Antizionism is not antisemitism/the current conflict

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Anonymous wrote:Answer the question does antizionism equal antisemitism. I don’t care if there are American jews in the marines etc. no kidding. My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being both and will not really engage with any nonjew who questions anything, they shutdown the convo immediately. This seems a little narrow minded and frankly unfair. That is why I am on this forum as I am terrified to even broach the topic with any American acquaintances who are Jewish.

Did you read the OP? That’s the entire topic of this thread. If by antizionism you mean criticism of the Israeli government then no, it’s not antisemitic on its own (but could be motivated by antisemitism). If by antizionism you mean thinking the state of Israel should be dismantled then yeah, that’s very probably antisemitic.

“My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being [antisemitic]”
You keep hijacking threads to talk about this alleged bullying incident at your child’s school. I have a really hard time believing your kid was branded an antisemite simply for criticizing the Israeli government, but idk maybe. Kids are dumb and cruel sometimes. That doesn’t justify your insane persecution complex. You seem to think the Jews are out to get you and ruin your life if you so much as breathe a word about Israel and uhhh……look around you ma’am. Anti-Israel sentiment is incredibly pervasive. People don’t seem AT ALL afraid to be very very open about it.

Yes, unfortunately it is true my DC is seen by the jewish community as being antisemitic and the Jewish americans I am acquainted with are not open and engaging as far as any inquiries regarding their country. It’s very off putting.

Are you approaching random American Jews and inquiring as to their views on “their country”? Yikes lol

They consider Israel their homeland and have made this clear. Israel is as much their home as the US and share this with others. Is that wrong to refer to it as their country? Should I frame it as their ‘other country’ ‘their homeland’ which is acceptable?

For someone who claims to be “just asking” and not have much stake in the matter, you sure do seem to be awfully persistent about this. Who exactly are all of these Jewish friends of yours and can you explain more the actual context of these discussions?

I live in a town that’s around 33% Jewish American, we have orthodox, hasidic, conservative, the whole spectrum here. It appears that any nonjew who broaches the topic of Isreal is immediately shut down or branded an antisemite for saying something deemed offensive.

Something offensive such as what? What specifically have you said about Israel that’s gotten you shut down? You’re being incredibly vague here. If you have specific examples, provide them.

It was a conversation regarding why a child was being branded an antisemite. The very socially connected Jewish American parents of the offended child stated that the child was scared and felt threatened due to the offending nonjewish child stating something along the lines of Israel was killing people and he felt bad. I wasn’t present for this child conversation. The jewish American parents basically ignore me and will only speak with DH. Per DH the parent of offended child supported that he felt threatened and he felt that branding my DC an antisemite was the right thing to do essentially.

“Something along the lines …” sure.

My guess is that you were offensive to the parents and that is why they only talk to your DH. Also the parents are Jewish - not sure why you need to keep saying “Jewish American.”

Anyway, it’s possible whatever your child said got exaggerated but it is a good chance for you to explain to him why he needs to be careful about generalizing.

I am not socially connected like these parents are. I am hesitant and quite shy and am always respectful of everyone. The parents of this child throw shade and frankly have a huge network of jewish and nonjewish friends and don’t seem interested in knowing me. They are bullies.

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Anonymous wrote:Answer the question does antizionism equal antisemitism. I don’t care if there are American jews in the marines etc. no kidding. My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being both and will not really engage with any nonjew who questions anything, they shutdown the convo immediately. This seems a little narrow minded and frankly unfair. That is why I am on this forum as I am terrified to even broach the topic with any American acquaintances who are Jewish.

Did you read the OP? That’s the entire topic of this thread. If by antizionism you mean criticism of the Israeli government then no, it’s not antisemitic on its own (but could be motivated by antisemitism). If by antizionism you mean thinking the state of Israel should be dismantled then yeah, that’s very probably antisemitic.

“My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being [antisemitic]”
You keep hijacking threads to talk about this alleged bullying incident at your child’s school. I have a really hard time believing your kid was branded an antisemite simply for criticizing the Israeli government, but idk maybe. Kids are dumb and cruel sometimes. That doesn’t justify your insane persecution complex. You seem to think the Jews are out to get you and ruin your life if you so much as breathe a word about Israel and uhhh……look around you ma’am. Anti-Israel sentiment is incredibly pervasive. People don’t seem AT ALL afraid to be very very open about it.

Yes, unfortunately it is true my DC is seen by the jewish community as being antisemitic and the Jewish americans I am acquainted with are not open and engaging as far as any inquiries regarding their country. It’s very off putting.

Give it up lady. Your local synagogue does not have a wanted poster for your 8 year old. Also “Jewish Americans” are … US citizens. Israel is not “their country.”

No, but I don’t appreciate my DC being falsely accused as being a racist/bigot. This is slander and you wouldn’t like it if it were happening to your child. I am aware that Americans are American citizens, however the American jews I have associated with consider Israel their homeland.

You still have not provided all the details of this “false accusation” - and then generalizing whatever happened between children to come to conclusions about antisemitism is obviously problematic. Especially when you seem to have absolutely zero instinct or understanding about what is actually antisemitic (such as — assuming all American Jews are also Israeli). I’m also curious about what exactly your supposed Jewish friends told you. My guess is you are misunderstanding.

Is branding a child as being a racist/bigot/antisemite ever acceptable? No adults were present for this conversation but ultimately the Jewish American parents supported their DC branding my DC antisemite because they felt threatened due to a conversation between children about the middle east. I am not an antisemite and neither is my DC. This family rarely will even engage with me at all, how would they even know what my thoughts were?

who “branded” your child anything? You sound extremely defensive. Even if this once incident is true, it says nothing about the overall discussion. All we know is that the Jewish child felt offended. The way schools deal with that stuff could be an entirely different thread.

This jewish family branded my DC anantisemite.

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Anonymous wrote:Answer the question does antizionism equal antisemitism. I don’t care if there are American jews in the marines etc. no kidding. My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being both and will not really engage with any nonjew who questions anything, they shutdown the convo immediately. This seems a little narrow minded and frankly unfair. That is why I am on this forum as I am terrified to even broach the topic with any American acquaintances who are Jewish.

Did you read the OP? That’s the entire topic of this thread. If by antizionism you mean criticism of the Israeli government then no, it’s not antisemitic on its own (but could be motivated by antisemitism). If by antizionism you mean thinking the state of Israel should be dismantled then yeah, that’s very probably antisemitic.

“My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being [antisemitic]”
You keep hijacking threads to talk about this alleged bullying incident at your child’s school. I have a really hard time believing your kid was branded an antisemite simply for criticizing the Israeli government, but idk maybe. Kids are dumb and cruel sometimes. That doesn’t justify your insane persecution complex. You seem to think the Jews are out to get you and ruin your life if you so much as breathe a word about Israel and uhhh……look around you ma’am. Anti-Israel sentiment is incredibly pervasive. People don’t seem AT ALL afraid to be very very open about it.

Yes, unfortunately it is true my DC is seen by the jewish community as being antisemitic and the Jewish americans I am acquainted with are not open and engaging as far as any inquiries regarding their country. It’s very off putting.

Are you approaching random American Jews and inquiring as to their views on “their country”? Yikes lol

They consider Israel their homeland and have made this clear. Israel is as much their home as the US and share this with others. Is that wrong to refer to it as their country? Should I frame it as their ‘other country’ ‘their homeland’ which is acceptable?

For someone who claims to be “just asking” and not have much stake in the matter, you sure do seem to be awfully persistent about this. Who exactly are all of these Jewish friends of yours and can you explain more the actual context of these discussions?

I live in a town that’s around 33% Jewish American, we have orthodox, hasidic, conservative, the whole spectrum here. It appears that any nonjew who broaches the topic of Isreal is immediately shut down or branded an antisemite for saying something deemed offensive.

I can echo this experience and I'm sure so many others can do the same

Yes so many others are controlled by Jews!

It seems to me that any place where Jews are more than a tiny minority people start believing that they are being controlled by Jews. A relative of mine sends his kids to a New York rich suburban school and told me openly he believes that Jews dominate and control the school. When I pointed out that the actual numbers show Jews a minority there he still would not back down.

I think what really makes you mad is that in an area with a sizable fraction of Jews you cannot just say whatever you want about it.

It only takes one nasty bully to ruin it for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Answer the question does antizionism equal antisemitism. I don’t care if there are American jews in the marines etc. no kidding. My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being both and will not really engage with any nonjew who questions anything, they shutdown the convo immediately. This seems a little narrow minded and frankly unfair. That is why I am on this forum as I am terrified to even broach the topic with any American acquaintances who are Jewish.

Did you read the OP? That’s the entire topic of this thread. If by antizionism you mean criticism of the Israeli government then no, it’s not antisemitic on its own (but could be motivated by antisemitism). If by antizionism you mean thinking the state of Israel should be dismantled then yeah, that’s very probably antisemitic.

“My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being [antisemitic]”
You keep hijacking threads to talk about this alleged bullying incident at your child’s school. I have a really hard time believing your kid was branded an antisemite simply for criticizing the Israeli government, but idk maybe. Kids are dumb and cruel sometimes. That doesn’t justify your insane persecution complex. You seem to think the Jews are out to get you and ruin your life if you so much as breathe a word about Israel and uhhh……look around you ma’am. Anti-Israel sentiment is incredibly pervasive. People don’t seem AT ALL afraid to be very very open about it.

Yes, unfortunately it is true my DC is seen by the jewish community as being antisemitic and the Jewish americans I am acquainted with are not open and engaging as far as any inquiries regarding their country. It’s very off putting.

Give it up lady. Your local synagogue does not have a wanted poster for your 8 year old. Also “Jewish Americans” are … US citizens. Israel is not “their country.”

No, but I don’t appreciate my DC being falsely accused as being a racist/bigot. This is slander and you wouldn’t like it if it were happening to your child. I am aware that Americans are American citizens, however the American jews I have associated with consider Israel their homeland.

You still have not provided all the details of this “false accusation” - and then generalizing whatever happened between children to come to conclusions about antisemitism is obviously problematic. Especially when you seem to have absolutely zero instinct or understanding about what is actually antisemitic (such as — assuming all American Jews are also Israeli). I’m also curious about what exactly your supposed Jewish friends told you. My guess is you are misunderstanding.

Is branding a child as being a racist/bigot/antisemite ever acceptable? No adults were present for this conversation but ultimately the Jewish American parents supported their DC branding my DC antisemite because they felt threatened due to a conversation between children about the middle east. I am not an antisemite and neither is my DC. This family rarely will even engage with me at all, how would they even know what my thoughts were?

who “branded” your child anything? You sound extremely defensive. Even if this once incident is true, it says nothing about the overall discussion. All we know is that the Jewish child felt offended. The way schools deal with that stuff could be an entirely different thread.

This jewish family branded my DC anantisemite.

You are going to have to provide more details.

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Anonymous wrote:Answer the question does antizionism equal antisemitism. I don’t care if there are American jews in the marines etc. no kidding. My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being both and will not really engage with any nonjew who questions anything, they shutdown the convo immediately. This seems a little narrow minded and frankly unfair. That is why I am on this forum as I am terrified to even broach the topic with any American acquaintances who are Jewish.

Did you read the OP? That’s the entire topic of this thread. If by antizionism you mean criticism of the Israeli government then no, it’s not antisemitic on its own (but could be motivated by antisemitism). If by antizionism you mean thinking the state of Israel should be dismantled then yeah, that’s very probably antisemitic.

“My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being [antisemitic]”
You keep hijacking threads to talk about this alleged bullying incident at your child’s school. I have a really hard time believing your kid was branded an antisemite simply for criticizing the Israeli government, but idk maybe. Kids are dumb and cruel sometimes. That doesn’t justify your insane persecution complex. You seem to think the Jews are out to get you and ruin your life if you so much as breathe a word about Israel and uhhh……look around you ma’am. Anti-Israel sentiment is incredibly pervasive. People don’t seem AT ALL afraid to be very very open about it.

Yes, unfortunately it is true my DC is seen by the jewish community as being antisemitic and the Jewish americans I am acquainted with are not open and engaging as far as any inquiries regarding their country. It’s very off putting.

Are you approaching random American Jews and inquiring as to their views on “their country”? Yikes lol

They consider Israel their homeland and have made this clear. Israel is as much their home as the US and share this with others. Is that wrong to refer to it as their country? Should I frame it as their ‘other country’ ‘their homeland’ which is acceptable?

For someone who claims to be “just asking” and not have much stake in the matter, you sure do seem to be awfully persistent about this. Who exactly are all of these Jewish friends of yours and can you explain more the actual context of these discussions?

I live in a town that’s around 33% Jewish American, we have orthodox, hasidic, conservative, the whole spectrum here. It appears that any nonjew who broaches the topic of Isreal is immediately shut down or branded an antisemite for saying something deemed offensive.

I can echo this experience and I'm sure so many others can do the same

Yes so many others are controlled by Jews!

It seems to me that any place where Jews are more than a tiny minority people start believing that they are being controlled by Jews. A relative of mine sends his kids to a New York rich suburban school and told me openly he believes that Jews dominate and control the school. When I pointed out that the actual numbers show Jews a minority there he still would not back down.

I think what really makes you mad is that in an area with a sizable fraction of Jews you cannot just say whatever you want about it.

It only takes one nasty bully to ruin it for everyone.

What a cop out. I actually have a story about my own kid with autism being subjected to an unfair accusation of racial bias in elementary school. It was absurd, discriminatory based on his disability, and a total overreaction. What did I do? I gave an earful to the people supposedly “investigating” and that was that. what did I NOT do? assume, based on that one incident, that all black people are lying and exaggerating about racism.

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Anonymous wrote:Answer the question does antizionism equal antisemitism. I don’t care if there are American jews in the marines etc. no kidding. My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being both and will not really engage with any nonjew who questions anything, they shutdown the convo immediately. This seems a little narrow minded and frankly unfair. That is why I am on this forum as I am terrified to even broach the topic with any American acquaintances who are Jewish.

Did you read the OP? That’s the entire topic of this thread. If by antizionism you mean criticism of the Israeli government then no, it’s not antisemitic on its own (but could be motivated by antisemitism). If by antizionism you mean thinking the state of Israel should be dismantled then yeah, that’s very probably antisemitic.

“My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being [antisemitic]”
You keep hijacking threads to talk about this alleged bullying incident at your child’s school. I have a really hard time believing your kid was branded an antisemite simply for criticizing the Israeli government, but idk maybe. Kids are dumb and cruel sometimes. That doesn’t justify your insane persecution complex. You seem to think the Jews are out to get you and ruin your life if you so much as breathe a word about Israel and uhhh……look around you ma’am. Anti-Israel sentiment is incredibly pervasive. People don’t seem AT ALL afraid to be very very open about it.

Yes, unfortunately it is true my DC is seen by the jewish community as being antisemitic and the Jewish americans I am acquainted with are not open and engaging as far as any inquiries regarding their country. It’s very off putting.

Give it up lady. Your local synagogue does not have a wanted poster for your 8 year old. Also “Jewish Americans” are … US citizens. Israel is not “their country.”

No, but I don’t appreciate my DC being falsely accused as being a racist/bigot. This is slander and you wouldn’t like it if it were happening to your child. I am aware that Americans are American citizens, however the American jews I have associated with consider Israel their homeland.

You still have not provided all the details of this “false accusation” - and then generalizing whatever happened between children to come to conclusions about antisemitism is obviously problematic. Especially when you seem to have absolutely zero instinct or understanding about what is actually antisemitic (such as — assuming all American Jews are also Israeli). I’m also curious about what exactly your supposed Jewish friends told you. My guess is you are misunderstanding.

Is branding a child as being a racist/bigot/antisemite ever acceptable? No adults were present for this conversation but ultimately the Jewish American parents supported their DC branding my DC antisemite because they felt threatened due to a conversation between children about the middle east. I am not an antisemite and neither is my DC. This family rarely will even engage with me at all, how would they even know what my thoughts were?

who “branded” your child anything? You sound extremely defensive. Even if this once incident is true, it says nothing about the overall discussion. All we know is that the Jewish child felt offended. The way schools deal with that stuff could be an entirely different thread.

This jewish family branded my DC anantisemite.

You are going to have to provide more details.

I’d rather she didn’t actually. She got another thread about antisemitism locked because she kept interjecting and derailing the conversation. This has been a productive thread overall and I don’t want to give her the power to single-handedly shut it down.

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Anonymous wrote:Answer the question does antizionism equal antisemitism. I don’t care if there are American jews in the marines etc. no kidding. My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being both and will not really engage with any nonjew who questions anything, they shutdown the convo immediately. This seems a little narrow minded and frankly unfair. That is why I am on this forum as I am terrified to even broach the topic with any American acquaintances who are Jewish.

Did you read the OP? That’s the entire topic of this thread. If by antizionism you mean criticism of the Israeli government then no, it’s not antisemitic on its own (but could be motivated by antisemitism). If by antizionism you mean thinking the state of Israel should be dismantled then yeah, that’s very probably antisemitic.

“My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being [antisemitic]”
You keep hijacking threads to talk about this alleged bullying incident at your child’s school. I have a really hard time believing your kid was branded an antisemite simply for criticizing the Israeli government, but idk maybe. Kids are dumb and cruel sometimes. That doesn’t justify your insane persecution complex. You seem to think the Jews are out to get you and ruin your life if you so much as breathe a word about Israel and uhhh……look around you ma’am. Anti-Israel sentiment is incredibly pervasive. People don’t seem AT ALL afraid to be very very open about it.

Yes, unfortunately it is true my DC is seen by the jewish community as being antisemitic and the Jewish americans I am acquainted with are not open and engaging as far as any inquiries regarding their country. It’s very off putting.

Give it up lady. Your local synagogue does not have a wanted poster for your 8 year old. Also “Jewish Americans” are … US citizens. Israel is not “their country.”

No, but I don’t appreciate my DC being falsely accused as being a racist/bigot. This is slander and you wouldn’t like it if it were happening to your child. I am aware that Americans are American citizens, however the American jews I have associated with consider Israel their homeland.

You still have not provided all the details of this “false accusation” - and then generalizing whatever happened between children to come to conclusions about antisemitism is obviously problematic. Especially when you seem to have absolutely zero instinct or understanding about what is actually antisemitic (such as — assuming all American Jews are also Israeli). I’m also curious about what exactly your supposed Jewish friends told you. My guess is you are misunderstanding.

Is branding a child as being a racist/bigot/antisemite ever acceptable? No adults were present for this conversation but ultimately the Jewish American parents supported their DC branding my DC antisemite because they felt threatened due to a conversation between children about the middle east. I am not an antisemite and neither is my DC. This family rarely will even engage with me at all, how would they even know what my thoughts were?

who “branded” your child anything? You sound extremely defensive. Even if this once incident is true, it says nothing about the overall discussion. All we know is that the Jewish child felt offended. The way schools deal with that stuff could be an entirely different thread.

This jewish family branded my DC anantisemite.

You are going to have to provide more details.

A conversation between a jewish and nonjewish child, children are people under 18 years old, where no adults were present. Jewish child was offended and felt threatened by other nonjewish child for objecting to Israel killing Palestinians, and then called nonjewish child antisemitic and spread this around school which consists of a very large jewish population. Told the entire homeroom where teacher is Jewish that child is antisemitic. Jewish Parents support the fact that jewish child felt threatened by such statements and upheld the antisemitic label.

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Anonymous wrote:Answer the question does antizionism equal antisemitism. I don’t care if there are American jews in the marines etc. no kidding. My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being both and will not really engage with any nonjew who questions anything, they shutdown the convo immediately. This seems a little narrow minded and frankly unfair. That is why I am on this forum as I am terrified to even broach the topic with any American acquaintances who are Jewish.

Did you read the OP? That’s the entire topic of this thread. If by antizionism you mean criticism of the Israeli government then no, it’s not antisemitic on its own (but could be motivated by antisemitism). If by antizionism you mean thinking the state of Israel should be dismantled then yeah, that’s very probably antisemitic.

“My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being [antisemitic]”
You keep hijacking threads to talk about this alleged bullying incident at your child’s school. I have a really hard time believing your kid was branded an antisemite simply for criticizing the Israeli government, but idk maybe. Kids are dumb and cruel sometimes. That doesn’t justify your insane persecution complex. You seem to think the Jews are out to get you and ruin your life if you so much as breathe a word about Israel and uhhh……look around you ma’am. Anti-Israel sentiment is incredibly pervasive. People don’t seem AT ALL afraid to be very very open about it.

Yes, unfortunately it is true my DC is seen by the jewish community as being antisemitic and the Jewish americans I am acquainted with are not open and engaging as far as any inquiries regarding their country. It’s very off putting.

Give it up lady. Your local synagogue does not have a wanted poster for your 8 year old. Also “Jewish Americans” are … US citizens. Israel is not “their country.”

No, but I don’t appreciate my DC being falsely accused as being a racist/bigot. This is slander and you wouldn’t like it if it were happening to your child. I am aware that Americans are American citizens, however the American jews I have associated with consider Israel their homeland.

You still have not provided all the details of this “false accusation” - and then generalizing whatever happened between children to come to conclusions about antisemitism is obviously problematic. Especially when you seem to have absolutely zero instinct or understanding about what is actually antisemitic (such as — assuming all American Jews are also Israeli). I’m also curious about what exactly your supposed Jewish friends told you. My guess is you are misunderstanding.

Is branding a child as being a racist/bigot/antisemite ever acceptable? No adults were present for this conversation but ultimately the Jewish American parents supported their DC branding my DC antisemite because they felt threatened due to a conversation between children about the middle east. I am not an antisemite and neither is my DC. This family rarely will even engage with me at all, how would they even know what my thoughts were?

who “branded” your child anything? You sound extremely defensive. Even if this once incident is true, it says nothing about the overall discussion. All we know is that the Jewish child felt offended. The way schools deal with that stuff could be an entirely different thread.

This jewish family branded my DC anantisemite.

You are going to have to provide more details.

I’d rather she didn’t actually. She got another thread about antisemitism locked because she kept interjecting and derailing the conversation. This has been a productive thread overall and I don’t want to give her the power to single-handedly shut it down.

Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:Answer the question does antizionism equal antisemitism. I don’t care if there are American jews in the marines etc. no kidding. My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being both and will not really engage with any nonjew who questions anything, they shutdown the convo immediately. This seems a little narrow minded and frankly unfair. That is why I am on this forum as I am terrified to even broach the topic with any American acquaintances who are Jewish.

Did you read the OP? That’s the entire topic of this thread. If by antizionism you mean criticism of the Israeli government then no, it’s not antisemitic on its own (but could be motivated by antisemitism). If by antizionism you mean thinking the state of Israel should be dismantled then yeah, that’s very probably antisemitic.

“My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being [antisemitic]”
You keep hijacking threads to talk about this alleged bullying incident at your child’s school. I have a really hard time believing your kid was branded an antisemite simply for criticizing the Israeli government, but idk maybe. Kids are dumb and cruel sometimes. That doesn’t justify your insane persecution complex. You seem to think the Jews are out to get you and ruin your life if you so much as breathe a word about Israel and uhhh……look around you ma’am. Anti-Israel sentiment is incredibly pervasive. People don’t seem AT ALL afraid to be very very open about it.

Yes, unfortunately it is true my DC is seen by the jewish community as being antisemitic and the Jewish americans I am acquainted with are not open and engaging as far as any inquiries regarding their country. It’s very off putting.

Give it up lady. Your local synagogue does not have a wanted poster for your 8 year old. Also “Jewish Americans” are … US citizens. Israel is not “their country.”

No, but I don’t appreciate my DC being falsely accused as being a racist/bigot. This is slander and you wouldn’t like it if it were happening to your child. I am aware that Americans are American citizens, however the American jews I have associated with consider Israel their homeland.

You still have not provided all the details of this “false accusation” - and then generalizing whatever happened between children to come to conclusions about antisemitism is obviously problematic. Especially when you seem to have absolutely zero instinct or understanding about what is actually antisemitic (such as — assuming all American Jews are also Israeli). I’m also curious about what exactly your supposed Jewish friends told you. My guess is you are misunderstanding.

Is branding a child as being a racist/bigot/antisemite ever acceptable? No adults were present for this conversation but ultimately the Jewish American parents supported their DC branding my DC antisemite because they felt threatened due to a conversation between children about the middle east. I am not an antisemite and neither is my DC. This family rarely will even engage with me at all, how would they even know what my thoughts were?

who “branded” your child anything? You sound extremely defensive. Even if this once incident is true, it says nothing about the overall discussion. All we know is that the Jewish child felt offended. The way schools deal with that stuff could be an entirely different thread.

This jewish family branded my DC anantisemite.

You are going to have to provide more details.

A conversation between a jewish and nonjewish child, children are people under 18 years old, where no adults were present. Jewish child was offended and felt threatened by other nonjewish child for objecting to Israel killing Palestinians, and then called nonjewish child antisemitic and spread this around school which consists of a very large jewish population. Told the entire homeroom where teacher is Jewish that child is antisemitic. Jewish Parents support the fact that jewish child felt threatened by such statements and upheld the antisemitic label.

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Sorry, but any kid who interprets criticism of Israel (i.e., its leadership), the nation’s policies and actions, or its citizenry who support those policies and actions as “antisemitism” is a brainwashed idiot. And that kid’s parents are dishonest idiots. The end.

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Anonymous wrote:Answer the question does antizionism equal antisemitism. I don’t care if there are American jews in the marines etc. no kidding. My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being both and will not really engage with any nonjew who questions anything, they shutdown the convo immediately. This seems a little narrow minded and frankly unfair. That is why I am on this forum as I am terrified to even broach the topic with any American acquaintances who are Jewish.

Did you read the OP? That’s the entire topic of this thread. If by antizionism you mean criticism of the Israeli government then no, it’s not antisemitic on its own (but could be motivated by antisemitism). If by antizionism you mean thinking the state of Israel should be dismantled then yeah, that’s very probably antisemitic.

“My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being [antisemitic]”
You keep hijacking threads to talk about this alleged bullying incident at your child’s school. I have a really hard time believing your kid was branded an antisemite simply for criticizing the Israeli government, but idk maybe. Kids are dumb and cruel sometimes. That doesn’t justify your insane persecution complex. You seem to think the Jews are out to get you and ruin your life if you so much as breathe a word about Israel and uhhh……look around you ma’am. Anti-Israel sentiment is incredibly pervasive. People don’t seem AT ALL afraid to be very very open about it.

Yes, unfortunately it is true my DC is seen by the jewish community as being antisemitic and the Jewish americans I am acquainted with are not open and engaging as far as any inquiries regarding their country. It’s very off putting.

Give it up lady. Your local synagogue does not have a wanted poster for your 8 year old. Also “Jewish Americans” are … US citizens. Israel is not “their country.”

No, but I don’t appreciate my DC being falsely accused as being a racist/bigot. This is slander and you wouldn’t like it if it were happening to your child. I am aware that Americans are American citizens, however the American jews I have associated with consider Israel their homeland.

You still have not provided all the details of this “false accusation” - and then generalizing whatever happened between children to come to conclusions about antisemitism is obviously problematic. Especially when you seem to have absolutely zero instinct or understanding about what is actually antisemitic (such as — assuming all American Jews are also Israeli). I’m also curious about what exactly your supposed Jewish friends told you. My guess is you are misunderstanding.

Is branding a child as being a racist/bigot/antisemite ever acceptable? No adults were present for this conversation but ultimately the Jewish American parents supported their DC branding my DC antisemite because they felt threatened due to a conversation between children about the middle east. I am not an antisemite and neither is my DC. This family rarely will even engage with me at all, how would they even know what my thoughts were?

who “branded” your child anything? You sound extremely defensive. Even if this once incident is true, it says nothing about the overall discussion. All we know is that the Jewish child felt offended. The way schools deal with that stuff could be an entirely different thread.

This jewish family branded my DC anantisemite.

You are going to have to provide more details.

I’d rather she didn’t actually. She got another thread about antisemitism locked because she kept interjecting and derailing the conversation. This has been a productive thread overall and I don’t want to give her the power to single-handedly shut it down.

The conversation topic is antizionism is not antisemitism. It seems like first hand anecdotes involving these issues are irrelevant unless it fits a certain narrative.

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Anonymous wrote:Answer the question does antizionism equal antisemitism. I don’t care if there are American jews in the marines etc. no kidding. My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being both and will not really engage with any nonjew who questions anything, they shutdown the convo immediately. This seems a little narrow minded and frankly unfair. That is why I am on this forum as I am terrified to even broach the topic with any American acquaintances who are Jewish.

Did you read the OP? That’s the entire topic of this thread. If by antizionism you mean criticism of the Israeli government then no, it’s not antisemitic on its own (but could be motivated by antisemitism). If by antizionism you mean thinking the state of Israel should be dismantled then yeah, that’s very probably antisemitic.

“My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being [antisemitic]”
You keep hijacking threads to talk about this alleged bullying incident at your child’s school. I have a really hard time believing your kid was branded an antisemite simply for criticizing the Israeli government, but idk maybe. Kids are dumb and cruel sometimes. That doesn’t justify your insane persecution complex. You seem to think the Jews are out to get you and ruin your life if you so much as breathe a word about Israel and uhhh……look around you ma’am. Anti-Israel sentiment is incredibly pervasive. People don’t seem AT ALL afraid to be very very open about it.

Yes, unfortunately it is true my DC is seen by the jewish community as being antisemitic and the Jewish americans I am acquainted with are not open and engaging as far as any inquiries regarding their country. It’s very off putting.

Give it up lady. Your local synagogue does not have a wanted poster for your 8 year old. Also “Jewish Americans” are … US citizens. Israel is not “their country.”

No, but I don’t appreciate my DC being falsely accused as being a racist/bigot. This is slander and you wouldn’t like it if it were happening to your child. I am aware that Americans are American citizens, however the American jews I have associated with consider Israel their homeland.

You still have not provided all the details of this “false accusation” - and then generalizing whatever happened between children to come to conclusions about antisemitism is obviously problematic. Especially when you seem to have absolutely zero instinct or understanding about what is actually antisemitic (such as — assuming all American Jews are also Israeli). I’m also curious about what exactly your supposed Jewish friends told you. My guess is you are misunderstanding.

Is branding a child as being a racist/bigot/antisemite ever acceptable? No adults were present for this conversation but ultimately the Jewish American parents supported their DC branding my DC antisemite because they felt threatened due to a conversation between children about the middle east. I am not an antisemite and neither is my DC. This family rarely will even engage with me at all, how would they even know what my thoughts were?

who “branded” your child anything? You sound extremely defensive. Even if this once incident is true, it says nothing about the overall discussion. All we know is that the Jewish child felt offended. The way schools deal with that stuff could be an entirely different thread.

This jewish family branded my DC anantisemite.

You are going to have to provide more details.

I’d rather she didn’t actually. She got another thread about antisemitism locked because she kept interjecting and derailing the conversation. This has been a productive thread overall and I don’t want to give her the power to single-handedly shut it down.

The conversation topic is antizionism is not antisemitism. It seems like first hand anecdotes involving these issues are irrelevant unless it fits a certain narrative.

Ok sure, but what universal truths do you suppose we can extrapolate from this one alleged schoolyard bullying incident? Parents will stick up for their bully kids? Ok then. No one on this thread is arguing that “Israel is killing people” is an antisemitic statement. Move on.

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Anonymous wrote:Answer the question does antizionism equal antisemitism. I don’t care if there are American jews in the marines etc. no kidding. My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being both and will not really engage with any nonjew who questions anything, they shutdown the convo immediately. This seems a little narrow minded and frankly unfair. That is why I am on this forum as I am terrified to even broach the topic with any American acquaintances who are Jewish.

Did you read the OP? That’s the entire topic of this thread. If by antizionism you mean criticism of the Israeli government then no, it’s not antisemitic on its own (but could be motivated by antisemitism). If by antizionism you mean thinking the state of Israel should be dismantled then yeah, that’s very probably antisemitic.

“My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being [antisemitic]”
You keep hijacking threads to talk about this alleged bullying incident at your child’s school. I have a really hard time believing your kid was branded an antisemite simply for criticizing the Israeli government, but idk maybe. Kids are dumb and cruel sometimes. That doesn’t justify your insane persecution complex. You seem to think the Jews are out to get you and ruin your life if you so much as breathe a word about Israel and uhhh……look around you ma’am. Anti-Israel sentiment is incredibly pervasive. People don’t seem AT ALL afraid to be very very open about it.

Yes, unfortunately it is true my DC is seen by the jewish community as being antisemitic and the Jewish americans I am acquainted with are not open and engaging as far as any inquiries regarding their country. It’s very off putting.

Give it up lady. Your local synagogue does not have a wanted poster for your 8 year old. Also “Jewish Americans” are … US citizens. Israel is not “their country.”

No, but I don’t appreciate my DC being falsely accused as being a racist/bigot. This is slander and you wouldn’t like it if it were happening to your child. I am aware that Americans are American citizens, however the American jews I have associated with consider Israel their homeland.

You still have not provided all the details of this “false accusation” - and then generalizing whatever happened between children to come to conclusions about antisemitism is obviously problematic. Especially when you seem to have absolutely zero instinct or understanding about what is actually antisemitic (such as — assuming all American Jews are also Israeli). I’m also curious about what exactly your supposed Jewish friends told you. My guess is you are misunderstanding.

Is branding a child as being a racist/bigot/antisemite ever acceptable? No adults were present for this conversation but ultimately the Jewish American parents supported their DC branding my DC antisemite because they felt threatened due to a conversation between children about the middle east. I am not an antisemite and neither is my DC. This family rarely will even engage with me at all, how would they even know what my thoughts were?

who “branded” your child anything? You sound extremely defensive. Even if this once incident is true, it says nothing about the overall discussion. All we know is that the Jewish child felt offended. The way schools deal with that stuff could be an entirely different thread.

This jewish family branded my DC anantisemite.

You are going to have to provide more details.

I’d rather she didn’t actually. She got another thread about antisemitism locked because she kept interjecting and derailing the conversation. This has been a productive thread overall and I don’t want to give her the power to single-handedly shut it down.

The conversation topic is antizionism is not antisemitism. It seems like first hand anecdotes involving these issues are irrelevant unless it fits a certain narrative.

Ok sure, but what universal truths do you suppose we can extrapolate from this one alleged schoolyard bullying incident? Parents will stick up for their bully kids? Ok then. No one on this thread is arguing that “Israel is killing people” is an antisemitic statement. Move on.

This is obviously more than a bullying incident particularly because we live amongst thousands of Jews. Now I have to figure out how to pick up the pieces and navigate my DC through all of this in the most politically correct, benign, nonoffensive way possible as a nonjew.

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Anonymous wrote:Answer the question does antizionism equal antisemitism. I don’t care if there are American jews in the marines etc. no kidding. My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being both and will not really engage with any nonjew who questions anything, they shutdown the convo immediately. This seems a little narrow minded and frankly unfair. That is why I am on this forum as I am terrified to even broach the topic with any American acquaintances who are Jewish.

Did you read the OP? That’s the entire topic of this thread. If by antizionism you mean criticism of the Israeli government then no, it’s not antisemitic on its own (but could be motivated by antisemitism). If by antizionism you mean thinking the state of Israel should be dismantled then yeah, that’s very probably antisemitic.

“My Jewish friends believe these words are synonymous and have hastily branded anyone including children who state negative attitudes towards Israel as being [antisemitic]”
You keep hijacking threads to talk about this alleged bullying incident at your child’s school. I have a really hard time believing your kid was branded an antisemite simply for criticizing the Israeli government, but idk maybe. Kids are dumb and cruel sometimes. That doesn’t justify your insane persecution complex. You seem to think the Jews are out to get you and ruin your life if you so much as breathe a word about Israel and uhhh……look around you ma’am. Anti-Israel sentiment is incredibly pervasive. People don’t seem AT ALL afraid to be very very open about it.

Yes, unfortunately it is true my DC is seen by the jewish community as being antisemitic and the Jewish americans I am acquainted with are not open and engaging as far as any inquiries regarding their country. It’s very off putting.

Give it up lady. Your local synagogue does not have a wanted poster for your 8 year old. Also “Jewish Americans” are … US citizens. Israel is not “their country.”

No, but I don’t appreciate my DC being falsely accused as being a racist/bigot. This is slander and you wouldn’t like it if it were happening to your child. I am aware that Americans are American citizens, however the American jews I have associated with consider Israel their homeland.

You still have not provided all the details of this “false accusation” - and then generalizing whatever happened between children to come to conclusions about antisemitism is obviously problematic. Especially when you seem to have absolutely zero instinct or understanding about what is actually antisemitic (such as — assuming all American Jews are also Israeli). I’m also curious about what exactly your supposed Jewish friends told you. My guess is you are misunderstanding.

Is branding a child as being a racist/bigot/antisemite ever acceptable? No adults were present for this conversation but ultimately the Jewish American parents supported their DC branding my DC antisemite because they felt threatened due to a conversation between children about the middle east. I am not an antisemite and neither is my DC. This family rarely will even engage with me at all, how would they even know what my thoughts were?

who “branded” your child anything? You sound extremely defensive. Even if this once incident is true, it says nothing about the overall discussion. All we know is that the Jewish child felt offended. The way schools deal with that stuff could be an entirely different thread.

This jewish family branded my DC anantisemite.

You are going to have to provide more details.

I’d rather she didn’t actually. She got another thread about antisemitism locked because she kept interjecting and derailing the conversation. This has been a productive thread overall and I don’t want to give her the power to single-handedly shut it down.

The conversation topic is antizionism is not antisemitism. It seems like first hand anecdotes involving these issues are irrelevant unless it fits a certain narrative.

Ok sure, but what universal truths do you suppose we can extrapolate from this one alleged schoolyard bullying incident? Parents will stick up for their bully kids? Ok then. No one on this thread is arguing that “Israel is killing people” is an antisemitic statement. Move on.

This is obviously more than a bullying incident particularly because we live amongst thousands of Jews. Now I have to figure out how to pick up the pieces and navigate my DC through all of this in the most politically correct, benign, nonoffensive way possible as a nonjew.

Good luck with all that.

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I don’t think the other kid or his or her parents have to do the emotional labor of explaining anti-Jewish racism to your kid (or you). The other kid is a whole kid who is entitled to their feelings and reactions. They do not need your good opinion to function and I doubt you want or need theirs. Plus, hating on Jews is super hip these days. May actually make DC more friend. I’m sure your kid has also gone up to his or Salvadoran classmates and given them an earful about death squads or his Afghani classmates about gender apartheid and child marriageable. Maybe suggest model UN?