Our culture is deeply misogynistic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a young woman, I think us millennial and Gen Z women have been pointing this out for years and mostly got routinely mocked by older women who called us snowflakes and such. So *shrug*- I would feel way more for older women had they done more to protect younger women and change things for us and supported us in this fight. But now I feel like you guys have to be on your own, because for years men have preyed on younger women and mostly your generation was totally silent and if anything enabled things.

Sorry, but that's just how I feel. Not a lot of tolerance for boomer or Gen X women at this point in my life. Actally IME women of an older generation (the one before yours) fought harder and were more protective of young women than your generation ever was.

So... chickens come home to roost. Oh well.

The millennial and Gen Z women are sexualising themselves far more than any other generation in history. I now see younger women as objects far more now than ever before. You are asking the previous generation to fix up a problem that has been around a lot longer than that of one generation and I can assure you, that the millennials and gen Z women will do nothing as well. In fact I see future generations of women with extreme mental health issues and body image issues as they struggle to continue the strict image status that is now upon younger women. The body must be perfect, make up perfected every day, wearing designer clothes, successful in every facet of life. This is hard to pull off and the pressure to maintain this throughout life will surely end up taking its toll. That is what your generation will pass on to younger females, to continue striving to be gorgeous for the male gaze, in essence you are adding to the misogyny.

I was never overly attractive so I saw the difference much younger however the one thing that has shocked me as I have aged is the misogyny from younger women. I always knew men hated older women but I never expected to see that from women. I see that women today have far more opportunities than ever before and a lot of great women take those opportunities but a lot of young women just see their looks as being paramount, at a time when they could do anything it seems all they care about is their looks which in essence is what men have said is the most important thing about women. Younger women can't see this and as they take off their clothes thinking they are empowering themselves they are in reality giving men what they want and doing what men have told them to do. Its not empowering, I just see it as extremely sad especially for future generations.

How about all of the SICK cosmetic surgery. Injecting fillers into your lips and botulism into your face!

Very sad and sick.

[Anonymous]

Well, the guy who drove into the parade last night drove OVER his female partner three weeks ago.

Still he was out free, to carry out another crime that killed five people and injured almost 20 kids. Now they will care. But when it was just his female partner. No big deal.

[Anonymous]

I am a female witness in an EEO complaint of a female complaining of sexism by another female - totally real and absolutely should not be ignored or brushed off.

[Anonymous]

So many mean women here. We don’t have to do this to ourselves. And to the younger women saying they already know it and what took you so long: talk less and listen more. We know what you’re saying. And we older women are trying to tell you something you are not seeing yet about our culture.

[Anonymous]

Younger women have absolutely no idea what’s about to hit them when they hit their 50s. No idea. You may think you’re wise and onto the patriarchy. You have no idea what we’re seeing that you aren’t yet. You are blind … the worst kind of the blind because you think you aren’t.

[Anonymous]

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Very true, but please remind yourself that as an American, you're living in one of the least misogynist countries of the world.

No I think western countries are the some of the worst. If you look at Italian villages, a lot of them include the elderly. They have village/town celebrations and everyone is included, there is value in the older generation including women which has been studied and shown to add value to their life. Within other European/Asian cultures its the same, there is value there, not so in western culture.

Western culture values youth and appearance above all else. Even the females have misogynist attitudes and they don't even realise it, its so ingrained in them. The younger women show disdain towards the older females just as much as men without realising it will be them in a few years. Females show disdain toward other females if they aren't as attractive. Its really sad.

I just listened to a co-worker describing her friends life which sounded like something out of 50 shades of grey. This woman has long hair, wears tight clothing, wears heels, talks about how she has to clean excessively and is a whore in the bedroom. The men love it, its all tick, tick, tick, what men want in a woman. No America is not the least misogynist, its one of the worst.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Very true, but please remind yourself that as an American, you're living in one of the least misogynist countries of the world.

No I think western countries are the some of the worst. If you look at Italian villages, a lot of them include the elderly. They have village/town celebrations and everyone is included, there is value in the older generation including women which has been studied and shown to add value to their life. Within other European/Asian cultures its the same, there is value there, not so in western culture.

Western culture values youth and appearance above all else. Even the females have misogynist attitudes and they don't even realise it, its so ingrained in them. The younger women show disdain towards the older females just as much as men without realising it will be them in a few years. Females show disdain toward other females if they aren't as attractive. Its really sad.

I just listened to a co-worker describing her friends life which sounded like something out of 50 shades of grey. This woman has long hair, wears tight clothing, wears heels, talks about how she has to clean excessively and is a whore in the bedroom. The men love it, its all tick, tick, tick, what men want in a woman. No America is not the least misogynist, its one of the worst.

Totally agree. I'm an American and it took me decades to see this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, the guy who drove into the parade last night drove OVER his female partner three weeks ago.

Still he was out free, to carry out another crime that killed five people and injured almost 20 kids. Now they will care. But when it was just his female partner. No big deal.

This. It was “just a domestic/personal issue.” Now that’s it’s affected real people, society is horrified.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, the guy who drove into the parade last night drove OVER his female partner three weeks ago.

Still he was out free, to carry out another crime that killed five people and injured almost 20 kids. Now they will care. But when it was just his female partner. No big deal.

And the guy who raped three girls pleaded guilty and still walked.

Another didn't get jailed because the woman he raped didn't seem sufficiently mentally distressed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Very true, but please remind yourself that as an American, you're living in one of the least misogynist countries of the world.

No I think western countries are the some of the worst. If you look at Italian villages, a lot of them include the elderly. They have village/town celebrations and everyone is included, there is value in the older generation including women which has been studied and shown to add value to their life. Within other European/Asian cultures its the same, there is value there, not so in western culture.

Western culture values youth and appearance above all else. Even the females have misogynist attitudes and they don't even realise it, its so ingrained in them. The younger women show disdain towards the older females just as much as men without realising it will be them in a few years. Females show disdain toward other females if they aren't as attractive. Its really sad.

I just listened to a co-worker describing her friends life which sounded like something out of 50 shades of grey. This woman has long hair, wears tight clothing, wears heels, talks about how she has to clean excessively and is a whore in the bedroom. The men love it, its all tick, tick, tick, what men want in a woman. No America is not the least misogynist, its one of the worst.

Totally agree. I'm an American and it took me decades to see this.

I remember reacting in a college class when a fully primped up white woman talked about the way hijab-wearing women were oppressed and that even if they CHOSE to dress that way, they had given in to male oppression. I pointed out that women everywhere do this, the standards of what is desired is just different. She COULD not see that she was subject to the same kind of brainwashing, even if the resulting look was different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Very true, but please remind yourself that as an American, you're living in one of the least misogynist countries of the world.

No I think western countries are the some of the worst. If you look at Italian villages, a lot of them include the elderly. They have village/town celebrations and everyone is included, there is value in the older generation including women which has been studied and shown to add value to their life. Within other European/Asian cultures its the same, there is value there, not so in western culture.

Western culture values youth and appearance above all else. Even the females have misogynist attitudes and they don't even realise it, its so ingrained in them. The younger women show disdain towards the older females just as much as men without realising it will be them in a few years. Females show disdain toward other females if they aren't as attractive. Its really sad.

I just listened to a co-worker describing her friends life which sounded like something out of 50 shades of grey. This woman has long hair, wears tight clothing, wears heels, talks about how she has to clean excessively and is a whore in the bedroom. The men love it, its all tick, tick, tick, what men want in a woman. No America is not the least misogynist, its one of the worst.

Totally agree. I'm an American and it took me decades to see this.

I remember reacting in a college class when a fully primped up white woman talked about the way hijab-wearing women were oppressed and that even if they CHOSE to dress that way, they had given in to male oppression. I pointed out that women everywhere do this, the standards of what is desired is just different. She COULD not see that she was subject to the same kind of brainwashing, even if the resulting look was different.

Totally agree. One culture wants its women to look like Barbie prostitutes and the other wants it’s women to look like nuns. It’s all about what the men want, and the women comply. Why so many rules about what we should wear?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a young woman, I think us millennial and Gen Z women have been pointing this out for years and mostly got routinely mocked by older women who called us snowflakes and such. So *shrug*- I would feel way more for older women had they done more to protect younger women and change things for us and supported us in this fight. But now I feel like you guys have to be on your own, because for years men have preyed on younger women and mostly your generation was totally silent and if anything enabled things.

Sorry, but that's just how I feel. Not a lot of tolerance for boomer or Gen X women at this point in my life. Actally IME women of an older generation (the one before yours) fought harder and were more protective of young women than your generation ever was.

So... chickens come home to roost. Oh well.

The millennial and Gen Z women are sexualising themselves far more than any other generation in history. I now see younger women as objects far more now than ever before. You are asking the previous generation to fix up a problem that has been around a lot longer than that of one generation and I can assure you, that the millennials and gen Z women will do nothing as well. In fact I see future generations of women with extreme mental health issues and body image issues as they struggle to continue the strict image status that is now upon younger women. The body must be perfect, make up perfected every day, wearing designer clothes, successful in every facet of life. This is hard to pull off and the pressure to maintain this throughout life will surely end up taking its toll. That is what your generation will pass on to younger females, to continue striving to be gorgeous for the male gaze, in essence you are adding to the misogyny.

I was never overly attractive so I saw the difference much younger however the one thing that has shocked me as I have aged is the misogyny from younger women. I always knew men hated older women but I never expected to see that from women. I see that women today have far more opportunities than ever before and a lot of great women take those opportunities but a lot of young women just see their looks as being paramount, at a time when they could do anything it seems all they care about is their looks which in essence is what men have said is the most important thing about women. Younger women can't see this and as they take off their clothes thinking they are empowering themselves they are in reality giving men what they want and doing what men have told them to do. Its not empowering, I just see it as extremely sad especially for future generations.

This is your opinion, and tbh it's a very small subset of the population. TBH the fact that you would blame young women for this, and in the same breath beg for sympathy when you live in a world YOU CREATED, is kind of comical and rich.

Millennial and gen z women have had to do all the heavy lifting with MeToo and sexual assault issues. The stuff I see older women excuse is truly appalling. And you want to focus on lip filler? LOL, I'm sorry, but you guys sound so stupid.

This is why I just cant deal with boomer and gen X women. They just seem so culturally out of it and just silly. It's kind of sad. Good luck guys.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many mean women here. We don’t have to do this to ourselves. And to the younger women saying they already know it and what took you so long: talk less and listen more. We know what you’re saying. And we older women are trying to tell you something you are not seeing yet about our culture.

Except young women DO KNOW THIS and that's why the vast majority of young women are feminists who are constantly getting bashed by older women for being "snowflakes". I honestly dont know why your generations are so stupid that you didnt figure this stuff out earlier. I mean honestly- not trying to be mean, but come on. You guys dragged your feet about women's rights for YEARS trying to suck up to men, trying to be the cool girl. And it totally backfired.

The thing is you guys allowed so much sexual predation and BS from men towards all kinds of women for so long. In my book, that's karma. You reap what you sow.

I have no sympathy towards y'all. Towards Gen Z women having to deal with the boomer sexual predator types that you all enabled to run amok? Yes, I have all the sympathy in the world for them and will continue to stand with them. Towards you guys, who gaslit us over #MeToo, victim blamed us, and attacked us? Absolutely TF NOT. LOL. You guys must be joking.

Take your own advice and "stop whining and being a snowflake".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m just realizing this as a female at age 54. So much hatred and disgust hurled at women. I think I didn’t see it when I was younger because I was attractive enough. I see it everywhere now that the male gaze is not on me so heavily. I don’t feel as watched and can do the watching. By misogynistic, I mean a dislike of women, women themselves included. Is this something every aging woman sees?

No, actually the opposite. As I age, I see far more preference to women and that the US is extremely anti-male right now.

But I grew up with a "faux feminist" mother who was constantly harping on how tough women have it. She would also intentionally be a lot tougher on me than my brothers so I would "get used to it" (her words.)

when equality feels like oppression... well you know how the rest of the saying goes.

Speaking of equality, what if OP is simply upset because she is now being treated like the rest of us? It sounds like OP had been used to all kinds of privileges that come with being attractive. Now that men no longer buy her free dinners and shower her with gifts, she's outraged that she has to buy her own stuff like the rest of us. So yeah, if you're used to being spoiled and coddled all your life, it can feel like oppression to just be "normal" now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So many mean women here. We don’t have to do this to ourselves. And to the younger women saying they already know it and what took you so long: talk less and listen more. We know what you’re saying. And we older women are trying to tell you something you are not seeing yet about our culture.

Except young women DO KNOW THIS and that's why the vast majority of young women are feminists who are constantly getting bashed by older women for being "snowflakes". I honestly dont know why your generations are so stupid that you didnt figure this stuff out earlier. I mean honestly- not trying to be mean, but come on. You guys dragged your feet about women's rights for YEARS trying to suck up to men, trying to be the cool girl. And it totally backfired.

The thing is you guys allowed so much sexual predation and BS from men towards all kinds of women for so long. In my book, that's karma. You reap what you sow.

I have no sympathy towards y'all. Towards Gen Z women having to deal with the boomer sexual predator types that you all enabled to run amok? Yes, I have all the sympathy in the world for them and will continue to stand with them. Towards you guys, who gaslit us over #MeToo, victim blamed us, and attacked us? Absolutely TF NOT. LOL. You guys must be joking.

Take your own advice and "stop whining and being a snowflake".

You seriously blame women for men's actions? And WE are the sexist ones?!?! Girl, you've got a lot to learn.