If all costs were equal, would you rather your child attend a top public or top private school?

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Anonymous wrote:A top private. No question. The professors are more involved with undergraduates and the research opportunities are unquestionably more available to undergrads.

PS since when is UVA a “top school”? No one outside this area ever thinks or considers it.

You are terribly misinformed. The overwhelming number of UVA applicants are from OOS.

UVA never once came up in any college discussion with any of my three kids or any of their friends or counselors. I knew Virginia must have a University but never gave it a thought. DH and I certainly never knew anyone who went there or wanted to go there. We’re in the Midwest, Lake Forest, IL to be exact which is a town north of Chicago.

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Top privates: HYPSM
Top public: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, etc
If cost is the same, there is no question about choosing MIT, Harvard and Stanford over any public. For Yale and Princeton, it may depend on the majors. For example, I can see people choose Berkeley over Yale for CS.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread would be useful if it asked if one prefers public vs. private, assuming no cost difference. But, by noting specific schools, OP really wants to start another useless rankings/prestige thread.

Yes they are and slyly wants to equate Berkeley and Michigan to U CHICAGO AND PENN?!?!

But most people assume UChicago and UPenn are state schools. These two schools almost have no lay recognition, though Wharton is very well known.

If you go to a foreign country, people there might mistaken U of Chicago as a local, regional college - similar to U of Maryland, u of Oregon, u of West Virginia, u of Pittsburgh, u of Baltimore, u of Charlottesville...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A top private. No question. The professors are more involved with undergraduates and the research opportunities are unquestionably more available to undergrads.

PS since when is UVA a “top school”? No one outside this area ever thinks or considers it.

Many of the top privates universities have more graduate students than undergraduate. This is the opposite of all of the top publics that serve both. Do you honestly believe the professors at Harvard, for example, are spending more time with undergrads than grad students? Research opportunities are very abundant at a school like Michigan. Only JHU has a larger research budget. You are misinformed.

Yes, I do think Harvard prof spend more time with their undergrads than UCLA. Harvard graduate schools aren’t all even on campus. I graduated from a Harvard and DH from UCLA. Our son is at Pomona for the research over UCLA. DD graduated from Occidental and is currently at Harvard dental.

I’m far from misinformed, dear.

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Anonymous wrote:Top privates: HYPSM
Top public: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, etc
If cost is the same, there is no question about choosing MIT, Harvard and Stanford over any public. For Yale and Princeton, it may depend on the majors. For example, I can see people choose Berkeley over Yale for CS.

By making this distinction, you're making it obvious that even the very best publics are several tiers below the best privates...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Private undergrad, public graduate school (for anything but law, then any the highest t-14 they could into, whether private or public).

Would you mind elaborating? I feel like I frequently hear the reverse suggested. Although, maybe that's more money motivated, and I realize you are answering from the "all costs equal" perspective. I really am interested in your thoughts about this!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Top privates: HYPSM
Top public: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, etc
If cost is the same, there is no question about choosing MIT, Harvard and Stanford over any public. For Yale and Princeton, it may depend on the majors. For example, I can see people choose Berkeley over Yale for CS.

By making this distinction, you're making it obvious that even the very best publics are several tiers below the best privates...

NP here and when it comes to HYPSM they are. Let’s be honest here. Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford and MIT have an unmatched cache for life and all over the world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Top privates: HYPSM
Top public: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, etc
If cost is the same, there is no question about choosing MIT, Harvard and Stanford over any public. For Yale and Princeton, it may depend on the majors. For example, I can see people choose Berkeley over Yale for CS.

Even to major CS, I would choose Yale over Berkeley without a slight hesitation. All undergrad CS courses at the T25 schools are more or less same, and research opportunities are plenty in those resourseful schools for an undergrad. But the overall undergraduate education experience at the two schools is hugely different, and frankly the experience at Yale is way better while you may have hard time even getting to some classes you want. Yes, prestige does play a role in my decision as well if I would pay that much to attend.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top privates: HYPSM
Top public: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, etc
If cost is the same, there is no question about choosing MIT, Harvard and Stanford over any public. For Yale and Princeton, it may depend on the majors. For example, I can see people choose Berkeley over Yale for CS.

By making this distinction, you're making it obvious that even the very best publics are several tiers below the best privates...

NP here and when it comes to HYPSM they are. Let’s be honest here. Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford and MIT have an unmatched cache for life and all over the world.

Let’s be honest here. Outside of the US, schools with better professional and STEM programs like Berkeley and Columbia have more recognition than supersized country club LACs like Princeton.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Top privates: HYPSM
Top public: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, etc
If cost is the same, there is no question about choosing MIT, Harvard and Stanford over any public. For Yale and Princeton, it may depend on the majors. For example, I can see people choose Berkeley over Yale for CS.

Even to major CS, I would choose Yale over Berkeley without a slight hesitation. All undergrad CS courses at the T25 schools are more or less same, and research opportunities are plenty in those resourseful schools for an undergrad. But the overall undergraduate education experience at the two schools is hugely different, and frankly the experience at Yale is way better while you may have hard time even getting to some classes you want. Yes, prestige does play a role in my decision as well if I would pay that much to attend.

The quality of the professors are going to be totally different. UC Berkeley is ranked #3 in the world for CS and engineering, while Yale is 201-300. Yale is simply garbage for CS and Engineering. Yes, undergrads won’t be interacting with professors like PhD students do, but this gap is too much to ignore.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Top privates: HYPSM
Top public: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, etc
If cost is the same, there is no question about choosing MIT, Harvard and Stanford over any public. For Yale and Princeton, it may depend on the majors. For example, I can see people choose Berkeley over Yale for CS.

Even to major CS, I would choose Yale over Berkeley without a slight hesitation. All undergrad CS courses at the T25 schools are more or less same, and research opportunities are plenty in those resourseful schools for an undergrad. But the overall undergraduate education experience at the two schools is hugely different, and frankly the experience at Yale is way better while you may have hard time even getting to some classes you want. Yes, prestige does play a role in my decision as well if I would pay that much to attend.

No one cares where you go to school for computer science. They really don't care about prestige.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top privates: HYPSM
Top public: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, etc
If cost is the same, there is no question about choosing MIT, Harvard and Stanford over any public. For Yale and Princeton, it may depend on the majors. For example, I can see people choose Berkeley over Yale for CS.

Even to major CS, I would choose Yale over Berkeley without a slight hesitation. All undergrad CS courses at the T25 schools are more or less same, and research opportunities are plenty in those resourseful schools for an undergrad. But the overall undergraduate education experience at the two schools is hugely different, and frankly the experience at Yale is way better while you may have hard time even getting to some classes you want. Yes, prestige does play a role in my decision as well if I would pay that much to attend.

No one cares where you go to school for computer science. They really don't care about prestige.

Oh, believe me, as someone who hires CS grads, we DO care where you went for undergrad. We don’t necessarily care if you went to Berkeley (well, we do care, but we may not be able to afford you), but we do care where you went in a given state. In my state, if you went to our top private or our top public STEM, we want to hire you. If you went to any other public in the state, we would prefer not to waste the time teaching you what you didn’t learn in undergrad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Top privates: HYPSM
Top public: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, etc
If cost is the same, there is no question about choosing MIT, Harvard and Stanford over any public. For Yale and Princeton, it may depend on the majors. For example, I can see people choose Berkeley over Yale for CS.

By making this distinction, you're making it obvious that even the very best publics are several tiers below the best privates...

The public's are several tiers below Vanderbilt let alone HYP. Public boosters are delusional.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top privates: HYPSM
Top public: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, etc
If cost is the same, there is no question about choosing MIT, Harvard and Stanford over any public. For Yale and Princeton, it may depend on the majors. For example, I can see people choose Berkeley over Yale for CS.

By making this distinction, you're making it obvious that even the very best publics are several tiers below the best privates...

NP here and when it comes to HYPSM they are. Let’s be honest here. Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford and MIT have an unmatched cache for life and all over the world.

Did you read the thread on feeder schools for Wall Street and Silicon Valley? HYPSM are not very well represented. Only Columbia ranks high on both.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top privates: HYPSM
Top public: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, etc
If cost is the same, there is no question about choosing MIT, Harvard and Stanford over any public. For Yale and Princeton, it may depend on the majors. For example, I can see people choose Berkeley over Yale for CS.

By making this distinction, you're making it obvious that even the very best publics are several tiers below the best privates...

NP here and when it comes to HYPSM they are. Let’s be honest here. Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford and MIT have an unmatched cache for life and all over the world.

Did you read the thread on feeder schools for Wall Street and Silicon Valley? HYPSM are not very well represented. Only Columbia ranks high on both.

Only UVA made the top 30. Umich, UCB are not there. And UCLA was never considered a target school for finance. Top publics cannot compete with top 20 privates. You can see the WSJ rankings and see that the publics are ranked low.