GWMS- 6th Grade Teacher Violentlty Attacked

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Anonymous wrote:If the teachers pursue it, there were be a police report and then a lawsuit that will be public.

A lawsuit, police report? For a 6th grader?

You do realize that some of the 6th graders are 15, 16 years old and larger than adults?

That doesn’t mean you have a right to information about a minor student. What exactly are you seeking to do with this information? Schools are absolutely bound by certain privacy laws that prevent them from disclosing specifics about these incidents, including any disciplinary action. You may not like that but that is the law.

ACPS uses an overly broad interpretation of privacy laws to avoid providing parents sufficient information about risks to health and safety faced by their children in ACPS schools. ACPS could share more than the nothing they generally share by not providing student identifying information about particular students.

What do you want to know specifically if indeed another student punched a teacher? Should the school be putting out a press release for such incidents? You think other school districts actually do that? You keep asking for more info but I’m not clear on what info you want. They aren’t going to name a student or even disclose disciplinary or juvenile criminal action taken.

No, I do not think there should be a public statement on this but if a parent ask for confirmation that a peer punched a teacher (no names of the student) that question should be answered. Also, ACPS’s limited statements about the Minnie Howard fight this week (never mind what happened last year) is the better example.

What you think and what the laws are are entirely different. You are ignorant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the student had a disability, I doubt that the school is legally able to share any information about the incident with you.

Helloooo to those who don't understand the protections some of theses violent students are receiving.

FERPA applies to all students. The question is whether something can be shared without sharing information that identifies the student by name.

I work in a large school system and understand FERPA, FAPE, etc. Many special ed students are handled with kid gloves when it comes to punishment and consequences. There are high school kids who return to public school settings from residential treatment centers, and very few educators know about their violent pasts (and certainly not the other parents in the school).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the teachers pursue it, there were be a police report and then a lawsuit that will be public.

A lawsuit, police report? For a 6th grader?

You do realize that some of the 6th graders are 15, 16 years old and larger than adults?

That doesn’t mean you have a right to information about a minor student. What exactly are you seeking to do with this information? Schools are absolutely bound by certain privacy laws that prevent them from disclosing specifics about these incidents, including any disciplinary action. You may not like that but that is the law.

ACPS uses an overly broad interpretation of privacy laws to avoid providing parents sufficient information about risks to health and safety faced by their children in ACPS schools. ACPS could share more than the nothing they generally share by not providing student identifying information about particular students.

What do you want to know specifically if indeed another student punched a teacher? Should the school be putting out a press release for such incidents? You think other school districts actually do that? You keep asking for more info but I’m not clear on what info you want. They aren’t going to name a student or even disclose disciplinary or juvenile criminal action taken.

No, I do not think there should be a public statement on this but if a parent ask for confirmation that a peer punched a teacher (no names of the student) that question should be answered. Also, ACPS’s limited statements about the Minnie Howard fight this week (never mind what happened last year) is the better example.

What you think and what the laws are are entirely different. You are ignorant.

Yes, we understand that violent behavior is kept under wraps frequently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the student had a disability, I doubt that the school is legally able to share any information about the incident with you.

Helloooo to those who don't understand the protections some of theses violent students are receiving.

FERPA applies to all students. The question is whether something can be shared without sharing information that identifies the student by name.

and at times saying that the incident happened will identify the student. All students have privacy rights and the school system has to be very careful about sharing anything.

[Anonymous]

I'm a teacher and if a 6th grader assaulted me I'd absolutely BOTH file charges with the police and I'd sue the hell out of my school district for not protecting me. In 6th grade, the student is likely 12-13 years old, though could be older. A 12 or 13 year old is probably as big as I am. I don't care if the student has an IEP or is 12 years old. When we say it is okay for a kid to attack a teacher, we're lost.

I teach kindergarten and am regularly hit, kicked or otherwise treated badly by 5 year olds. This is a little bit of a different situation. However, if I am ever injured, as in blood is drawn or have to go to the ER or hell, even have a bruise? I will work with my union to get the child removed from my class. If the district won't do that, I'll sue. I have a right to be safe at school. Period. I have a right to be safe at school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the teachers pursue it, there were be a police report and then a lawsuit that will be public.

A lawsuit, police report? For a 6th grader?

You do realize that some of the 6th graders are 15, 16 years old and larger than adults?

That doesn’t mean you have a right to information about a minor student. What exactly are you seeking to do with this information? Schools are absolutely bound by certain privacy laws that prevent them from disclosing specifics about these incidents, including any disciplinary action. You may not like that but that is the law.

ACPS uses an overly broad interpretation of privacy laws to avoid providing parents sufficient information about risks to health and safety faced by their children in ACPS schools. ACPS could share more than the nothing they generally share by not providing student identifying information about particular students.

What do you want to know specifically if indeed another student punched a teacher? Should the school be putting out a press release for such incidents? You think other school districts actually do that? You keep asking for more info but I’m not clear on what info you want. They aren’t going to name a student or even disclose disciplinary or juvenile criminal action taken.

No, I do not think there should be a public statement on this but if a parent ask for confirmation that a peer punched a teacher (no names of the student) that question should be answered. Also, ACPS’s limited statements about the Minnie Howard fight this week (never mind what happened last year) is the better example.

What you think and what the laws are are entirely different. You are ignorant.

No, you are brainwashed on what FERPA requires.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the teachers pursue it, there were be a police report and then a lawsuit that will be public.

A lawsuit, police report? For a 6th grader?

You do realize that some of the 6th graders are 15, 16 years old and larger than adults?

Um, no. A 6th grader would be 11 or 12 years old. Maybe 13 if they were held back.

There are freshman in high school that are well over 18. You are aware, right?

It’s pretty rare and they age out on their 22nd birthday. But nice right wing talking point.

Translation= the PP was right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher and if a 6th grader assaulted me I'd absolutely BOTH file charges with the police and I'd sue the hell out of my school district for not protecting me. In 6th grade, the student is likely 12-13 years old, though could be older. A 12 or 13 year old is probably as big as I am. I don't care if the student has an IEP or is 12 years old. When we say it is okay for a kid to attack a teacher, we're lost.

I teach kindergarten and am regularly hit, kicked or otherwise treated badly by 5 year olds. This is a little bit of a different situation. However, if I am ever injured, as in blood is drawn or have to go to the ER or hell, even have a bruise? I will work with my union to get the child removed from my class. If the district won't do that, I'll sue. I have a right to be safe at school. Period. I have a right to be safe at school.

You do have the right to be safe at school and so do kids.

Last year, when kids were posting videos on Instagram of the violence at GWMS (which I thought was a cry for help and private school kids were watching as entertainment) - teachers were throwing themselves between kids that were much bigger than the teachers.

Teachers deserve better. I'm glad you would take this hard line.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the teachers pursue it, there were be a police report and then a lawsuit that will be public.

A lawsuit, police report? For a 6th grader?

I would file a police report if a 6th grader attacked me and broke my nose. Why wouldn't you?

Agree I’d file a police report if a sixth grader broke my nose

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the student had a disability, I doubt that the school is legally able to share any information about the incident with you.

Helloooo to those who don't understand the protections some of theses violent students are receiving.

FERPA applies to all students. The question is whether something can be shared without sharing information that identifies the student by name.

and at times saying that the incident happened will identify the student. All students have privacy rights and the school system has to be very careful about sharing anything.

Exactly. Which is why ACPS errs on the side of saying absolutely nothing at all at all times no matter the event. Seems reasonable.

[Anonymous]

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If you do want to talk about something, how about the principal not being on campus since November.

Well, since November was only 9 days ago, that doesn't seem particularly interesting. Is he not allowed to go on vacation, or have a medical issue, or have a family member who may have a medical issue?

Oh no. He's gone. You didn't hear?

What does this mean? The principal is no longer at GWMS?!

Yes. He's going to another county. But I don't know if they have hired a new one.

Thankfully he is heading off to Prince William County. Mrs. Vinson will be in charge until someone new is hired. Glad I don't have to read his rambling emails ever again!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If you do want to talk about something, how about the principal not being on campus since November.

Well, since November was only 9 days ago, that doesn't seem particularly interesting. Is he not allowed to go on vacation, or have a medical issue, or have a family member who may have a medical issue?

Oh no. He's gone. You didn't hear?

What does this mean? The principal is no longer at GWMS?!

Yes. He's going to another county. But I don't know if they have hired a new one.

Thankfully he is heading off to Prince William County. Mrs. Vinson will be in charge until someone new is hired. Glad I don't have to read his rambling emails ever again!!

Who can blame him for abandoning ship? I wonder if he'll tell kids in PW County that it's their fault if their property is stolen?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher and if a 6th grader assaulted me I'd absolutely BOTH file charges with the police and I'd sue the hell out of my school district for not protecting me. In 6th grade, the student is likely 12-13 years old, though could be older. A 12 or 13 year old is probably as big as I am. I don't care if the student has an IEP or is 12 years old. When we say it is okay for a kid to attack a teacher, we're lost.

I teach kindergarten and am regularly hit, kicked or otherwise treated badly by 5 year olds. This is a little bit of a different situation. However, if I am ever injured, as in blood is drawn or have to go to the ER or hell, even have a bruise? I will work with my union to get the child removed from my class. If the district won't do that, I'll sue. I have a right to be safe at school. Period. I have a right to be safe at school.

As a parent, l 100% support this and think that all teachers should do the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the teachers pursue it, there were be a police report and then a lawsuit that will be public.

A lawsuit, police report? For a 6th grader?

I would file a police report if a 6th grader attacked me and broke my nose. Why wouldn't you?

Agree I’d file a police report if a sixth grader broke my nose

That’s fine but that doesn’t mean the information would be made public or that you could make public systems violating a minor’s privacy rights. I thought OP’s issue was how to find more information about an incident and unfortunately there isn’t a mechanism for that under the circumstances.

[Anonymous]

This absolutely happened. My daughter witnessed it and the teacher involved is someone with whom she regularly interacts.