WSJ 2022 College Ranking

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Anonymous wrote:Brown is on the way up. Soon 50% STEM. You are rear view mirror looking and your views are so pathetically dated, stuck in the 90s. Do your homework. Prediction — Brown will be in top 5 of US News in the next 5 years. Rankings always lag reality.

You’re either a troll or you’re just delusional.

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Not delusional at all. Look at the last two years of tech hiring from Brown. 1/5 of class is now majoring in computer science. Large numbers going to google, Facebook, and many others. Brown’s engineering program has been around for over 100 years. Harvard and Yale have brand spanking new engineering buildings but they aren’t even ABET accredited in many engineering disciplines. Both struggle to attract professors in STEM. They kind of don’t even know how to do STEM at Harvard. Putting that Paulson building a million miles away in Allston reflects a certain second-class mindset. Brown will surpass Yale in a few years. It is all about relevance and Yale and Harvard are losing it while Brown is gaining it. Seriously, look at the recruiting data. Big Law is getting structurally downsized/disintermediated and investment banks are increasingly hiring STEM types from Brown, Michigan, MIT, Columbia, and Stanford, not Econ majors from Harvard and Yale. Disruption in the higher echelons of education. Harvard and Yale and maybe even Princeton need to reinvent themselves. What’s that they say about laurels…

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Anonymous wrote:Not delusional at all. Look at the last two years of tech hiring from Brown. 1/5 of class is now majoring in computer science. Large numbers going to google, Facebook, and many others. Brown’s engineering program has been around for over 100 years. Harvard and Yale have brand spanking new engineering buildings but they aren’t even ABET accredited in many engineering disciplines. Both struggle to attract professors in STEM. They kind of don’t even know how to do STEM at Harvard. Putting that Paulson building a million miles away in Allston reflects a certain second-class mindset. Brown will surpass Yale in a few years. It is all about relevance and Yale and Harvard are losing it while Brown is gaining it. Seriously, look at the recruiting data. Big Law is getting structurally downsized/disintermediated and investment banks are increasingly hiring STEM types from Brown, Michigan, MIT, Columbia, and Stanford, not Econ majors from Harvard and Yale. Disruption in the higher echelons of education. Harvard and Yale and maybe even Princeton need to reinvent themselves. What’s that they say about laurels…

...Brown should be ranked #14 at best

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Anonymous wrote:Not delusional at all. Look at the last two years of tech hiring from Brown. 1/5 of class is now majoring in computer science. Large numbers going to google, Facebook, and many others. Brown’s engineering program has been around for over 100 years. Harvard and Yale have brand spanking new engineering buildings but they aren’t even ABET accredited in many engineering disciplines. Both struggle to attract professors in STEM. They kind of don’t even know how to do STEM at Harvard. Putting that Paulson building a million miles away in Allston reflects a certain second-class mindset. Brown will surpass Yale in a few years. It is all about relevance and Yale and Harvard are losing it while Brown is gaining it. Seriously, look at the recruiting data. Big Law is getting structurally downsized/disintermediated and investment banks are increasingly hiring STEM types from Brown, Michigan, MIT, Columbia, and Stanford, not Econ majors from Harvard and Yale. Disruption in the higher echelons of education. Harvard and Yale and maybe even Princeton need to reinvent themselves. What’s that they say about laurels…

...Brown should be ranked #14 at best

Different poster, but Harvard and Yale really have lackluster STEM programs that is not worthy of their prestige. Despite this, I still think Harvard can survive because of its unparalleled brand and top grad programs. Yale on the other hand, has less that it can make up for with its brand (being a Yale man today is not the same thing it meant a few decades ago) and their mediocre med and business school really hurts them. It won’t be a surprise if in a few years, Princeton and Columbia will be more prestigious than Yale, and Brown more desirable at the ugrad level.

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Anonymous wrote:Not delusional at all. Look at the last two years of tech hiring from Brown. 1/5 of class is now majoring in computer science. Large numbers going to google, Facebook, and many others. Brown’s engineering program has been around for over 100 years. Harvard and Yale have brand spanking new engineering buildings but they aren’t even ABET accredited in many engineering disciplines. Both struggle to attract professors in STEM. They kind of don’t even know how to do STEM at Harvard. Putting that Paulson building a million miles away in Allston reflects a certain second-class mindset. Brown will surpass Yale in a few years. It is all about relevance and Yale and Harvard are losing it while Brown is gaining it. Seriously, look at the recruiting data. Big Law is getting structurally downsized/disintermediated and investment banks are increasingly hiring STEM types from Brown, Michigan, MIT, Columbia, and Stanford, not Econ majors from Harvard and Yale. Disruption in the higher echelons of education. Harvard and Yale and maybe even Princeton need to reinvent themselves. What’s that they say about laurels…

...Brown should be ranked #14 at best

Different poster, but Harvard and Yale really have lackluster STEM programs that is not worthy of their prestige. Despite this, I still think Harvard can survive because of its unparalleled brand and top grad programs. Yale on the other hand, has less that it can make up for with its brand (being a Yale man today is not the same thing it meant a few decades ago) and their mediocre med and business school really hurts them. It won’t be a surprise if in a few years, Princeton and Columbia will be more prestigious than Yale, and Brown more desirable at the ugrad level.

I'm a NP, and not being critical of Brown at all- But let's not get carried away. Perhaps engineering and computer science at Harvard are not top programs, but that is only TE of STEM. The S and M are incredibly strong. Math, Physics, Chemistry, Biology and subdiciplines thereof are fantastic.

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Anonymous wrote:Not delusional at all. Look at the last two years of tech hiring from Brown. 1/5 of class is now majoring in computer science. Large numbers going to google, Facebook, and many others. Brown’s engineering program has been around for over 100 years. Harvard and Yale have brand spanking new engineering buildings but they aren’t even ABET accredited in many engineering disciplines. Both struggle to attract professors in STEM. They kind of don’t even know how to do STEM at Harvard. Putting that Paulson building a million miles away in Allston reflects a certain second-class mindset. Brown will surpass Yale in a few years. It is all about relevance and Yale and Harvard are losing it while Brown is gaining it. Seriously, look at the recruiting data. Big Law is getting structurally downsized/disintermediated and investment banks are increasingly hiring STEM types from Brown, Michigan, MIT, Columbia, and Stanford, not Econ majors from Harvard and Yale. Disruption in the higher echelons of education. Harvard and Yale and maybe even Princeton need to reinvent themselves. What’s that they say about laurels…

...Brown should be ranked #14 at best

Different poster, but Harvard and Yale really have lackluster STEM programs that is not worthy of their prestige. Despite this, I still think Harvard can survive because of its unparalleled brand and top grad programs. Yale on the other hand, has less that it can make up for with its brand (being a Yale man today is not the same thing it meant a few decades ago) and their mediocre med and business school really hurts them. It won’t be a surprise if in a few years, Princeton and Columbia will be more prestigious than Yale, and Brown more desirable at the ugrad level.

Real gaslighting here!
Yale Law School has ranked #1 for decades.
This year Yale Business School ranks #9 and Yale Medical School #10. Not exactly mediocre.

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Anonymous wrote:Not delusional at all. Look at the last two years of tech hiring from Brown. 1/5 of class is now majoring in computer science. Large numbers going to google, Facebook, and many others. Brown’s engineering program has been around for over 100 years. Harvard and Yale have brand spanking new engineering buildings but they aren’t even ABET accredited in many engineering disciplines. Both struggle to attract professors in STEM. They kind of don’t even know how to do STEM at Harvard. Putting that Paulson building a million miles away in Allston reflects a certain second-class mindset. Brown will surpass Yale in a few years. It is all about relevance and Yale and Harvard are losing it while Brown is gaining it. Seriously, look at the recruiting data. Big Law is getting structurally downsized/disintermediated and investment banks are increasingly hiring STEM types from Brown, Michigan, MIT, Columbia, and Stanford, not Econ majors from Harvard and Yale. Disruption in the higher echelons of education. Harvard and Yale and maybe even Princeton need to reinvent themselves. What’s that they say about laurels…

...Brown should be ranked #14 at best

Different poster, but Harvard and Yale really have lackluster STEM programs that is not worthy of their prestige. Despite this, I still think Harvard can survive because of its unparalleled brand and top grad programs. Yale on the other hand, has less that it can make up for with its brand (being a Yale man today is not the same thing it meant a few decades ago) and their mediocre med and business school really hurts them. It won’t be a surprise if in a few years, Princeton and Columbia will be more prestigious than Yale, and Brown more desirable at the ugrad level.

I'm a NP, and not being critical of Brown at all- But let's not get carried away. Perhaps engineering and computer science at Harvard are not top programs, but that is only TE of STEM. The S and M are incredibly strong. Math, Physics, Chemistry, Biology and subdiciplines thereof are fantastic.

Yale is a little weak in engineering and CS. But Harvard is top tier in engineering and CS. For CS, Harvard is only behind the big 4 in the US.

https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2020/computer-science-information-systems

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Anonymous wrote:Not delusional at all. Look at the last two years of tech hiring from Brown. 1/5 of class is now majoring in computer science. Large numbers going to google, Facebook, and many others. Brown’s engineering program has been around for over 100 years. Harvard and Yale have brand spanking new engineering buildings but they aren’t even ABET accredited in many engineering disciplines. Both struggle to attract professors in STEM. They kind of don’t even know how to do STEM at Harvard. Putting that Paulson building a million miles away in Allston reflects a certain second-class mindset. Brown will surpass Yale in a few years. It is all about relevance and Yale and Harvard are losing it while Brown is gaining it. Seriously, look at the recruiting data. Big Law is getting structurally downsized/disintermediated and investment banks are increasingly hiring STEM types from Brown, Michigan, MIT, Columbia, and Stanford, not Econ majors from Harvard and Yale. Disruption in the higher echelons of education. Harvard and Yale and maybe even Princeton need to reinvent themselves. What’s that they say about laurels…

...Brown should be ranked #14 at best

Different poster, but Harvard and Yale really have lackluster STEM programs that is not worthy of their prestige. Despite this, I still think Harvard can survive because of its unparalleled brand and top grad programs. Yale on the other hand, has less that it can make up for with its brand (being a Yale man today is not the same thing it meant a few decades ago) and their mediocre med and business school really hurts them. It won’t be a surprise if in a few years, Princeton and Columbia will be more prestigious than Yale, and Brown more desirable at the ugrad level.

A top 10 medical school is mediocre. This site is full faux pretentiousness.

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Anonymous wrote:Not delusional at all. Look at the last two years of tech hiring from Brown. 1/5 of class is now majoring in computer science. Large numbers going to google, Facebook, and many others. Brown’s engineering program has been around for over 100 years. Harvard and Yale have brand spanking new engineering buildings but they aren’t even ABET accredited in many engineering disciplines. Both struggle to attract professors in STEM. They kind of don’t even know how to do STEM at Harvard. Putting that Paulson building a million miles away in Allston reflects a certain second-class mindset. Brown will surpass Yale in a few years. It is all about relevance and Yale and Harvard are losing it while Brown is gaining it. Seriously, look at the recruiting data. Big Law is getting structurally downsized/disintermediated and investment banks are increasingly hiring STEM types from Brown, Michigan, MIT, Columbia, and Stanford, not Econ majors from Harvard and Yale. Disruption in the higher echelons of education. Harvard and Yale and maybe even Princeton need to reinvent themselves. What’s that they say about laurels…

...Brown should be ranked #14 at best

Different poster, but Harvard and Yale really have lackluster STEM programs that is not worthy of their prestige. Despite this, I still think Harvard can survive because of its unparalleled brand and top grad programs. Yale on the other hand, has less that it can make up for with its brand (being a Yale man today is not the same thing it meant a few decades ago) and their mediocre med and business school really hurts them. It won’t be a surprise if in a few years, Princeton and Columbia will be more prestigious than Yale, and Brown more desirable at the ugrad level.

Real gaslighting here!
Yale Law School has ranked #1 for decades.
This year Yale Business School ranks #9 and Yale Medical School #10. Not exactly mediocre.

It’s mediocre when you’re Yale and people group you with HYPSM. When you have Harvard at #1, Columbia and Stanford at #4, and UPenn at #9, yes, it’s mediocre if you’re Yale.

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Anonymous wrote:Not delusional at all. Look at the last two years of tech hiring from Brown. 1/5 of class is now majoring in computer science. Large numbers going to google, Facebook, and many others. Brown’s engineering program has been around for over 100 years. Harvard and Yale have brand spanking new engineering buildings but they aren’t even ABET accredited in many engineering disciplines. Both struggle to attract professors in STEM. They kind of don’t even know how to do STEM at Harvard. Putting that Paulson building a million miles away in Allston reflects a certain second-class mindset. Brown will surpass Yale in a few years. It is all about relevance and Yale and Harvard are losing it while Brown is gaining it. Seriously, look at the recruiting data. Big Law is getting structurally downsized/disintermediated and investment banks are increasingly hiring STEM types from Brown, Michigan, MIT, Columbia, and Stanford, not Econ majors from Harvard and Yale. Disruption in the higher echelons of education. Harvard and Yale and maybe even Princeton need to reinvent themselves. What’s that they say about laurels…

...Brown should be ranked #14 at best

Different poster, but Harvard and Yale really have lackluster STEM programs that is not worthy of their prestige. Despite this, I still think Harvard can survive because of its unparalleled brand and top grad programs. Yale on the other hand, has less that it can make up for with its brand (being a Yale man today is not the same thing it meant a few decades ago) and their mediocre med and business school really hurts them. It won’t be a surprise if in a few years, Princeton and Columbia will be more prestigious than Yale, and Brown more desirable at the ugrad level.

A top 10 medical school is mediocre. This site is full faux pretentiousness.

Not PP, but I'll throw in my two cents here. With a non-M7 business school full of cash cow programs for rich international students, yes, SOM is definitely considered mediocre by many in the industry, including myself. I've never heard of any business schools that take fresh college graduates without any working experience. It's a good business school, but really an afterthought for many who can't get into more competitive and well-known ones and being in some arbitrarily named undergraduate grouping doesn't help at all - unless you're comparing with lower tier business schools like Georgetown and UVA. The job prospects, alumni representation, and student caliber is decidedly weaker than Yale College grads. I know many a Yale College grad who end up at HBS, but vice versa, not really. And while you are comparing medical schools with places like Penn, Columbia, NYU, Stanford, and JHU, it's really not as stellar as some make it out to be.

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Anonymous wrote:Not delusional at all. Look at the last two years of tech hiring from Brown. 1/5 of class is now majoring in computer science. Large numbers going to google, Facebook, and many others. Brown’s engineering program has been around for over 100 years. Harvard and Yale have brand spanking new engineering buildings but they aren’t even ABET accredited in many engineering disciplines. Both struggle to attract professors in STEM. They kind of don’t even know how to do STEM at Harvard. Putting that Paulson building a million miles away in Allston reflects a certain second-class mindset. Brown will surpass Yale in a few years. It is all about relevance and Yale and Harvard are losing it while Brown is gaining it. Seriously, look at the recruiting data. Big Law is getting structurally downsized/disintermediated and investment banks are increasingly hiring STEM types from Brown, Michigan, MIT, Columbia, and Stanford, not Econ majors from Harvard and Yale. Disruption in the higher echelons of education. Harvard and Yale and maybe even Princeton need to reinvent themselves. What’s that they say about laurels…

...Brown should be ranked #14 at best

Different poster, but Harvard and Yale really have lackluster STEM programs that is not worthy of their prestige. Despite this, I still think Harvard can survive because of its unparalleled brand and top grad programs. Yale on the other hand, has less that it can make up for with its brand (being a Yale man today is not the same thing it meant a few decades ago) and their mediocre med and business school really hurts them. It won’t be a surprise if in a few years, Princeton and Columbia will be more prestigious than Yale, and Brown more desirable at the ugrad level.

A top 10 medical school is mediocre. This site is full faux pretentiousness.

Not PP, but I'll throw in my two cents here. With a non-M7 business school full of cash cow programs for rich international students, yes, SOM is definitely considered mediocre by many in the industry, including myself. I've never heard of any business schools that take fresh college graduates without any working experience. It's a good business school, but really an afterthought for many who can't get into more competitive and well-known ones and being in some arbitrarily named undergraduate grouping doesn't help at all - unless you're comparing with lower tier business schools like Georgetown and UVA. The job prospects, alumni representation, and student caliber is decidedly weaker than Yale College grads. I know many a Yale College grad who end up at HBS, but vice versa, not really. And while you are comparing medical schools with places like Penn, Columbia, NYU, Stanford, and JHU, it's really not as stellar as some make it out to be.

+1. Two things I find bizzare on this forum - the level of Harvard and Yale worship and the tendency to equate undergraduate education with the overall quality of a university. Feels like the forum is ran by a bunch of grumpy LAC grads.

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Anonymous wrote:Not delusional at all. Look at the last two years of tech hiring from Brown. 1/5 of class is now majoring in computer science. Large numbers going to google, Facebook, and many others. Brown’s engineering program has been around for over 100 years. Harvard and Yale have brand spanking new engineering buildings but they aren’t even ABET accredited in many engineering disciplines. Both struggle to attract professors in STEM. They kind of don’t even know how to do STEM at Harvard. Putting that Paulson building a million miles away in Allston reflects a certain second-class mindset. Brown will surpass Yale in a few years. It is all about relevance and Yale and Harvard are losing it while Brown is gaining it. Seriously, look at the recruiting data. Big Law is getting structurally downsized/disintermediated and investment banks are increasingly hiring STEM types from Brown, Michigan, MIT, Columbia, and Stanford, not Econ majors from Harvard and Yale. Disruption in the higher echelons of education. Harvard and Yale and maybe even Princeton need to reinvent themselves. What’s that they say about laurels…

...Brown should be ranked #14 at best

Different poster, but Harvard and Yale really have lackluster STEM programs that is not worthy of their prestige. Despite this, I still think Harvard can survive because of its unparalleled brand and top grad programs. Yale on the other hand, has less that it can make up for with its brand (being a Yale man today is not the same thing it meant a few decades ago) and their mediocre med and business school really hurts them. It won’t be a surprise if in a few years, Princeton and Columbia will be more prestigious than Yale, and Brown more desirable at the ugrad level.

Real gaslighting here!
Yale Law School has ranked #1 for decades.
This year Yale Business School ranks #9 and Yale Medical School #10. Not exactly mediocre.

It’s mediocre when you’re Yale and people group you with HYPSM. When you have Harvard at #1, Columbia and Stanford at #4, and UPenn at #9, yes, it’s mediocre if you’re Yale.

You realize the P is for Princeton which doesn’t have a medical school. And where does the MIT med school rank?

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Anonymous wrote:Not a public university in the top 20.

Because real life != message boards full of circle-jerking striver moms who couldn't afford (or couldn't get their kid into) private college and do nothing but wax on and on about how amazing their kid's public U is. In real life, the smartest kids at Virginia, Berkeley, UCLA and Michigan are JEALOUS of their friends at elite private colleges.

Not true at all. I went to one of those public universities and majored in a department that was ranked #1 nationally. Many of us actually felt sorry for the fools who paid 10X for a lower ranked major at one of those overpriced private colleges.

But yes, I'm sure their dorms were fancier and the gym had a floating river...

Frankly, the only reason the privates rank higher is because of gimmicks like artificially pumping applications so they can reject a higher percentage of applicants.

Those private school students likely still had better placement after graduation.

Not true. The Forbes college list actually has the public universities at the top precisely because their ranking methodology gives greater weight to how many of a university's graduates become leaders in business and government. USNews and Forbes focus more on incoming stats you can manipulate like acceptance rate.

This is dumb, the word leaders come mostly from HYP. For ed has a garbage methodology that uses cost of attendance divided by post grad salary, public schools are cheap for instate students thus public schools do better in the Forbes ranking.

"come mostly" - Penn, Stanford, Columbia, MIT have all produced more billionaires, high net-worth individuals, startup founders in tech, or Forbes 30 under 30 than either Yale or Princeton. The past two presidents went to Columbia and Wharton. Princeton hasn't graduated a single cabinet member since Donald Rumsfeld. So-called leaders like Tom Cotton went to Havard, Ron DeSantis went to Yale, and Ted Cruz to Princeton.

Maybe except for Rhodes, HYP grads have never dominated the top three of any awards outlined in the Forbes methodology at the same time: "MacArthur Fellowship, Nobel Prize, Breakthrough Prize, Lasker Prize, Fields Prize, Academy Awards, Oscars, Tony’s, NAACP Awards, Guggenheim Fellowship, major sport all-stars, Presidential Medals and Pulitzer Prizes."

The HYP prestige defense squad can't really hold on to their facts right? You do realize that there are tons of schools out there whose graduate outcomes are on par, if not better than HYP? What kind of world are you really living in?

+1. The squad is really incapable of either reasoning, or fact-finding.

I don’t think anyone from cares but why are you all trumpeting how the Forbes rankings show that Yale and Princeton are terrible when they are 2 and 3?

Classic HYP prestige defense squad move. You make a bold baseless claim and when facts don't work in your favor, you call them irrelevant or just "oh we don't care." Sounds very much like QAnon!

Honestly i'm not really impressed when someone humble brags about HYP. Remember, Jared "went" to Harvard, W "went" to Harvard and Yale, and a certain very stable genius "went" to Wharton.

I'm more impressed by the scrappy kid who got a full ride to U Mich and used their degree to do some good in the world.

Good post. What really matters is not where you go to school but how you help humanity with your degree.

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Brown on the rise from #6

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Anonymous wrote:Not delusional at all. Look at the last two years of tech hiring from Brown. 1/5 of class is now majoring in computer science. Large numbers going to google, Facebook, and many others. Brown’s engineering program has been around for over 100 years. Harvard and Yale have brand spanking new engineering buildings but they aren’t even ABET accredited in many engineering disciplines. Both struggle to attract professors in STEM. They kind of don’t even know how to do STEM at Harvard. Putting that Paulson building a million miles away in Allston reflects a certain second-class mindset. Brown will surpass Yale in a few years. It is all about relevance and Yale and Harvard are losing it while Brown is gaining it. Seriously, look at the recruiting data. Big Law is getting structurally downsized/disintermediated and investment banks are increasingly hiring STEM types from Brown, Michigan, MIT, Columbia, and Stanford, not Econ majors from Harvard and Yale. Disruption in the higher echelons of education. Harvard and Yale and maybe even Princeton need to reinvent themselves. What’s that they say about laurels…

...Brown should be ranked #14 at best

Different poster, but Harvard and Yale really have lackluster STEM programs that is not worthy of their prestige. Despite this, I still think Harvard can survive because of its unparalleled brand and top grad programs. Yale on the other hand, has less that it can make up for with its brand (being a Yale man today is not the same thing it meant a few decades ago) and their mediocre med and business school really hurts them. It won’t be a surprise if in a few years, Princeton and Columbia will be more prestigious than Yale, and Brown more desirable at the ugrad level.

Harvard is about as strong as it gets in science and mathematics.