Brian Flores lawsuit alleging racism in NFL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, the NFL has stepped in it now. After issuing a statement categorically denying Flores’ allegations that Ross offered him $100k per loss to rank the season, it’s own network is reporting a witness has come forward who overheard Ross making the offer to Flores. And Flores’ legal team is saying they have evidence to corroborate it, including messages from the Dolphins’ GM.

https://www.nfl.com/news/witness-says-he-heard-dolphins-owner-stephen-ross-offer-ex-head-coach-brian-flor?campaign=Twitter_atn

Does everyone remember back in the 80s we thought wrestling matches were real then we learned it was all just a show? Looks like the NFL is the same!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will paly along with all your sneaky tricks and all that until I don't get what I want and then I will cry foul.

signed Brian Flores & Hugh Jackson

“I didn’t actually read the complaint or any detailed account of it, but I’m going to spout off anyway like a fool.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well, the NFL has stepped in it now. After issuing a statement categorically denying Flores’ allegations that Ross offered him $100k per loss to rank the season, it’s own network is reporting a witness has come forward who overheard Ross making the offer to Flores. And Flores’ legal team is saying they have evidence to corroborate it, including messages from the Dolphins’ GM.

https://www.nfl.com/news/witness-says-he-heard-dolphins-owner-stephen-ross-offer-ex-head-coach-brian-flor?campaign=Twitter_atn

Does everyone remember back in the 80s we thought wrestling matches were real then we learned it was all just a show? Looks like the NFL is the same!

+1 Somewhere there is a lawyer preparing a class action on behalf of everyone who bet legally on the Dolphins the last three seasons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand is why the NFL doesn't fix these issues around race/racism. They've probably had more warning bells than a lot of other industries. They are not going to have any customers 10 years from now.

I can't argue the merits of this case, but I'm clear about the damage it will do to the NFL's reputation.

I don't think the Flores is worried about a future job, he's trying to build his legacy as someone who stood up to the NFL. I think its great.

You are kidding? There are many good reasons for "fixing this problem," but that is definitely NOT one of them.

What I'm saying is at least the NFL should be concerned about their future customers. I am Black and understand that NOONE wants to really fix this stuff because its the right thing to do.

And I think what the PP is saying is that the motion that people will stop watching the NFL en masse because of racial disparities in the coaching ranks is far-fetched, to say the least.

There is actually research out there showing that there was a decrease during the Colin Kapernick stuff. Future NFL customers are people of color - they will lose in the end if they don't get this together.

[Anonymous]

It's definitely evidence that the Rooney rule isn't doing anything except ensuring an interview. Teams are going to actually hire who they are going to hire.

Now, was the reason that Daboll was always going to be hired instead of Flores conscious racisim? Perhaps not. Perhaps they just liked him better, but the underlying reason for that could very well be unconscious racism. Sure, it could also potentially be something else, but we don't have any way of knowing.

At the end of the day, what this definitely shows is that the Rooney rule isn't the solution to the problem. Another approach is needed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's definitely evidence that the Rooney rule isn't doing anything except ensuring an interview. Teams are going to actually hire who they are going to hire.

Now, was the reason that Daboll was always going to be hired instead of Flores conscious racisim? Perhaps not. Perhaps they just liked him better, but the underlying reason for that could very well be unconscious racism. Sure, it could also potentially be something else, but we don't have any way of knowing.

At the end of the day, what this definitely shows is that the Rooney rule isn't the solution to the problem. Another approach is needed.

The Giants hired a new GM from the Bills. He was always going to take Daboll with him if he could.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well, the NFL has stepped in it now. After issuing a statement categorically denying Flores’ allegations that Ross offered him $100k per loss to rank the season, it’s own network is reporting a witness has come forward who overheard Ross making the offer to Flores. And Flores’ legal team is saying they have evidence to corroborate it, including messages from the Dolphins’ GM.

https://www.nfl.com/news/witness-says-he-heard-dolphins-owner-stephen-ross-offer-ex-head-coach-brian-flor?campaign=Twitter_atn

Well. if you read that article, Flores says he refused to go along with the plan "and that was the reason I was let go."
So he just gave a completely non-racial explanation for why he was let go.
I don't see how this allegation helps his racial discrimination case at all, and in fact, if true, it shows he was fired for completely non-racial reasons.
It will be a major embarrassment to Ross however, and maybe the is the whole point. Revenge.

Not necessarily. Tanking a season like Ross asked Flores to do would have destroyed Flores’ career. When you consider it from that perspective, $100k per game was a pittance. Would he have asked a white coach tod on the same, or did he only think a black coach would be such a fool as to take that deal? Did he take Floes serious as a head coach, or was Flores a patsy to get a couple years of good draft picks and then was going to fired in favor of a “real” head coach?

Unless you are Stephen Ross or someone very close to him, you do not know the answer to that any more than I do so don’t bother trying to pretend you do. But if there are written records (texts, emails, etc.) or anyone who is will to speak up and admit they had discussions with Ross about this stuff, it could get ugly.

It is a good question, and I think the answer is Yes, he would have in that same situation. But that is speculation, since we will never know.

NP but it's important to remember, even in this imaginary scenario, that taking money to tank would be a different calculation for a white coach. There is plenty of statistical evidence that white coaches get second and third chances after losing seasons, while black coaches do not. So the white coach wouldn't be risking as much if they went along with the scheme because they can have losing seasons on their records without it tarnishing their credentials, while Flores actually had two winning seasons in a row (with a godawful franchise) and STILL got fired.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's definitely evidence that the Rooney rule isn't doing anything except ensuring an interview. Teams are going to actually hire who they are going to hire.

Now, was the reason that Daboll was always going to be hired instead of Flores conscious racisim? Perhaps not. Perhaps they just liked him better, but the underlying reason for that could very well be unconscious racism. Sure, it could also potentially be something else, but we don't have any way of knowing.

At the end of the day, what this definitely shows is that the Rooney rule isn't the solution to the problem. Another approach is needed.

This is where it is important to distinguish between disparate treatment and disparate impact. Many posters in this discussion (not necessarily you, pp) are completely tunnel visioned on disparate treatment, as if that’s the only potential theory of liability here. A disparate impact claim does not require proof of intent to discriminate, only that the policies and practices in place have the effect of discriminating against minority candidates. The theory requires a very different kind of proof than a disparate treatment claim, and is much more likely to result in class certification because it does not require the same kind of individualized proof that a disparate treatment claim does.

[Anonymous]

“In the aftermath of Brian Flores filing a lawsuit against the league alleging racism in its hiring practices, the NFL came out with a statement saying that his claims were "without merit." However, in a memo recently released to teams, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell acknowledged the clear lack of diversity among head coaching hirings in the league.

"We have made significant efforts to promote diversity and adopted numerous policies and programs which have produced positive change in many areas, however we must acknowledge that particularly with respect to head coaches the results have been unacceptable," the memo, obtained by CBS Sports senior NFL insider Jonathan Jones, reads.”
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/roger-goodell-says-lack-of-diversity-among-head-coaches-has-been-unacceptable-in-memo-sent-to-nfl-teams/?fbclid=IwAR2-kEQTPLRXp_ZPaUnvCmL7q-CvOCIChDIs6TFyzoMQ44JMS6n3AuBXel0

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Anonymous wrote:It is utterly predictable, but darkly hilarious, that now that the racists cannot defend the NFL’s practices on the merits, they have pivoted to whether it can be sustained as a class action based on a superficial at best understand of class action litigation and the implications for the NFL of it being asserted as a class action. Even if the class isn’t certified, this can do a lot of damage to the NFL in the meantime.

Read the thread title. Brian Flores LAWSUIT. You don't think that will attract people who want to discuss the merits of a LAWSUIT?

You wanna talk about general NFL racism which is not legally actionable, then start a different thread.

You think racism in employment decisions isn’t legally actionable? 😂

I don't think the decision by the Giants not to hire Flores was racist or implicates NFL hiring practices - ok? Tell me how it does.
Asked but never answered, is Dobell an obviously lesser choice for the position than Flores?

Let’s start with offensive coordinator vs successful head coach. Oh but the new GM just wanted to hire his friend. Right? That’s just how people of color usually get screwed. Sorry Flores, you’re not part of our crew.

[Anonymous]

Classic white supremacy

[Anonymous]

Do not under how Black people continue to support football and the NFL. We must have some type of suffering complex. I’ll be damn if I kept giving my coins to this racist institution.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well, the NFL has stepped in it now. After issuing a statement categorically denying Flores’ allegations that Ross offered him $100k per loss to rank the season, it’s own network is reporting a witness has come forward who overheard Ross making the offer to Flores. And Flores’ legal team is saying they have evidence to corroborate it, including messages from the Dolphins’ GM.

https://www.nfl.com/news/witness-says-he-heard-dolphins-owner-stephen-ross-offer-ex-head-coach-brian-flor?campaign=Twitter_atn

Well. if you read that article, Flores says he refused to go along with the plan "and that was the reason I was let go."
So he just gave a completely non-racial explanation for why he was let go.
I don't see how this allegation helps his racial discrimination case at all, and in fact, if true, it shows he was fired for completely non-racial reasons.
It will be a major embarrassment to Ross however, and maybe the is the whole point. Revenge.

Really?? You big brain cannot see how race May be tied up in this as well? Come on Brad think harder.

[Anonymous]

I haven’t watched every since they did Kap the way they did.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well, the NFL has stepped in it now. After issuing a statement categorically denying Flores’ allegations that Ross offered him $100k per loss to rank the season, it’s own network is reporting a witness has come forward who overheard Ross making the offer to Flores. And Flores’ legal team is saying they have evidence to corroborate it, including messages from the Dolphins’ GM.

https://www.nfl.com/news/witness-says-he-heard-dolphins-owner-stephen-ross-offer-ex-head-coach-brian-flor?campaign=Twitter_atn

Well. if you read that article, Flores says he refused to go along with the plan "and that was the reason I was let go."
So he just gave a completely non-racial explanation for why he was let go.
I don't see how this allegation helps his racial discrimination case at all, and in fact, if true, it shows he was fired for completely non-racial reasons.
It will be a major embarrassment to Ross however, and maybe the is the whole point. Revenge.

Really?? You big brain cannot see how race May be tied up in this as well? Come on Brad think harder.

The white supremacists are going to always refused to see racism, no matter how obvious it is.