If all costs were equal, would you rather your child attend a top public or top private school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Top privates: HYPSM
Top public: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, etc
If cost is the same, there is no question about choosing MIT, Harvard and Stanford over any public. For Yale and Princeton, it may depend on the majors. For example, I can see people choose Berkeley over Yale for CS.

By making this distinction, you're making it obvious that even the very best publics are several tiers below the best privates...

NP here and when it comes to HYPSM they are. Let’s be honest here. Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford and MIT have an unmatched cache for life and all over the world.

The hypsm prestige defense squad is just as deluded as some of the UVA/WashU boosters. I wonder if they are the same people?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top privates: HYPSM
Top public: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, etc
If cost is the same, there is no question about choosing MIT, Harvard and Stanford over any public. For Yale and Princeton, it may depend on the majors. For example, I can see people choose Berkeley over Yale for CS.

By making this distinction, you're making it obvious that even the very best publics are several tiers below the best privates...

NP here and when it comes to HYPSM they are. Let’s be honest here. Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford and MIT have an unmatched cache for life and all over the world.

Far from "all over the world..." Only Harvard, Stanford, and MIT have a universal reach and renown. Not Princeton or Yale.

If you ask for citations, THE made a list of "global superbrands" in higher education and the ones selected by academics from all around the world are...

Harvard University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
University of Oxford
University of Cambridge
Stanford University
University of California, Berkeley

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top privates: HYPSM
Top public: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, etc
If cost is the same, there is no question about choosing MIT, Harvard and Stanford over any public. For Yale and Princeton, it may depend on the majors. For example, I can see people choose Berkeley over Yale for CS.

Even to major CS, I would choose Yale over Berkeley without a slight hesitation. All undergrad CS courses at the T25 schools are more or less same, and research opportunities are plenty in those resourseful schools for an undergrad. But the overall undergraduate education experience at the two schools is hugely different, and frankly the experience at Yale is way better while you may have hard time even getting to some classes you want. Yes, prestige does play a role in my decision as well if I would pay that much to attend.

No one cares where you go to school for computer science. They really don't care about prestige.

Oh, believe me, as someone who hires CS grads, we DO care where you went for undergrad. We don’t necessarily care if you went to Berkeley (well, we do care, but we may not be able to afford you), but we do care where you went in a given state. In my state, if you went to our top private or our top public STEM, we want to hire you. If you went to any other public in the state, we would prefer not to waste the time teaching you what you didn’t learn in undergrad.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

Yale is far less represented than Berkeley in CS. Other top schools that fared better than Yale in both per capita and raw numbers are CMU, Stanford, Columbia, MIT, Cornell, Rice, Duke, Harvard and Princeton.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top privates: HYPSM
Top public: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, etc
If cost is the same, there is no question about choosing MIT, Harvard and Stanford over any public. For Yale and Princeton, it may depend on the majors. For example, I can see people choose Berkeley over Yale for CS.

Even to major CS, I would choose Yale over Berkeley without a slight hesitation. All undergrad CS courses at the T25 schools are more or less same, and research opportunities are plenty in those resourseful schools for an undergrad. But the overall undergraduate education experience at the two schools is hugely different, and frankly the experience at Yale is way better while you may have hard time even getting to some classes you want. Yes, prestige does play a role in my decision as well if I would pay that much to attend.

No one cares where you go to school for computer science. They really don't care about prestige.

Oh, believe me, as someone who hires CS grads, we DO care where you went for undergrad. We don’t necessarily care if you went to Berkeley (well, we do care, but we may not be able to afford you), but we do care where you went in a given state. In my state, if you went to our top private or our top public STEM, we want to hire you. If you went to any other public in the state, we would prefer not to waste the time teaching you what you didn’t learn in undergrad.

Nope, or you are just a bland recruiter who has never done the work. My spouse went to a school no one has head of and doing very well. Going to a top school does not always mean skill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top privates: HYPSM
Top public: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, etc
If cost is the same, there is no question about choosing MIT, Harvard and Stanford over any public. For Yale and Princeton, it may depend on the majors. For example, I can see people choose Berkeley over Yale for CS.

Even to major CS, I would choose Yale over Berkeley without a slight hesitation. All undergrad CS courses at the T25 schools are more or less same, and research opportunities are plenty in those resourseful schools for an undergrad. But the overall undergraduate education experience at the two schools is hugely different, and frankly the experience at Yale is way better while you may have hard time even getting to some classes you want. Yes, prestige does play a role in my decision as well if I would pay that much to attend.

I agree that Yale likely offers a better college experience, but you are insane if you think its even close for computer science. Berkeley EECS (their flagship CS program) offers better opportunities for research, better faculty, better job opportunities in the tech industry, and better resources for founders. If your goal is research, tech, or entrepreneurship, pick Cal in a heartbeat.

If you don't believe me, heres a letter from PHD students in 2015 complaining about Yale CS (https://debayangupta.com/letter.htm) and an article from 2020 with quotes from faculty (https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2020/11/29/yale-ranks-124-for-best-global-universities-in-computer-science-faculty-comment-on-lack-of-institutional-support/)

I am not even a Berkeley fan, but it is crazy to compare the two in computer science, or any engineering for that matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top privates: HYPSM
Top public: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, etc
If cost is the same, there is no question about choosing MIT, Harvard and Stanford over any public. For Yale and Princeton, it may depend on the majors. For example, I can see people choose Berkeley over Yale for CS.

Even to major CS, I would choose Yale over Berkeley without a slight hesitation. All undergrad CS courses at the T25 schools are more or less same, and research opportunities are plenty in those resourseful schools for an undergrad. But the overall undergraduate education experience at the two schools is hugely different, and frankly the experience at Yale is way better while you may have hard time even getting to some classes you want. Yes, prestige does play a role in my decision as well if I would pay that much to attend.

I agree that Yale likely offers a better college experience, but you are insane if you think its even close for computer science. Berkeley EECS (their flagship CS program) offers better opportunities for research, better faculty, better job opportunities in the tech industry, and better resources for founders. If your goal is research, tech, or entrepreneurship, pick Cal in a heartbeat.

If you don't believe me, heres a letter from PHD students in 2015 complaining about Yale CS (https://debayangupta.com/letter.htm) and an article from 2020 with quotes from faculty (https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2020/11/29/yale-ranks-124-for-best-global-universities-in-computer-science-faculty-comment-on-lack-of-institutional-support/)

I am not even a Berkeley fan, but it is crazy to compare the two in computer science, or any engineering for that matter.

Better college experience is subjective to the person. It’s about skill vs what expensive college you went to. No one cares if you go to a state school vs Yale.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top privates: HYPSM
Top public: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, etc
If cost is the same, there is no question about choosing MIT, Harvard and Stanford over any public. For Yale and Princeton, it may depend on the majors. For example, I can see people choose Berkeley over Yale for CS.

Even to major CS, I would choose Yale over Berkeley without a slight hesitation. All undergrad CS courses at the T25 schools are more or less same, and research opportunities are plenty in those resourseful schools for an undergrad. But the overall undergraduate education experience at the two schools is hugely different, and frankly the experience at Yale is way better while you may have hard time even getting to some classes you want. Yes, prestige does play a role in my decision as well if I would pay that much to attend.

No one cares where you go to school for computer science. They really don't care about prestige.

Oh, believe me, as someone who hires CS grads, we DO care where you went for undergrad. We don’t necessarily care if you went to Berkeley (well, we do care, but we may not be able to afford you), but we do care where you went in a given state. In my state, if you went to our top private or our top public STEM, we want to hire you. If you went to any other public in the state, we would prefer not to waste the time teaching you what you didn’t learn in undergrad.

Nope, or you are just a bland recruiter who has never done the work. My spouse went to a school no one has head of and doing very well. Going to a top school does not always mean skill.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Top privates: HYPSM
Top public: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, etc
If cost is the same, there is no question about choosing MIT, Harvard and Stanford over any public. For Yale and Princeton, it may depend on the majors. For example, I can see people choose Berkeley over Yale for CS.

I've seen many people choose CMU over Berkeley for CS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top privates: HYPSM
Top public: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, etc
If cost is the same, there is no question about choosing MIT, Harvard and Stanford over any public. For Yale and Princeton, it may depend on the majors. For example, I can see people choose Berkeley over Yale for CS.

Even to major CS, I would choose Yale over Berkeley without a slight hesitation. All undergrad CS courses at the T25 schools are more or less same, and research opportunities are plenty in those resourseful schools for an undergrad. But the overall undergraduate education experience at the two schools is hugely different, and frankly the experience at Yale is way better while you may have hard time even getting to some classes you want. Yes, prestige does play a role in my decision as well if I would pay that much to attend.

No one cares where you go to school for computer science. They really don't care about prestige.

Oh, believe me, as someone who hires CS grads, we DO care where you went for undergrad. We don’t necessarily care if you went to Berkeley (well, we do care, but we may not be able to afford you), but we do care where you went in a given state. In my state, if you went to our top private or our top public STEM, we want to hire you. If you went to any other public in the state, we would prefer not to waste the time teaching you what you didn’t learn in undergrad.

Nope, or you are just a bland recruiter who has never done the work. My spouse went to a school no one has head of and doing very well. Going to a top school does not always mean skill.

Anecdotal evidence is a weak argument. I won't be surprised if there's one CS kid at some podunk public who is smarter and more skilled that all the CS majors at MIT. But a overwhelming majority of those MIT kids will be heads and shoulders above the podunk kids. If you're an employer, where would you ask your recruiter to source resumes from? If you're impressed by someone at a conference, what's the likelyhood they are from podunk public vs MIT?

[Anonymous]

Besides the Wharton School, nobody knows the name of business schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top privates: HYPSM
Top public: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, etc
If cost is the same, there is no question about choosing MIT, Harvard and Stanford over any public. For Yale and Princeton, it may depend on the majors. For example, I can see people choose Berkeley over Yale for CS.

Even to major CS, I would choose Yale over Berkeley without a slight hesitation. All undergrad CS courses at the T25 schools are more or less same, and research opportunities are plenty in those resourseful schools for an undergrad. But the overall undergraduate education experience at the two schools is hugely different, and frankly the experience at Yale is way better while you may have hard time even getting to some classes you want. Yes, prestige does play a role in my decision as well if I would pay that much to attend.

No one cares where you go to school for computer science. They really don't care about prestige.

Oh, believe me, as someone who hires CS grads, we DO care where you went for undergrad. We don’t necessarily care if you went to Berkeley (well, we do care, but we may not be able to afford you), but we do care where you went in a given state. In my state, if you went to our top private or our top public STEM, we want to hire you. If you went to any other public in the state, we would prefer not to waste the time teaching you what you didn’t learn in undergrad.

Nope, or you are just a bland recruiter who has never done the work. My spouse went to a school no one has head of and doing very well. Going to a top school does not always mean skill.

Anecdotal evidence is a weak argument. I won't be surprised if there's one CS kid at some podunk public who is smarter and more skilled that all the CS majors at MIT. But a overwhelming majority of those MIT kids will be heads and shoulders above the podunk kids. If you're an employer, where would you ask your recruiter to source resumes from? If you're impressed by someone at a conference, what's the likelyhood they are from podunk public vs MIT?

+1

Silicon Valley and Wall Street firms probably have different tiers. There are reach firms, target firms, safeties, and fallbacks. Reach firms such as FAANG, Goldman Sachs are lottery firms - even for ivy grads. There is no reason why podunk grads can’t win lotteries. It’s just harder. They would have to hustle more, prove more...

[Anonymous]

If one had a choice why would anybody choose a school where the vast majority of students come from a single state?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If one had a choice why would anybody choose a school where the vast majority of students come from a single state?

THe best universities in California, Virginia, or Michigan with their best students can’t compete with universities that select best students from all over the world.

[Anonymous]

Top Public. No question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Top Public. No question.

If you can have the best rotary phone or smartphone at same price, what would you choose. Your response indicates you’d choose the best 1950 rotary phone - only because you don’t know what smartphone is.

To each his own. Some may admire your decision. But that’s not your decision to make. Thank god most sane parents allow kids to choose their school. Most will not choose the 1950 rotary if they can have the latest smartphone.