Anonymous wrote:Why is it so hard to just make a list sorting for the the sum of grads going into T14 law, US medical school, FAANG, elite PhD track, Wall Street front office, verified six-figure salary offer, things like that?
T25 US Medical School (Adjusted for undergrad enrollment):
1. Yale
2. Duke
3. Stanford
4. Johns Hopkins
5. Harvard
6. Princeton
7. Vanderbilt
8. Dartmouth
9. Rice
10. WashU - St. Louis
11. Amherst
12. MIT
13. Williams
14. Pomona
15. Swarthmore
16. Columbia
17. Northwestern
18. Brown
19. Penn
20. Emory
21. Davidson
22. Bowdoin
23. UChicago
24. Haverford
25. Case Western
Top Engineering Companies (Amazon, Apple, Boeing, ExxonMobil, Google, Lockheed Martin, Microsoft, NASA, SpaceX, and Tesla), Adjusted for undergrad enrollment
1. CMU
2. Caltech
3. Columbia
4. Stanford
5. MIT
6. Georgia Tech
7. USC
8. Harvey Mudd
9. Olin
10. Rice
11. Duke
12. Cornell
13. Penn
14. WashU - St. Louis
15. Princeton
16. Rose Hulman
17. JHU
18. Brown
19. University of Washington
20. Berkeley
21. Northeastern
22. Santa Clara
23. UCSD
24. Northwestern
25. Harvard
UChicago not in top 30
Top Wall Street firms (Goldman Sachs, Citi, JP Morgan, Bank of American Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, Credit Suisse, Barclays, UBS, Evercore, Jefferies, Lazard, Moelis & Company, and Centerview Partners), Adjusted for Undergrad enrollment
1. Penn
2. Columbia
3. Harvard
4. UChicago
5. Yale
6. Georgetown
7. Dartmouth
8. Princeton
9. Duke
10. Williams
11. Claremont McKenna
12. Middlebury
13. Amherst
14. Brown
15. Washington and Lee
16. Cornell
17. Notre Dame
18. Stanford
19. Boston
20. Vanderbilt
21. Emory
22. Bowdoin
23. NYU
24. Colgate
25. SMU
Top Universities for Startups (undergraduate, raw numbers)
1. Stanford
2. Berkeley
3. MIT
4. Harvard
5. Penn
6. Cornell
7. Michigan
8. Tel Aviv
9. UTexas-Austin
10. UIUC
11. Yale
12. Israel Institute of Technology
13. Princeton
14. UCLA
15. Columbia
16. Brown
17. Wisconsin
18. USC
19. CMU
20. Duke
21. BYU
22. University of Waterloo
23. NYU
24. University of Washington
25. Dartmouth
UChicago not in top 50
So it seems like UChicago is a good choice if you want to go to law school, wall street, and PhD. Sucks at STEM, but not too surprising since they don't really have an engineering school.
What a fantastic post. And U of C is pumping that T14 list by now admitting like 100 (?) U of C undergrads a year into their own law school. A good deal if you don't mind staying in south side Chicago from age 18 to 25.
And while I appreciate the details of each category, I wish there was a master sum of all, which then spit out a ranking.
You're not wrong, PP. They admit about 50 per class. While I don't have stats for all the top law schools, here is what I can find, thanks to the internet. Undergraduate representation at the University of Chicago Law School and Yale Law School.
2020-2021 Chicago law school undergrad representation, by the numbers:
1. Chicago (45)
2. Berkeley (20)
3. Northwestern (18)
4. Yale (16)
5. UCLA (15)
5. Duke (15)
5. Cornell (15)
8. Brown (14)
9. Columbia (13)
9. Harvard (13)
11. Georgetown (12)
11. Texas-Austin (12)
13. USC (11)
13. UFlorida (11)
15. Washington University - St. Louis (10)
15. UMichigan (10)
15. Stanford (10)
15. BYU (10)
and the rest are in single digits
2019-2020 Chicago law school undergrad representation, by the numbers:
1. Chicago (42)
2. Georgetown (18)
3. UCLA (17)
4. Berkeley (16)
4. Northwestern (16)
6. Yale (15)
7. Harvard (14)
8. Cornell (13)
9. BYU (12)
9. Penn (12)
9. Washington U - St. Louis (12)
12. Duke (11)
12. UFlorida (11)
14. Columbia (10)
14. Princeton (10)
and the rest are in single digits.
2017-2018 Yale Law School undergrad representation:
1. Yale (78)
2. Harvard (70)
3. Columbia (34)
3. Princeton (34)
5. Dartmouth (28)
6. Brown (21)
7. Berkeley (18)
8. Penn (16)
9. Amherst (14)
9. Williams (14)
9. Cornell (14)
12. Chicago (13)
13. NYU (10)
13. Stanford (10)
So the top 5 undergraduate feeder schools to Chicago Law School (aside from itself) are: Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Northwestern, Yale.
The top 5 undergraduate feeder schools to Yale Law School (aside from itself) are: Harvard, Columbia, Princeton, Dartmouth, Stanford.
Talking about the prestige difference, doesn't this say a lot? Man, the Yale Law School just seems untouchable.
Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately these rankings are proving themselves to be bullshit and pointless. Literally nobody is choosing Northwestern or Hopkins over Columbia, Penn, Cornell, and Dartmouth. And no, I'm not going to get into a debate with you cringe broken record trolls about "lower Ivies."
Anonymous wrote:Why is it so hard to just make a list sorting for the the sum of grads going into T14 law, US medical school, FAANG, elite PhD track, Wall Street front office, verified six-figure salary offer, things like that?
T25 US Medical School (Adjusted for undergrad enrollment):
1. Yale
2. Duke
3. Stanford
4. Johns Hopkins
5. Harvard
6. Princeton
7. Vanderbilt
8. Dartmouth
9. Rice
10. WashU - St. Louis
11. Amherst
12. MIT
13. Williams
14. Pomona
15. Swarthmore
16. Columbia
17. Northwestern
18. Brown
19. Penn
20. Emory
21. Davidson
22. Bowdoin
23. UChicago
24. Haverford
25. Case Western
Top Engineering Companies (Amazon, Apple, Boeing, ExxonMobil, Google, Lockheed Martin, Microsoft, NASA, SpaceX, and Tesla), Adjusted for undergrad enrollment
1. CMU
2. Caltech
3. Columbia
4. Stanford
5. MIT
6. Georgia Tech
7. USC
8. Harvey Mudd
9. Olin
10. Rice
11. Duke
12. Cornell
13. Penn
14. WashU - St. Louis
15. Princeton
16. Rose Hulman
17. JHU
18. Brown
19. University of Washington
20. Berkeley
21. Northeastern
22. Santa Clara
23. UCSD
24. Northwestern
25. Harvard
UChicago not in top 30
Top Wall Street firms (Goldman Sachs, Citi, JP Morgan, Bank of American Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, Credit Suisse, Barclays, UBS, Evercore, Jefferies, Lazard, Moelis & Company, and Centerview Partners), Adjusted for Undergrad enrollment
1. Penn
2. Columbia
3. Harvard
4. UChicago
5. Yale
6. Georgetown
7. Dartmouth
8. Princeton
9. Duke
10. Williams
11. Claremont McKenna
12. Middlebury
13. Amherst
14. Brown
15. Washington and Lee
16. Cornell
17. Notre Dame
18. Stanford
19. Boston
20. Vanderbilt
21. Emory
22. Bowdoin
23. NYU
24. Colgate
25. SMU
Top Universities for Startups (undergraduate, raw numbers)
1. Stanford
2. Berkeley
3. MIT
4. Harvard
5. Penn
6. Cornell
7. Michigan
8. Tel Aviv
9. UTexas-Austin
10. UIUC
11. Yale
12. Israel Institute of Technology
13. Princeton
14. UCLA
15. Columbia
16. Brown
17. Wisconsin
18. USC
19. CMU
20. Duke
21. BYU
22. University of Waterloo
23. NYU
24. University of Washington
25. Dartmouth
UChicago not in top 50
So it seems like UChicago is a good choice if you want to go to law school, wall street, and PhD. Sucks at STEM, but not too surprising since they don't really have an engineering school.
What a fantastic post. And U of C is pumping that T14 list by now admitting like 100 (?) U of C undergrads a year into their own law school. A good deal if you don't mind staying in south side Chicago from age 18 to 25.
And while I appreciate the details of each category, I wish there was a master sum of all, which then spit out a ranking.
You're not wrong, PP. They admit about 50 per class. While I don't have stats for all the top law schools, here is what I can find, thanks to the internet. Undergraduate representation at the University of Chicago Law School and Yale Law School.
2020-2021 Chicago law school undergrad representation, by the numbers:
1. Chicago (45)
2. Berkeley (20)
3. Northwestern (18)
4. Yale (16)
5. UCLA (15)
5. Duke (15)
5. Cornell (15)
8. Brown (14)
9. Columbia (13)
9. Harvard (13)
11. Georgetown (12)
11. Texas-Austin (12)
13. USC (11)
13. UFlorida (11)
15. Washington University - St. Louis (10)
15. UMichigan (10)
15. Stanford (10)
15. BYU (10)
and the rest are in single digits
2019-2020 Chicago law school undergrad representation, by the numbers:
1. Chicago (42)
2. Georgetown (18)
3. UCLA (17)
4. Berkeley (16)
4. Northwestern (16)
6. Yale (15)
7. Harvard (14)
8. Cornell (13)
9. BYU (12)
9. Penn (12)
9. Washington U - St. Louis (12)
12. Duke (11)
12. UFlorida (11)
14. Columbia (10)
14. Princeton (10)
and the rest are in single digits.
2017-2018 Yale Law School undergrad representation:
1. Yale (78)
2. Harvard (70)
3. Columbia (34)
3. Princeton (34)
5. Dartmouth (28)
6. Brown (21)
7. Berkeley (18)
8. Penn (16)
9. Amherst (14)
9. Williams (14)
9. Cornell (14)
12. Chicago (13)
13. NYU (10)
13. Stanford (10)
So the top 5 undergraduate feeder schools to Chicago Law School (aside from itself) are: Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Northwestern, Yale.
The top 5 undergraduate feeder schools to Yale Law School (aside from itself) are: Harvard, Columbia, Princeton, Dartmouth, Stanford.
Talking about the prestige difference, doesn't this say a lot? Man, the Yale Law School just seems untouchable.
+1. The difference in those two lists speaks volumes.
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