Better protocols needed to account for classified documents handled by political officials et Al …

[Anonymous]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna65371

^second batch of classified documents found in a new location, reports NBC News

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna65371

^second batch of classified documents found in a new location, reports NBC News

Oooo. Lemme guess. This one also had a lock and key and because it is Biden it’s no big deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) these files were under lock and key
2) they were marked and reported as soon as they were dsicovered
3) The administeros of the archive opened up the resources to ensure nothing else was amiss
4) there is no allegation that these documents were STOLEN

IOW, the Biden archives handled this properly.

Now, if you want to compare to Trump, be my guest.

Under lock and key - as opposed to sitting in a random unlocked hallway room that anyone could have had access to, including the numerous known Russian and Chinese spies that have been spotted with free rein at Mar A Lago.

Biden did not have authority to take the documents. Yes, his team follows procedures when the documents were found and that is good. But the fact is that classified documents were in a folder labeled Personal outside a skif and were accessible by random people. The OP is correct. There needs to be a better process for this whole thing.

Hmm.... Reports are they were in a file marked "Personal."
He knew they were there.

You don’t know that Biden took them or knew they were in his office. If someone else packed them up in boxes with other papers and then put them in a locked closet, Biden may not have been aware of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) these files were under lock and key
2) they were marked and reported as soon as they were dsicovered
3) The administeros of the archive opened up the resources to ensure nothing else was amiss
4) there is no allegation that these documents were STOLEN

IOW, the Biden archives handled this properly.

Now, if you want to compare to Trump, be my guest.

Under lock and key - as opposed to sitting in a random unlocked hallway room that anyone could have had access to, including the numerous known Russian and Chinese spies that have been spotted with free rein at Mar A Lago.

Biden did not have authority to take the documents. Yes, his team follows procedures when the documents were found and that is good. But the fact is that classified documents were in a folder labeled Personal outside a skif and were accessible by random people. The OP is correct. There needs to be a better process for this whole thing.

You don’t know that Biden took them or knew they were in his office. If someone else packed them up in boxes with other papers and then put them in a locked closet, Biden may not have been aware of them.

Hmmmm.... They were reportedly in a file labeled "personal."
He knew they were there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna65371

^second batch of classified documents found in a new location, reports NBC News

Oooo. Lemme guess. This one also had a lock and key and because it is Biden it’s no big deal.

Will Garland appoint a special counsel to investigate this breach?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Part of the problem is that the USA considers way too many documents to be classified. It's very challenging to secure so many. They should classify fewer, to guarantee the security of the really important docs.

And what just happened with Biden seals the deal on any consequences Trump might have received for his utter crap idiocies. The general public won't be able to differentiate between the two cases. No one will go to jail or face any repercussions.

Fine — too many docs are over classified but that’s neither here nor there at this point. If classified top secret when you have them, you can’t say, “these really aren’t worthy of that classification.” You want Trump using that as an excuse?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hilary, Trump, now Biden. Who is the librarian responsible for making sure documents particularly paper ones are returned. If Joe-schmoe government employee had docs at home, they’d be in deep trouble. What the heck??

I don’t know who that person is, but I’m glad I’m not the only one who sees a process problem.

It’s a satire account.

No kidding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) these files were under lock and key
2) they were marked and reported as soon as they were dsicovered
3) The administeros of the archive opened up the resources to ensure nothing else was amiss
4) there is no allegation that these documents were STOLEN

IOW, the Biden archives handled this properly.

Now, if you want to compare to Trump, be my guest.

Under lock and key - as opposed to sitting in a random unlocked hallway room that anyone could have had access to, including the numerous known Russian and Chinese spies that have been spotted with free rein at Mar A Lago.

Biden did not have authority to take the documents. Yes, his team follows procedures when the documents were found and that is good. But the fact is that classified documents were in a folder labeled Personal outside a skif and were accessible by random people. The OP is correct. There needs to be a better process for this whole thing.

You don’t know that Biden took them or knew they were in his office. If someone else packed them up in boxes with other papers and then put them in a locked closet, Biden may not have been aware of them.

This just solidifies my point. All classified documents need to be tracked and accounted for. The fact that they are not is scary. I had to turn mine in every night. They were inventoried. That’s at a lower level. What the heck is happening at the upper levels? Apparently they play fast and loose. I cannot believe people here are willing to dismiss this failure on the part of the national records. There is an office there that needs some attention. Maybe the IG needs to investigate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) these files were under lock and key
2) they were marked and reported as soon as they were dsicovered
3) The administeros of the archive opened up the resources to ensure nothing else was amiss
4) there is no allegation that these documents were STOLEN

IOW, the Biden archives handled this properly.

Now, if you want to compare to Trump, be my guest.

Under lock and key - as opposed to sitting in a random unlocked hallway room that anyone could have had access to, including the numerous known Russian and Chinese spies that have been spotted with free rein at Mar A Lago.

Biden did not have authority to take the documents. Yes, his team follows procedures when the documents were found and that is good. But the fact is that classified documents were in a folder labeled Personal outside a skif and were accessible by random people. The OP is correct. There needs to be a better process for this whole thing.

You don’t know that Biden took them or knew they were in his office. If someone else packed them up in boxes with other papers and then put them in a locked closet, Biden may not have been aware of them.

This just solidifies my point. All classified documents need to be tracked and accounted for. The fact that they are not is scary. I had to turn mine in every night. They were inventoried. That’s at a lower level. What the heck is happening at the upper levels? Apparently they play fast and loose. I cannot believe people here are willing to dismiss this failure on the part of the national records. There is an office there that needs some attention. Maybe the IG needs to investigate.

I agree with you that there ought to be a better system for tracking and collecting classified documents. Some people in this thread (not saying you specifically) don’t seem to appreciate that this kind of thing is not uncommon. A classified document is inadvertently retained, and then is returned once it is discovered. There is a review of the information contained in the document, who may have had access to it, etc., to determine whether any further action should be taken (either with respect to specific people or with respect to potential exposure of the information), and most of the time everyone moves on without major incident. That is particularly the case when the people involved are generally conscientious about document security, as appears to have been the case here since the documents removed apparently were kept locked up even though they were believed to be personal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) these files were under lock and key
2) they were marked and reported as soon as they were dsicovered
3) The administeros of the archive opened up the resources to ensure nothing else was amiss
4) there is no allegation that these documents were STOLEN

IOW, the Biden archives handled this properly.

Now, if you want to compare to Trump, be my guest.

Under lock and key - as opposed to sitting in a random unlocked hallway room that anyone could have had access to, including the numerous known Russian and Chinese spies that have been spotted with free rein at Mar A Lago.

Biden did not have authority to take the documents. Yes, his team follows procedures when the documents were found and that is good. But the fact is that classified documents were in a folder labeled Personal outside a skif and were accessible by random people. The OP is correct. There needs to be a better process for this whole thing.

You don’t know that Biden took them or knew they were in his office. If someone else packed them up in boxes with other papers and then put them in a locked closet, Biden may not have been aware of them.

Hmmmm.... They were reportedly in a file labeled "personal."
He knew they were there.

The personal documents they reportedly were mixed with related to Beau Biden’s death and funeral, which happened in 2015. It’s entirely possible Biden has not touched those boxes since they were moved in 2016/2017.

I don’t want to derail this into a discussion of the other guy, but I think there’s a useful comparison point here. As you may recall, there was significant discussion following the MAL warrant about how the personal effects found with the classified documents in Trump’s office were potentially significant evidence because what they were, when they were dated, whether they were recently used, etc., may indicate when Trump might have last seen the documents to be aware he had them. If they were mixed with documents from 2018 and locked in a back cabinet, it was plausible that Trump might not have been aware he had them. If they were in a desk drawer mixed with documents from two weeks before the warrant execution, it was far more likely Trump was aware he had the documents. The same type of analysis applies to Biden and these documents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Part of the problem is that the USA considers way too many documents to be classified. It's very challenging to secure so many. They should classify fewer, to guarantee the security of the really important docs.

And what just happened with Biden seals the deal on any consequences Trump might have received for his utter crap idiocies. The general public won't be able to differentiate between the two cases. No one will go to jail or face any repercussions.

Fine — too many docs are over classified but that’s neither here nor there at this point. If classified top secret when you have them, you can’t say, “these really aren’t worthy of that classification.” You want Trump using that as an excuse?

He’s already doing that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna65371

^second batch of classified documents found in a new location, reports NBC News

Oooo. Lemme guess. This one also had a lock and key and because it is Biden it’s no big deal.

Look Jack, the adults are back in charge.

[Anonymous]

I’ll wait for the investigation. This is too convenient. I want to see security camera footage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ll wait for the investigation. This is too convenient. I want to see security camera footage.

This office was located in a commercial office building downtown with dozens of other unrelated tenants and is available for wedding reception rentals. It has normal housekeeping/custodial staff. I’ve been in the building many times and it is not a secure place. This is really really bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) these files were under lock and key
2) they were marked and reported as soon as they were dsicovered
3) The administeros of the archive opened up the resources to ensure nothing else was amiss
4) there is no allegation that these documents were STOLEN

IOW, the Biden archives handled this properly.

Now, if you want to compare to Trump, be my guest.

Under lock and key - as opposed to sitting in a random unlocked hallway room that anyone could have had access to, including the numerous known Russian and Chinese spies that have been spotted with free rein at Mar A Lago.

Biden did not have authority to take the documents. Yes, his team follows procedures when the documents were found and that is good. But the fact is that classified documents were in a folder labeled Personal outside a skif and were accessible by random people. The OP is correct. There needs to be a better process for this whole thing.

You don’t know that Biden took them or knew they were in his office. If someone else packed them up in boxes with other papers and then put them in a locked closet, Biden may not have been aware of them.

This just solidifies my point. All classified documents need to be tracked and accounted for. The fact that they are not is scary. I had to turn mine in every night. They were inventoried. That’s at a lower level. What the heck is happening at the upper levels? Apparently they play fast and loose. I cannot believe people here are willing to dismiss this failure on the part of the national records. There is an office there that needs some attention. Maybe the IG needs to investigate.

I agree with you that there ought to be a better system for tracking and collecting classified documents. Some people in this thread (not saying you specifically) don’t seem to appreciate that this kind of thing is not uncommon. A classified document is inadvertently retained, and then is returned once it is discovered. There is a review of the information contained in the document, who may have had access to it, etc., to determine whether any further action should be taken (either with respect to specific people or with respect to potential exposure of the information), and most of the time everyone moves on without major incident. That is particularly the case when the people involved are generally conscientious about document security, as appears to have been the case here since the documents removed apparently were kept locked up even though they were believed to be personal.

IM OP/PP and I don’t disagree. When someone accidentally emails you a classified doc, and you report it, your machine gets taken away and analyzed/scrubbed. Life moves on. But even that is reactionary/passive. Again not saying there should be a lynch mob just bc some classified docs were found and appropriately reported. When a process has numerous problems, a fix is needed. It is not much different than when a software bug pops up. Is critical, aesthetic, etc. I want to know this “bug” gets addressed to prevent/minimize the chances of it happening again — purposely or accidentally.