What’s up with Santa Clara?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a top 50 school and it’s Jesuit. What’s not to like?

Is being Jesuit a positive?

If someone said that about a Jewish school, they”d be accused of being anti-Semitic. Catholic hate isn’t cool, PP.

It's not hate. Inquiring why that's a positive.

The values, service orientation, & beliefs.

I'm Catholic. If my children were going to go to a Catholic college, I'd look first at Jesuit and Augustinian. Not sure I'd consider others.

Notre Dame isn't good enough for you to consider?

Agree, PP is making a distinction without a difference. Benedictine colleges are great as are Holy Cross, etc.

I suspect PP was making a distinction based on the philosophies of the orders, which are quite different.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a top 50 school and it’s Jesuit. What’s not to like?

Is being Jesuit a positive?

If someone said that about a Jewish school, they”d be accused of being anti-Semitic. Catholic hate isn’t cool, PP.

It's not hate. Inquiring why that's a positive.

The values, service orientation, & beliefs.

I'm Catholic. If my children were going to go to a Catholic college, I'd look first at Jesuit and Augustinian. Not sure I'd consider others.

Notre Dame isn't good enough for you to consider?

Agree, PP is making a distinction without a difference. Benedictine colleges are great as are Holy Cross, etc.

I suspect PP was making a distinction based on the philosophies of the orders, which are quite different.

If your kid plans to study philosophy, theology, or get really involved in on-campus religious life it is perhaps something to consider but for everyone else I'm not sure why it really matters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a top 50 school and it’s Jesuit. What’s not to like?

Is being Jesuit a positive?

For the rising population of liberal Catholics, yes

[Anonymous]

It has a beautiful campus in a great area and gives decent aid. I would have applied but I'm not ready to leave the East Coast

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown Alum. My senior year I sat next to a retired dean that was a priest and I asked him what is the big deal that the school is Jesuit, because a speaker kept mentioning it. He said the Jesuit colleges promoted learning and scholarship more than other Catholic school orders. There was a group of Jesuit colleges that decided they were going to be more like other universities as part of their core mission of scholarship. The schools weren't going to so focused on Theology, Divinity and Spirituality. The colleges were more for the broader Catholic community and outsiders, vs. training the next generation of priests. Then he went on to say that Georgetown has a large Jewish faculty and student population and its muslim population is growing. He mentioned how they hired a Rabbi for a kosher kitchen and had plans for halal meals, and how they told all muslim students that are more than welcome to their their prayers in the chapel. I was pretty embarrassed I was so ignorant.

So the Jesuit schools are often the ones where you are surprised to learn they are Catholic schools when you first find out. They have a reputation of being liberal and some Catholics really like it and others don't. Honestly, I hadn't a clue. I'm not Catholic and didn't even know Georgetown was a Catholic school until I applied.

It’s funny to me that everything you say about Jesuit teaching is literally against Jesuit teachings. It’s very Jesuit though.

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BC grad here. I had no idea some Catholics didn’t like Jesuit colleges. That is wild to me.

Anyway, Santa Clara is a beautiful school. I personally wouldn’t want to be THAT far from home and would look at the many options closer if a Jesuit education was the interest.

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown Alum. My senior year I sat next to a retired dean that was a priest and I asked him what is the big deal that the school is Jesuit, because a speaker kept mentioning it. He said the Jesuit colleges promoted learning and scholarship more than other Catholic school orders. There was a group of Jesuit colleges that decided they were going to be more like other universities as part of their core mission of scholarship. The schools weren't going to so focused on Theology, Divinity and Spirituality. The colleges were more for the broader Catholic community and outsiders, vs. training the next generation of priests. Then he went on to say that Georgetown has a large Jewish faculty and student population and its muslim population is growing. He mentioned how they hired a Rabbi for a kosher kitchen and had plans for halal meals, and how they told all muslim students that are more than welcome to their their prayers in the chapel. I was pretty embarrassed I was so ignorant.

So the Jesuit schools are often the ones where you are surprised to learn they are Catholic schools when you first find out. They have a reputation of being liberal and some Catholics really like it and others don't. Honestly, I hadn't a clue. I'm not Catholic and didn't even know Georgetown was a Catholic school until I applied.

It’s funny to me that everything you say about Jesuit teaching is literally against Jesuit teachings. It’s very Jesuit though.

I haven't a clue. This was at an awards dinner for scholarship winners and my sponsor was a no show. So a dean asked this much older man to sit next to me in her place. He was very chatty, though very old. I wish I could remember his name. This was in the mid-90s. He mention something about a meeting a long time ago. He also mentioned how the DC Catholic school system, especially at the elementary level had been basically dominated by poorer and working class black students that were Baptists. Where these parents were scrapping up money to send their kids to these Catholic schools though they weren't Catholic because they wanted a better education in a safer environment for them. How the Archdiocese of DC made a commitment to serve the community, keep the tuition for these schools low, and how important it was. I think a few decades later I heard they turned into DC Charter schools after the Archdiocese couldn't afford them anymore. I just sort of kept thinking how that probably would have crushed him. But he was just trying to give me examples of inclusive they were. I'm a minority, so I am not sure if he was trying too relate with me.

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Anonymous wrote:BC grad here. I had no idea some Catholics didn’t like Jesuit colleges. That is wild to me.

Anyway, Santa Clara is a beautiful school. I personally wouldn’t want to be THAT far from home and would look at the many options closer if a Jesuit education was the interest.

When I grew up, there were Catholics that were not happy about the Vatican II reforms. I remember there were these small, very conservative Catholic colleges. I can't remember the names. I know that guy that owns Little Caesars upon a new one in Florida called Ave Maria.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a top 50 school and it’s Jesuit. What’s not to like?

Is being Jesuit a positive?

new poster here
Depends on who you talk to. I'm finding more and more Catholics don't consider it a positive (I'm Catholic.)

Conservative/“traditional” Catholics, perhaps. Jesuit schools tend to be more progressive, with a strong emphasis on social justice, open dialogue, and free inquiry. So, for example, they’ll allow pro-reproductive rights speakers to be invited to campus, might have an LGBTQ+ center, etc.

Bingo. They're a religious order that has always prized education. So you get the strong social justice component of Catholicism, along with full love and inclusion of LGBTQ people. They REALLY encourage critical thinking and avid discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown Alum. My senior year I sat next to a retired dean that was a priest and I asked him what is the big deal that the school is Jesuit, because a speaker kept mentioning it. He said the Jesuit colleges promoted learning and scholarship more than other Catholic school orders. There was a group of Jesuit colleges that decided they were going to be more like other universities as part of their core mission of scholarship. The schools weren't going to so focused on Theology, Divinity and Spirituality. The colleges were more for the broader Catholic community and outsiders, vs. training the next generation of priests. Then he went on to say that Georgetown has a large Jewish faculty and student population and its muslim population is growing. He mentioned how they hired a Rabbi for a kosher kitchen and had plans for halal meals, and how they told all muslim students that are more than welcome to their their prayers in the chapel. I was pretty embarrassed I was so ignorant.

So the Jesuit schools are often the ones where you are surprised to learn they are Catholic schools when you first find out. They have a reputation of being liberal and some Catholics really like it and others don't. Honestly, I hadn't a clue. I'm not Catholic and didn't even know Georgetown was a Catholic school until I applied.

It’s funny to me that everything you say about Jesuit teaching is literally against Jesuit teachings. It’s very Jesuit though.

I haven't a clue. This was at an awards dinner for scholarship winners and my sponsor was a no show. So a dean asked this much older man to sit next to me in her place. He was very chatty, though very old. I wish I could remember his name. This was in the mid-90s. He mention something about a meeting a long time ago. He also mentioned how the DC Catholic school system, especially at the elementary level had been basically dominated by poorer and working class black students that were Baptists. Where these parents were scrapping up money to send their kids to these Catholic schools though they weren't Catholic because they wanted a better education in a safer environment for them. How the Archdiocese of DC made a commitment to serve the community, keep the tuition for these schools low, and how important it was. I think a few decades later I heard they turned into DC Charter schools after the Archdiocese couldn't afford them anymore. I just sort of kept thinking how that probably would have crushed him. But he was just trying to give me examples of inclusive they were. I'm a minority, so I am not sure if he was trying too relate with me.

His glory days version is not reality. Seen Hoop Dreams?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a top 50 school and it’s Jesuit. What’s not to like?

Is being Jesuit a positive?

new poster here
Depends on who you talk to. I'm finding more and more Catholics don't consider it a positive (I'm Catholic.)

Conservative/“traditional” Catholics, perhaps. Jesuit schools tend to be more progressive, with a strong emphasis on social justice, open dialogue, and free inquiry. So, for example, they’ll allow pro-reproductive rights speakers to be invited to campus, might have an LGBTQ+ center, etc.

Bingo. They're a religious order that has always prized education. So you get the strong social justice component of Catholicism, along with full love and inclusion of LGBTQ people. They REALLY encourage critical thinking and avid discussion.

I theory but rarely in practice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:BC grad here. I had no idea some Catholics didn’t like Jesuit colleges. That is wild to me.

Anyway, Santa Clara is a beautiful school. I personally wouldn’t want to be THAT far from home and would look at the many options closer if a Jesuit education was the interest.

When I grew up, there were Catholics that were not happy about the Vatican II reforms. I remember there were these small, very conservative Catholic colleges. I can't remember the names. I know that guy that owns Little Caesars upon a new one in Florida called Ave Maria.

The Cardinal Newman Society has a list of recommended colleges, it includes Ave Maria, Catholic University, Christendom (in Front Royal, VA) and several others.

https://newmansociety.org/college/

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown Alum. My senior year I sat next to a retired dean that was a priest and I asked him what is the big deal that the school is Jesuit, because a speaker kept mentioning it. He said the Jesuit colleges promoted learning and scholarship more than other Catholic school orders. There was a group of Jesuit colleges that decided they were going to be more like other universities as part of their core mission of scholarship. The schools weren't going to so focused on Theology, Divinity and Spirituality. The colleges were more for the broader Catholic community and outsiders, vs. training the next generation of priests. Then he went on to say that Georgetown has a large Jewish faculty and student population and its muslim population is growing. He mentioned how they hired a Rabbi for a kosher kitchen and had plans for halal meals, and how they told all muslim students that are more than welcome to their their prayers in the chapel. I was pretty embarrassed I was so ignorant.

So the Jesuit schools are often the ones where you are surprised to learn they are Catholic schools when you first find out. They have a reputation of being liberal and some Catholics really like it and others don't. Honestly, I hadn't a clue. I'm not Catholic and didn't even know Georgetown was a Catholic school until I applied.

It’s funny to me that everything you say about Jesuit teaching is literally against Jesuit teachings. It’s very Jesuit though.

I haven't a clue. This was at an awards dinner for scholarship winners and my sponsor was a no show. So a dean asked this much older man to sit next to me in her place. He was very chatty, though very old. I wish I could remember his name. This was in the mid-90s. He mention something about a meeting a long time ago. He also mentioned how the DC Catholic school system, especially at the elementary level had been basically dominated by poorer and working class black students that were Baptists. Where these parents were scrapping up money to send their kids to these Catholic schools though they weren't Catholic because they wanted a better education in a safer environment for them. How the Archdiocese of DC made a commitment to serve the community, keep the tuition for these schools low, and how important it was. I think a few decades later I heard they turned into DC Charter schools after the Archdiocese couldn't afford them anymore. I just sort of kept thinking how that probably would have crushed him. But he was just trying to give me examples of inclusive they were. I'm a minority, so I am not sure if he was trying too relate with me.

His glory days version is not reality. Seen Hoop Dreams?

I have seen Hoop Dreams. I am from Chicago. I believe that type of high school in Hoop Dreams is more akin to like Bishop Ireton in Alexandria. I know there are wealthy Catholic schools in DC like Visitation, Gonzaga. and Prep. I was talking about the majority black elementary schools in the poorer areas of DC. Those have turned into charter schools if they still even exist.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a top 50 school and it’s Jesuit. What’s not to like?

Is being Jesuit a positive?

If someone said that about a Jewish school, they”d be accused of being anti-Semitic. Catholic hate isn’t cool, PP.

It's not hate. Inquiring why that's a positive.

The values, service orientation, & beliefs.

I'm Catholic. If my children were going to go to a Catholic college, I'd look first at Jesuit and Augustinian. Not sure I'd consider others.

Notre Dame isn't good enough for you to consider?

Agree, PP is making a distinction without a difference. Benedictine colleges are great as are Holy Cross, etc.

I suspect PP was making a distinction based on the philosophies of the orders, which are quite different.

If your kid plans to study philosophy, theology, or get really involved in on-campus religious life it is perhaps something to consider but for everyone else I'm not sure why it really matters.

You are very literal. Their philosophy guides the school’s ethos and values. How open are they to other faith traditions? How welcoming are they of LGBTQ+ students? How much do they value open and free discourse? That’s why it matters.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a top 50 school and it’s Jesuit. What’s not to like?

Is being Jesuit a positive?

If someone said that about a Jewish school, they”d be accused of being anti-Semitic. Catholic hate isn’t cool, PP.

It's not hate. Inquiring why that's a positive.

The values, service orientation, & beliefs.

I'm Catholic. If my children were going to go to a Catholic college, I'd look first at Jesuit and Augustinian. Not sure I'd consider others.

Notre Dame isn't good enough for you to consider?

Agree, PP is making a distinction without a difference. Benedictine colleges are great as are Holy Cross, etc.

I suspect PP was making a distinction based on the philosophies of the orders, which are quite different.

If your kid plans to study philosophy, theology, or get really involved in on-campus religious life it is perhaps something to consider but for everyone else I'm not sure why it really matters.

You are very literal. Their philosophy guides the school’s ethos and values. How open are they to other faith traditions? How welcoming are they of LGBTQ+ students? How much do they value open and free discourse? That’s why it matters.

Why should a Catholic school be "open to other faith traditions?" Would you expect a college of any other faith to be "open" like that? Should a Jewish university embrace "pepperoni pizza fridays?" Should a Muslim university encourage students to have a glass of wine with dinner?