try again.

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Part of the problem is that the USA considers way too many documents to be classified. It's very challenging to secure so many. They should classify fewer, to guarantee the security of the really important docs.

And what just happened with Biden seals the deal on any consequences Trump might have received for his utter crap idiocies. The general public won't be able to differentiate between the two cases. No one will go to jail or face any repercussions.

Part of the problem is democrats weaponized the issue and now the dance isn't working.

So a SECOND stash was found at another location? Tell us more.

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Taking classified information out of secure environment is a serious crime. This was done while he was VP. He needs to be impeached and then tried for breaking the law.

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The elephant in the room is that these docs reportedly had to do with China and Ukraine. Hunter had business with both countries. Hunter had access to the Biden center. Hunter needed money. Hunter had a history of bad decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll wait for the investigation. This is too convenient. I want to see security camera footage.

This office was located in a commercial office building downtown with dozens of other unrelated tenants and is available for wedding reception rentals. It has normal housekeeping/custodial staff. I’ve been in the building many times and it is not a secure place. This is really really bad.

All the more reason I’ll wait for the investigation. No one knows how or when they got there.

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The excuses now that the shoe is on the other foot are hilarious. All kinds of twisting to make it no big deal now.

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It's really a problem with politicians/political appointees in general. According to my friends who have clearances, they'd be fired at the least for doing something like this. They also spend all day in a SCIF where their classified stuff wouldn't get mixed up with their personal effects.

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Anonymous wrote:The excuses now that the shoe is on the other foot are hilarious. All kinds of twisting to make it no big deal now.

+1
So predictable.

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Anonymous wrote:1) these files were under lock and key
2) they were marked and reported as soon as they were dsicovered
3) The administeros of the archive opened up the resources to ensure nothing else was amiss
4) there is no allegation that these documents were STOLEN

IOW, the Biden archives handled this properly.

Now, if you want to compare to Trump, be my guest.

Under lock and key - as opposed to sitting in a random unlocked hallway room that anyone could have had access to, including the numerous known Russian and Chinese spies that have been spotted with free rein at Mar A Lago.

Biden did not have authority to take the documents. Yes, his team follows procedures when the documents were found and that is good. But the fact is that classified documents were in a folder labeled Personal outside a skif and were accessible by random people. The OP is correct. There needs to be a better process for this whole thing.

You don’t know that Biden took them or knew they were in his office. If someone else packed them up in boxes with other papers and then put them in a locked closet, Biden may not have been aware of them.

This just solidifies my point. All classified documents need to be tracked and accounted for. The fact that they are not is scary. I had to turn mine in every night. They were inventoried. That’s at a lower level. What the heck is happening at the upper levels? Apparently they play fast and loose. I cannot believe people here are willing to dismiss this failure on the part of the national records. There is an office there that needs some attention. Maybe the IG needs to investigate.

I agree with you that there ought to be a better system for tracking and collecting classified documents. Some people in this thread (not saying you specifically) don’t seem to appreciate that this kind of thing is not uncommon. A classified document is inadvertently retained, and then is returned once it is discovered. There is a review of the information contained in the document, who may have had access to it, etc., to determine whether any further action should be taken (either with respect to specific people or with respect to potential exposure of the information), and most of the time everyone moves on without major incident. That is particularly the case when the people involved are generally conscientious about document security, as appears to have been the case here since the documents removed apparently were kept locked up even though they were believed to be personal.

IM OP/PP and I don’t disagree. When someone accidentally emails you a classified doc, and you report it, your machine gets taken away and analyzed/scrubbed. Life moves on. But even that is reactionary/passive. Again not saying there should be a lynch mob just bc some classified docs were found and appropriately reported. When a process has numerous problems, a fix is needed. It is not much different than when a software bug pops up. Is critical, aesthetic, etc. I want to know this “bug” gets addressed to prevent/minimize the chances of it happening again — purposely or accidentally.

Correction: should not be a lynch mob. Ugh.

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Anonymous wrote:It's really a problem with politicians/political appointees in general. According to my friends who have clearances, they'd be fired at the least for doing something like this. They also spend all day in a SCIF where their classified stuff wouldn't get mixed up with their personal effects.

How, when and where politicians access classified information needs addressing. -OP

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Anonymous wrote:The elephant in the room is that these docs reportedly had to do with China and Ukraine. Hunter had business with both countries. Hunter had access to the Biden center. Hunter needed money. Hunter had a history of bad decisions.

My guess is Dems in power does not want Biden to run for a second term.

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Anonymous wrote:The excuses now that the shoe is on the other foot are hilarious. All kinds of twisting to make it no big deal now.

I want to see Garland still try to prosecute and jail Trump for this.

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Anonymous wrote:The excuses now that the shoe is on the other foot are hilarious. All kinds of twisting to make it no big deal now.

I want to see Garland still try to prosecute and jail Trump for this.

There is already talk that he’ll have to appoint a special counsel. If this is serious enough that Trump is charged, the it seems like a serious issue to impeach Biden

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This has to take Joe out of the running for ‘24. If it doesn’t, it will when his son is charged this year with tax, gun, and FARA violations. And if Hunter flips on the “Big Guy” to save his own skin, things will get real interesting, real fast.