Brian Flores lawsuit alleging racism in NFL

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Anonymous wrote:Was Flores 24-25 with Miami? Maybe time for a new head coach?

What was Miami’s record for let’s say the dozen years before that?

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Anonymous wrote:It is truly amazing the lengths some people are going in this thread to deny that there is any racial discrimination in this NFL. And those of you trying to make the discussion about gambling instead of racism are complicit in that.

I'm not doing that, but rather commenting on the merits of the lawsuit. Two different things.
If the Rooney Rule was violated, it's Roger Goodell's job to take action - it's just a league rule. It doesn't come close to proving unlawful racial discrimination.
Now if Flores and his lawyers are firing a warning shot at the NFL owners, fine. Perhaps that's overdue. But I don't see that hiring Daboll over Flores comes close to proving racial discrimination.

If the only reason the Giants invited Flores to interview was because he is a racial minority and not because they had any intention of seriously considering him for the job, that is absolutely racial discrimination.

You keep saying that, and I'm not aware of any legal support for it. I'm happy to reconsider if you can provide some.

Belichick heard through the grapevine that the Giants had made their decision before they even interviewed Flores.

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Anonymous wrote:Was Flores 24-25 with Miami? Maybe time for a new head coach?

What was Miami’s record for let’s say the dozen years before that?

is that the standard for keeping a head coach, he wasn't as big a loser as his predecessor?

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Anonymous wrote:It is truly amazing the lengths some people are going in this thread to deny that there is any racial discrimination in this NFL. And those of you trying to make the discussion about gambling instead of racism are complicit in that.

I'm not doing that, but rather commenting on the merits of the lawsuit. Two different things.
If the Rooney Rule was violated, it's Roger Goodell's job to take action - it's just a league rule. It doesn't come close to proving unlawful racial discrimination.
Now if Flores and his lawyers are firing a warning shot at the NFL owners, fine. Perhaps that's overdue. But I don't see that hiring Daboll over Flores comes close to proving racial discrimination.

If the only reason the Giants invited Flores to interview was because he is a racial minority and not because they had any intention of seriously considering him for the job, that is absolutely racial discrimination.

You keep saying that, and I'm not aware of any legal support for it. I'm happy to reconsider if you can provide some.

Belichick heard through the grapevine that the Giants had made their decision before they even interviewed Flores.

DP. It looks like that to me too. But that's not racial discrimination. Why did they want Daboll instead of the other candidates?

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Pre-selection is a problem in every single job I've ever seen in business and government. In fact, I've rarely seen an open and fair process. Doesn't make it right, but it doesn't mean it's due to racial discrimination either.

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Anonymous wrote:It is truly amazing the lengths some people are going in this thread to deny that there is any racial discrimination in this NFL. And those of you trying to make the discussion about gambling instead of racism are complicit in that.

I'm not doing that, but rather commenting on the merits of the lawsuit. Two different things.
If the Rooney Rule was violated, it's Roger Goodell's job to take action - it's just a league rule. It doesn't come close to proving unlawful racial discrimination.
Now if Flores and his lawyers are firing a warning shot at the NFL owners, fine. Perhaps that's overdue. But I don't see that hiring Daboll over Flores comes close to proving racial discrimination.

If the only reason the Giants invited Flores to interview was because he is a racial minority and not because they had any intention of seriously considering him for the job, that is absolutely racial discrimination.

You keep saying that, and I'm not aware of any legal support for it. I'm happy to reconsider if you can provide some.

Belichick heard through the grapevine that the Giants had made their decision before they even interviewed Flores.

DP. It looks like that to me too. But that's not racial discrimination. Why did they want Daboll instead of the other candidates?

It violates the league's own rules, but probably not illegal.

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Anonymous wrote:Was Flores 24-25 with Miami? Maybe time for a new head coach?

What was Miami’s record for let’s say the dozen years before that?

is that the standard for keeping a head coach, he wasn't as big a loser as his predecessor?

Do you know anything about the NFL or are you just a race-baiting troll?

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Anonymous wrote:It is truly amazing the lengths some people are going in this thread to deny that there is any racial discrimination in this NFL. And those of you trying to make the discussion about gambling instead of racism are complicit in that.

I'm not doing that, but rather commenting on the merits of the lawsuit. Two different things.
If the Rooney Rule was violated, it's Roger Goodell's job to take action - it's just a league rule. It doesn't come close to proving unlawful racial discrimination.
Now if Flores and his lawyers are firing a warning shot at the NFL owners, fine. Perhaps that's overdue. But I don't see that hiring Daboll over Flores comes close to proving racial discrimination.

If the only reason the Giants invited Flores to interview was because he is a racial minority and not because they had any intention of seriously considering him for the job, that is absolutely racial discrimination.

You keep saying that, and I'm not aware of any legal support for it. I'm happy to reconsider if you can provide some.

Belichick heard through the grapevine that the Giants had made their decision before they even interviewed Flores.

DP. It looks like that to me too. But that's not racial discrimination. Why did they want Daboll instead of the other candidates?

It violates the league's own rules, but probably not illegal.

Right. It sheds very little light on Flores's claim of racial discrimination.

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Anonymous wrote:Was Flores 24-25 with Miami? Maybe time for a new head coach?

What was Miami’s record for let’s say the dozen years before that?

is that the standard for keeping a head coach, he wasn't as big a loser as his predecessor?

Do you know anything about the NFL or are you just a race-baiting troll?

What's your point? That he wasn't as bad as some of his predecessors?

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Anonymous wrote:It is truly amazing the lengths some people are going in this thread to deny that there is any racial discrimination in this NFL. And those of you trying to make the discussion about gambling instead of racism are complicit in that.

I'm not doing that, but rather commenting on the merits of the lawsuit. Two different things.
If the Rooney Rule was violated, it's Roger Goodell's job to take action - it's just a league rule. It doesn't come close to proving unlawful racial discrimination.
Now if Flores and his lawyers are firing a warning shot at the NFL owners, fine. Perhaps that's overdue. But I don't see that hiring Daboll over Flores comes close to proving racial discrimination.

If the only reason the Giants invited Flores to interview was because he is a racial minority and not because they had any intention of seriously considering him for the job, that is absolutely racial discrimination.

You keep saying that, and I'm not aware of any legal support for it. I'm happy to reconsider if you can provide some.

Belichick heard through the grapevine that the Giants had made their decision before they even interviewed Flores.

DP. It looks like that to me too. But that's not racial discrimination. Why did they want Daboll instead of the other candidates?

My Giants fan DH said that the owners wanted Flores but once they hired the new GM from the Bills the GM wanted Daboll. I’m a Washington fan so I have no idea.

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Anonymous wrote:Was Flores 24-25 with Miami? Maybe time for a new head coach?

What was Miami’s record for let’s say the dozen years before that?

is that the standard for keeping a head coach, he wasn't as big a loser as his predecessor?

Do you know anything about the NFL or are you just a race-baiting troll?

What's your point? That he wasn't as bad as some of his predecessors?

Coaches at flailing franchises keep their jobs when they aren’t as bad as their predecessors ALL THE TIME.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33194862/brian-flores-sues-nfl-others-former-miami-dolphins-coach-alleges-racism-hiring-practices

Seems like the fix was in for the NYG job - wonder if Belichick texted him on purpose, knowing it was a sham?

John Elway doesn't look too good, either.

Not sure how the league can claim there's no racism when only one coach is Black in a league where 70% of the players are Black.

What? One has nothing whatsoever to do with the other. Owners want winners. Players and coaches are two different things. Give me the name of a bankable black coach and I'm sure he'd have a great shot at getting hired. This isn't affirmative action like college or government employment.

DP. Why do you think there are no, in your apparent opinion, “bankable” black coaches in the NFL?

I didn't say that. If there are - I'm sure they're highly desired these days. Name one with a winning record who has been denied consideration.

Brian Flores had a winning record this year and was fired

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Anonymous wrote:Was Flores 24-25 with Miami? Maybe time for a new head coach?

What was Miami’s record for let’s say the dozen years before that?

is that the standard for keeping a head coach, he wasn't as big a loser as his predecessor?

Do you know anything about the NFL or are you just a race-baiting troll?

What's your point? That he wasn't as bad as some of his predecessors?

Coaches at flailing franchises keep their jobs when they aren’t as bad as their predecessors ALL THE TIME.

what if the owner wants to stop "flailing"? You saying they need to be satisfied with 24-25 so they won't get accused of racism?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33194862/brian-flores-sues-nfl-others-former-miami-dolphins-coach-alleges-racism-hiring-practices

Seems like the fix was in for the NYG job - wonder if Belichick texted him on purpose, knowing it was a sham?

John Elway doesn't look too good, either.

Not sure how the league can claim there's no racism when only one coach is Black in a league where 70% of the players are Black.

What? One has nothing whatsoever to do with the other. Owners want winners. Players and coaches are two different things. Give me the name of a bankable black coach and I'm sure he'd have a great shot at getting hired. This isn't affirmative action like college or government employment.

DP. Why do you think there are no, in your apparent opinion, “bankable” black coaches in the NFL?

I didn't say that. If there are - I'm sure they're highly desired these days. Name one with a winning record who has been denied consideration.

Brian Flores had a winning record this year and was fired

pretty sure his record was 24-25 with Miami

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Anonymous wrote:Was Flores 24-25 with Miami? Maybe time for a new head coach?

What was Miami’s record for let’s say the dozen years before that?

is that the standard for keeping a head coach, he wasn't as big a loser as his predecessor?

Do you know anything about the NFL or are you just a race-baiting troll?

What's your point? That he wasn't as bad as some of his predecessors?

Coaches at flailing franchises keep their jobs when they aren’t as bad as their predecessors ALL THE TIME.

what if the owner wants to stop "flailing"? You saying they need to be satisfied with 24-25 so they won't get accused of racism?

Bribing a coach to not lose is a bad way to go about winning. So is insisting on sticking with a quarter back who is clearly not NFL caliber