2024 Republican Nominees

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Two thoughts occurred to me this morning:

1. It would be absolutely insane for someone who has already been president, then lost his reelection, to go back and get in the mix again. Have to prove himself up against the Cruzes and Rubios and all them. Seems extra humiliating and weird.

2. If Trump and DeSantis were both in the race, wouldn't they likely split the MAGA vote and leave room for some third candidate to actually get the nom? Someone normal - please gd - or at least normal enough. I don't know who that would be. I guess Hogan is going for it - he seems hopeless to me but this path makes it seem slightly less hopeless.

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Prove himself against the Cruzes and Rubios? Overall, I like the thought process of your post, but also, what are you smoking? Trump crushed Cruz and Rubio and both of them have been huge Trump bootlickers since 2016. They are already crushed. They crushed themselves.

DeSantis might still run against Trump, but only if he can get enough support and assurance that Fox and the like will back him publicly against Trump. Or if the GOP tells Trump they won't pay his legal bills if he runs again so he doesn't run. And there's certainly no guarantee there. The midterms will be an interesting test. If the Republicans lose big in what should historically be a winning year for them then real soul-searching will have to be done. You can't lose the White House, House, Senate, and then lose the House and Senate again and keep going down that path.

And if Dems are able to pick up enough Senate seats to force through court reform, bye bye conservative Supreme Court majority.

I'm not saying that he wouldn't beat Cruz or Rubio - two spectacularly bad candidates, in a cesspool of terrible candidates - but that even having to run against them is humiliating at this point. It's like you were the Olympic gold medalist and now you have to compete in the JV match again, and there's a good chance you'd lose it - or you could retire and just live a very comfortable life without that additional humiliation.

I mean, Trump could have stayed in his golden tower in NYC and none of the issues he's facing now would have ever happened. Any normal person would have been humiliated at all the cringe worthy things he's done, but Trump's not. He isn't capable of shame and doesn't see scrapping with Cruz or Rubio as humiliation - for him, anyway. Cruz and Rubio would humiliate themselves by even trying, and given their ages, they won't. I do think they've both give it a go against DeSantis.

I also think there's a very good chance you get a Cheney/Someone ticket. Her concession speech did not pull punches - she's going to do everything in her power to make sure Donald Trump is not President again. That's as good as announcing a run in my book. She may try for the GOP nomination, but I think she runs as a independent/3rd party candidate and hands the Dems the White House in '24.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two thoughts occurred to me this morning:

1. It would be absolutely insane for someone who has already been president, then lost his reelection, to go back and get in the mix again. Have to prove himself up against the Cruzes and Rubios and all them. Seems extra humiliating and weird.

2. If Trump and DeSantis were both in the race, wouldn't they likely split the MAGA vote and leave room for some third candidate to actually get the nom? Someone normal - please gd - or at least normal enough. I don't know who that would be. I guess Hogan is going for it - he seems hopeless to me but this path makes it seem slightly less hopeless.

ly if

Prove himself against the Cruzes and Rubios? Overall, I like the thought process of your post, but also, what are you smoking? Trump crushed Cruz and Rubio and both of them have been huge Trump bootlickers since 2016. They are already crushed. They crushed themselves.

DeSantis might still run against Trump, but only if he can get enough support and assurance that Fox and the like will back him publicly against Trump. Or if the GOP tells Trump they won't pay his legal bills if he runs again so he doesn't run. And there's certainly no guarantee there. The midterms will be an interesting test. If the Republicans lose big in what should historically be a winning year for them then real soul-searching will have to be done. You can't lose the White House, House, Senate, and then lose the House and Senate again and keep going down that path.

And if Dems are able to pick up enough Senate seats to force through court reform, bye bye conservative Supreme Court majority.

I'm not saying that he wouldn't beat Cruz or Rubio - two spectacularly bad candidates, in a cesspool of terrible candidates - but that even having to run against them is humiliating at this point. It's like you were the Olympic gold medalist and now you have to compete in the JV match again, and there's a good chance you'd lose it - or you could retire and just live a very comfortable life without that additional humiliation.

I mean, Trump could have stayed in his golden tower in NYC and none of the issues he's facing now would have ever happened. Any normal person would have been humiliated at all the cringe worthy things he's done, but Trump's not. He isn't capable of shame and doesn't see scrapping with Cruz or Rubio as humiliation - for him, anyway. Cruz and Rubio would humiliate themselves by even trying, and given their ages, they won't. I do think they've both give it a go against DeSantis.

I also think there's a very good chance you get a Cheney/Someone ticket. Her concession speech did not pull punches - she's going to do everything in her power to make sure Donald Trump is not President again. That's as good as announcing a run in my book. She may try for the GOP nomination, but I think she runs as a independent/3rd party candidate and hands the Dems the White House in '24.

I think the exact opposite, I know many dems and never Trumpers who would vote for Cheney that would never vote for Trump. I see that as a lost vote for the dems. they would vote D if she does not run as an independent I think she gets those votes hurts D more than R

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two thoughts occurred to me this morning:

1. It would be absolutely insane for someone who has already been president, then lost his reelection, to go back and get in the mix again. Have to prove himself up against the Cruzes and Rubios and all them. Seems extra humiliating and weird.

2. If Trump and DeSantis were both in the race, wouldn't they likely split the MAGA vote and leave room for some third candidate to actually get the nom? Someone normal - please gd - or at least normal enough. I don't know who that would be. I guess Hogan is going for it - he seems hopeless to me but this path makes it seem slightly less hopeless.

ly if

Prove himself against the Cruzes and Rubios? Overall, I like the thought process of your post, but also, what are you smoking? Trump crushed Cruz and Rubio and both of them have been huge Trump bootlickers since 2016. They are already crushed. They crushed themselves.

DeSantis might still run against Trump, but only if he can get enough support and assurance that Fox and the like will back him publicly against Trump. Or if the GOP tells Trump they won't pay his legal bills if he runs again so he doesn't run. And there's certainly no guarantee there. The midterms will be an interesting test. If the Republicans lose big in what should historically be a winning year for them then real soul-searching will have to be done. You can't lose the White House, House, Senate, and then lose the House and Senate again and keep going down that path.

And if Dems are able to pick up enough Senate seats to force through court reform, bye bye conservative Supreme Court majority.

I'm not saying that he wouldn't beat Cruz or Rubio - two spectacularly bad candidates, in a cesspool of terrible candidates - but that even having to run against them is humiliating at this point. It's like you were the Olympic gold medalist and now you have to compete in the JV match again, and there's a good chance you'd lose it - or you could retire and just live a very comfortable life without that additional humiliation.

I mean, Trump could have stayed in his golden tower in NYC and none of the issues he's facing now would have ever happened. Any normal person would have been humiliated at all the cringe worthy things he's done, but Trump's not. He isn't capable of shame and doesn't see scrapping with Cruz or Rubio as humiliation - for him, anyway. Cruz and Rubio would humiliate themselves by even trying, and given their ages, they won't. I do think they've both give it a go against DeSantis.

I also think there's a very good chance you get a Cheney/Someone ticket. Her concession speech did not pull punches - she's going to do everything in her power to make sure Donald Trump is not President again. That's as good as announcing a run in my book. She may try for the GOP nomination, but I think she runs as a independent/3rd party candidate and hands the Dems the White House in '24.

I think the exact opposite, I know many dems and never Trumpers who would vote for Cheney that would never vote for Trump. I see that as a lost vote for the dems. they would vote D if she does not run as an independent I think she gets those votes hurts D more than R

I can't think of a historical precedent for that analysis in the modern presidential era, but ok. Actual liberals or Democrats are not going to vote for Liz Cheney.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two thoughts occurred to me this morning:

1. It would be absolutely insane for someone who has already been president, then lost his reelection, to go back and get in the mix again. Have to prove himself up against the Cruzes and Rubios and all them. Seems extra humiliating and weird.

2. If Trump and DeSantis were both in the race, wouldn't they likely split the MAGA vote and leave room for some third candidate to actually get the nom? Someone normal - please gd - or at least normal enough. I don't know who that would be. I guess Hogan is going for it - he seems hopeless to me but this path makes it seem slightly less hopeless.

ly if

Prove himself against the Cruzes and Rubios? Overall, I like the thought process of your post, but also, what are you smoking? Trump crushed Cruz and Rubio and both of them have been huge Trump bootlickers since 2016. They are already crushed. They crushed themselves.

DeSantis might still run against Trump, but only if he can get enough support and assurance that Fox and the like will back him publicly against Trump. Or if the GOP tells Trump they won't pay his legal bills if he runs again so he doesn't run. And there's certainly no guarantee there. The midterms will be an interesting test. If the Republicans lose big in what should historically be a winning year for them then real soul-searching will have to be done. You can't lose the White House, House, Senate, and then lose the House and Senate again and keep going down that path.

And if Dems are able to pick up enough Senate seats to force through court reform, bye bye conservative Supreme Court majority.

FWIW Alex Jones has already endorsed DeSantis.

I don't mean this as a snark on you, but an about to be bankrupt lunatic is not going to carry actual weight with the people in charge. In fact, Jones may screw himself because the true believer Trumpers are 100% loyal to Trump.

That’s true of the hardcore cultists but the rank and file Republicans will fall in line with whoever they nominate. And at this point I’m not sure how large the “Only Trump” voting bloc actually is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two thoughts occurred to me this morning:

1. It would be absolutely insane for someone who has already been president, then lost his reelection, to go back and get in the mix again. Have to prove himself up against the Cruzes and Rubios and all them. Seems extra humiliating and weird.

2. If Trump and DeSantis were both in the race, wouldn't they likely split the MAGA vote and leave room for some third candidate to actually get the nom? Someone normal - please gd - or at least normal enough. I don't know who that would be. I guess Hogan is going for it - he seems hopeless to me but this path makes it seem slightly less hopeless.

ly if

Prove himself against the Cruzes and Rubios? Overall, I like the thought process of your post, but also, what are you smoking? Trump crushed Cruz and Rubio and both of them have been huge Trump bootlickers since 2016. They are already crushed. They crushed themselves.

DeSantis might still run against Trump, but only if he can get enough support and assurance that Fox and the like will back him publicly against Trump. Or if the GOP tells Trump they won't pay his legal bills if he runs again so he doesn't run. And there's certainly no guarantee there. The midterms will be an interesting test. If the Republicans lose big in what should historically be a winning year for them then real soul-searching will have to be done. You can't lose the White House, House, Senate, and then lose the House and Senate again and keep going down that path.

And if Dems are able to pick up enough Senate seats to force through court reform, bye bye conservative Supreme Court majority.

FWIW Alex Jones has already endorsed DeSantis.

I don't mean this as a snark on you, but an about to be bankrupt lunatic is not going to carry actual weight with the people in charge. In fact, Jones may screw himself because the true believer Trumpers are 100% loyal to Trump.

That’s true of the hardcore cultists but the rank and file Republicans will fall in line with whoever they nominate. And at this point I’m not sure how large the “Only Trump” voting bloc actually is.

This is not necessarily true. A significant contributor towards Biden's win was the number of disenfranchised Republicans and right-leaning Independents who felt that the Republican party had completely abandoned them. As Trump's influence waxes again, more and more Republicans (Liz Cheney, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Mitt Romney, Ben Sasse, and the various incumbents ousted by new Trump-supported candidates are feeling like they are now abandoned. These are people who stuck with Trump the last time around, but during the last 2 years, Trump has cast them aside and waged open war on them. Some are the small subset who voted to impeach him, but others are ones who won't go along with the Big Lie. Trump only sees those who are blindly Faithful in their orange god and casts the rest aside. The first round of cast-asides voted against him in 2020 and helped elect Biden. He still has enough influence to win primaries, but I think he's going to find out that he's exiled too many Republicans who are also going to flee the cult. They are going to vote against Trump-backed candidates in 2022 and they will vote against him in 2024.

I believe he has alienated more people than Biden's lackluster stewardship have and I think if we had another head-to-head between them in 2024, that the result will be the same. There will be several million people that vote differently than they did in 2020, but the result will be about the same.

[Anonymous]

Trump CANNOT win a general election against a reasonably decent Democratic candidate who wages a reasonable campaign. There are simply not enough Republicans who would want to vote for him, because with all that's come out since he left office, he has even less of a base than he had against Biden in 2020. I know that base is LOUD. But it's small, and we need to keep it that way.

This doesn't mean Democrats will sail to an easy victory.

Cheney, running as an Independent, can steal votes from centrists of all parties, and it's hard to tell who she might hurt most, Trump or the Democratic nominee. Unless the GOP does an about-turn rapidly, for example, if Trump gets indicted under the Espionage Act and it looks really bad for him, Cheney will not have the support of any Republican fundraising apparatus of note. McConnell, that squelchy toad, has his finger in every money pie and he won't give any of them to Cheney unless he's very sure the tide has turned against Trump.

There is also the problem of Biden. A portion of Democrats do not want him to run. He's a trigger for Republicans, being Trump's direct 2020 rival and with the Hunter/laptop thing (still don't understand that little obsession). I do not see him increasing Democratic chances in 2024. We need an energetic, younger person, and perhaps, heretical thought, someone equally centrist, to fight off the Cheney attraction.

I'm sure all kinds of calculus is being made right now by all interested parties. We'll have to play a nice tight game to get a Democrat in the White House in 2024.

[Anonymous]

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Trump CANNOT win a general election against a reasonably decent Democratic candidate who wages a reasonable campaign. There are simply not enough Republicans who would want to vote for him, because with all that's come out since he left office, he has even less of a base than he had against Biden in 2020. I know that base is LOUD. But it's small, and we need to keep it that way.

This doesn't mean Democrats will sail to an easy victory.

Cheney, running as an Independent, can steal votes from centrists of all parties, and it's hard to tell who she might hurt most, Trump or the Democratic nominee. Unless the GOP does an about-turn rapidly, for example, if Trump gets indicted under the Espionage Act and it looks really bad for him, Cheney will not have the support of any Republican fundraising apparatus of note. McConnell, that squelchy toad, has his finger in every money pie and he won't give any of them to Cheney unless he's very sure the tide has turned against Trump.

There is also the problem of Biden. A portion of Democrats do not want him to run. He's a trigger for Republicans, being Trump's direct 2020 rival and with the Hunter/laptop thing (still don't understand that little obsession). I do not see him increasing Democratic chances in 2024. We need an energetic, younger person, and perhaps, heretical thought, someone equally centrist, to fight off the Cheney attraction.

I'm sure all kinds of calculus is being made right now by all interested parties. We'll have to play a nice tight game to get a Democrat in the White House in 2024.

Agree. In reading this I'm reminded of a conversation I had with an acquaintance back in 2016. Her husband works for some Koch funded think tank in DC and she said they (the Kochs) were kind of "just sitting this one out" as far as the 2016 election. Obviously, the Kochs were going to go along with what was good for them after the election, but they weren't big Trump supporters. I think Cheney's PAC will be heavily funded by them and their interests. Because they realize that the insanity that's going on in the GOP is not good for their interests long-term.

The Democrats definitely have an enthusiasm/candidate issue. I think Biden should wait as long as possible to announce he won't run again. And then that it's a fair fight to get people enthusiastic.

The one wild card that's been injected is abortion. That's definitely having an influence. I think you lose a lot of votes if you still support banning/criminalizing abortion in its entirety or with draconian restrictions. The polling on abortion indicates most Americans were comfortable with a Roe framework and not comfortable with extremes.

[Anonymous]

I’m surprised no one has suggested this yet, but I actually think a DeSantis/Cheney ticket would be the winner (assuming Trump doesn’t run). I think R’s would be shooting themselves in the foot if they nominate Trump again. Like someone said, he will be too old and likely on the edge of dementia by 2024, and the R’s really need a sharp candidate on the debate stage (let’s not forget the embarrassing 2020 Trump-Biden presidential debates (for both R and Ds!))

The Republicans need a fresh start to wash away their tarnished image with this latest J6 and Maralago garbage. DeSantis is on board with most of Trump’s policies (tough on China, secure the boarder, ensure personal freedoms, contain the woke corporations/government), which would appeal to the Trumpers and Republican base. Meanwhile, Cheney would appeal to the democrats left unfulfilled by a bad ticket on the D side because, let’s face it, there’s no one. She provides a sense of security/guarantee that she can keep R’s BS in check in Congress — plus she is a woman, so double whammy. It may actually be a huge step back towards the center, which we desperately need. Any candidate on the left will be controlled by the progressives and will be a huge waste of a vote, IMHO.

Youngkin is great, but too green and would not stand on the international front. I doubt he has the knowledge to address any of our national security concerns abroad. Hogan is ugly and uncharismatic. I total bore and not conservative enough for the Trump base.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised no one has suggested this yet, but I actually think a DeSantis/Cheney ticket would be the winner (assuming Trump doesn’t run). I think R’s would be shooting themselves in the foot if they nominate Trump again. Like someone said, he will be too old and likely on the edge of dementia by 2024, and the R’s really need a sharp candidate on the debate stage (let’s not forget the embarrassing 2020 Trump-Biden presidential debates (for both R and Ds!))

The Republicans need a fresh start to wash away their tarnished image with this latest J6 and Maralago garbage. DeSantis is on board with most of Trump’s policies (tough on China, secure the boarder, ensure personal freedoms, contain the woke corporations/government), which would appeal to the Trumpers and Republican base. Meanwhile, Cheney would appeal to the democrats left unfulfilled by a bad ticket on the D side because, let’s face it, there’s no one. She provides a sense of security/guarantee that she can keep R’s BS in check in Congress — plus she is a woman, so double whammy. It may actually be a huge step back towards the center, which we desperately need. Any candidate on the left will be controlled by the progressives and will be a huge waste of a vote, IMHO.

Youngkin is great, but too green and would not stand on the international front. I doubt he has the knowledge to address any of our national security concerns abroad. Hogan is ugly and uncharismatic. I total bore and not conservative enough for the Trump base.

I'd vote for a DeSantis/Cheney (or vice-versa) ticket. Sounds like a great pairing. And I'd love it Youngkin either ran for Senator or was appointed head of an agency, maybe treasury or commerce. And then a presidential run in the future.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised no one has suggested this yet, but I actually think a DeSantis/Cheney ticket would be the winner (assuming Trump doesn’t run). I think R’s would be shooting themselves in the foot if they nominate Trump again. Like someone said, he will be too old and likely on the edge of dementia by 2024, and the R’s really need a sharp candidate on the debate stage (let’s not forget the embarrassing 2020 Trump-Biden presidential debates (for both R and Ds!))

The Republicans need a fresh start to wash away their tarnished image with this latest J6 and Maralago garbage. DeSantis is on board with most of Trump’s policies (tough on China, secure the boarder, ensure personal freedoms, contain the woke corporations/government), which would appeal to the Trumpers and Republican base. Meanwhile, Cheney would appeal to the democrats left unfulfilled by a bad ticket on the D side because, let’s face it, there’s no one. She provides a sense of security/guarantee that she can keep R’s BS in check in Congress — plus she is a woman, so double whammy. It may actually be a huge step back towards the center, which we desperately need. Any candidate on the left will be controlled by the progressives and will be a huge waste of a vote, IMHO.

Youngkin is great, but too green and would not stand on the international front. I doubt he has the knowledge to address any of our national security concerns abroad. Hogan is ugly and uncharismatic. I total bore and not conservative enough for the Trump base.

I'd vote for a DeSantis/Cheney (or vice-versa) ticket. Sounds like a great pairing. And I'd love it Youngkin either ran for Senator or was appointed head of an agency, maybe treasury or commerce. And then a presidential run in the future.

I don't think DeSantis/Cheney could work because Cheney has pissed off too many MAGAs. DeSantis know that he must pander to this contingent to win and has been very successful in doing so. Teaming up with Cheney would tarnish DeSants's Trumpy credentials that he has been working hard to cultivate. Niki Haley would probably be a safer choice if he is looking to go with a woman.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised no one has suggested this yet, but I actually think a DeSantis/Cheney ticket would be the winner (assuming Trump doesn’t run). I think R’s would be shooting themselves in the foot if they nominate Trump again. Like someone said, he will be too old and likely on the edge of dementia by 2024, and the R’s really need a sharp candidate on the debate stage (let’s not forget the embarrassing 2020 Trump-Biden presidential debates (for both R and Ds!))

The Republicans need a fresh start to wash away their tarnished image with this latest J6 and Maralago garbage. DeSantis is on board with most of Trump’s policies (tough on China, secure the boarder, ensure personal freedoms, contain the woke corporations/government), which would appeal to the Trumpers and Republican base. Meanwhile, Cheney would appeal to the democrats left unfulfilled by a bad ticket on the D side because, let’s face it, there’s no one. She provides a sense of security/guarantee that she can keep R’s BS in check in Congress — plus she is a woman, so double whammy. It may actually be a huge step back towards the center, which we desperately need. Any candidate on the left will be controlled by the progressives and will be a huge waste of a vote, IMHO.

Youngkin is great, but too green and would not stand on the international front. I doubt he has the knowledge to address any of our national security concerns abroad. Hogan is ugly and uncharismatic. I total bore and not conservative enough for the Trump base.

I'd vote for a DeSantis/Cheney (or vice-versa) ticket. Sounds like a great pairing. And I'd love it Youngkin either ran for Senator or was appointed head of an agency, maybe treasury or commerce. And then a presidential run in the future.

I don't think DeSantis/Cheney could work because Cheney has pissed off too many MAGAs. DeSantis know that he must pander to this contingent to win and has been very successful in doing so. Teaming up with Cheney would tarnish DeSants's Trumpy credentials that he has been working hard to cultivate. Niki Haley would probably be a safer choice if he is looking to go with a woman.

Yeah, DeSantis is Trump 2.0. I don't see Cheney aligning herself with him or the Republican base going along with it.

As for this statement:

Meanwhile, Cheney would appeal to the democrats left unfulfilled by a bad ticket on the D side

No. That is not going to happen. And especially not with DeSantis at the top of the ticket.

[Anonymous]

The Republican field is like a puddle at a poorly run slaughterhouse: shallow, fetid and teeming with disease.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised no one has suggested this yet, but I actually think a DeSantis/Cheney ticket would be the winner (assuming Trump doesn’t run). I think R’s would be shooting themselves in the foot if they nominate Trump again. Like someone said, he will be too old and likely on the edge of dementia by 2024, and the R’s really need a sharp candidate on the debate stage (let’s not forget the embarrassing 2020 Trump-Biden presidential debates (for both R and Ds!))

The Republicans need a fresh start to wash away their tarnished image with this latest J6 and Maralago garbage. DeSantis is on board with most of Trump’s policies (tough on China, secure the boarder, ensure personal freedoms, contain the woke corporations/government), which would appeal to the Trumpers and Republican base. Meanwhile, Cheney would appeal to the democrats left unfulfilled by a bad ticket on the D side because, let’s face it, there’s no one. She provides a sense of security/guarantee that she can keep R’s BS in check in Congress — plus she is a woman, so double whammy. It may actually be a huge step back towards the center, which we desperately need. Any candidate on the left will be controlled by the progressives and will be a huge waste of a vote, IMHO.

Youngkin is great, but too green and would not stand on the international front. I doubt he has the knowledge to address any of our national security concerns abroad. Hogan is ugly and uncharismatic. I total bore and not conservative enough for the Trump base.

No one has suggested it because it won't happen. They hate each other.

[Anonymous]

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Trump CANNOT win a general election against a reasonably decent Democratic candidate who wages a reasonable campaign. There are simply not enough Republicans who would want to vote for him, because with all that's come out since he left office, he has even less of a base than he had against Biden in 2020. I know that base is LOUD. But it's small, and we need to keep it that way.

This doesn't mean Democrats will sail to an easy victory.

Cheney, running as an Independent, can steal votes from centrists of all parties, and it's hard to tell who she might hurt most, Trump or the Democratic nominee. Unless the GOP does an about-turn rapidly, for example, if Trump gets indicted under the Espionage Act and it looks really bad for him, Cheney will not have the support of any Republican fundraising apparatus of note. McConnell, that squelchy toad, has his finger in every money pie and he won't give any of them to Cheney unless he's very sure the tide has turned against Trump.

There is also the problem of Biden. A portion of Democrats do not want him to run. He's a trigger for Republicans, being Trump's direct 2020 rival and with the Hunter/laptop thing (still don't understand that little obsession). I do not see him increasing Democratic chances in 2024. We need an energetic, younger person, and perhaps, heretical thought, someone equally centrist, to fight off the Cheney attraction.

I'm sure all kinds of calculus is being made right now by all interested parties. We'll have to play a nice tight game to get a Democrat in the White House in 2024.

Anyone with a D is a "trigger for Republicans." Look how they eat alive women (HRC), PoC (Obama and Harris), Veterans (John Kerry and others), moderates (Biden), progressives (AoC and Warren) . . . it doesn't matter the demographic. Only the letter after the name and then they go scorched earth, whether there is any truth to the torch or not.

[Anonymous]

DeSantis and Cheney might hate each other, but they could
learn to play nice. Cheney is a traitor in Trump supporters’ minds, true, but with Trump gone, DeSantis would be their best bet. Plus we all know VPs have little power (unless your Dick Cheney). Cheney would appeal to RHINO republicans too and centrist democrats. I think it could work.

Who would be a better option for the Dems?