Girls' Academy has also been approved to become a U.S. Soccer member!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with ECNL is if NWSL partners with them the way MLS did with what became MLSN they have no control over how a league is setup implemented and run. More specifically if ECNL is involved they'll want to do showcases and get college recruiters etc involved. Also ECNL has shown that if they don't get what they want they'll work as a group and "take their ball and go home".

From a business perspective all NWSL (just like MLS) wants from a youth league is access to young talent. They don't care about college. They just need a "minor league" where their 2nd teams (aka academy teams) can play against reasonable competition.

This is why GA is a much more appealing way for NWSL to partner with youth.

Maybe NWSL could do something with ECNL but they'd have to implement a league within a league that only focused on playing professionally. But again why would you want to do this when you don't need to and you'd get all the control vs working with ECNL leadership.

MLS didn’t want to work with US Soccer or partner with youth leagues. They wanted the freedom to run their academies and their league the way they want so they made their own league.

It is hilarious that you believe that when NWSL, a professional league, is ready to run academies that they will partner with any youth league. They won’t.

They will do what MLS did and just make their own league when the time is right. All of your pinning your hopes and dreams that somehow GA is the Apple of NWSL’s eye is simply delusional.

Non NWSL clubs will apply be accepted and a new league is formed. This is how it ends.

Sigh .. You have no idea what you're talking about.

US Soccer created DA which blew up in 2020 and became MLS Next and GA.

Now NWSL leadership is saying that they're working with US Soccer.

If NWSL is working with US Soccer it means they're also working with GA.

Sigh, US Soccer emphatically ended being in the youth soccer game. They are more than happy to let MLS do their thing and develop players and US Soccer will do the same with NWSL.

US Soccer is no longer in the youth development business. They scout, assemble train and play now. That’s it.

NWSL will form their own league when the time is right and will choose from the best clubs outside of their own academies, which will the top tier.

Neither GA not ECNL will have an inside track.

What if I told you that the same people that created DA also created MLSN and GA.

US Soccer might have gotten away from directly telling clubs how to coach players. But they're still in the background when it comes to leagues.

What if I told you MLS created MLS next and there are only 10 or so former DA clubs left in GA.

MLS was leaving DA before DA pulled the plug. That was one of the reasons it ended, US Soccer knew MLS was going to do their own thing because they no longer wanted heavy handed US Soccer oversight.

In short, MLS clubs wanted an academy system that served their needs over US Soccer’s needs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with ECNL is if NWSL partners with them the way MLS did with what became MLSN they have no control over how a league is setup implemented and run. More specifically if ECNL is involved they'll want to do showcases and get college recruiters etc involved. Also ECNL has shown that if they don't get what they want they'll work as a group and "take their ball and go home".

From a business perspective all NWSL (just like MLS) wants from a youth league is access to young talent. They don't care about college. They just need a "minor league" where their 2nd teams (aka academy teams) can play against reasonable competition.

This is why GA is a much more appealing way for NWSL to partner with youth.

Maybe NWSL could do something with ECNL but they'd have to implement a league within a league that only focused on playing professionally. But again why would you want to do this when you don't need to and you'd get all the control vs working with ECNL leadership.

MLS didn’t want to work with US Soccer or partner with youth leagues. They wanted the freedom to run their academies and their league the way they want so they made their own league.

It is hilarious that you believe that when NWSL, a professional league, is ready to run academies that they will partner with any youth league. They won’t.

They will do what MLS did and just make their own league when the time is right. All of your pinning your hopes and dreams that somehow GA is the Apple of NWSL’s eye is simply delusional.

Non NWSL clubs will apply be accepted and a new league is formed. This is how it ends.

Sigh .. You have no idea what you're talking about.

US Soccer created DA which blew up in 2020 and became MLS Next and GA.

Now NWSL leadership is saying that they're working with US Soccer.

If NWSL is working with US Soccer it means they're also working with GA.

Sigh, US Soccer emphatically ended being in the youth soccer game. They are more than happy to let MLS do their thing and develop players and US Soccer will do the same with NWSL.

US Soccer is no longer in the youth development business. They scout, assemble train and play now. That’s it.

NWSL will form their own league when the time is right and will choose from the best clubs outside of their own academies, which will the top tier.

Neither GA not ECNL will have an inside track.

What if I told you that the same people that created DA also created MLSN and GA.

US Soccer might have gotten away from directly telling clubs how to coach players. But they're still in the background when it comes to leagues.

What if I told you MLS created MLS next and there are only 10 or so former DA clubs left in GA.

MLS was leaving DA before DA pulled the plug. That was one of the reasons it ended, US Soccer knew MLS was going to do their own thing because they no longer wanted heavy handed US Soccer oversight.

In short, MLS clubs wanted an academy system that served their needs over US Soccer’s needs.

What you're saying is just wrong.

MLS worked with US Soccer and they created DA. Later when DA blew up US Soccer and MLS created MLSN.

What's funny about your statement is that people complain all the time that US Soccer gives MLS anything they want with MLSN.

[Anonymous]

Let's look at US Soccers leadership...

President
Cindy Parlow Cone (former national team player and NWSL coach, USSF executive)

Pro Council Representatives
Jessica Berman (NWSL Commissioner)
Don Garber (MLS Commissioner and CEO)
Amanda Vandervort (President of USL Super League)

Athlete Representatives
Chris Ahrens (paralympian national team player)
Nelson Akwari (former MLS and USL player)
Sean Boyle (paralympian national team player)
Lori Lindsey (former national team, WPS, and NWSL player; current NWSL, MLS, USL broadcast analyst)
Danielle Slaton (former national team, WPS, and NWSL player)
Whitney Engen (former national team and NWSL player)

Yea there's no chance NWSL would create a league without US Soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's look at US Soccers leadership...

President
Cindy Parlow Cone (former national team player and NWSL coach, USSF executive)

Pro Council Representatives
Jessica Berman (NWSL Commissioner)
Don Garber (MLS Commissioner and CEO)
Amanda Vandervort (President of USL Super League)

Athlete Representatives
Chris Ahrens (paralympian national team player)
Nelson Akwari (former MLS and USL player)
Sean Boyle (paralympian national team player)
Lori Lindsey (former national team, WPS, and NWSL player; current NWSL, MLS, USL broadcast analyst)
Danielle Slaton (former national team, WPS, and NWSL player)
Whitney Engen (former national team and NWSL player)

Yea there's no chance NWSL would create a league without US Soccer.

So what. High level soccer people serving on other soccer boards.

Here is the list of Apple’s Board of Directors members:

Board of Directors

Arthur D. Levinson
Chairman of the Board, Apple Founder and CEO
Calico
Wanda Austin, Ph.D.
Former President and CEO
The Aerospace Corporation
Tim Cook
CEO
Apple

Alex Gorsky
Former Executive Chair
Johnson & Johnson

Andrea Jung
President and CEO
Grameen America

Monica Lozano
Former President and CEO
College Futures Foundation

Ronald D. Sugar, Ph.D.
Former Chair and CEO
Northrop Grumman Corporation

Susan L. Wagner
Co-Founder and Director
BlackRock

This is how business is done, but NWSL will do what is in their best interest. If their agenda aligns with US Soccer, then great but otherwise NWSL will do what is in the best interest of their league over US Soccer’s need for 18 players.

How many USWNT players are currently playing in Europe? Do you think US Soccer cares where they play? Is US Soccer telling Premier league clubs how to develop our players?

MLS and US Soccer sharing the same board room is a common thing regarding the sharing of ideas from a broad spectrum of soccer experience. This doesn’t mean US Soccer is going to form a youth league again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's look at US Soccers leadership...

President
Cindy Parlow Cone (former national team player and NWSL coach, USSF executive)

Pro Council Representatives
Jessica Berman (NWSL Commissioner)
Don Garber (MLS Commissioner and CEO)
Amanda Vandervort (President of USL Super League)

Athlete Representatives
Chris Ahrens (paralympian national team player)
Nelson Akwari (former MLS and USL player)
Sean Boyle (paralympian national team player)
Lori Lindsey (former national team, WPS, and NWSL player; current NWSL, MLS, USL broadcast analyst)
Danielle Slaton (former national team, WPS, and NWSL player)
Whitney Engen (former national team and NWSL player)

Yea there's no chance NWSL would create a league without US Soccer.

So what. High level soccer people serving on other soccer boards.

This is how business is done, but NWSL will do what is in their best interest. If their agenda aligns with US Soccer, then great but otherwise NWSL will do what is in the best interest of their league over US Soccer’s need for 18 players.

How many USWNT players are currently playing in Europe? Do you think US Soccer cares where they play? Is US Soccer telling Premier league clubs how to develop our players?

MLS and US Soccer sharing the same board room is a common thing regarding the sharing of ideas from a broad spectrum of soccer experience. This doesn’t mean US Soccer is going to form a youth league again.

So you think...

NWSL former players coaches and execs are just sitting on US Soccers board and not doing anything.

In leadership positions on in an entity that defines and manages leagues in Anerica.

Come on, I realize that you're just arguing to try and "win" an argument. But seriously you look stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's look at US Soccers leadership...

President
Cindy Parlow Cone (former national team player and NWSL coach, USSF executive)

Pro Council Representatives
Jessica Berman (NWSL Commissioner)
Don Garber (MLS Commissioner and CEO)
Amanda Vandervort (President of USL Super League)

Athlete Representatives
Chris Ahrens (paralympian national team player)
Nelson Akwari (former MLS and USL player)
Sean Boyle (paralympian national team player)
Lori Lindsey (former national team, WPS, and NWSL player; current NWSL, MLS, USL broadcast analyst)
Danielle Slaton (former national team, WPS, and NWSL player)
Whitney Engen (former national team and NWSL player)

Yea there's no chance NWSL would create a league without US Soccer.

So what. High level soccer people serving on other soccer boards.

This is how business is done, but NWSL will do what is in their best interest. If their agenda aligns with US Soccer, then great but otherwise NWSL will do what is in the best interest of their league over US Soccer’s need for 18 players.

How many USWNT players are currently playing in Europe? Do you think US Soccer cares where they play? Is US Soccer telling Premier league clubs how to develop our players?

MLS and US Soccer sharing the same board room is a common thing regarding the sharing of ideas from a broad spectrum of soccer experience. This doesn’t mean US Soccer is going to form a youth league again.

So you think...

NWSL former players coaches and execs are just sitting on US Soccers board and not doing anything.

In leadership positions on in an entity that defines and manages leagues in Anerica.

Come on, I realize that you're just arguing to try and "win" an argument. But seriously you look stupid.

Do you think Northrop Grumman and Blackrock are making decisions for Apple because they are on the BOD?

Is Apple building a Jet because Northrop is on their board or is Northrop building a phone?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's look at US Soccers leadership...

President
Cindy Parlow Cone (former national team player and NWSL coach, USSF executive)

Pro Council Representatives
Jessica Berman (NWSL Commissioner)
Don Garber (MLS Commissioner and CEO)
Amanda Vandervort (President of USL Super League)

Athlete Representatives
Chris Ahrens (paralympian national team player)
Nelson Akwari (former MLS and USL player)
Sean Boyle (paralympian national team player)
Lori Lindsey (former national team, WPS, and NWSL player; current NWSL, MLS, USL broadcast analyst)
Danielle Slaton (former national team, WPS, and NWSL player)
Whitney Engen (former national team and NWSL player)

Yea there's no chance NWSL would create a league without US Soccer.

So what. High level soccer people serving on other soccer boards.

This is how business is done, but NWSL will do what is in their best interest. If their agenda aligns with US Soccer, then great but otherwise NWSL will do what is in the best interest of their league over US Soccer’s need for 18 players.

How many USWNT players are currently playing in Europe? Do you think US Soccer cares where they play? Is US Soccer telling Premier league clubs how to develop our players?

MLS and US Soccer sharing the same board room is a common thing regarding the sharing of ideas from a broad spectrum of soccer experience. This doesn’t mean US Soccer is going to form a youth league again.

So you think...

NWSL former players coaches and execs are just sitting on US Soccers board and not doing anything.

In leadership positions on in an entity that defines and manages leagues in Anerica.

Come on, I realize that you're just arguing to try and "win" an argument. But seriously you look stupid.

Do you think Northrop Grumman and Blackrock are making decisions for Apple because they are on the BOD?

Is Apple building a Jet because Northrop is on their board or is Northrop building a phone?

Just to be clear the NWSL MLS players coaches and execs the other person posted aren't on a Board of Directors.

They are in leadership positions at US Soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's look at US Soccers leadership...

President
Cindy Parlow Cone (former national team player and NWSL coach, USSF executive)

Pro Council Representatives
Jessica Berman (NWSL Commissioner)
Don Garber (MLS Commissioner and CEO)
Amanda Vandervort (President of USL Super League)

Athlete Representatives
Chris Ahrens (paralympian national team player)
Nelson Akwari (former MLS and USL player)
Sean Boyle (paralympian national team player)
Lori Lindsey (former national team, WPS, and NWSL player; current NWSL, MLS, USL broadcast analyst)
Danielle Slaton (former national team, WPS, and NWSL player)
Whitney Engen (former national team and NWSL player)

Yea there's no chance NWSL would create a league without US Soccer.

So what. High level soccer people serving on other soccer boards.

This is how business is done, but NWSL will do what is in their best interest. If their agenda aligns with US Soccer, then great but otherwise NWSL will do what is in the best interest of their league over US Soccer’s need for 18 players.

How many USWNT players are currently playing in Europe? Do you think US Soccer cares where they play? Is US Soccer telling Premier league clubs how to develop our players?

MLS and US Soccer sharing the same board room is a common thing regarding the sharing of ideas from a broad spectrum of soccer experience. This doesn’t mean US Soccer is going to form a youth league again.

So you think...

NWSL former players coaches and execs are just sitting on US Soccers board and not doing anything.

In leadership positions on in an entity that defines and manages leagues in Anerica.

Come on, I realize that you're just arguing to try and "win" an argument. But seriously you look stupid.

Do you think Northrop Grumman and Blackrock are making decisions for Apple because they are on the BOD?

Is Apple building a Jet because Northrop is on their board or is Northrop building a phone?

Just to be clear the NWSL MLS players coaches and execs the other person posted aren't on a Board of Directors.

They are in leadership positions at US Soccer.

Thank you!

This other guy is ridiculous in the mental gymnastics he's going through to try and diminish US Soccer's role in soccer in America.

What's going to be interesting is when GA people start getting into leadership positions at US Soccer. This is likely one of the reasons GA was promoted to being a full member.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with ECNL is if NWSL partners with them the way MLS did with what became MLSN they have no control over how a league is setup implemented and run. More specifically if ECNL is involved they'll want to do showcases and get college recruiters etc involved. Also ECNL has shown that if they don't get what they want they'll work as a group and "take their ball and go home".

From a business perspective all NWSL (just like MLS) wants from a youth league is access to young talent. They don't care about college. They just need a "minor league" where their 2nd teams (aka academy teams) can play against reasonable competition.

This is why GA is a much more appealing way for NWSL to partner with youth.

Maybe NWSL could do something with ECNL but they'd have to implement a league within a league that only focused on playing professionally. But again why would you want to do this when you don't need to and you'd get all the control vs working with ECNL leadership.

MLS didn’t want to work with US Soccer or partner with youth leagues. They wanted the freedom to run their academies and their league the way they want so they made their own league.

It is hilarious that you believe that when NWSL, a professional league, is ready to run academies that they will partner with any youth league. They won’t.

They will do what MLS did and just make their own league when the time is right. All of your pinning your hopes and dreams that somehow GA is the Apple of NWSL’s eye is simply delusional.

Non NWSL clubs will apply be accepted and a new league is formed. This is how it ends.

And all the legacy DA clubs are first ones signed on. Most are the core of GA now, but not all so again its not GA vs ECNL thing. Stupid argument, simply put GA is better setup/stuctured for this, that doesnt make them better or worse just going to be in a favorable position to benefit from this when it happens. Clubs like Surf, PDA, Slammer, Solar, are so big and successful that it will be impossible to not include them. No clubs like that around here, so maybe GA is more beneficial in that case, when this happens. It could be 10 years away so who cares.

Correct, structurally GA is a better fit for NWSL than ECNL just like MLSN is for MLS.

My bet is that GA creates a league within a league that just includes NWSL acadamies and selected GA and maybe ECNL clubs. This would give everyone what they want. The only potential downside would be girls ECNL booting clubs that participate. But that won't work with the bigger clubs.

Simply put, a Professional league is able to form a league son their own and run it as they see fit to run. They don’t need to align with a preexisting youth league and partner.

MLS wanted autonomy and NWSL will learn from that lesson. Sorry, but there is no need to find a league that “aligns” with your mission when you can simply make a league that is run by you and those who join agree to your terms.

NWSL would be better to design a league, pitch it to all clubs and let them decide and apply on their own. Why straddle yourself to legacy leagues and their alignments and clubs when you can pick from all ECNL and GA clubs and pick from the best that fit your needs.

Yes you are correct, and GA clubs are structured to manever naturally into that becuause they are not concerned with this key question and potential roadblock, How does this affect the boys program"

This isn't rocket science, GA for girls, MLSN for boys. ECNL do your thing with college soccer

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with ECNL is if NWSL partners with them the way MLS did with what became MLSN they have no control over how a league is setup implemented and run. More specifically if ECNL is involved they'll want to do showcases and get college recruiters etc involved. Also ECNL has shown that if they don't get what they want they'll work as a group and "take their ball and go home".

From a business perspective all NWSL (just like MLS) wants from a youth league is access to young talent. They don't care about college. They just need a "minor league" where their 2nd teams (aka academy teams) can play against reasonable competition.

This is why GA is a much more appealing way for NWSL to partner with youth.

Maybe NWSL could do something with ECNL but they'd have to implement a league within a league that only focused on playing professionally. But again why would you want to do this when you don't need to and you'd get all the control vs working with ECNL leadership.

MLS didn’t want to work with US Soccer or partner with youth leagues. They wanted the freedom to run their academies and their league the way they want so they made their own league.

It is hilarious that you believe that when NWSL, a professional league, is ready to run academies that they will partner with any youth league. They won’t.

They will do what MLS did and just make their own league when the time is right. All of your pinning your hopes and dreams that somehow GA is the Apple of NWSL’s eye is simply delusional.

Non NWSL clubs will apply be accepted and a new league is formed. This is how it ends.

And all the legacy DA clubs are first ones signed on. Most are the core of GA now, but not all so again its not GA vs ECNL thing. Stupid argument, simply put GA is better setup/stuctured for this, that doesnt make them better or worse just going to be in a favorable position to benefit from this when it happens. Clubs like Surf, PDA, Slammer, Solar, are so big and successful that it will be impossible to not include them. No clubs like that around here, so maybe GA is more beneficial in that case, when this happens. It could be 10 years away so who cares.

Correct, structurally GA is a better fit for NWSL than ECNL just like MLSN is for MLS.

My bet is that GA creates a league within a league that just includes NWSL acadamies and selected GA and maybe ECNL clubs. This would give everyone what they want. The only potential downside would be girls ECNL booting clubs that participate. But that won't work with the bigger clubs.

Simply put, a Professional league is able to form a league son their own and run it as they see fit to run. They don’t need to align with a preexisting youth league and partner.

MLS wanted autonomy and NWSL will learn from that lesson. Sorry, but there is no need to find a league that “aligns” with your mission when you can simply make a league that is run by you and those who join agree to your terms.

NWSL would be better to design a league, pitch it to all clubs and let them decide and apply on their own. Why straddle yourself to legacy leagues and their alignments and clubs when you can pick from all ECNL and GA clubs and pick from the best that fit your needs.

Yes you are correct, and GA clubs are structured to manever naturally into that becuause they are not concerned with this key question and potential roadblock, How does this affect the boys program"

This isn't rocket science, GA for girls, MLSN for boys. ECNL do your thing with college soccer

100% agree and what I've been saying for a while.

With boys its already a forgone conclusion that if you want to play professionally you need to get involved with MLSN at some point.

The problem is with girls there hasn't been a true professional pathway that doesn't involve playing in college. Groups like ECNL have exploited this by catering college access to youth clubs who make much more $$$ preparing players for college than playing professionally. Girls soccer is the cash cow for many clubs. If a female pro pathway focused league with academy teams started up it wouldn't allow clubs to collect talent anymore. Which also means superteams would be hard to keep together unless they were an Academy team participating in the academy league.

Once NWSL flips the homegrown rule switch girls youth soccer will go bananas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with ECNL is if NWSL partners with them the way MLS did with what became MLSN they have no control over how a league is setup implemented and run. More specifically if ECNL is involved they'll want to do showcases and get college recruiters etc involved. Also ECNL has shown that if they don't get what they want they'll work as a group and "take their ball and go home".

From a business perspective all NWSL (just like MLS) wants from a youth league is access to young talent. They don't care about college. They just need a "minor league" where their 2nd teams (aka academy teams) can play against reasonable competition.

This is why GA is a much more appealing way for NWSL to partner with youth.

Maybe NWSL could do something with ECNL but they'd have to implement a league within a league that only focused on playing professionally. But again why would you want to do this when you don't need to and you'd get all the control vs working with ECNL leadership.

MLS didn’t want to work with US Soccer or partner with youth leagues. They wanted the freedom to run their academies and their league the way they want so they made their own league.

It is hilarious that you believe that when NWSL, a professional league, is ready to run academies that they will partner with any youth league. They won’t.

They will do what MLS did and just make their own league when the time is right. All of your pinning your hopes and dreams that somehow GA is the Apple of NWSL’s eye is simply delusional.

Non NWSL clubs will apply be accepted and a new league is formed. This is how it ends.

And all the legacy DA clubs are first ones signed on. Most are the core of GA now, but not all so again its not GA vs ECNL thing. Stupid argument, simply put GA is better setup/stuctured for this, that doesnt make them better or worse just going to be in a favorable position to benefit from this when it happens. Clubs like Surf, PDA, Slammer, Solar, are so big and successful that it will be impossible to not include them. No clubs like that around here, so maybe GA is more beneficial in that case, when this happens. It could be 10 years away so who cares.

Correct, structurally GA is a better fit for NWSL than ECNL just like MLSN is for MLS.

My bet is that GA creates a league within a league that just includes NWSL acadamies and selected GA and maybe ECNL clubs. This would give everyone what they want. The only potential downside would be girls ECNL booting clubs that participate. But that won't work with the bigger clubs.

Simply put, a Professional league is able to form a league son their own and run it as they see fit to run. They don’t need to align with a preexisting youth league and partner.

MLS wanted autonomy and NWSL will learn from that lesson. Sorry, but there is no need to find a league that “aligns” with your mission when you can simply make a league that is run by you and those who join agree to your terms.

NWSL would be better to design a league, pitch it to all clubs and let them decide and apply on their own. Why straddle yourself to legacy leagues and their alignments and clubs when you can pick from all ECNL and GA clubs and pick from the best that fit your needs.

Yes you are correct, and GA clubs are structured to manever naturally into that becuause they are not concerned with this key question and potential roadblock, How does this affect the boys program"

This isn't rocket science, GA for girls, MLSN for boys. ECNL do your thing with college soccer

This would make sense. Leave the collegiate style game for ECNL, global game to the other two. Doesn't exclude colleges from getting players from GAL if that style suits the school.

[Anonymous]

You get it, yup! Not complicated, everyone wins. Where’s the buzzkill guy, Mr. Soccernomics to poke holes in this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with ECNL is if NWSL partners with them the way MLS did with what became MLSN they have no control over how a league is setup implemented and run. More specifically if ECNL is involved they'll want to do showcases and get college recruiters etc involved. Also ECNL has shown that if they don't get what they want they'll work as a group and "take their ball and go home".

From a business perspective all NWSL (just like MLS) wants from a youth league is access to young talent. They don't care about college. They just need a "minor league" where their 2nd teams (aka academy teams) can play against reasonable competition.

This is why GA is a much more appealing way for NWSL to partner with youth.

Maybe NWSL could do something with ECNL but they'd have to implement a league within a league that only focused on playing professionally. But again why would you want to do this when you don't need to and you'd get all the control vs working with ECNL leadership.

MLS didn’t want to work with US Soccer or partner with youth leagues. They wanted the freedom to run their academies and their league the way they want so they made their own league.

It is hilarious that you believe that when NWSL, a professional league, is ready to run academies that they will partner with any youth league. They won’t.

They will do what MLS did and just make their own league when the time is right. All of your pinning your hopes and dreams that somehow GA is the Apple of NWSL’s eye is simply delusional.

Non NWSL clubs will apply be accepted and a new league is formed. This is how it ends.

And all the legacy DA clubs are first ones signed on. Most are the core of GA now, but not all so again its not GA vs ECNL thing. Stupid argument, simply put GA is better setup/stuctured for this, that doesnt make them better or worse just going to be in a favorable position to benefit from this when it happens. Clubs like Surf, PDA, Slammer, Solar, are so big and successful that it will be impossible to not include them. No clubs like that around here, so maybe GA is more beneficial in that case, when this happens. It could be 10 years away so who cares.

Correct, structurally GA is a better fit for NWSL than ECNL just like MLSN is for MLS.

My bet is that GA creates a league within a league that just includes NWSL acadamies and selected GA and maybe ECNL clubs. This would give everyone what they want. The only potential downside would be girls ECNL booting clubs that participate. But that won't work with the bigger clubs.

Simply put, a Professional league is able to form a league son their own and run it as they see fit to run. They don’t need to align with a preexisting youth league and partner.

MLS wanted autonomy and NWSL will learn from that lesson. Sorry, but there is no need to find a league that “aligns” with your mission when you can simply make a league that is run by you and those who join agree to your terms.

NWSL would be better to design a league, pitch it to all clubs and let them decide and apply on their own. Why straddle yourself to legacy leagues and their alignments and clubs when you can pick from all ECNL and GA clubs and pick from the best that fit your needs.

Yes you are correct, and GA clubs are structured to manever naturally into that becuause they are not concerned with this key question and potential roadblock, How does this affect the boys program"

This isn't rocket science, GA for girls, MLSN for boys. ECNL do your thing with college soccer

100% agree and what I've been saying for a while.

With boys its already a forgone conclusion that if you want to play professionally you need to get involved with MLSN at some point.

The problem is with girls there hasn't been a true professional pathway that doesn't involve playing in college. Groups like ECNL have exploited this by catering college access to youth clubs who make much more $$$ preparing players for college than playing professionally. Girls soccer is the cash cow for many clubs. If a female pro pathway focused league with academy teams started up it wouldn't allow clubs to collect talent anymore. Which also means superteams would be hard to keep together unless they were an Academy team participating in the academy league.

Once NWSL flips the homegrown rule switch girls youth soccer will go bananas.

But on the girls side most do not want pro. They want college. Like 90%.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with ECNL is if NWSL partners with them the way MLS did with what became MLSN they have no control over how a league is setup implemented and run. More specifically if ECNL is involved they'll want to do showcases and get college recruiters etc involved. Also ECNL has shown that if they don't get what they want they'll work as a group and "take their ball and go home".

From a business perspective all NWSL (just like MLS) wants from a youth league is access to young talent. They don't care about college. They just need a "minor league" where their 2nd teams (aka academy teams) can play against reasonable competition.

This is why GA is a much more appealing way for NWSL to partner with youth.

Maybe NWSL could do something with ECNL but they'd have to implement a league within a league that only focused on playing professionally. But again why would you want to do this when you don't need to and you'd get all the control vs working with ECNL leadership.

MLS didn’t want to work with US Soccer or partner with youth leagues. They wanted the freedom to run their academies and their league the way they want so they made their own league.

It is hilarious that you believe that when NWSL, a professional league, is ready to run academies that they will partner with any youth league. They won’t.

They will do what MLS did and just make their own league when the time is right. All of your pinning your hopes and dreams that somehow GA is the Apple of NWSL’s eye is simply delusional.

Non NWSL clubs will apply be accepted and a new league is formed. This is how it ends.

And all the legacy DA clubs are first ones signed on. Most are the core of GA now, but not all so again its not GA vs ECNL thing. Stupid argument, simply put GA is better setup/stuctured for this, that doesnt make them better or worse just going to be in a favorable position to benefit from this when it happens. Clubs like Surf, PDA, Slammer, Solar, are so big and successful that it will be impossible to not include them. No clubs like that around here, so maybe GA is more beneficial in that case, when this happens. It could be 10 years away so who cares.

Correct, structurally GA is a better fit for NWSL than ECNL just like MLSN is for MLS.

My bet is that GA creates a league within a league that just includes NWSL acadamies and selected GA and maybe ECNL clubs. This would give everyone what they want. The only potential downside would be girls ECNL booting clubs that participate. But that won't work with the bigger clubs.

Simply put, a Professional league is able to form a league son their own and run it as they see fit to run. They don’t need to align with a preexisting youth league and partner.

MLS wanted autonomy and NWSL will learn from that lesson. Sorry, but there is no need to find a league that “aligns” with your mission when you can simply make a league that is run by you and those who join agree to your terms.

NWSL would be better to design a league, pitch it to all clubs and let them decide and apply on their own. Why straddle yourself to legacy leagues and their alignments and clubs when you can pick from all ECNL and GA clubs and pick from the best that fit your needs.

Yes you are correct, and GA clubs are structured to manever naturally into that becuause they are not concerned with this key question and potential roadblock, How does this affect the boys program"

This isn't rocket science, GA for girls, MLSN for boys. ECNL do your thing with college soccer

100% agree and what I've been saying for a while.

With boys its already a forgone conclusion that if you want to play professionally you need to get involved with MLSN at some point.

The problem is with girls there hasn't been a true professional pathway that doesn't involve playing in college. Groups like ECNL have exploited this by catering college access to youth clubs who make much more $$$ preparing players for college than playing professionally. Girls soccer is the cash cow for many clubs. If a female pro pathway focused league with academy teams started up it wouldn't allow clubs to collect talent anymore. Which also means superteams would be hard to keep together unless they were an Academy team participating in the academy league.

Once NWSL flips the homegrown rule switch girls youth soccer will go bananas.

But on the girls side most do not want pro. They want college. Like 90%.

And you know this how?

Do you walk around asking girls if they want to play professionally?

Ridiculous statement by and idiot know it all.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with ECNL is if NWSL partners with them the way MLS did with what became MLSN they have no control over how a league is setup implemented and run. More specifically if ECNL is involved they'll want to do showcases and get college recruiters etc involved. Also ECNL has shown that if they don't get what they want they'll work as a group and "take their ball and go home".

From a business perspective all NWSL (just like MLS) wants from a youth league is access to young talent. They don't care about college. They just need a "minor league" where their 2nd teams (aka academy teams) can play against reasonable competition.

This is why GA is a much more appealing way for NWSL to partner with youth.

Maybe NWSL could do something with ECNL but they'd have to implement a league within a league that only focused on playing professionally. But again why would you want to do this when you don't need to and you'd get all the control vs working with ECNL leadership.

MLS didn’t want to work with US Soccer or partner with youth leagues. They wanted the freedom to run their academies and their league the way they want so they made their own league.

It is hilarious that you believe that when NWSL, a professional league, is ready to run academies that they will partner with any youth league. They won’t.

They will do what MLS did and just make their own league when the time is right. All of your pinning your hopes and dreams that somehow GA is the Apple of NWSL’s eye is simply delusional.

Non NWSL clubs will apply be accepted and a new league is formed. This is how it ends.

And all the legacy DA clubs are first ones signed on. Most are the core of GA now, but not all so again its not GA vs ECNL thing. Stupid argument, simply put GA is better setup/stuctured for this, that doesnt make them better or worse just going to be in a favorable position to benefit from this when it happens. Clubs like Surf, PDA, Slammer, Solar, are so big and successful that it will be impossible to not include them. No clubs like that around here, so maybe GA is more beneficial in that case, when this happens. It could be 10 years away so who cares.

Correct, structurally GA is a better fit for NWSL than ECNL just like MLSN is for MLS.

My bet is that GA creates a league within a league that just includes NWSL acadamies and selected GA and maybe ECNL clubs. This would give everyone what they want. The only potential downside would be girls ECNL booting clubs that participate. But that won't work with the bigger clubs.

Simply put, a Professional league is able to form a league son their own and run it as they see fit to run. They don’t need to align with a preexisting youth league and partner.

MLS wanted autonomy and NWSL will learn from that lesson. Sorry, but there is no need to find a league that “aligns” with your mission when you can simply make a league that is run by you and those who join agree to your terms.

NWSL would be better to design a league, pitch it to all clubs and let them decide and apply on their own. Why straddle yourself to legacy leagues and their alignments and clubs when you can pick from all ECNL and GA clubs and pick from the best that fit your needs.

Yes you are correct, and GA clubs are structured to manever naturally into that becuause they are not concerned with this key question and potential roadblock, How does this affect the boys program"

This isn't rocket science, GA for girls, MLSN for boys. ECNL do your thing with college soccer

100% agree and what I've been saying for a while.

With boys its already a forgone conclusion that if you want to play professionally you need to get involved with MLSN at some point.

The problem is with girls there hasn't been a true professional pathway that doesn't involve playing in college. Groups like ECNL have exploited this by catering college access to youth clubs who make much more $$$ preparing players for college than playing professionally. Girls soccer is the cash cow for many clubs. If a female pro pathway focused league with academy teams started up it wouldn't allow clubs to collect talent anymore. Which also means superteams would be hard to keep together unless they were an Academy team participating in the academy league.

Once NWSL flips the homegrown rule switch girls youth soccer will go bananas.

But on the girls side most do not want pro. They want college. Like 90%.

Lol, the girls or their parents?