Has Harry Completely Lost his mind?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m so glad he is calling out the toxic insane life of “the royals”.

I wish ever person treated like sh!t by their family could do the same.

It’s so refreshing after the holidays when so many had to deal with their insane ralatives.

Why is all of this supposed to be in the dark, bring it to the light.

I don't know. Say it to THEM and move on. I'm really against airing every perceived family wrong in public. And, let's face it, everyone in the family has a completely different take on what happened--even when they experienced it together.

My family was happy--but I see now in our 50s my siblings and I differ on some past events and how we interpret them.

It’s the Royals that put it into the public. I’m all for hearing all sides. If the. Ritual press just stopped talking about them it will go away. If they keep putting sh!t out the should put their side out.

Please Charles, camila, William… they’re insane losers.

He’s 38, he’s been in the news since he was born. It great that he can finally get it off his chest.

Except now that he's opened his mouth everyone is questioning his sanity. So, not so great.

Not really. Most people understand.

The great thing about abuse is when the abused (who is clearly dealing with mental illness speaks out) the abusers just say, oh he’s crazy.

It’s straight out of the abusers playbook. So if you want to be played by the abusers, just go along with “oh he’s crazy”.

It’s why many rape victims can’t come forward. They are raped, they suffer from extreme mental illness and you can’t put them on the stand.

Good for him to stand up and take the punches like a champ.

You're living in a bubble. Most people are not understanding. Harry has turned himself into a joke.

Do rape victims out notices on Instagram saying they really want to continue to have s*x with their rapist but also be allowed to have s*x with other people? I mean I’m not trying to be rude just trying to follow your logic given what these two have actually published they would like to have happen.

Rape victims often try to have relationships with their rapist, especially when it is incest.

Don’t apply your non abused logic to those that are abused.

Ok it’s official, only if you’ve been a victim of rape you can comment here

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Anonymous wrote:He's making a living on complaining. It's his chosen profession. He's killing it.

He has to make money somehow. Grandma died with a billion dollar estate and it's all going to a single grandkid.

And his family was getting death threats and the royal family wasn’t willing to pay for security for his kids. Wtf. So he’s banking enough now to cover that.

Wouldn’t his Taliban disclosures increase his security risk (and that of others)?

You would think so. And it's interesting that H is trying to paint W as a violent bully when he's the one dispassionately talking about killing 25 people who were merely chess pieces. He's a sociopath.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m so glad he is calling out the toxic insane life of “the royals”.

I wish ever person treated like sh!t by their family could do the same.

It’s so refreshing after the holidays when so many had to deal with their insane ralatives.

Why is all of this supposed to be in the dark, bring it to the light.

I don't know. Say it to THEM and move on. I'm really against airing every perceived family wrong in public. And, let's face it, everyone in the family has a completely different take on what happened--even when they experienced it together.

My family was happy--but I see now in our 50s my siblings and I differ on some past events and how we interpret them.

It’s the Royals that put it into the public. I’m all for hearing all sides. If the. Ritual press just stopped talking about them it will go away. If they keep putting sh!t out the should put their side out.

Please Charles, camila, William… they’re insane losers.

He’s 38, he’s been in the news since he was born. It great that he can finally get it off his chest.

Except now that he's opened his mouth everyone is questioning his sanity. So, not so great.

Not really. Most people understand.

The great thing about abuse is when the abused (who is clearly dealing with mental illness speaks out) the abusers just say, oh he’s crazy.

It’s straight out of the abusers playbook. So if you want to be played by the abusers, just go along with “oh he’s crazy”.

It’s why many rape victims can’t come forward. They are raped, they suffer from extreme mental illness and you can’t put them on the stand.

Good for him to stand up and take the punches like a champ.

You're living in a bubble. Most people are not understanding. Harry has turned himself into a joke.

Do rape victims out notices on Instagram saying they really want to continue to have s*x with their rapist but also be allowed to have s*x with other people? I mean I’m not trying to be rude just trying to follow your logic given what these two have actually published they would like to have happen.

Rape victims often try to have relationships with their rapist, especially when it is incest.

Don’t apply your non abused logic to those that are abused.

Ok it’s official, only if you’ve been a victim of rape you can comment here

??? Your off your rails or meds.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think he's lost his mind. I think he's just broken free from a jeweled prison. The royal family thought Meghan would give up everything to be one of them and didn't have the perspective that anyone might find their actions unhealthy. And I think having his wife be subjected to the same things that his mother was, and which ultimately caused her death, is very triggering for Harry. The royal family thinks it's all NBD but Harry views it as life or death. And after what happened to his mother, who is to argue with him? I actually respect him a lot for giving it all up for a semblance of a normal life. And I'm glad they're controlling their own narrative rather than letting the British press use misogyny and racism to turn Meghan into a Disney villain.

Again more reason they should have taken their time, but no they had to “hit the ground running”.

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How is what he's doing any different than any other person detailing the dysfunction of their upbringing and family? Tara Westover/Educated? Christina Crawford/Mommy Dearest? Jenny McCurdy/I'm Glad my Mom Died? Jessica Simpson/Open Book? Jeannette Walls/The Glass Castle? There's a sh1tload of books by the children of famous people detailing how difficult their childhoods were because of the dysfunction of their parents. The only thing different in this case is that this book details the dysfunction of the British Royal Family.

I'm no Megan/Harry stan but I've battled through the legacy of my own family dysfunction and can empathize with what he's going through. Had The Firm not used him/Megan as scapegoats, had they not leaked/planted negative stories about them, had they actually listened and behaved as a family should, I have no doubt Harry wouldn't have pushed back like he has.

The person shedding light on dysfunction is usually the one most reviled for it.

https://electricliterature.com/9-tell-all-memoirs-by-the-children-of-celebrities/

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I think they just require A LOT of money. I kind of get it, they need security and staff I suppose.

I’m surprised he couldnt just find a cushy job at Facebook or something but I seem to recall maybe he tried that? I don’t know if anyone wants to pay him $2m/year or whatever it is he needs just to sit there and look cool. So this feels like their only viable option.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m team Harry. The royal family is insufferable. Good for Harry and Megan for taking a bad situation and finding some good. It’s about time the truth is being revealed.

I often come back to this fact:

Before marrying into the royal family, Megan was a successful actress who did tons of charity work in her spare time (like for years and years, it was not something she started doing to attract Harry, it's a genuine passion), she'd started a side business, she had lots of friends. Like if you look at her pre-Harry life, it looks pretty darn functional. Yes, she got married and divorced. But she didn't have kids and that divorce was pretty low drama. She had family strife (I can relate to that) but she seemed to be handling it in healthy ways -- she has a very good relationship with her mom and one of her half sisters, and she was dealing with it well enough to have an otherwise healthy and productive life.

But if you look at Harry's life pre-Megan, you see a TON of red flags and dysfunction. Obviously everything with his parents' marriage and divorce, plus his mom's death and everything that followed. Lots of signs of dysfunction in his relationship with Harry. No truly serious relationships but a couple on again off again things that didn't go anywhere. He doesn't have a healthy, functional relationship with any of his parent figures -- his mom is dead, his dad is extremely repressed and distant (and busy), his grandmother was the queen and not the most nurturing person in the world, his grandfather even less so. It doesn't appear he had or was allowed close relationships with the Spencers. He was not independent at all, and the one period of his life where he was somewhat independent (his military service) involved fighting in a war, which is a traumatic event that can really screw a person up. He has a lot of friends but it's unclear how many are close, true friends -- that world is the sort of predictable set of pre-ordained "friends" that you grow up with and are expected to socialize among and marry into. That's very different that developing a series of friendships with classmates and colleagues and roommates and neighbors over the course of a normal life, as Meghan has.

Megan has led a fairly normal and functional life until meeting Harry and I see most of her decisions since then as an effort to continue to do so despite obstacles posed by his position and family. Megan and their kids are the first normal/healthy relationships Harry has had in his entire life. He is flailing a bit but that's honestly not surprising.

The most questionable life choice Meghan has ever made was marrying Harry -- she could have stayed single, had kids on her own, or maybe found someone else to marry (though tricky due to her age and her job/lifestyle). The best life choice Harry has ever made is marrying Meghan and getting some distance from his messed up family.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it weird to see it play out so publicly, but I do wind up in the camp of: that family is incredibly dysfunctional/toxic, and he sounds like someone grappling with those issues in a relatively healthy way.

I'm from a very dysfunctional family that does not claim to be anointed by god as rulers of an empire, and even despite that difference, I recognize the signs of dysfunction. The difficulties of direct communication of basic needs like affection, the use of a lot of passive-aggressive means of communication or the expectation for family members to just know what certain members (always the people at the top of the family hierarchy, which in the royals is easy to figure out) want or need and give it to them without complaint. There are golden child, scapegoat, and black sheep dynamics. You see a lot of enmeshment with family, especially around decisions like who you will marry and how and when you will have kids, and how they will be raised.

Yes, a lot of this is viewed as a normal part of being in the royal family. Does not make it less dysfunctional! Actually makes it worse because it's a self-reinforcing system that can't be change for argued against. In my own dysfunctional family, things actually are better for some of the the more recent generations because we have found ways to set boundaries and make other choices. It does result in some amount of estrangement (not total estrangement, but strained relationships with certain family members), but it is better for our children and has enabled us to make healthier choices for ourselves. In the royal family, setting those boundaries and making healthier choices gets second guessed not just by the family itself (which includes the monarch of the country you belong to) but also by Parliament and the press. That's insane!

He does not sound crazy to me. I do think having this play out in public may be something he later regrets. I well understand the desire to actually finally achieve clarity on these issues because I know what it's like to deal with gaslighting and passive aggressive communication your entire life and just want it to end. But the public declarations will likely escalate tensions and can't be taken back. Plus they drag in lots of strangers and that can confuse things.

But the actual things he's talking about and saying? Don't sound crazy to me. It sounds healthy. It sounds like he's been brainwashed by dysfunction most of his life and only recently discovered, through is family of choice, what functional, healthy relationships can look like. It takes time to acclimate.

Harry and Megan need money, even if just for security. They have no marketable skills other than her acting. Either they sell all the dirt they have for as much as they can get or the go bust.

Harry has tons of training in etiquette and schmoozing. He could easily raise money for charities or advocate for causes. He's not without skills.

Those are diminishing skills. Ten years down the road, completely detached from the origin of his popularity, do you think anyone would care about him? He'll be another JOhn Doe.

At the brother to the King of England, you think he'll be a nobody? He's rich, well connected and a household name. He'll never be a nobody, even if he tries.

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Anonymous wrote:How is what he's doing any different than any other person detailing the dysfunction of their upbringing and family? Tara Westover/Educated? Christina Crawford/Mommy Dearest? Jenny McCurdy/I'm Glad my Mom Died? Jessica Simpson/Open Book? Jeannette Walls/The Glass Castle? There's a sh1tload of books by the children of famous people detailing how difficult their childhoods were because of the dysfunction of their parents. The only thing different in this case is that this book details the dysfunction of the British Royal Family.

I'm no Megan/Harry stan but I've battled through the legacy of my own family dysfunction and can empathize with what he's going through. Had The Firm not used him/Megan as scapegoats, had they not leaked/planted negative stories about them, had they actually listened and behaved as a family should, I have no doubt Harry wouldn't have pushed back like he has.

The person shedding light on dysfunction is usually the one most reviled for it.

https://electricliterature.com/9-tell-all-memoirs-by-the-children-of-celebrities/

Everyone knows they are dysfunctional. It's been known for centuries. But the petty grievances are not what everyone expected. Frostbite? Dog bowls? Lip gloss? What exactly has he shed light on?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think he's lost his mind. I think he's just broken free from a jeweled prison. The royal family thought Meghan would give up everything to be one of them and didn't have the perspective that anyone might find their actions unhealthy. And I think having his wife be subjected to the same things that his mother was, and which ultimately caused her death, is very triggering for Harry. The royal family thinks it's all NBD but Harry views it as life or death. And after what happened to his mother, who is to argue with him? I actually respect him a lot for giving it all up for a semblance of a normal life. And I'm glad they're controlling their own narrative rather than letting the British press use misogyny and racism to turn Meghan into a Disney villain.

Again more reason they should have taken their time, but no they had to “hit the ground running”.

DP. Take their time on what? They acted when they felt they had to. It may not have been on your timeline but it's not your life. It's theirs and their choice.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m team Harry. The royal family is insufferable. Good for Harry and Megan for taking a bad situation and finding some good. It’s about time the truth is being revealed.

I often come back to this fact:

Before marrying into the royal family, Megan was a successful actress who did tons of charity work in her spare time (like for years and years, it was not something she started doing to attract Harry, it's a genuine passion), she'd started a side business, she had lots of friends. Like if you look at her pre-Harry life, it looks pretty darn functional. Yes, she got married and divorced. But she didn't have kids and that divorce was pretty low drama. She had family strife (I can relate to that) but she seemed to be handling it in healthy ways -- she has a very good relationship with her mom and one of her half sisters, and she was dealing with it well enough to have an otherwise healthy and productive life.

But if you look at Harry's life pre-Megan, you see a TON of red flags and dysfunction. Obviously everything with his parents' marriage and divorce, plus his mom's death and everything that followed. Lots of signs of dysfunction in his relationship with Harry. No truly serious relationships but a couple on again off again things that didn't go anywhere. He doesn't have a healthy, functional relationship with any of his parent figures -- his mom is dead, his dad is extremely repressed and distant (and busy), his grandmother was the queen and not the most nurturing person in the world, his grandfather even less so. It doesn't appear he had or was allowed close relationships with the Spencers. He was not independent at all, and the one period of his life where he was somewhat independent (his military service) involved fighting in a war, which is a traumatic event that can really screw a person up. He has a lot of friends but it's unclear how many are close, true friends -- that world is the sort of predictable set of pre-ordained "friends" that you grow up with and are expected to socialize among and marry into. That's very different that developing a series of friendships with classmates and colleagues and roommates and neighbors over the course of a normal life, as Meghan has.

Megan has led a fairly normal and functional life until meeting Harry and I see most of her decisions since then as an effort to continue to do so despite obstacles posed by his position and family. Megan and their kids are the first normal/healthy relationships Harry has had in his entire life. He is flailing a bit but that's honestly not surprising.

The most questionable life choice Meghan has ever made was marrying Harry -- she could have stayed single, had kids on her own, or maybe found someone else to marry (though tricky due to her age and her job/lifestyle). The best life choice Harry has ever made is marrying Meghan and getting some distance from his messed up family.

Meghan was actively trolling the UK for a high profile love connection. She didn’t want normal she wanted more.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it weird to see it play out so publicly, but I do wind up in the camp of: that family is incredibly dysfunctional/toxic, and he sounds like someone grappling with those issues in a relatively healthy way.

I'm from a very dysfunctional family that does not claim to be anointed by god as rulers of an empire, and even despite that difference, I recognize the signs of dysfunction. The difficulties of direct communication of basic needs like affection, the use of a lot of passive-aggressive means of communication or the expectation for family members to just know what certain members (always the people at the top of the family hierarchy, which in the royals is easy to figure out) want or need and give it to them without complaint. There are golden child, scapegoat, and black sheep dynamics. You see a lot of enmeshment with family, especially around decisions like who you will marry and how and when you will have kids, and how they will be raised.

Yes, a lot of this is viewed as a normal part of being in the royal family. Does not make it less dysfunctional! Actually makes it worse because it's a self-reinforcing system that can't be change for argued against. In my own dysfunctional family, things actually are better for some of the the more recent generations because we have found ways to set boundaries and make other choices. It does result in some amount of estrangement (not total estrangement, but strained relationships with certain family members), but it is better for our children and has enabled us to make healthier choices for ourselves. In the royal family, setting those boundaries and making healthier choices gets second guessed not just by the family itself (which includes the monarch of the country you belong to) but also by Parliament and the press. That's insane!

He does not sound crazy to me. I do think having this play out in public may be something he later regrets. I well understand the desire to actually finally achieve clarity on these issues because I know what it's like to deal with gaslighting and passive aggressive communication your entire life and just want it to end. But the public declarations will likely escalate tensions and can't be taken back. Plus they drag in lots of strangers and that can confuse things.

But the actual things he's talking about and saying? Don't sound crazy to me. It sounds healthy. It sounds like he's been brainwashed by dysfunction most of his life and only recently discovered, through is family of choice, what functional, healthy relationships can look like. It takes time to acclimate.

Harry and Megan need money, even if just for security. They have no marketable skills other than her acting. Either they sell all the dirt they have for as much as they can get or the go bust.

Harry has few marketable skills. Megan has a bunch of marketable skills, even beyond acting. She's a decent spokeswoman, she has a long history of charitable advocacy, she has experience building an online presence and a brand. These are "normal" skills but they are actually pretty helpful for their current situation. Megan is reasonably prepared for figuring out how to make money from their current situation; Harry is not. I sense that she feels this is a manageable situation not that different from where she was at before marrying him, but with more complications, but that he has absolutely no idea how to handle because he's lived in a weird bubble his entire life.

[Anonymous]

People who speak the truth are not mentally ill.

Harry has a history of trauma and abuse. Let’s look at the abusers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find it weird to see it play out so publicly, but I do wind up in the camp of: that family is incredibly dysfunctional/toxic, and he sounds like someone grappling with those issues in a relatively healthy way.

I'm from a very dysfunctional family that does not claim to be anointed by god as rulers of an empire, and even despite that difference, I recognize the signs of dysfunction. The difficulties of direct communication of basic needs like affection, the use of a lot of passive-aggressive means of communication or the expectation for family members to just know what certain members (always the people at the top of the family hierarchy, which in the royals is easy to figure out) want or need and give it to them without complaint. There are golden child, scapegoat, and black sheep dynamics. You see a lot of enmeshment with family, especially around decisions like who you will marry and how and when you will have kids, and how they will be raised.

Yes, a lot of this is viewed as a normal part of being in the royal family. Does not make it less dysfunctional! Actually makes it worse because it's a self-reinforcing system that can't be change for argued against. In my own dysfunctional family, things actually are better for some of the the more recent generations because we have found ways to set boundaries and make other choices. It does result in some amount of estrangement (not total estrangement, but strained relationships with certain family members), but it is better for our children and has enabled us to make healthier choices for ourselves. In the royal family, setting those boundaries and making healthier choices gets second guessed not just by the family itself (which includes the monarch of the country you belong to) but also by Parliament and the press. That's insane!

He does not sound crazy to me. I do think having this play out in public may be something he later regrets. I well understand the desire to actually finally achieve clarity on these issues because I know what it's like to deal with gaslighting and passive aggressive communication your entire life and just want it to end. But the public declarations will likely escalate tensions and can't be taken back. Plus they drag in lots of strangers and that can confuse things.

But the actual things he's talking about and saying? Don't sound crazy to me. It sounds healthy. It sounds like he's been brainwashed by dysfunction most of his life and only recently discovered, through is family of choice, what functional, healthy relationships can look like. It takes time to acclimate.

Harry and Megan need money, even if just for security. They have no marketable skills other than her acting. Either they sell all the dirt they have for as much as they can get or the go bust.

Harry has tons of training in etiquette and schmoozing. He could easily raise money for charities or advocate for causes. He's not without skills.

Those are diminishing skills. Ten years down the road, completely detached from the origin of his popularity, do you think anyone would care about him? He'll be another JOhn Doe.

At the brother to the King of England, you think he'll be a nobody? He's rich, well connected and a household name. He'll never be a nobody, even if he tries.

Read about King Edward VIII and how history forgot about him. Harry is not even 1/100th relevant compare to VIII

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like our family squabbles, with the main difference being no one cares about us!

And you likely don’t have billions of dollars and a famous name to fall back upon.