Better protocols needed to account for classified documents handled by political officials et Al …

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Anonymous wrote:The excuses now that the shoe is on the other foot are hilarious. All kinds of twisting to make it no big deal now.

I want to see Garland still try to prosecute and jail Trump for this.

There is already talk that he’ll have to appoint a special counsel. If this is serious enough that Trump is charged, the it seems like a serious issue to impeach Biden

They will back down on prosecuting Trump

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Genius move. Making way for younger blood Dem candidate AND setting up conflict betwixt Trump and DeSantis.

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There is already talk that he’ll have to appoint a special counsel. If this is serious enough that Trump is charged, the it seems like a serious issue to impeach Biden

Or maybe Trump will just be charged with obstruction, which there is no evidence that Biden committed but ample evidence that Trump did. It's all about intent.

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Anonymous wrote:This has to take Joe out of the running for ‘24. If it doesn’t, it will when his son is charged this year with tax, gun, and FARA violations. And if Hunter flips on the “Big Guy” to save his own skin, things will get real interesting, real fast.

No he is the president and therefore has state immunity. He can do whatever he wants.

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There is already talk that he’ll have to appoint a special counsel. If this is serious enough that Trump is charged, the it seems like a serious issue to impeach Biden

Or maybe Trump will just be charged with obstruction, which there is no evidence that Biden committed but ample evidence that Trump did. It's all about intent.

Difference is Trump had authority to declassify documents. Biden didn't.

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Anonymous wrote:1) these files were under lock and key
2) they were marked and reported as soon as they were dsicovered
3) The administeros of the archive opened up the resources to ensure nothing else was amiss
4) there is no allegation that these documents were STOLEN

IOW, the Biden archives handled this properly.

Now, if you want to compare to Trump, be my guest.

Under lock and key - as opposed to sitting in a random unlocked hallway room that anyone could have had access to, including the numerous known Russian and Chinese spies that have been spotted with free rein at Mar A Lago.

Biden did not have authority to take the documents. Yes, his team follows procedures when the documents were found and that is good. But the fact is that classified documents were in a folder labeled Personal outside a skif and were accessible by random people. The OP is correct. There needs to be a better process for this whole thing.

You don’t know that Biden took them or knew they were in his office. If someone else packed them up in boxes with other papers and then put them in a locked closet, Biden may not have been aware of them.

This just solidifies my point. All classified documents need to be tracked and accounted for. The fact that they are not is scary. I had to turn mine in every night. They were inventoried. That’s at a lower level. What the heck is happening at the upper levels? Apparently they play fast and loose. I cannot believe people here are willing to dismiss this failure on the part of the national records. There is an office there that needs some attention. Maybe the IG needs to investigate.

I agree with you that there ought to be a better system for tracking and collecting classified documents. Some people in this thread (not saying you specifically) don’t seem to appreciate that this kind of thing is not uncommon. A classified document is inadvertently retained, and then is returned once it is discovered. There is a review of the information contained in the document, who may have had access to it, etc., to determine whether any further action should be taken (either with respect to specific people or with respect to potential exposure of the information), and most of the time everyone moves on without major incident. That is particularly the case when the people involved are generally conscientious about document security, as appears to have been the case here since the documents removed apparently were kept locked up even though they were believed to be personal.

IM OP/PP and I don’t disagree. When someone accidentally emails you a classified doc, and you report it, your machine gets taken away and analyzed/scrubbed. Life moves on. But even that is reactionary/passive. Again not saying there should be a lynch mob just bc some classified docs were found and appropriately reported. When a process has numerous problems, a fix is needed. It is not much different than when a software bug pops up. Is critical, aesthetic, etc. I want to know this “bug” gets addressed to prevent/minimize the chances of it happening again — purposely or accidentally.

Of course if you were to go to your security office an tell them that you made a little mistake and found some classified documents in office space that you rent, and then you found a few more somewhere else, you'd be going to jail.

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Anonymous wrote:This has to take Joe out of the running for ‘24. If it doesn’t, it will when his son is charged this year with tax, gun, and FARA violations. And if Hunter flips on the “Big Guy” to save his own skin, things will get real interesting, real fast.

No he is the president and therefore has state immunity. He can do whatever he wants.

LOL. My, how the view of a president's immunity changes in just over 2 short years.

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There is already talk that he’ll have to appoint a special counsel. If this is serious enough that Trump is charged, the it seems like a serious issue to impeach Biden

Or maybe Trump will just be charged with obstruction, which there is no evidence that Biden committed but ample evidence that Trump did. It's all about intent.

Difference is Trump had authority to declassify documents. Biden didn't.

Another difference is that trump wouldn’t give them up without a subpoena and months of resisting - and still kept some so they had to do it again. Biden’s team turned them over on their own and without a fight.

Documents should never be handled so carelessly as either of these situations, but don’t try to pretend they are equal.

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There is already talk that he’ll have to appoint a special counsel. If this is serious enough that Trump is charged, the it seems like a serious issue to impeach Biden

Or maybe Trump will just be charged with obstruction, which there is no evidence that Biden committed but ample evidence that Trump did. It's all about intent.

Difference is Trump had authority to declassify documents. Biden didn't.

But Trump didn't declassify those documents. You can't retroactively declassify documents. There is a process when you are president and he didn't do it.

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Anonymous wrote:The elephant in the room is that these docs reportedly had to do with China and Ukraine. Hunter had business with both countries. Hunter had access to the Biden center. Hunter needed money. Hunter had a history of bad decisions.

My guess is Dems in power does not want Biden to run for a second term.

If that’s true, that is a sh!tty way to do it.

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Anonymous wrote:This has to take Joe out of the running for ‘24. If it doesn’t, it will when his son is charged this year with tax, gun, and FARA violations. And if Hunter flips on the “Big Guy” to save his own skin, things will get real interesting, real fast.

Bless your heart.
Keep your fingers crossed for Durham to come through while you are at it.
😂

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Anonymous wrote:This has to take Joe out of the running for ‘24. If it doesn’t, it will when his son is charged this year with tax, gun, and FARA violations. And if Hunter flips on the “Big Guy” to save his own skin, things will get real interesting, real fast.

Hunter spent his whole life jumping from one job he was unqualified for to the next, but that was based on his last name. When your dad is a senator or vice president, there is no need for them to be involved in getting you the job.

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Anonymous wrote:The statue in question is 18 USC 793e--is refusing to give [classified] docs back to the government.

Biden gave them back.

Trump STILL hasn't.

This is really a nothing story.

No. It's about mishandling classified documents and classified information. Try again.

Oh sure, well Biden can just do what Trump did and proclaim (aka lie) that he unclassified those documents by virtual of simply saying so with his voice without actually doing anything to unclassify them.

If Biden *says* they are unclassified, that ought to be enough, right??

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There is already talk that he’ll have to appoint a special counsel. If this is serious enough that Trump is charged, the it seems like a serious issue to impeach Biden

Or maybe Trump will just be charged with obstruction, which there is no evidence that Biden committed but ample evidence that Trump did. It's all about intent.

Difference is Trump had authority to declassify documents. Biden didn't.

Trump didn’t declassify though. There is a process he must follow.

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Anonymous wrote:This has to take Joe out of the running for ‘24. If it doesn’t, it will when his son is charged this year with tax, gun, and FARA violations. And if Hunter flips on the “Big Guy” to save his own skin, things will get real interesting, real fast.

Hunter spent his whole life jumping from one job he was unqualified for to the next, but that was based on his last name. When your dad is a senator or vice president, there is no need for them to be involved in getting you the job.

Yes, the Trump children are the same.