Our culture is deeply misogynistic

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many mean women here. We don’t have to do this to ourselves. And to the younger women saying they already know it and what took you so long: talk less and listen more. We know what you’re saying. And we older women are trying to tell you something you are not seeing yet about our culture.

Except young women DO KNOW THIS and that's why the vast majority of young women are feminists who are constantly getting bashed by older women for being "snowflakes". I honestly dont know why your generations are so stupid that you didnt figure this stuff out earlier. I mean honestly- not trying to be mean, but come on. You guys dragged your feet about women's rights for YEARS trying to suck up to men, trying to be the cool girl. And it totally backfired.

The thing is you guys allowed so much sexual predation and BS from men towards all kinds of women for so long. In my book, that's karma. You reap what you sow.

I have no sympathy towards y'all. Towards Gen Z women having to deal with the boomer sexual predator types that you all enabled to run amok? Yes, I have all the sympathy in the world for them and will continue to stand with them. Towards you guys, who gaslit us over #MeToo, victim blamed us, and attacked us? Absolutely TF NOT. LOL. You guys must be joking.

Take your own advice and "stop whining and being a snowflake".

You seriously blame women for men's actions? And WE are the sexist ones?!?! Girl, you've got a lot to learn.

I do, when women enable men and stand by their horrific behavior, as sooooo many boomer women have. Katie Couric and Matt Lauer being a fantastic example of the typical boomer/Gen X "look the other way while my colleague preys on young women" mentality.

Now I guess the shoe's on the other foot, so enjoy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many mean women here. We don’t have to do this to ourselves. And to the younger women saying they already know it and what took you so long: talk less and listen more. We know what you’re saying. And we older women are trying to tell you something you are not seeing yet about our culture.

Except young women DO KNOW THIS and that's why the vast majority of young women are feminists who are constantly getting bashed by older women for being "snowflakes". I honestly dont know why your generations are so stupid that you didnt figure this stuff out earlier. I mean honestly- not trying to be mean, but come on. You guys dragged your feet about women's rights for YEARS trying to suck up to men, trying to be the cool girl. And it totally backfired.

The thing is you guys allowed so much sexual predation and BS from men towards all kinds of women for so long. In my book, that's karma. You reap what you sow.

I have no sympathy towards y'all. Towards Gen Z women having to deal with the boomer sexual predator types that you all enabled to run amok? Yes, I have all the sympathy in the world for them and will continue to stand with them. Towards you guys, who gaslit us over #MeToo, victim blamed us, and attacked us? Absolutely TF NOT. LOL. You guys must be joking.

Take your own advice and "stop whining and being a snowflake".

What’s so sad is you are more misogynistic than most men.

Good luck when you are older and the next generation of women turns on you with their own brand of vitriol. I hope for your sake the cycle has broken by then, but I doubt it.

Meanwhile, you sound very angry and sad and lonely and perhaps therapy can help. It’s not too late to learn to see older women as real people with both flaws and wonderful gifts as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a young woman, I think us millennial and Gen Z women have been pointing this out for years and mostly got routinely mocked by older women who called us snowflakes and such. So *shrug*- I would feel way more for older women had they done more to protect younger women and change things for us and supported us in this fight. But now I feel like you guys have to be on your own, because for years men have preyed on younger women and mostly your generation was totally silent and if anything enabled things.

Sorry, but that's just how I feel. Not a lot of tolerance for boomer or Gen X women at this point in my life. Actally IME women of an older generation (the one before yours) fought harder and were more protective of young women than your generation ever was.

So... chickens come home to roost. Oh well.

The millennial and Gen Z women are sexualising themselves far more than any other generation in history. I now see younger women as objects far more now than ever before. You are asking the previous generation to fix up a problem that has been around a lot longer than that of one generation and I can assure you, that the millennials and gen Z women will do nothing as well. In fact I see future generations of women with extreme mental health issues and body image issues as they struggle to continue the strict image status that is now upon younger women. The body must be perfect, make up perfected every day, wearing designer clothes, successful in every facet of life. This is hard to pull off and the pressure to maintain this throughout life will surely end up taking its toll. That is what your generation will pass on to younger females, to continue striving to be gorgeous for the male gaze, in essence you are adding to the misogyny.

I was never overly attractive so I saw the difference much younger however the one thing that has shocked me as I have aged is the misogyny from younger women. I always knew men hated older women but I never expected to see that from women. I see that women today have far more opportunities than ever before and a lot of great women take those opportunities but a lot of young women just see their looks as being paramount, at a time when they could do anything it seems all they care about is their looks which in essence is what men have said is the most important thing about women. Younger women can't see this and as they take off their clothes thinking they are empowering themselves they are in reality giving men what they want and doing what men have told them to do. Its not empowering, I just see it as extremely sad especially for future generations.

This is your opinion, and tbh it's a very small subset of the population. TBH the fact that you would blame young women for this, and in the same breath beg for sympathy when you live in a world YOU CREATED, is kind of comical and rich.

Millennial and gen z women have had to do all the heavy lifting with MeToo and sexual assault issues. The stuff I see older women excuse is truly appalling. And you want to focus on lip filler? LOL, I'm sorry, but you guys sound so stupid.

This is why I just cant deal with boomer and gen X women. They just seem so culturally out of it and just silly. It's kind of sad. Good luck guys.

Good grief. I just did a spit take. You sound so entitled and spoiled. You have absolutely no idea, clearly, of the crap aka heavy lifting the women before you had to deal with. Only when we faced sexual assault and harassment and reported it, no one cared. Get that? It wasn’t even illegal half the time. When I was growing up, it was still legal to beat and rape your wife.

[Anonymous]

OP is just bitter because men aren't looking at her any more. Too bad so sad!

[Anonymous]

Because we all know that we live for attention from men.

Please!

[Anonymous]

DCUM relationship forum: 900 threads with 10,000 posts on Why Men Are Incompetent Lazy Untrustworthy Whining Manbabies And Everything Is Their Fault

DCUM midlife forum: the real problem is that our culture is deeply misogynistic

Oooohhhhhhkay then.

[Anonymous]

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Very true, but please remind yourself that as an American, you're living in one of the least misogynist countries of the world.

You are delusional.

--European

Another European here and I couldn't agree more. It's usually Americans who have no idea about the rest of the world and much more progressive countries that say stuff like this.

[Anonymous]

Count yourself lucky, OP. I realized at 16 when my female, pregnant math teacher asked me how come I was so good at math given that i was a girl. She wasn't joking either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Very true, but please remind yourself that as an American, you're living in one of the least misogynist countries of the world.

You are delusional.

--European

Another European here and I couldn't agree more. It's usually Americans who have no idea about the rest of the world and much more progressive countries that say stuff like this.

Shh, you can't talk to Americans that way. They know what they don't know and this ain't it.

/sarcasm

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP is just bitter because men aren't looking at her any more. Too bad so sad!

Not bitter, actually very content and happily married! But not being subjected to the male gaze has allowed me to do more looking myself and what I have seen has really surprised me. I called myself a feminist before but I truly truly had no idea how deeply wacked our culture is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP is just bitter because men aren't looking at her any more. Too bad so sad!

Not bitter, actually very content and happily married! But not being subjected to the male gaze has allowed me to do more looking myself and what I have seen has really surprised me. I called myself a feminist before but I truly truly had no idea how deeply wacked our culture is.

What changed was you. You are mad at "our culture" because you're no longer "subjected to the male gaze" and therefore you have decided that "the male gaze" is bad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP is just bitter because men aren't looking at her any more. Too bad so sad!

Not bitter, actually very content and happily married! But not being subjected to the male gaze has allowed me to do more looking myself and what I have seen has really surprised me. I called myself a feminist before but I truly truly had no idea how deeply wacked our culture is.

What changed was you. You are mad at "our culture" because you're no longer "subjected to the male gaze" and therefore you have decided that "the male gaze" is bad.

You sound like a man. Or a woman who has never experienced the male gaze. OP is not describing a pleasant state of being. It is exhausting. We all change right? We all get older. Some changes let us see things we didn’t see before. Should you be mocking or deriding an older woman because she has noticed something you find unpalatable?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a young woman, I think us millennial and Gen Z women have been pointing this out for years and mostly got routinely mocked by older women who called us snowflakes and such. So *shrug*- I would feel way more for older women had they done more to protect younger women and change things for us and supported us in this fight. But now I feel like you guys have to be on your own, because for years men have preyed on younger women and mostly your generation was totally silent and if anything enabled things.

Sorry, but that's just how I feel. Not a lot of tolerance for boomer or Gen X women at this point in my life. Actally IME women of an older generation (the one before yours) fought harder and were more protective of young women than your generation ever was.

So... chickens come home to roost. Oh well.

The millennial and Gen Z women are sexualising themselves far more than any other generation in history. I now see younger women as objects far more now than ever before. You are asking the previous generation to fix up a problem that has been around a lot longer than that of one generation and I can assure you, that the millennials and gen Z women will do nothing as well. In fact I see future generations of women with extreme mental health issues and body image issues as they struggle to continue the strict image status that is now upon younger women. The body must be perfect, make up perfected every day, wearing designer clothes, successful in every facet of life. This is hard to pull off and the pressure to maintain this throughout life will surely end up taking its toll. That is what your generation will pass on to younger females, to continue striving to be gorgeous for the male gaze, in essence you are adding to the misogyny.

I was never overly attractive so I saw the difference much younger however the one thing that has shocked me as I have aged is the misogyny from younger women. I always knew men hated older women but I never expected to see that from women. I see that women today have far more opportunities than ever before and a lot of great women take those opportunities but a lot of young women just see their looks as being paramount, at a time when they could do anything it seems all they care about is their looks which in essence is what men have said is the most important thing about women. Younger women can't see this and as they take off their clothes thinking they are empowering themselves they are in reality giving men what they want and doing what men have told them to do. Its not empowering, I just see it as extremely sad especially for future generations.

I don't necessarily think it is a generational thing. I see older women doing the same thing. I do think the hookup culture is something the men want and enjoy more. Women have been brainwashed into thinking that's independence, freedom and empowerment. Porn is fueling this behavior as well IMO. The minute I get a whiff of a man objectifying me, I'm out. Just getting a vibe are the good encounters. The one's where they say "I'd liked to take you to motel and drill you", that shit used to throw me and it was younger guys, too They must think older women are desperate or have magic powers (going with the magic). My comeback now is (used it twice), "Let's have lunch tomorrow and talk some more." Oh the horror! LOL

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder...the OP is discussing the ageing woman.

She said she notices it now because she's not as watched and can be a watcher. I noticed this sh1t when I was a preschooler and saw how men acted to my beautiful mother. Maybe I'm more observant or maybe op is sad to not be as watched as before? I'm close to her age and I look for the good in people. If you're constantly looking for sh1theads, that's what you'll see and the world is full of them. If you look for people doing good works and women and girls succeeding and achieving greatness, your world is going to be inspiring.

I think some women who are really attractive think men are nice to them for reasons other than their looks. (Like the women who say it’s so much easier to be “friends” with guys, um, that’s cause they’re trying to get in your pants....) When they lose those looks, and have to adjust to men treating them dismissively as not particularly attractive middle aged women, they see the sexism more clearly.

I agree, I’ve realized this since I was a kid. But I was pretty awkward till my mid twenties.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many mean women here. We don’t have to do this to ourselves. And to the younger women saying they already know it and what took you so long: talk less and listen more. We know what you’re saying. And we older women are trying to tell you something you are not seeing yet about our culture.

Except young women DO KNOW THIS and that's why the vast majority of young women are feminists who are constantly getting bashed by older women for being "snowflakes". I honestly dont know why your generations are so stupid that you didnt figure this stuff out earlier. I mean honestly- not trying to be mean, but come on. You guys dragged your feet about women's rights for YEARS trying to suck up to men, trying to be the cool girl. And it totally backfired.

The thing is you guys allowed so much sexual predation and BS from men towards all kinds of women for so long. In my book, that's karma. You reap what you sow.

I have no sympathy towards y'all. Towards Gen Z women having to deal with the boomer sexual predator types that you all enabled to run amok? Yes, I have all the sympathy in the world for them and will continue to stand with them. Towards you guys, who gaslit us over #MeToo, victim blamed us, and attacked us? Absolutely TF NOT. LOL. You guys must be joking.

Take your own advice and "stop whining and being a snowflake".

Omg so that's why young women today flock to only fans or use their body to sell active wear. They don't need to show pic after pic of themselves in a bikini. Just look at insta. So who exactly is trying to get male attention and be the cool girls still. Oh your generation.