Brian Flores lawsuit alleging racism in NFL

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Seems like the fix was in for the NYG job - wonder if Belichick texted him on purpose, knowing it was a sham?

John Elway doesn't look too good, either.

Not sure how the league can claim there's no racism when only one coach is Black in a league where 70% of the players are Black.

What? One has nothing whatsoever to do with the other. Owners want winners. Players and coaches are two different things. Give me the name of a bankable black coach and I'm sure he'd have a great shot at getting hired. This isn't affirmative action like college or government employment.

DP. Why do you think there are no, in your apparent opinion, “bankable” black coaches in the NFL?

I didn't say that. If there are - I'm sure they're highly desired these days. Name one with a winning record who has been denied consideration.

Seriously? Just look at the allegations of Flores’ complaint. He had a successful career in a number of roles with the Patriots, but after that he gets only sgam interviews with the Giants and the Broncos to satisfy the Rooney rule and then gets hired by the Dolphins to be a patsy. Instead he puts together back-to-back winning seasons for the team for the first time since 2003, and is promptly fired for failure to perform to expectations.

Well there it is. The reason. And you're speculating the same thing wouldn't have happened to a white coach? Gonna be very difficult proving that in court.

DP. Do you even follow the NFL? I can't imagine you would post this comment if you did.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33194862/brian-flores-sues-nfl-others-former-miami-dolphins-coach-alleges-racism-hiring-practices

Seems like the fix was in for the NYG job - wonder if Belichick texted him on purpose, knowing it was a sham?

John Elway doesn't look too good, either.

Not sure how the league can claim there's no racism when only one coach is Black in a league where 70% of the players are Black.

What? One has nothing whatsoever to do with the other. Owners want winners. Players and coaches are two different things. Give me the name of a bankable black coach and I'm sure he'd have a great shot at getting hired. This isn't affirmative action like college or government employment.

DP. Why do you think there are no, in your apparent opinion, “bankable” black coaches in the NFL?

+1. NFL owners take chances on white coaches with little or no experience. You can't tell me that there isn't a single black person capable of coaching in the NFL.

I'm sure there are. And how many openings are there right now?

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Late to the story here and I don't know the names well enough to understand BB's texts. Can someone explain; is this a smoking gun?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33194862/brian-flores-sues-nfl-others-former-miami-dolphins-coach-alleges-racism-hiring-practices

Seems like the fix was in for the NYG job - wonder if Belichick texted him on purpose, knowing it was a sham?

John Elway doesn't look too good, either.

Not sure how the league can claim there's no racism when only one coach is Black in a league where 70% of the players are Black.

What? One has nothing whatsoever to do with the other. Owners want winners. Players and coaches are two different things. Give me the name of a bankable black coach and I'm sure he'd have a great shot at getting hired. This isn't affirmative action like college or government employment.

Brian Flores!

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33194862/brian-flores-sues-nfl-others-former-miami-dolphins-coach-alleges-racism-hiring-practices

Seems like the fix was in for the NYG job - wonder if Belichick texted him on purpose, knowing it was a sham?

John Elway doesn't look too good, either.

Not sure how the league can claim there's no racism when only one coach is Black in a league where 70% of the players are Black.

What? One has nothing whatsoever to do with the other. Owners want winners. Players and coaches are two different things. Give me the name of a bankable black coach and I'm sure he'd have a great shot at getting hired. This isn't affirmative action like college or government employment.

DP. Why do you think there are no, in your apparent opinion, “bankable” black coaches in the NFL?

+1. NFL owners take chances on white coaches with little or no experience. You can't tell me that there isn't a single black person capable of coaching in the NFL.

I'm sure there are. And how many openings are there right now?

DP. I believe six at the moment. Two because two of only three black head coaches in the NFL were fired in surprising and unusual moves.

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Anonymous wrote:Late to the story here and I don't know the names well enough to understand BB's texts. Can someone explain; is this a smoking gun?

Yes, it shows that they violated the letter and spirit of the Rooney Rule.

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Anonymous wrote:Late to the story here and I don't know the names well enough to understand BB's texts. Can someone explain; is this a smoking gun?

Yes, it shows that they violated the letter and spirit of the Rooney Rule.

Is there even an ounce of possibility that BB genuinely miss read the name and just congratulated the wrong person?

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Anonymous wrote:Late to the story here and I don't know the names well enough to understand BB's texts. Can someone explain; is this a smoking gun?

Belichick texted Brian Flores, thinking it was Brian Daboll, saying congratulations to Daboll for locking up the Giants job. That was before Flores had even interviewed for the Giants job.

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Anonymous wrote:Late to the story here and I don't know the names well enough to understand BB's texts. Can someone explain; is this a smoking gun?

Yes, it shows that they violated the letter and spirit of the Rooney Rule.

Is there even an ounce of possibility that BB genuinely miss read the name and just congratulated the wrong person?

He clearly mixed up the names but that’s not the point.

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Anonymous wrote:Late to the story here and I don't know the names well enough to understand BB's texts. Can someone explain; is this a smoking gun?

It does seem to be. The NFL has what's called the Rooney Rule, which requires teams to interview minority candidates for head coaching and other senior football operations positions. Belichick and Brian Flores worked together at the Patriots for years and reportedly have stayed in touch since Flores left for a head coaching job with the Dolphins. Flores, who is black, was one of the candidates to be interviewed for the head coach position with the Giants last month. On January 24, a few days before Flores's January 27th interview with the Giants, Belichick texted Flores congratulations for landing the head coach position with the Giants. When Flores texted back confused, Belichik realized he had texted the wrong Brian. He meant to text Brian Daboll, a former offensive coordinator who also happens to be white, and not Brian Flores. Flores went to his interview on the 27th anyway. The Giants put him through the full process (which is intensive), and then announced the very next day that they had hired Brian Daboll as their new head coach. Given that those contracts are not worked out in a just a couple of hours, this most likely means the Giants had already quietly offered Daboll the job before they even interviewed Flores. The obvious conclusion is that the Giants never seriously considered Flores as a candidate for the head coaching job, and only put on the whole production of interviewing him to give the appearance of satisfying the Rooney Rule when in practice they were completely disregarding it.

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Anonymous wrote:Late to the story here and I don't know the names well enough to understand BB's texts. Can someone explain; is this a smoking gun?

Belichick texted Brian Flores, thinking it was Brian Daboll, saying congratulations to Daboll for locking up the Giants job. That was before Flores had even interviewed for the Giants job.

Ugh sounds like one of those things that is so obvious to everyone and yet by the time BB is interviewed/deposed/subpeonaed, his 70 year old brain will suddenly be very foggy and he's claim he has no specific recollection but was just confused, innocent mistake, etc etc

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Anonymous wrote:Late to the story here and I don't know the names well enough to understand BB's texts. Can someone explain; is this a smoking gun?

It does seem to be. The NFL has what's called the Rooney Rule, which requires teams to interview minority candidates for head coaching and other senior football operations positions. Belichick and Brian Flores worked together at the Patriots for years and reportedly have stayed in touch since Flores left for a head coaching job with the Dolphins. Flores, who is black, was one of the candidates to be interviewed for the head coach position with the Giants last month. On January 24, a few days before Flores's January 27th interview with the Giants, Belichick texted Flores congratulations for landing the head coach position with the Giants. When Flores texted back confused, Belichik realized he had texted the wrong Brian. He meant to text Brian Daboll, a former offensive coordinator who also happens to be white, and not Brian Flores. Flores went to his interview on the 27th anyway. The Giants put him through the full process (which is intensive), and then announced the very next day that they had hired Brian Daboll as their new head coach. Given that those contracts are not worked out in a just a couple of hours, this most likely means the Giants had already quietly offered Daboll the job before they even interviewed Flores. The obvious conclusion is that the Giants never seriously considered Flores as a candidate for the head coaching job, and only put on the whole production of interviewing him to give the appearance of satisfying the Rooney Rule when in practice they were completely disregarding it.

Sounds like the Rooney Rule was violated. But where do you get racial discrimination out of that. Is Daboll an obviously lesser choice than Flores?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33194862/brian-flores-sues-nfl-others-former-miami-dolphins-coach-alleges-racism-hiring-practices

Seems like the fix was in for the NYG job - wonder if Belichick texted him on purpose, knowing it was a sham?

John Elway doesn't look too good, either.

Not sure how the league can claim there's no racism when only one coach is Black in a league where 70% of the players are Black.

What? One has nothing whatsoever to do with the other. Owners want winners. Players and coaches are two different things. Give me the name of a bankable black coach and I'm sure he'd have a great shot at getting hired. This isn't affirmative action like college or government employment.

Brian Flores!

Eric Bieniemy is another good example. Offensive coordinator for the Kansas City Chiefs when they won the Super Bowl, with the NFL's top-ranked offense for 2018 and the 5th ranked offense for 2019. Given how the strongly the league prefers offensive coordinators for head coaching positions (which is a whole separate issue), Bieniemy should have been a shoo-in for a head coaching position in 2020, but five teams passed on him.

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Anonymous wrote:Late to the story here and I don't know the names well enough to understand BB's texts. Can someone explain; is this a smoking gun?

Belichick texted Brian Flores, thinking it was Brian Daboll, saying congratulations to Daboll for locking up the Giants job. That was before Flores had even interviewed for the Giants job.

Ugh sounds like one of those things that is so obvious to everyone and yet by the time BB is interviewed/deposed/subpeonaed, his 70 year old brain will suddenly be very foggy and he's claim he has no specific recollection but was just confused, innocent mistake, etc etc

You must be kidding. They have the text string where the mistake was laid out. What evidence do you think they need from Belichick in a deposition to establish it, given the public timeline of events that corroborates it?

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Anonymous wrote:Late to the story here and I don't know the names well enough to understand BB's texts. Can someone explain; is this a smoking gun?

It does seem to be. The NFL has what's called the Rooney Rule, which requires teams to interview minority candidates for head coaching and other senior football operations positions. Belichick and Brian Flores worked together at the Patriots for years and reportedly have stayed in touch since Flores left for a head coaching job with the Dolphins. Flores, who is black, was one of the candidates to be interviewed for the head coach position with the Giants last month. On January 24, a few days before Flores's January 27th interview with the Giants, Belichick texted Flores congratulations for landing the head coach position with the Giants. When Flores texted back confused, Belichik realized he had texted the wrong Brian. He meant to text Brian Daboll, a former offensive coordinator who also happens to be white, and not Brian Flores. Flores went to his interview on the 27th anyway. The Giants put him through the full process (which is intensive), and then announced the very next day that they had hired Brian Daboll as their new head coach. Given that those contracts are not worked out in a just a couple of hours, this most likely means the Giants had already quietly offered Daboll the job before they even interviewed Flores. The obvious conclusion is that the Giants never seriously considered Flores as a candidate for the head coaching job, and only put on the whole production of interviewing him to give the appearance of satisfying the Rooney Rule when in practice they were completely disregarding it.

Sounds like the Rooney Rule was violated. But where do you get racial discrimination out of that. Is Daboll an obviously lesser choice than Flores?

Deliberately violating a rule that was put in place to address racism in the hiring process is pretty much per se discrimination.