What’s up with Santa Clara?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a top 50 school and it’s Jesuit. What’s not to like?

Is being Jesuit a positive?

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Depends on who you talk to. I'm finding more and more Catholics don't consider it a positive (I'm Catholic.)

Did you take a poll? Or have you decided that because you’re Catholic you can speak for all Catholics?

I didn't say I speak for all Catholics--I didn't even say it's MY opinion. I say that with the Catholics that I talk to, there is not a favorable opinion of Jesuit schools. This is a different attitude from what I encourtered 20-30 years ago.

How many Catholics have you discussed Jesuit education with? You’re talking out your ass and you know it.

Maybe you and your friends are just conservative. I’m Catholic and I would only send my kids to Jesuit schools if they chose a Catholic college because of their value system.

Only? Hum that’s odd. No to Notre Dame

NP. Are you the same person that's been picking fights throughout this thread in the name of conservative Catholicism? I believe you used the Notre Dame example earlier.

I’m not the pp you are quoting, but I have mentioned Notre Dame in this thread. Very telling that you find someone explaining a faith to be “picking fights.”

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a top 50 school and it’s Jesuit. What’s not to like?

Is being Jesuit a positive?

new poster here
Depends on who you talk to. I'm finding more and more Catholics don't consider it a positive (I'm Catholic.)

Did you take a poll? Or have you decided that because you’re Catholic you can speak for all Catholics?

I didn't say I speak for all Catholics--I didn't even say it's MY opinion. I say that with the Catholics that I talk to, there is not a favorable opinion of Jesuit schools. This is a different attitude from what I encourtered 20-30 years ago.

How many Catholics have you discussed Jesuit education with? You’re talking out your ass and you know it.

Maybe you and your friends are just conservative. I’m Catholic and I would only send my kids to Jesuit schools if they chose a Catholic college because of their value system.

Only? Hum that’s odd. No to Notre Dame

NP. Are you the same person that's been picking fights throughout this thread in the name of conservative Catholicism? I believe you used the Notre Dame example earlier.

I’m not the pp you are quoting, but I have mentioned Notre Dame in this thread. Very telling that you find someone explaining a faith to be “picking fights.”

Explaining? You're passing judgment on everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a top 50 school and it’s Jesuit. What’s not to like?

Is being Jesuit a positive?

new poster here
Depends on who you talk to. I'm finding more and more Catholics don't consider it a positive (I'm Catholic.)

Did you take a poll? Or have you decided that because you’re Catholic you can speak for all Catholics?

I didn't say I speak for all Catholics--I didn't even say it's MY opinion. I say that with the Catholics that I talk to, there is not a favorable opinion of Jesuit schools. This is a different attitude from what I encourtered 20-30 years ago.

How many Catholics have you discussed Jesuit education with? You’re talking out your ass and you know it.

Maybe you and your friends are just conservative. I’m Catholic and I would only send my kids to Jesuit schools if they chose a Catholic college because of their value system.

Only? Hum that’s odd. No to Notre Dame

NP. Are you the same person that's been picking fights throughout this thread in the name of conservative Catholicism? I believe you used the Notre Dame example earlier.

I’m not the pp you are quoting, but I have mentioned Notre Dame in this thread. Very telling that you find someone explaining a faith to be “picking fights.”

Explaining? You're passing judgment on everyone.

Hmmm... like the person who claimed I am “talking out of my ass?”

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a top 50 school and it’s Jesuit. What’s not to like?

Is being Jesuit a positive?

If someone said that about a Jewish school, they”d be accused of being anti-Semitic. Catholic hate isn’t cool, PP.

IME most of the Jesuit "hate" is coming from Catholics.

And that makes it OK?

Conservative Catholics often have issues with the more liberal Jesuits.

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown Alum. My senior year I sat next to a retired dean that was a priest and I asked him what is the big deal that the school is Jesuit, because a speaker kept mentioning it. He said the Jesuit colleges promoted learning and scholarship more than other Catholic school orders. There was a group of Jesuit colleges that decided they were going to be more like other universities as part of their core mission of scholarship. The schools weren't going to so focused on Theology, Divinity and Spirituality. The colleges were more for the broader Catholic community and outsiders, vs. training the next generation of priests. Then he went on to say that Georgetown has a large Jewish faculty and student population and its muslim population is growing. He mentioned how they hired a Rabbi for a kosher kitchen and had plans for halal meals, and how they told all muslim students that are more than welcome to their their prayers in the chapel. I was pretty embarrassed I was so ignorant.

So the Jesuit schools are often the ones where you are surprised to learn they are Catholic schools when you first find out. They have a reputation of being liberal and some Catholics really like it and others don't. Honestly, I hadn't a clue. I'm not Catholic and didn't even know Georgetown was a Catholic school until I applied.

It’s funny to me that everything you say about Jesuit teaching is literally against Jesuit teachings. It’s very Jesuit though.

I haven't a clue. This was at an awards dinner for scholarship winners and my sponsor was a no show. So a dean asked this much older man to sit next to me in her place. He was very chatty, though very old. I wish I could remember his name. This was in the mid-90s. He mention something about a meeting a long time ago. He also mentioned how the DC Catholic school system, especially at the elementary level had been basically dominated by poorer and working class black students that were Baptists. Where these parents were scrapping up money to send their kids to these Catholic schools though they weren't Catholic because they wanted a better education in a safer environment for them. How the Archdiocese of DC made a commitment to serve the community, keep the tuition for these schools low, and how important it was. I think a few decades later I heard they turned into DC Charter schools after the Archdiocese couldn't afford them anymore. I just sort of kept thinking how that probably would have crushed him. But he was just trying to give me examples of inclusive they were. I'm a minority, so I am not sure if he was trying too relate with me.

There are still DC Catholic schools serving this population, as well as integrating them into a more heterogeneous environment.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a top 50 school and it’s Jesuit. What’s not to like?

Is being Jesuit a positive?

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Depends on who you talk to. I'm finding more and more Catholics don't consider it a positive (I'm Catholic.)

Did you take a poll? Or have you decided that because you’re Catholic you can speak for all Catholics?

I didn't say I speak for all Catholics--I didn't even say it's MY opinion. I say that with the Catholics that I talk to, there is not a favorable opinion of Jesuit schools. This is a different attitude from what I encourtered 20-30 years ago.

How many Catholics have you discussed Jesuit education with? You’re talking out your ass and you know it.

Maybe you and your friends are just conservative. I’m Catholic and I would only send my kids to Jesuit schools if they chose a Catholic college because of their value system.

Only? Hum that’s odd. No to Notre Dame

NP. Are you the same person that's been picking fights throughout this thread in the name of conservative Catholicism? I believe you used the Notre Dame example earlier.

I’m not the pp you are quoting, but I have mentioned Notre Dame in this thread. Very telling that you find someone explaining a faith to be “picking fights.”

Explaining? You're passing judgment on everyone.

Hmmm... like the person who claimed I am “talking out of my ass?”

Sorry. Wasn't me.

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Where are the parties?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a top 50 school and it’s Jesuit. What’s not to like?

Is being Jesuit a positive?

If someone said that about a Jewish school, they”d be accused of being anti-Semitic. Catholic hate isn’t cool, PP.

It's not hate. Inquiring why that's a positive.

The values, service orientation, & beliefs.

I'm Catholic. If my children were going to go to a Catholic college, I'd look first at Jesuit and Augustinian. Not sure I'd consider others.

Notre Dame isn't good enough for you to consider?

Agree, PP is making a distinction without a difference. Benedictine colleges are great as are Holy Cross, etc.

I suspect PP was making a distinction based on the philosophies of the orders, which are quite different.

If your kid plans to study philosophy, theology, or get really involved in on-campus religious life it is perhaps something to consider but for everyone else I'm not sure why it really matters.

You are very literal. Their philosophy guides the school’s ethos and values. How open are they to other faith traditions? How welcoming are they of LGBTQ+ students? How much do they value open and free discourse? That’s why it matters.

Why should a Catholic school be "open to other faith traditions?" Would you expect a college of any other faith to be "open" like that? Should a Jewish university embrace "pepperoni pizza fridays?" Should a Muslim university encourage students to have a glass of wine with dinner?

The Jesuit philosophy is to be open, to be thoughtful and to question things. So yes, you expect it from a Jesuit school.

And that's exactly why many Catholics are not fans of Jesuit schools. If they are sending their kids to a Catholic school, they are expecting a Catholic education. Not an "open" education.

Well, we agree. If that’s what someone is seeking for their student, a Jesuit school absolutely isn’t for them.

As a Jewish person working at Jesuit institution, I find the engagement with ideas, openness to difference, and emphasis on inquiry really quite inspiring, as do the many Catholics I work with.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a top 50 school and it’s Jesuit. What’s not to like?

Is being Jesuit a positive?

If someone said that about a Jewish school, they”d be accused of being anti-Semitic. Catholic hate isn’t cool, PP.

It's not hate. Inquiring why that's a positive.

The values, service orientation, & beliefs.

I'm Catholic. If my children were going to go to a Catholic college, I'd look first at Jesuit and Augustinian. Not sure I'd consider others.

Notre Dame isn't good enough for you to consider?

Agree, PP is making a distinction without a difference. Benedictine colleges are great as are Holy Cross, etc.

I suspect PP was making a distinction based on the philosophies of the orders, which are quite different.

If your kid plans to study philosophy, theology, or get really involved in on-campus religious life it is perhaps something to consider but for everyone else I'm not sure why it really matters.

You are very literal. Their philosophy guides the school’s ethos and values. How open are they to other faith traditions? How welcoming are they of LGBTQ+ students? How much do they value open and free discourse? That’s why it matters.

Why should a Catholic school be "open to other faith traditions?" Would you expect a college of any other faith to be "open" like that? Should a Jewish university embrace "pepperoni pizza fridays?" Should a Muslim university encourage students to have a glass of wine with dinner?

The Jesuit philosophy is to be open, to be thoughtful and to question things. So yes, you expect it from a Jesuit school.

And that's exactly why many Catholics are not fans of Jesuit schools. If they are sending their kids to a Catholic school, they are expecting a Catholic education. Not an "open" education.

I don't think the two are mutually exclusive...?

-Catholic who sends kids to Catholic school

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a top 50 school and it’s Jesuit. What’s not to like?

Is being Jesuit a positive?

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Depends on who you talk to. I'm finding more and more Catholics don't consider it a positive (I'm Catholic.)

Did you take a poll? Or have you decided that because you’re Catholic you can speak for all Catholics?

I didn't say I speak for all Catholics--I didn't even say it's MY opinion. I say that with the Catholics that I talk to, there is not a favorable opinion of Jesuit schools. This is a different attitude from what I encourtered 20-30 years ago.

How many Catholics have you discussed Jesuit education with? You’re talking out your ass and you know it.

Maybe you and your friends are just conservative. I’m Catholic and I would only send my kids to Jesuit schools if they chose a Catholic college because of their value system.

Only? Hum that’s odd. No to Notre Dame

NP. Are you the same person that's been picking fights throughout this thread in the name of conservative Catholicism? I believe you used the Notre Dame example earlier.

I’m not the pp you are quoting, but I have mentioned Notre Dame in this thread. Very telling that you find someone explaining a faith to be “picking fights.”

Explaining? You're passing judgment on everyone.

Yes! Catholicism in a nutshell!

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a top 50 school and it’s Jesuit. What’s not to like?

Is being Jesuit a positive?

new poster here
Depends on who you talk to. I'm finding more and more Catholics don't consider it a positive (I'm Catholic.)

Did you take a poll? Or have you decided that because you’re Catholic you can speak for all Catholics?

I didn't say I speak for all Catholics--I didn't even say it's MY opinion. I say that with the Catholics that I talk to, there is not a favorable opinion of Jesuit schools. This is a different attitude from what I encourtered 20-30 years ago.

How many Catholics have you discussed Jesuit education with? You’re talking out your ass and you know it.

Maybe you and your friends are just conservative. I’m Catholic and I would only send my kids to Jesuit schools if they chose a Catholic college because of their value system.

Only? Hum that’s odd. No to Notre Dame

NP. Are you the same person that's been picking fights throughout this thread in the name of conservative Catholicism? I believe you used the Notre Dame example earlier.

Nope, I’m the one with the super conservative mom who jokes Jesuit’s are not Catholic.

Are you saying you would not send a kid to Notre Dame but would send them to Boston College. It’s odd to me. Jesuits do have an ethos but it rarely is that much different than other colleges (except crazy ones like AveMaria).

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BC grad again. We used to say that k-12 was for learning about being Catholic. The theology department did so much more for us.

If parents think theology classes in college should just reinforce Catholicism, isn’t that shortsighted? How good were they at teaching their kid about their faith for 18 years if they think exposure to other beliefs would have their kid walking away? Don’t you want them to be an educated person who can respect other faiths?

Fwiw, a lot of Catholics who leave the church leave for either the Episcopal church (Catholic light is the joke) or nothing at all. There’s data on that.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a top 50 school and it’s Jesuit. What’s not to like?

Is being Jesuit a positive?

new poster here
Depends on who you talk to. I'm finding more and more Catholics don't consider it a positive (I'm Catholic.)

Did you take a poll? Or have you decided that because you’re Catholic you can speak for all Catholics?

I didn't say I speak for all Catholics--I didn't even say it's MY opinion. I say that with the Catholics that I talk to, there is not a favorable opinion of Jesuit schools. This is a different attitude from what I encourtered 20-30 years ago.

How many Catholics have you discussed Jesuit education with? You’re talking out your ass and you know it.

Maybe you and your friends are just conservative. I’m Catholic and I would only send my kids to Jesuit schools if they chose a Catholic college because of their value system.

Only? Hum that’s odd. No to Notre Dame

NP. Are you the same person that's been picking fights throughout this thread in the name of conservative Catholicism? I believe you used the Notre Dame example earlier.

I’m not the pp you are quoting, but I have mentioned Notre Dame in this thread. Very telling that you find someone explaining a faith to be “picking fights.”

Explaining? You're passing judgment on everyone.

You say others are “passing judgement “ but you are the one “passing judgement” on non-Jesuit Catholic colleges… like providence college.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a top 50 school and it’s Jesuit. What’s not to like?

Is being Jesuit a positive?

new poster here
Depends on who you talk to. I'm finding more and more Catholics don't consider it a positive (I'm Catholic.)

Did you take a poll? Or have you decided that because you’re Catholic you can speak for all Catholics?

I didn't say I speak for all Catholics--I didn't even say it's MY opinion. I say that with the Catholics that I talk to, there is not a favorable opinion of Jesuit schools. This is a different attitude from what I encourtered 20-30 years ago.

How many Catholics have you discussed Jesuit education with? You’re talking out your ass and you know it.

Maybe you and your friends are just conservative. I’m Catholic and I would only send my kids to Jesuit schools if they chose a Catholic college because of their value system.

Only? Hum that’s odd. No to Notre Dame

NP. Are you the same person that's been picking fights throughout this thread in the name of conservative Catholicism? I believe you used the Notre Dame example earlier.

I’m not the pp you are quoting, but I have mentioned Notre Dame in this thread. Very telling that you find someone explaining a faith to be “picking fights.”

Explaining? You're passing judgment on everyone.

You say others are “passing judgement “ but you are the one “passing judgement” on non-Jesuit Catholic colleges… like providence college.

Nope. Not me. I simply asked why Jesuit was a positive on page 1 of the thread.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a top 50 school and it’s Jesuit. What’s not to like?

Is being Jesuit a positive?

new poster here
Depends on who you talk to. I'm finding more and more Catholics don't consider it a positive (I'm Catholic.)

Did you take a poll? Or have you decided that because you’re Catholic you can speak for all Catholics?

I didn't say I speak for all Catholics--I didn't even say it's MY opinion. I say that with the Catholics that I talk to, there is not a favorable opinion of Jesuit schools. This is a different attitude from what I encourtered 20-30 years ago.

How many Catholics have you discussed Jesuit education with? You’re talking out your ass and you know it.

Maybe you and your friends are just conservative. I’m Catholic and I would only send my kids to Jesuit schools if they chose a Catholic college because of their value system.

Only? Hum that’s odd. No to Notre Dame

NP. Are you the same person that's been picking fights throughout this thread in the name of conservative Catholicism? I believe you used the Notre Dame example earlier.

I’m not the pp you are quoting, but I have mentioned Notre Dame in this thread. Very telling that you find someone explaining a faith to be “picking fights.”

Explaining? You're passing judgment on everyone.

You say others are “passing judgement “ but you are the one “passing judgement” on non-Jesuit Catholic colleges… like providence college.

Nope. Not me. I simply asked why Jesuit was a positive on page 1 of the thread.

Do people saying “it’s a positive” over other Catholics are “passing judgement “