Girls' Academy has also been approved to become a U.S. Soccer member!

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with ECNL is if NWSL partners with them the way MLS did with what became MLSN they have no control over how a league is setup implemented and run. More specifically if ECNL is involved they'll want to do showcases and get college recruiters etc involved. Also ECNL has shown that if they don't get what they want they'll work as a group and "take their ball and go home".

From a business perspective all NWSL (just like MLS) wants from a youth league is access to young talent. They don't care about college. They just need a "minor league" where their 2nd teams (aka academy teams) can play against reasonable competition.

This is why GA is a much more appealing way for NWSL to partner with youth.

Maybe NWSL could do something with ECNL but they'd have to implement a league within a league that only focused on playing professionally. But again why would you want to do this when you don't need to and you'd get all the control vs working with ECNL leadership.

MLS didn’t want to work with US Soccer or partner with youth leagues. They wanted the freedom to run their academies and their league the way they want so they made their own league.

It is hilarious that you believe that when NWSL, a professional league, is ready to run academies that they will partner with any youth league. They won’t.

They will do what MLS did and just make their own league when the time is right. All of your pinning your hopes and dreams that somehow GA is the Apple of NWSL’s eye is simply delusional.

Non NWSL clubs will apply be accepted and a new league is formed. This is how it ends.

And all the legacy DA clubs are first ones signed on. Most are the core of GA now, but not all so again its not GA vs ECNL thing. Stupid argument, simply put GA is better setup/stuctured for this, that doesnt make them better or worse just going to be in a favorable position to benefit from this when it happens. Clubs like Surf, PDA, Slammer, Solar, are so big and successful that it will be impossible to not include them. No clubs like that around here, so maybe GA is more beneficial in that case, when this happens. It could be 10 years away so who cares.

Correct, structurally GA is a better fit for NWSL than ECNL just like MLSN is for MLS.

My bet is that GA creates a league within a league that just includes NWSL acadamies and selected GA and maybe ECNL clubs. This would give everyone what they want. The only potential downside would be girls ECNL booting clubs that participate. But that won't work with the bigger clubs.

Simply put, a Professional league is able to form a league son their own and run it as they see fit to run. They don’t need to align with a preexisting youth league and partner.

MLS wanted autonomy and NWSL will learn from that lesson. Sorry, but there is no need to find a league that “aligns” with your mission when you can simply make a league that is run by you and those who join agree to your terms.

NWSL would be better to design a league, pitch it to all clubs and let them decide and apply on their own. Why straddle yourself to legacy leagues and their alignments and clubs when you can pick from all ECNL and GA clubs and pick from the best that fit your needs.

Yes you are correct, and GA clubs are structured to manever naturally into that becuause they are not concerned with this key question and potential roadblock, How does this affect the boys program"

This isn't rocket science, GA for girls, MLSN for boys. ECNL do your thing with college soccer

100% agree and what I've been saying for a while.

With boys its already a forgone conclusion that if you want to play professionally you need to get involved with MLSN at some point.

The problem is with girls there hasn't been a true professional pathway that doesn't involve playing in college. Groups like ECNL have exploited this by catering college access to youth clubs who make much more $$$ preparing players for college than playing professionally. Girls soccer is the cash cow for many clubs. If a female pro pathway focused league with academy teams started up it wouldn't allow clubs to collect talent anymore. Which also means superteams would be hard to keep together unless they were an Academy team participating in the academy league.

Once NWSL flips the homegrown rule switch girls youth soccer will go bananas.

But on the girls side most do not want pro. They want college. Like 90%.

And you know this how?

Do you walk around asking girls if they want to play professionally?

Ridiculous statement by and idiot know it all.

Girls wouldn’t give up HS soccer for DA.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with ECNL is if NWSL partners with them the way MLS did with what became MLSN they have no control over how a league is setup implemented and run. More specifically if ECNL is involved they'll want to do showcases and get college recruiters etc involved. Also ECNL has shown that if they don't get what they want they'll work as a group and "take their ball and go home".

From a business perspective all NWSL (just like MLS) wants from a youth league is access to young talent. They don't care about college. They just need a "minor league" where their 2nd teams (aka academy teams) can play against reasonable competition.

This is why GA is a much more appealing way for NWSL to partner with youth.

Maybe NWSL could do something with ECNL but they'd have to implement a league within a league that only focused on playing professionally. But again why would you want to do this when you don't need to and you'd get all the control vs working with ECNL leadership.

MLS didn’t want to work with US Soccer or partner with youth leagues. They wanted the freedom to run their academies and their league the way they want so they made their own league.

It is hilarious that you believe that when NWSL, a professional league, is ready to run academies that they will partner with any youth league. They won’t.

They will do what MLS did and just make their own league when the time is right. All of your pinning your hopes and dreams that somehow GA is the Apple of NWSL’s eye is simply delusional.

Non NWSL clubs will apply be accepted and a new league is formed. This is how it ends.

And all the legacy DA clubs are first ones signed on. Most are the core of GA now, but not all so again its not GA vs ECNL thing. Stupid argument, simply put GA is better setup/stuctured for this, that doesnt make them better or worse just going to be in a favorable position to benefit from this when it happens. Clubs like Surf, PDA, Slammer, Solar, are so big and successful that it will be impossible to not include them. No clubs like that around here, so maybe GA is more beneficial in that case, when this happens. It could be 10 years away so who cares.

Correct, structurally GA is a better fit for NWSL than ECNL just like MLSN is for MLS.

My bet is that GA creates a league within a league that just includes NWSL acadamies and selected GA and maybe ECNL clubs. This would give everyone what they want. The only potential downside would be girls ECNL booting clubs that participate. But that won't work with the bigger clubs.

Simply put, a Professional league is able to form a league son their own and run it as they see fit to run. They don’t need to align with a preexisting youth league and partner.

MLS wanted autonomy and NWSL will learn from that lesson. Sorry, but there is no need to find a league that “aligns” with your mission when you can simply make a league that is run by you and those who join agree to your terms.

NWSL would be better to design a league, pitch it to all clubs and let them decide and apply on their own. Why straddle yourself to legacy leagues and their alignments and clubs when you can pick from all ECNL and GA clubs and pick from the best that fit your needs.

Yes you are correct, and GA clubs are structured to manever naturally into that becuause they are not concerned with this key question and potential roadblock, How does this affect the boys program"

This isn't rocket science, GA for girls, MLSN for boys. ECNL do your thing with college soccer

100% agree and what I've been saying for a while.

With boys its already a forgone conclusion that if you want to play professionally you need to get involved with MLSN at some point.

The problem is with girls there hasn't been a true professional pathway that doesn't involve playing in college. Groups like ECNL have exploited this by catering college access to youth clubs who make much more $$$ preparing players for college than playing professionally. Girls soccer is the cash cow for many clubs. If a female pro pathway focused league with academy teams started up it wouldn't allow clubs to collect talent anymore. Which also means superteams would be hard to keep together unless they were an Academy team participating in the academy league.

Once NWSL flips the homegrown rule switch girls youth soccer will go bananas.

But on the girls side most do not want pro. They want college. Like 90%.

And you know this how?

Do you walk around asking girls if they want to play professionally?

Ridiculous statement by and idiot know it all.

Girls wouldn’t give up HS soccer for DA.

Hahaha pulling out whatever tired rehash you can think of.

If a player is good enough to play on an Academy team HS soccer isn't a concern. By freshman year they have an idea if they're good enough to play professionally.

And if playing professionally isn't in the cards they can always play on an ECNL team. (Which allows HS soccer)

BTW the reason MLSN doesn't allow HS soccer is because different regions play at different times of the year. This makes it impossible to run a nationwide league.

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Okay, I’ll bite: what is GA?

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Anonymous wrote:Okay, I’ll bite: what is GA?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girls_Academy

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with ECNL is if NWSL partners with them the way MLS did with what became MLSN they have no control over how a league is setup implemented and run. More specifically if ECNL is involved they'll want to do showcases and get college recruiters etc involved. Also ECNL has shown that if they don't get what they want they'll work as a group and "take their ball and go home".

From a business perspective all NWSL (just like MLS) wants from a youth league is access to young talent. They don't care about college. They just need a "minor league" where their 2nd teams (aka academy teams) can play against reasonable competition.

This is why GA is a much more appealing way for NWSL to partner with youth.

Maybe NWSL could do something with ECNL but they'd have to implement a league within a league that only focused on playing professionally. But again why would you want to do this when you don't need to and you'd get all the control vs working with ECNL leadership.

MLS didn’t want to work with US Soccer or partner with youth leagues. They wanted the freedom to run their academies and their league the way they want so they made their own league.

It is hilarious that you believe that when NWSL, a professional league, is ready to run academies that they will partner with any youth league. They won’t.

They will do what MLS did and just make their own league when the time is right. All of your pinning your hopes and dreams that somehow GA is the Apple of NWSL’s eye is simply delusional.

Non NWSL clubs will apply be accepted and a new league is formed. This is how it ends.

And all the legacy DA clubs are first ones signed on. Most are the core of GA now, but not all so again its not GA vs ECNL thing. Stupid argument, simply put GA is better setup/stuctured for this, that doesnt make them better or worse just going to be in a favorable position to benefit from this when it happens. Clubs like Surf, PDA, Slammer, Solar, are so big and successful that it will be impossible to not include them. No clubs like that around here, so maybe GA is more beneficial in that case, when this happens. It could be 10 years away so who cares.

Correct, structurally GA is a better fit for NWSL than ECNL just like MLSN is for MLS.

My bet is that GA creates a league within a league that just includes NWSL acadamies and selected GA and maybe ECNL clubs. This would give everyone what they want. The only potential downside would be girls ECNL booting clubs that participate. But that won't work with the bigger clubs.

Simply put, a Professional league is able to form a league son their own and run it as they see fit to run. They don’t need to align with a preexisting youth league and partner.

MLS wanted autonomy and NWSL will learn from that lesson. Sorry, but there is no need to find a league that “aligns” with your mission when you can simply make a league that is run by you and those who join agree to your terms.

NWSL would be better to design a league, pitch it to all clubs and let them decide and apply on their own. Why straddle yourself to legacy leagues and their alignments and clubs when you can pick from all ECNL and GA clubs and pick from the best that fit your needs.

Yes you are correct, and GA clubs are structured to manever naturally into that becuause they are not concerned with this key question and potential roadblock, How does this affect the boys program"

This isn't rocket science, GA for girls, MLSN for boys. ECNL do your thing with college soccer

100% agree and what I've been saying for a while.

With boys its already a forgone conclusion that if you want to play professionally you need to get involved with MLSN at some point.

The problem is with girls there hasn't been a true professional pathway that doesn't involve playing in college. Groups like ECNL have exploited this by catering college access to youth clubs who make much more $$$ preparing players for college than playing professionally. Girls soccer is the cash cow for many clubs. If a female pro pathway focused league with academy teams started up it wouldn't allow clubs to collect talent anymore. Which also means superteams would be hard to keep together unless they were an Academy team participating in the academy league.

Once NWSL flips the homegrown rule switch girls youth soccer will go bananas.

But on the girls side most do not want pro. They want college. Like 90%.

And you know this how?

Do you walk around asking girls if they want to play professionally?

Ridiculous statement by and idiot know it all.

Girls wouldn’t give up HS soccer for DA.

Hahaha pulling out whatever tired rehash you can think of.

If a player is good enough to play on an Academy team HS soccer isn't a concern. By freshman year they have an idea if they're good enough to play professionally.

And if playing professionally isn't in the cards they can always play on an ECNL team. (Which allows HS soccer)

BTW the reason MLSN doesn't allow HS soccer is because different regions play at different times of the year. This makes it impossible to run a nationwide league.

Yeah, boys didn’t care as much about HS as girls did.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with ECNL is if NWSL partners with them the way MLS did with what became MLSN they have no control over how a league is setup implemented and run. More specifically if ECNL is involved they'll want to do showcases and get college recruiters etc involved. Also ECNL has shown that if they don't get what they want they'll work as a group and "take their ball and go home".

From a business perspective all NWSL (just like MLS) wants from a youth league is access to young talent. They don't care about college. They just need a "minor league" where their 2nd teams (aka academy teams) can play against reasonable competition.

This is why GA is a much more appealing way for NWSL to partner with youth.

Maybe NWSL could do something with ECNL but they'd have to implement a league within a league that only focused on playing professionally. But again why would you want to do this when you don't need to and you'd get all the control vs working with ECNL leadership.

MLS didn’t want to work with US Soccer or partner with youth leagues. They wanted the freedom to run their academies and their league the way they want so they made their own league.

It is hilarious that you believe that when NWSL, a professional league, is ready to run academies that they will partner with any youth league. They won’t.

They will do what MLS did and just make their own league when the time is right. All of your pinning your hopes and dreams that somehow GA is the Apple of NWSL’s eye is simply delusional.

Non NWSL clubs will apply be accepted and a new league is formed. This is how it ends.

And all the legacy DA clubs are first ones signed on. Most are the core of GA now, but not all so again its not GA vs ECNL thing. Stupid argument, simply put GA is better setup/stuctured for this, that doesnt make them better or worse just going to be in a favorable position to benefit from this when it happens. Clubs like Surf, PDA, Slammer, Solar, are so big and successful that it will be impossible to not include them. No clubs like that around here, so maybe GA is more beneficial in that case, when this happens. It could be 10 years away so who cares.

Correct, structurally GA is a better fit for NWSL than ECNL just like MLSN is for MLS.

My bet is that GA creates a league within a league that just includes NWSL acadamies and selected GA and maybe ECNL clubs. This would give everyone what they want. The only potential downside would be girls ECNL booting clubs that participate. But that won't work with the bigger clubs.

Simply put, a Professional league is able to form a league son their own and run it as they see fit to run. They don’t need to align with a preexisting youth league and partner.

MLS wanted autonomy and NWSL will learn from that lesson. Sorry, but there is no need to find a league that “aligns” with your mission when you can simply make a league that is run by you and those who join agree to your terms.

NWSL would be better to design a league, pitch it to all clubs and let them decide and apply on their own. Why straddle yourself to legacy leagues and their alignments and clubs when you can pick from all ECNL and GA clubs and pick from the best that fit your needs.

Yes you are correct, and GA clubs are structured to manever naturally into that becuause they are not concerned with this key question and potential roadblock, How does this affect the boys program"

This isn't rocket science, GA for girls, MLSN for boys. ECNL do your thing with college soccer

100% agree and what I've been saying for a while.

With boys its already a forgone conclusion that if you want to play professionally you need to get involved with MLSN at some point.

The problem is with girls there hasn't been a true professional pathway that doesn't involve playing in college. Groups like ECNL have exploited this by catering college access to youth clubs who make much more $$$ preparing players for college than playing professionally. Girls soccer is the cash cow for many clubs. If a female pro pathway focused league with academy teams started up it wouldn't allow clubs to collect talent anymore. Which also means superteams would be hard to keep together unless they were an Academy team participating in the academy league.

Once NWSL flips the homegrown rule switch girls youth soccer will go bananas.

But on the girls side most do not want pro. They want college. Like 90%.

And you know this how?

Do you walk around asking girls if they want to play professionally?

Ridiculous statement by and idiot know it all.

Girls wouldn’t give up HS soccer for DA.

Hahaha pulling out whatever tired rehash you can think of.

If a player is good enough to play on an Academy team HS soccer isn't a concern. By freshman year they have an idea if they're good enough to play professionally.

And if playing professionally isn't in the cards they can always play on an ECNL team. (Which allows HS soccer)

BTW the reason MLSN doesn't allow HS soccer is because different regions play at different times of the year. This makes it impossible to run a nationwide league.

Yeah, boys didn’t care as much about HS as girls did.

Its not that boys care less about HS soccer it's that if you're playing in MLSN it's understood that everyone is there to play professionally specifically in MLS.

DA + not allowing girls to play HS soccer didn't make sense because there was no integration with NWSL. The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow was playing on the USWNT. Since there was so few making it to that level not being allowed to play HS soccer didn't make sense.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with ECNL is if NWSL partners with them the way MLS did with what became MLSN they have no control over how a league is setup implemented and run. More specifically if ECNL is involved they'll want to do showcases and get college recruiters etc involved. Also ECNL has shown that if they don't get what they want they'll work as a group and "take their ball and go home".

From a business perspective all NWSL (just like MLS) wants from a youth league is access to young talent. They don't care about college. They just need a "minor league" where their 2nd teams (aka academy teams) can play against reasonable competition.

This is why GA is a much more appealing way for NWSL to partner with youth.

Maybe NWSL could do something with ECNL but they'd have to implement a league within a league that only focused on playing professionally. But again why would you want to do this when you don't need to and you'd get all the control vs working with ECNL leadership.

MLS didn’t want to work with US Soccer or partner with youth leagues. They wanted the freedom to run their academies and their league the way they want so they made their own league.

It is hilarious that you believe that when NWSL, a professional league, is ready to run academies that they will partner with any youth league. They won’t.

They will do what MLS did and just make their own league when the time is right. All of your pinning your hopes and dreams that somehow GA is the Apple of NWSL’s eye is simply delusional.

Non NWSL clubs will apply be accepted and a new league is formed. This is how it ends.

And all the legacy DA clubs are first ones signed on. Most are the core of GA now, but not all so again its not GA vs ECNL thing. Stupid argument, simply put GA is better setup/stuctured for this, that doesnt make them better or worse just going to be in a favorable position to benefit from this when it happens. Clubs like Surf, PDA, Slammer, Solar, are so big and successful that it will be impossible to not include them. No clubs like that around here, so maybe GA is more beneficial in that case, when this happens. It could be 10 years away so who cares.

Correct, structurally GA is a better fit for NWSL than ECNL just like MLSN is for MLS.

My bet is that GA creates a league within a league that just includes NWSL acadamies and selected GA and maybe ECNL clubs. This would give everyone what they want. The only potential downside would be girls ECNL booting clubs that participate. But that won't work with the bigger clubs.

Simply put, a Professional league is able to form a league son their own and run it as they see fit to run. They don’t need to align with a preexisting youth league and partner.

MLS wanted autonomy and NWSL will learn from that lesson. Sorry, but there is no need to find a league that “aligns” with your mission when you can simply make a league that is run by you and those who join agree to your terms.

NWSL would be better to design a league, pitch it to all clubs and let them decide and apply on their own. Why straddle yourself to legacy leagues and their alignments and clubs when you can pick from all ECNL and GA clubs and pick from the best that fit your needs.

Yes you are correct, and GA clubs are structured to manever naturally into that becuause they are not concerned with this key question and potential roadblock, How does this affect the boys program"

This isn't rocket science, GA for girls, MLSN for boys. ECNL do your thing with college soccer

100% agree and what I've been saying for a while.

With boys its already a forgone conclusion that if you want to play professionally you need to get involved with MLSN at some point.

The problem is with girls there hasn't been a true professional pathway that doesn't involve playing in college. Groups like ECNL have exploited this by catering college access to youth clubs who make much more $$$ preparing players for college than playing professionally. Girls soccer is the cash cow for many clubs. If a female pro pathway focused league with academy teams started up it wouldn't allow clubs to collect talent anymore. Which also means superteams would be hard to keep together unless they were an Academy team participating in the academy league.

Once NWSL flips the homegrown rule switch girls youth soccer will go bananas.

But on the girls side most do not want pro. They want college. Like 90%.

And you know this how?

Do you walk around asking girls if they want to play professionally?

Ridiculous statement by and idiot know it all.

Girls wouldn’t give up HS soccer for DA.

Hahaha pulling out whatever tired rehash you can think of.

If a player is good enough to play on an Academy team HS soccer isn't a concern. By freshman year they have an idea if they're good enough to play professionally.

And if playing professionally isn't in the cards they can always play on an ECNL team. (Which allows HS soccer)

BTW the reason MLSN doesn't allow HS soccer is because different regions play at different times of the year. This makes it impossible to run a nationwide league.

God, you’re a brick wall. MLS and DA didn’t allow HS soccer because it is a distraction.

Pin this for the future:

NWSL will form a league in 5-10 years. They will not partner with any existing league because they will start with a league for reserve teams to play in and expand downwards to younger age groups.

Each NWSL club will of course have their own academy teams and will offer youth clubs the opportunity to apply to be in NWSLNext.

Note, SYC wasn’t a DA club prior to MLSNext. MLS formed their league and clubs across the country applied. GA nor ECNL will have no inside track.

What NWSL will consider is club quality and geographic needs for conference and travel alignment. The best clubs who fit those needs will be awarded league status regardless of league affiliation.

NWSL cannot afford a “build it and they will come” approach. They’ll need to add clubs with solid developmental history. There are GA and ECNL clubs that fit this requirement.

Regardless, go where it is best for your player NOW and in the near future. Placing your kid in a club now based on your reading of tea leaves and what you hope happens is dumb. Youth soccer changes on a dime so you can’t plan more than a year or two ahead.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with ECNL is if NWSL partners with them the way MLS did with what became MLSN they have no control over how a league is setup implemented and run. More specifically if ECNL is involved they'll want to do showcases and get college recruiters etc involved. Also ECNL has shown that if they don't get what they want they'll work as a group and "take their ball and go home".

From a business perspective all NWSL (just like MLS) wants from a youth league is access to young talent. They don't care about college. They just need a "minor league" where their 2nd teams (aka academy teams) can play against reasonable competition.

This is why GA is a much more appealing way for NWSL to partner with youth.

Maybe NWSL could do something with ECNL but they'd have to implement a league within a league that only focused on playing professionally. But again why would you want to do this when you don't need to and you'd get all the control vs working with ECNL leadership.

MLS didn’t want to work with US Soccer or partner with youth leagues. They wanted the freedom to run their academies and their league the way they want so they made their own league.

It is hilarious that you believe that when NWSL, a professional league, is ready to run academies that they will partner with any youth league. They won’t.

They will do what MLS did and just make their own league when the time is right. All of your pinning your hopes and dreams that somehow GA is the Apple of NWSL’s eye is simply delusional.

Non NWSL clubs will apply be accepted and a new league is formed. This is how it ends.

And all the legacy DA clubs are first ones signed on. Most are the core of GA now, but not all so again its not GA vs ECNL thing. Stupid argument, simply put GA is better setup/stuctured for this, that doesnt make them better or worse just going to be in a favorable position to benefit from this when it happens. Clubs like Surf, PDA, Slammer, Solar, are so big and successful that it will be impossible to not include them. No clubs like that around here, so maybe GA is more beneficial in that case, when this happens. It could be 10 years away so who cares.

Correct, structurally GA is a better fit for NWSL than ECNL just like MLSN is for MLS.

My bet is that GA creates a league within a league that just includes NWSL acadamies and selected GA and maybe ECNL clubs. This would give everyone what they want. The only potential downside would be girls ECNL booting clubs that participate. But that won't work with the bigger clubs.

Simply put, a Professional league is able to form a league son their own and run it as they see fit to run. They don’t need to align with a preexisting youth league and partner.

MLS wanted autonomy and NWSL will learn from that lesson. Sorry, but there is no need to find a league that “aligns” with your mission when you can simply make a league that is run by you and those who join agree to your terms.

NWSL would be better to design a league, pitch it to all clubs and let them decide and apply on their own. Why straddle yourself to legacy leagues and their alignments and clubs when you can pick from all ECNL and GA clubs and pick from the best that fit your needs.

Yes you are correct, and GA clubs are structured to manever naturally into that becuause they are not concerned with this key question and potential roadblock, How does this affect the boys program"

This isn't rocket science, GA for girls, MLSN for boys. ECNL do your thing with college soccer

100% agree and what I've been saying for a while.

With boys its already a forgone conclusion that if you want to play professionally you need to get involved with MLSN at some point.

The problem is with girls there hasn't been a true professional pathway that doesn't involve playing in college. Groups like ECNL have exploited this by catering college access to youth clubs who make much more $$$ preparing players for college than playing professionally. Girls soccer is the cash cow for many clubs. If a female pro pathway focused league with academy teams started up it wouldn't allow clubs to collect talent anymore. Which also means superteams would be hard to keep together unless they were an Academy team participating in the academy league.

Once NWSL flips the homegrown rule switch girls youth soccer will go bananas.

But on the girls side most do not want pro. They want college. Like 90%.

And you know this how?

Do you walk around asking girls if they want to play professionally?

Ridiculous statement by and idiot know it all.

Girls wouldn’t give up HS soccer for DA.

Hahaha pulling out whatever tired rehash you can think of.

If a player is good enough to play on an Academy team HS soccer isn't a concern. By freshman year they have an idea if they're good enough to play professionally.

And if playing professionally isn't in the cards they can always play on an ECNL team. (Which allows HS soccer)

BTW the reason MLSN doesn't allow HS soccer is because different regions play at different times of the year. This makes it impossible to run a nationwide league.

God, you’re a brick wall. MLS and DA didn’t allow HS soccer because it is a distraction.

Pin this for the future:

NWSL will form a league in 5-10 years. They will not partner with any existing league because they will start with a league for reserve teams to play in and expand downwards to younger age groups.

Each NWSL club will of course have their own academy teams and will offer youth clubs the opportunity to apply to be in NWSLNext.

Note, SYC wasn’t a DA club prior to MLSNext. MLS formed their league and clubs across the country applied. GA nor ECNL will have no inside track.

What NWSL will consider is club quality and geographic needs for conference and travel alignment. The best clubs who fit those needs will be awarded league status regardless of league affiliation.

NWSL cannot afford a “build it and they will come” approach. They’ll need to add clubs with solid developmental history. There are GA and ECNL clubs that fit this requirement.

Regardless, go where it is best for your player NOW and in the near future. Placing your kid in a club now based on your reading of tea leaves and what you hope happens is dumb. Youth soccer changes on a dime so you can’t plan more than a year or two ahead.

Your logic is correct but that's not how things work.

US Soccer is in the background and they work with fifa, help the different leagues define and negotiate media contracts, etc. As much as you want NWSL to go it alone it's not going to happen. Also US Soccer created DA because everyone knew the way we develop talent in America wasn't working on the national stage. NWSL and women's soccer in general is in a huge upturn. Literally 5 years ago many of the big European clubs didn't have women's teams now they all do and they're applying the same development techniques used on men for women. Very soon women will face the same challenges as men regarding European Academy dropouts in college and NWSL preferring European Academy players over Anerican talent.

Once all this hits NWSL is going to be forced into creating "NWSL Next" because they're facing the exact same challenges as MLS.

US Soccer will bend over backwards to let NWSL create a pro league through them. It would be WAY harder for NWSL to go it alone. Operationally it just makes sense to take everything that works in MLSN and apply it to Girls as "NWSLN".

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with ECNL is if NWSL partners with them the way MLS did with what became MLSN they have no control over how a league is setup implemented and run. More specifically if ECNL is involved they'll want to do showcases and get college recruiters etc involved. Also ECNL has shown that if they don't get what they want they'll work as a group and "take their ball and go home".

From a business perspective all NWSL (just like MLS) wants from a youth league is access to young talent. They don't care about college. They just need a "minor league" where their 2nd teams (aka academy teams) can play against reasonable competition.

This is why GA is a much more appealing way for NWSL to partner with youth.

Maybe NWSL could do something with ECNL but they'd have to implement a league within a league that only focused on playing professionally. But again why would you want to do this when you don't need to and you'd get all the control vs working with ECNL leadership.

MLS didn’t want to work with US Soccer or partner with youth leagues. They wanted the freedom to run their academies and their league the way they want so they made their own league.

It is hilarious that you believe that when NWSL, a professional league, is ready to run academies that they will partner with any youth league. They won’t.

They will do what MLS did and just make their own league when the time is right. All of your pinning your hopes and dreams that somehow GA is the Apple of NWSL’s eye is simply delusional.

Non NWSL clubs will apply be accepted and a new league is formed. This is how it ends.

And all the legacy DA clubs are first ones signed on. Most are the core of GA now, but not all so again its not GA vs ECNL thing. Stupid argument, simply put GA is better setup/stuctured for this, that doesnt make them better or worse just going to be in a favorable position to benefit from this when it happens. Clubs like Surf, PDA, Slammer, Solar, are so big and successful that it will be impossible to not include them. No clubs like that around here, so maybe GA is more beneficial in that case, when this happens. It could be 10 years away so who cares.

Correct, structurally GA is a better fit for NWSL than ECNL just like MLSN is for MLS.

My bet is that GA creates a league within a league that just includes NWSL acadamies and selected GA and maybe ECNL clubs. This would give everyone what they want. The only potential downside would be girls ECNL booting clubs that participate. But that won't work with the bigger clubs.

Simply put, a Professional league is able to form a league son their own and run it as they see fit to run. They don’t need to align with a preexisting youth league and partner.

MLS wanted autonomy and NWSL will learn from that lesson. Sorry, but there is no need to find a league that “aligns” with your mission when you can simply make a league that is run by you and those who join agree to your terms.

NWSL would be better to design a league, pitch it to all clubs and let them decide and apply on their own. Why straddle yourself to legacy leagues and their alignments and clubs when you can pick from all ECNL and GA clubs and pick from the best that fit your needs.

Yes you are correct, and GA clubs are structured to manever naturally into that becuause they are not concerned with this key question and potential roadblock, How does this affect the boys program"

This isn't rocket science, GA for girls, MLSN for boys. ECNL do your thing with college soccer

100% agree and what I've been saying for a while.

With boys its already a forgone conclusion that if you want to play professionally you need to get involved with MLSN at some point.

The problem is with girls there hasn't been a true professional pathway that doesn't involve playing in college. Groups like ECNL have exploited this by catering college access to youth clubs who make much more $$$ preparing players for college than playing professionally. Girls soccer is the cash cow for many clubs. If a female pro pathway focused league with academy teams started up it wouldn't allow clubs to collect talent anymore. Which also means superteams would be hard to keep together unless they were an Academy team participating in the academy league.

Once NWSL flips the homegrown rule switch girls youth soccer will go bananas.

But on the girls side most do not want pro. They want college. Like 90%.

And you know this how?

Do you walk around asking girls if they want to play professionally?

Ridiculous statement by and idiot know it all.

Girls wouldn’t give up HS soccer for DA.

Hahaha pulling out whatever tired rehash you can think of.

If a player is good enough to play on an Academy team HS soccer isn't a concern. By freshman year they have an idea if they're good enough to play professionally.

And if playing professionally isn't in the cards they can always play on an ECNL team. (Which allows HS soccer)

BTW the reason MLSN doesn't allow HS soccer is because different regions play at different times of the year. This makes it impossible to run a nationwide league.

Regardless, go where it is best for your player NOW and in the near future. Placing your kid in a club now based on your reading of tea leaves and what you hope happens is dumb. Youth soccer changes on a dime so you can’t plan more than a year or two ahead.

All NWSL has to do is make a statement that they'll be implementing NWSL Next in conjunction with GA at X date and they're taking club applications for inclusion.

The entire girls youth soccer ecosystem would flip overnight.

It's humorous that you think clubs wouldn't jump in a heartbeat.

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From a business perspective all NWSL (just like MLS) wants from a youth league is access to young talent. They don't care about college. They just need a "minor league" where their 2nd teams (aka academy teams) can play against reasonable competition.

This is why GA is a much more appealing way for NWSL to partner with youth.

Maybe NWSL could do something with ECNL but they'd have to implement a league within a league that only focused on playing professionally. But again why would you want to do this when you don't need to and you'd get all the control vs working with ECNL leadership.

MLS didn’t want to work with US Soccer or partner with youth leagues. They wanted the freedom to run their academies and their league the way they want so they made their own league.

It is hilarious that you believe that when NWSL, a professional league, is ready to run academies that they will partner with any youth league. They won’t.

They will do what MLS did and just make their own league when the time is right. All of your pinning your hopes and dreams that somehow GA is the Apple of NWSL’s eye is simply delusional.

Non NWSL clubs will apply be accepted and a new league is formed. This is how it ends.

And all the legacy DA clubs are first ones signed on. Most are the core of GA now, but not all so again its not GA vs ECNL thing. Stupid argument, simply put GA is better setup/stuctured for this, that doesnt make them better or worse just going to be in a favorable position to benefit from this when it happens. Clubs like Surf, PDA, Slammer, Solar, are so big and successful that it will be impossible to not include them. No clubs like that around here, so maybe GA is more beneficial in that case, when this happens. It could be 10 years away so who cares.

Correct, structurally GA is a better fit for NWSL than ECNL just like MLSN is for MLS.

My bet is that GA creates a league within a league that just includes NWSL acadamies and selected GA and maybe ECNL clubs. This would give everyone what they want. The only potential downside would be girls ECNL booting clubs that participate. But that won't work with the bigger clubs.

Simply put, a Professional league is able to form a league son their own and run it as they see fit to run. They don’t need to align with a preexisting youth league and partner.

MLS wanted autonomy and NWSL will learn from that lesson. Sorry, but there is no need to find a league that “aligns” with your mission when you can simply make a league that is run by you and those who join agree to your terms.

NWSL would be better to design a league, pitch it to all clubs and let them decide and apply on their own. Why straddle yourself to legacy leagues and their alignments and clubs when you can pick from all ECNL and GA clubs and pick from the best that fit your needs.

Yes you are correct, and GA clubs are structured to manever naturally into that becuause they are not concerned with this key question and potential roadblock, How does this affect the boys program"

This isn't rocket science, GA for girls, MLSN for boys. ECNL do your thing with college soccer

100% agree and what I've been saying for a while.

With boys its already a forgone conclusion that if you want to play professionally you need to get involved with MLSN at some point.

The problem is with girls there hasn't been a true professional pathway that doesn't involve playing in college. Groups like ECNL have exploited this by catering college access to youth clubs who make much more $$$ preparing players for college than playing professionally. Girls soccer is the cash cow for many clubs. If a female pro pathway focused league with academy teams started up it wouldn't allow clubs to collect talent anymore. Which also means superteams would be hard to keep together unless they were an Academy team participating in the academy league.

Once NWSL flips the homegrown rule switch girls youth soccer will go bananas.

But on the girls side most do not want pro. They want college. Like 90%.

And you know this how?

Do you walk around asking girls if they want to play professionally?

Ridiculous statement by and idiot know it all.

Girls wouldn’t give up HS soccer for DA.

Hahaha pulling out whatever tired rehash you can think of.

If a player is good enough to play on an Academy team HS soccer isn't a concern. By freshman year they have an idea if they're good enough to play professionally.

And if playing professionally isn't in the cards they can always play on an ECNL team. (Which allows HS soccer)

BTW the reason MLSN doesn't allow HS soccer is because different regions play at different times of the year. This makes it impossible to run a nationwide league.

God, you’re a brick wall. MLS and DA didn’t allow HS soccer because it is a distraction.

Pin this for the future:

NWSL will form a league in 5-10 years. They will not partner with any existing league because they will start with a league for reserve teams to play in and expand downwards to younger age groups.

Each NWSL club will of course have their own academy teams and will offer youth clubs the opportunity to apply to be in NWSLNext.

Note, SYC wasn’t a DA club prior to MLSNext. MLS formed their league and clubs across the country applied. GA nor ECNL will have no inside track.

What NWSL will consider is club quality and geographic needs for conference and travel alignment. The best clubs who fit those needs will be awarded league status regardless of league affiliation.

NWSL cannot afford a “build it and they will come” approach. They’ll need to add clubs with solid developmental history. There are GA and ECNL clubs that fit this requirement.

Regardless, go where it is best for your player NOW and in the near future. Placing your kid in a club now based on your reading of tea leaves and what you hope happens is dumb. Youth soccer changes on a dime so you can’t plan more than a year or two ahead.

Your logic is correct but that's not how things work.

US Soccer is in the background and they work with fifa, help the different leagues define and negotiate media contracts, etc. As much as you want NWSL to go it alone it's not going to happen. Also US Soccer created DA because everyone knew the way we develop talent in America wasn't working on the national stage. NWSL and women's soccer in general is in a huge upturn. Literally 5 years ago many of the big European clubs didn't have women's teams now they all do and they're applying the same development techniques used on men for women. Very soon women will face the same challenges as men regarding European Academy dropouts in college and NWSL preferring European Academy players over Anerican talent.

Once all this hits NWSL is going to be forced into creating "NWSL Next" because they're facing the exact same challenges as MLS.

US Soccer will bend over backwards to let NWSL create a pro league through them. It would be WAY harder for NWSL to go it alone. Operationally it just makes sense to take everything that works in MLSN and apply it to Girls as "NWSLN".

US Soccer can want it wants but NWSL, just as MLS, Premier League, La Liga, etc are their own leagues. None of those leagues are there to serve the needs of their national teams.

The sooner you get that through your head the better you’ll understand. There are American players in Europe now. Does US Soccer care? Nooo. Players will go where they can play and make the most money at the highest level they can. NWSL is not the highest level women’s league in the world right now. Their mission is not to be a US Soccer development academy. Their mission is to be a professional women’s soccer league. They are competing against European leagues for players not youth academy players.

You’re simply wrong with applying the particular goals of two different organizations. There are moments where their goals are aligned and there are moments where they are not aligned. NWSL will do what is best for NWSL first and foremost. If that happens to help US Soccer, great but US Soccer’s needs are not NWSL or MLS’s priorities.

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From a business perspective all NWSL (just like MLS) wants from a youth league is access to young talent. They don't care about college. They just need a "minor league" where their 2nd teams (aka academy teams) can play against reasonable competition.

This is why GA is a much more appealing way for NWSL to partner with youth.

Maybe NWSL could do something with ECNL but they'd have to implement a league within a league that only focused on playing professionally. But again why would you want to do this when you don't need to and you'd get all the control vs working with ECNL leadership.

MLS didn’t want to work with US Soccer or partner with youth leagues. They wanted the freedom to run their academies and their league the way they want so they made their own league.

It is hilarious that you believe that when NWSL, a professional league, is ready to run academies that they will partner with any youth league. They won’t.

They will do what MLS did and just make their own league when the time is right. All of your pinning your hopes and dreams that somehow GA is the Apple of NWSL’s eye is simply delusional.

Non NWSL clubs will apply be accepted and a new league is formed. This is how it ends.

And all the legacy DA clubs are first ones signed on. Most are the core of GA now, but not all so again its not GA vs ECNL thing. Stupid argument, simply put GA is better setup/stuctured for this, that doesnt make them better or worse just going to be in a favorable position to benefit from this when it happens. Clubs like Surf, PDA, Slammer, Solar, are so big and successful that it will be impossible to not include them. No clubs like that around here, so maybe GA is more beneficial in that case, when this happens. It could be 10 years away so who cares.

Correct, structurally GA is a better fit for NWSL than ECNL just like MLSN is for MLS.

My bet is that GA creates a league within a league that just includes NWSL acadamies and selected GA and maybe ECNL clubs. This would give everyone what they want. The only potential downside would be girls ECNL booting clubs that participate. But that won't work with the bigger clubs.

Simply put, a Professional league is able to form a league son their own and run it as they see fit to run. They don’t need to align with a preexisting youth league and partner.

MLS wanted autonomy and NWSL will learn from that lesson. Sorry, but there is no need to find a league that “aligns” with your mission when you can simply make a league that is run by you and those who join agree to your terms.

NWSL would be better to design a league, pitch it to all clubs and let them decide and apply on their own. Why straddle yourself to legacy leagues and their alignments and clubs when you can pick from all ECNL and GA clubs and pick from the best that fit your needs.

Yes you are correct, and GA clubs are structured to manever naturally into that becuause they are not concerned with this key question and potential roadblock, How does this affect the boys program"

This isn't rocket science, GA for girls, MLSN for boys. ECNL do your thing with college soccer

100% agree and what I've been saying for a while.

With boys its already a forgone conclusion that if you want to play professionally you need to get involved with MLSN at some point.

The problem is with girls there hasn't been a true professional pathway that doesn't involve playing in college. Groups like ECNL have exploited this by catering college access to youth clubs who make much more $$$ preparing players for college than playing professionally. Girls soccer is the cash cow for many clubs. If a female pro pathway focused league with academy teams started up it wouldn't allow clubs to collect talent anymore. Which also means superteams would be hard to keep together unless they were an Academy team participating in the academy league.

Once NWSL flips the homegrown rule switch girls youth soccer will go bananas.

But on the girls side most do not want pro. They want college. Like 90%.

And you know this how?

Do you walk around asking girls if they want to play professionally?

Ridiculous statement by and idiot know it all.

Girls wouldn’t give up HS soccer for DA.

Hahaha pulling out whatever tired rehash you can think of.

If a player is good enough to play on an Academy team HS soccer isn't a concern. By freshman year they have an idea if they're good enough to play professionally.

And if playing professionally isn't in the cards they can always play on an ECNL team. (Which allows HS soccer)

BTW the reason MLSN doesn't allow HS soccer is because different regions play at different times of the year. This makes it impossible to run a nationwide league.

Regardless, go where it is best for your player NOW and in the near future. Placing your kid in a club now based on your reading of tea leaves and what you hope happens is dumb. Youth soccer changes on a dime so you can’t plan more than a year or two ahead.

All NWSL has to do is make a statement that they'll be implementing NWSL Next in conjunction with GA at X date and they're taking club applications for inclusion.

The entire girls youth soccer ecosystem would flip overnight.

It's humorous that you think clubs wouldn't jump in a heartbeat.

No, it won’t “flip” overnight. It didn’t with GDA and it won’t now.

Again, NWSL is a professional league, they know how to build a league. They don’t need to align with a youth league and partner with them. They will make their own league and allow clubs to apply just as MOS did.

There are dozens of clubs in MLS that were never in DA. NWSL, just as MLS did will do what is best for them and will design and control their own league and destiny as they see fit. NWSL will not partner with a youth league because they will not need to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with ECNL is if NWSL partners with them the way MLS did with what became MLSN they have no control over how a league is setup implemented and run. More specifically if ECNL is involved they'll want to do showcases and get college recruiters etc involved. Also ECNL has shown that if they don't get what they want they'll work as a group and "take their ball and go home".

From a business perspective all NWSL (just like MLS) wants from a youth league is access to young talent. They don't care about college. They just need a "minor league" where their 2nd teams (aka academy teams) can play against reasonable competition.

This is why GA is a much more appealing way for NWSL to partner with youth.

Maybe NWSL could do something with ECNL but they'd have to implement a league within a league that only focused on playing professionally. But again why would you want to do this when you don't need to and you'd get all the control vs working with ECNL leadership.

MLS didn’t want to work with US Soccer or partner with youth leagues. They wanted the freedom to run their academies and their league the way they want so they made their own league.

It is hilarious that you believe that when NWSL, a professional league, is ready to run academies that they will partner with any youth league. They won’t.

They will do what MLS did and just make their own league when the time is right. All of your pinning your hopes and dreams that somehow GA is the Apple of NWSL’s eye is simply delusional.

Non NWSL clubs will apply be accepted and a new league is formed. This is how it ends.

And all the legacy DA clubs are first ones signed on. Most are the core of GA now, but not all so again its not GA vs ECNL thing. Stupid argument, simply put GA is better setup/stuctured for this, that doesnt make them better or worse just going to be in a favorable position to benefit from this when it happens. Clubs like Surf, PDA, Slammer, Solar, are so big and successful that it will be impossible to not include them. No clubs like that around here, so maybe GA is more beneficial in that case, when this happens. It could be 10 years away so who cares.

Correct, structurally GA is a better fit for NWSL than ECNL just like MLSN is for MLS.

My bet is that GA creates a league within a league that just includes NWSL acadamies and selected GA and maybe ECNL clubs. This would give everyone what they want. The only potential downside would be girls ECNL booting clubs that participate. But that won't work with the bigger clubs.

Simply put, a Professional league is able to form a league son their own and run it as they see fit to run. They don’t need to align with a preexisting youth league and partner.

MLS wanted autonomy and NWSL will learn from that lesson. Sorry, but there is no need to find a league that “aligns” with your mission when you can simply make a league that is run by you and those who join agree to your terms.

NWSL would be better to design a league, pitch it to all clubs and let them decide and apply on their own. Why straddle yourself to legacy leagues and their alignments and clubs when you can pick from all ECNL and GA clubs and pick from the best that fit your needs.

Yes you are correct, and GA clubs are structured to manever naturally into that becuause they are not concerned with this key question and potential roadblock, How does this affect the boys program"

This isn't rocket science, GA for girls, MLSN for boys. ECNL do your thing with college soccer

100% agree and what I've been saying for a while.

With boys its already a forgone conclusion that if you want to play professionally you need to get involved with MLSN at some point.

The problem is with girls there hasn't been a true professional pathway that doesn't involve playing in college. Groups like ECNL have exploited this by catering college access to youth clubs who make much more $$$ preparing players for college than playing professionally. Girls soccer is the cash cow for many clubs. If a female pro pathway focused league with academy teams started up it wouldn't allow clubs to collect talent anymore. Which also means superteams would be hard to keep together unless they were an Academy team participating in the academy league.

Once NWSL flips the homegrown rule switch girls youth soccer will go bananas.

But on the girls side most do not want pro. They want college. Like 90%.

And you know this how?

Do you walk around asking girls if they want to play professionally?

Ridiculous statement by and idiot know it all.

Girls wouldn’t give up HS soccer for DA.

Hahaha pulling out whatever tired rehash you can think of.

If a player is good enough to play on an Academy team HS soccer isn't a concern. By freshman year they have an idea if they're good enough to play professionally.

And if playing professionally isn't in the cards they can always play on an ECNL team. (Which allows HS soccer)

BTW the reason MLSN doesn't allow HS soccer is because different regions play at different times of the year. This makes it impossible to run a nationwide league.

God, you’re a brick wall. MLS and DA didn’t allow HS soccer because it is a distraction.

Pin this for the future:

NWSL will form a league in 5-10 years. They will not partner with any existing league because they will start with a league for reserve teams to play in and expand downwards to younger age groups.

Each NWSL club will of course have their own academy teams and will offer youth clubs the opportunity to apply to be in NWSLNext.

Note, SYC wasn’t a DA club prior to MLSNext. MLS formed their league and clubs across the country applied. GA nor ECNL will have no inside track.

What NWSL will consider is club quality and geographic needs for conference and travel alignment. The best clubs who fit those needs will be awarded league status regardless of league affiliation.

NWSL cannot afford a “build it and they will come” approach. They’ll need to add clubs with solid developmental history. There are GA and ECNL clubs that fit this requirement.

Regardless, go where it is best for your player NOW and in the near future. Placing your kid in a club now based on your reading of tea leaves and what you hope happens is dumb. Youth soccer changes on a dime so you can’t plan more than a year or two ahead.

Your logic is correct but that's not how things work.

US Soccer is in the background and they work with fifa, help the different leagues define and negotiate media contracts, etc. As much as you want NWSL to go it alone it's not going to happen. Also US Soccer created DA because everyone knew the way we develop talent in America wasn't working on the national stage. NWSL and women's soccer in general is in a huge upturn. Literally 5 years ago many of the big European clubs didn't have women's teams now they all do and they're applying the same development techniques used on men for women. Very soon women will face the same challenges as men regarding European Academy dropouts in college and NWSL preferring European Academy players over Anerican talent.

Once all this hits NWSL is going to be forced into creating "NWSL Next" because they're facing the exact same challenges as MLS.

US Soccer will bend over backwards to let NWSL create a pro league through them. It would be WAY harder for NWSL to go it alone. Operationally it just makes sense to take everything that works in MLSN and apply it to Girls as "NWSLN".

US Soccer can want it wants but NWSL, just as MLS, Premier League, La Liga, etc are their own leagues. None of those leagues are there to serve the needs of their national teams.

The sooner you get that through your head the better you’ll understand. There are American players in Europe now. Does US Soccer care? Nooo. Players will go where they can play and make the most money at the highest level they can. NWSL is not the highest level women’s league in the world right now. Their mission is not to be a US Soccer development academy. Their mission is to be a professional women’s soccer league. They are competing against European leagues for players not youth academy players.

You’re simply wrong with applying the particular goals of two different organizations. There are moments where their goals are aligned and there are moments where they are not aligned. NWSL will do what is best for NWSL first and foremost. If that happens to help US Soccer, great but US Soccer’s needs are not NWSL or MLS’s priorities.

MLS created MLS Next in conjunction with US Soccer.

MLS Next exists and is thriving.

Sorry, this is what NWSL will emulate when they choose to start working with Youth clubs.

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From a business perspective all NWSL (just like MLS) wants from a youth league is access to young talent. They don't care about college. They just need a "minor league" where their 2nd teams (aka academy teams) can play against reasonable competition.

This is why GA is a much more appealing way for NWSL to partner with youth.

Maybe NWSL could do something with ECNL but they'd have to implement a league within a league that only focused on playing professionally. But again why would you want to do this when you don't need to and you'd get all the control vs working with ECNL leadership.

MLS didn’t want to work with US Soccer or partner with youth leagues. They wanted the freedom to run their academies and their league the way they want so they made their own league.

It is hilarious that you believe that when NWSL, a professional league, is ready to run academies that they will partner with any youth league. They won’t.

They will do what MLS did and just make their own league when the time is right. All of your pinning your hopes and dreams that somehow GA is the Apple of NWSL’s eye is simply delusional.

Non NWSL clubs will apply be accepted and a new league is formed. This is how it ends.

And all the legacy DA clubs are first ones signed on. Most are the core of GA now, but not all so again its not GA vs ECNL thing. Stupid argument, simply put GA is better setup/stuctured for this, that doesnt make them better or worse just going to be in a favorable position to benefit from this when it happens. Clubs like Surf, PDA, Slammer, Solar, are so big and successful that it will be impossible to not include them. No clubs like that around here, so maybe GA is more beneficial in that case, when this happens. It could be 10 years away so who cares.

Correct, structurally GA is a better fit for NWSL than ECNL just like MLSN is for MLS.

My bet is that GA creates a league within a league that just includes NWSL acadamies and selected GA and maybe ECNL clubs. This would give everyone what they want. The only potential downside would be girls ECNL booting clubs that participate. But that won't work with the bigger clubs.

Simply put, a Professional league is able to form a league son their own and run it as they see fit to run. They don’t need to align with a preexisting youth league and partner.

MLS wanted autonomy and NWSL will learn from that lesson. Sorry, but there is no need to find a league that “aligns” with your mission when you can simply make a league that is run by you and those who join agree to your terms.

NWSL would be better to design a league, pitch it to all clubs and let them decide and apply on their own. Why straddle yourself to legacy leagues and their alignments and clubs when you can pick from all ECNL and GA clubs and pick from the best that fit your needs.

Yes you are correct, and GA clubs are structured to manever naturally into that becuause they are not concerned with this key question and potential roadblock, How does this affect the boys program"

This isn't rocket science, GA for girls, MLSN for boys. ECNL do your thing with college soccer

100% agree and what I've been saying for a while.

With boys its already a forgone conclusion that if you want to play professionally you need to get involved with MLSN at some point.

The problem is with girls there hasn't been a true professional pathway that doesn't involve playing in college. Groups like ECNL have exploited this by catering college access to youth clubs who make much more $$$ preparing players for college than playing professionally. Girls soccer is the cash cow for many clubs. If a female pro pathway focused league with academy teams started up it wouldn't allow clubs to collect talent anymore. Which also means superteams would be hard to keep together unless they were an Academy team participating in the academy league.

Once NWSL flips the homegrown rule switch girls youth soccer will go bananas.

But on the girls side most do not want pro. They want college. Like 90%.

And you know this how?

Do you walk around asking girls if they want to play professionally?

Ridiculous statement by and idiot know it all.

Girls wouldn’t give up HS soccer for DA.

Hahaha pulling out whatever tired rehash you can think of.

If a player is good enough to play on an Academy team HS soccer isn't a concern. By freshman year they have an idea if they're good enough to play professionally.

And if playing professionally isn't in the cards they can always play on an ECNL team. (Which allows HS soccer)

BTW the reason MLSN doesn't allow HS soccer is because different regions play at different times of the year. This makes it impossible to run a nationwide league.

Regardless, go where it is best for your player NOW and in the near future. Placing your kid in a club now based on your reading of tea leaves and what you hope happens is dumb. Youth soccer changes on a dime so you can’t plan more than a year or two ahead.

All NWSL has to do is make a statement that they'll be implementing NWSL Next in conjunction with GA at X date and they're taking club applications for inclusion.

The entire girls youth soccer ecosystem would flip overnight.

It's humorous that you think clubs wouldn't jump in a heartbeat.

I never said clubs wouldn’t apply. What I said was it will be an open application process that is league agnostic. Being GA or ECNL will not matter. What will matter is the quality of the club and geographic needs.

NWSL would not need to partner with a league, they’ll just create a league. They are a professional league now, they certainly know how to do a league.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with ECNL is if NWSL partners with them the way MLS did with what became MLSN they have no control over how a league is setup implemented and run. More specifically if ECNL is involved they'll want to do showcases and get college recruiters etc involved. Also ECNL has shown that if they don't get what they want they'll work as a group and "take their ball and go home".

From a business perspective all NWSL (just like MLS) wants from a youth league is access to young talent. They don't care about college. They just need a "minor league" where their 2nd teams (aka academy teams) can play against reasonable competition.

This is why GA is a much more appealing way for NWSL to partner with youth.

Maybe NWSL could do something with ECNL but they'd have to implement a league within a league that only focused on playing professionally. But again why would you want to do this when you don't need to and you'd get all the control vs working with ECNL leadership.

MLS didn’t want to work with US Soccer or partner with youth leagues. They wanted the freedom to run their academies and their league the way they want so they made their own league.

It is hilarious that you believe that when NWSL, a professional league, is ready to run academies that they will partner with any youth league. They won’t.

They will do what MLS did and just make their own league when the time is right. All of your pinning your hopes and dreams that somehow GA is the Apple of NWSL’s eye is simply delusional.

Non NWSL clubs will apply be accepted and a new league is formed. This is how it ends.

And all the legacy DA clubs are first ones signed on. Most are the core of GA now, but not all so again its not GA vs ECNL thing. Stupid argument, simply put GA is better setup/stuctured for this, that doesnt make them better or worse just going to be in a favorable position to benefit from this when it happens. Clubs like Surf, PDA, Slammer, Solar, are so big and successful that it will be impossible to not include them. No clubs like that around here, so maybe GA is more beneficial in that case, when this happens. It could be 10 years away so who cares.

Correct, structurally GA is a better fit for NWSL than ECNL just like MLSN is for MLS.

My bet is that GA creates a league within a league that just includes NWSL acadamies and selected GA and maybe ECNL clubs. This would give everyone what they want. The only potential downside would be girls ECNL booting clubs that participate. But that won't work with the bigger clubs.

Simply put, a Professional league is able to form a league son their own and run it as they see fit to run. They don’t need to align with a preexisting youth league and partner.

MLS wanted autonomy and NWSL will learn from that lesson. Sorry, but there is no need to find a league that “aligns” with your mission when you can simply make a league that is run by you and those who join agree to your terms.

NWSL would be better to design a league, pitch it to all clubs and let them decide and apply on their own. Why straddle yourself to legacy leagues and their alignments and clubs when you can pick from all ECNL and GA clubs and pick from the best that fit your needs.

Yes you are correct, and GA clubs are structured to manever naturally into that becuause they are not concerned with this key question and potential roadblock, How does this affect the boys program"

This isn't rocket science, GA for girls, MLSN for boys. ECNL do your thing with college soccer

100% agree and what I've been saying for a while.

With boys its already a forgone conclusion that if you want to play professionally you need to get involved with MLSN at some point.

The problem is with girls there hasn't been a true professional pathway that doesn't involve playing in college. Groups like ECNL have exploited this by catering college access to youth clubs who make much more $$$ preparing players for college than playing professionally. Girls soccer is the cash cow for many clubs. If a female pro pathway focused league with academy teams started up it wouldn't allow clubs to collect talent anymore. Which also means superteams would be hard to keep together unless they were an Academy team participating in the academy league.

Once NWSL flips the homegrown rule switch girls youth soccer will go bananas.

But on the girls side most do not want pro. They want college. Like 90%.

And you know this how?

Do you walk around asking girls if they want to play professionally?

Ridiculous statement by and idiot know it all.

Girls wouldn’t give up HS soccer for DA.

Hahaha pulling out whatever tired rehash you can think of.

If a player is good enough to play on an Academy team HS soccer isn't a concern. By freshman year they have an idea if they're good enough to play professionally.

And if playing professionally isn't in the cards they can always play on an ECNL team. (Which allows HS soccer)

BTW the reason MLSN doesn't allow HS soccer is because different regions play at different times of the year. This makes it impossible to run a nationwide league.

Regardless, go where it is best for your player NOW and in the near future. Placing your kid in a club now based on your reading of tea leaves and what you hope happens is dumb. Youth soccer changes on a dime so you can’t plan more than a year or two ahead.

All NWSL has to do is make a statement that they'll be implementing NWSL Next in conjunction with GA at X date and they're taking club applications for inclusion.

The entire girls youth soccer ecosystem would flip overnight.

It's humorous that you think clubs wouldn't jump in a heartbeat.

No, it won’t “flip” overnight. It didn’t with GDA and it won’t now.

Again, NWSL is a professional league, they know how to build a league. They don’t need to align with a youth league and partner with them. They will make their own league and allow clubs to apply just as MOS did.

There are dozens of clubs in MLS that were never in DA. NWSL, just as MLS did will do what is best for them and will design and control their own league and destiny as they see fit. NWSL will not partner with a youth league because they will not need to do so.

Again you don't understand what US Soccer does and more importantly who is in leadership positions.

Seriously go do some research and you'll start to understand.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with ECNL is if NWSL partners with them the way MLS did with what became MLSN they have no control over how a league is setup implemented and run. More specifically if ECNL is involved they'll want to do showcases and get college recruiters etc involved. Also ECNL has shown that if they don't get what they want they'll work as a group and "take their ball and go home".

From a business perspective all NWSL (just like MLS) wants from a youth league is access to young talent. They don't care about college. They just need a "minor league" where their 2nd teams (aka academy teams) can play against reasonable competition.

This is why GA is a much more appealing way for NWSL to partner with youth.

Maybe NWSL could do something with ECNL but they'd have to implement a league within a league that only focused on playing professionally. But again why would you want to do this when you don't need to and you'd get all the control vs working with ECNL leadership.

MLS didn’t want to work with US Soccer or partner with youth leagues. They wanted the freedom to run their academies and their league the way they want so they made their own league.

It is hilarious that you believe that when NWSL, a professional league, is ready to run academies that they will partner with any youth league. They won’t.

They will do what MLS did and just make their own league when the time is right. All of your pinning your hopes and dreams that somehow GA is the Apple of NWSL’s eye is simply delusional.

Non NWSL clubs will apply be accepted and a new league is formed. This is how it ends.

And all the legacy DA clubs are first ones signed on. Most are the core of GA now, but not all so again its not GA vs ECNL thing. Stupid argument, simply put GA is better setup/stuctured for this, that doesnt make them better or worse just going to be in a favorable position to benefit from this when it happens. Clubs like Surf, PDA, Slammer, Solar, are so big and successful that it will be impossible to not include them. No clubs like that around here, so maybe GA is more beneficial in that case, when this happens. It could be 10 years away so who cares.

Correct, structurally GA is a better fit for NWSL than ECNL just like MLSN is for MLS.

My bet is that GA creates a league within a league that just includes NWSL acadamies and selected GA and maybe ECNL clubs. This would give everyone what they want. The only potential downside would be girls ECNL booting clubs that participate. But that won't work with the bigger clubs.

Simply put, a Professional league is able to form a league son their own and run it as they see fit to run. They don’t need to align with a preexisting youth league and partner.

MLS wanted autonomy and NWSL will learn from that lesson. Sorry, but there is no need to find a league that “aligns” with your mission when you can simply make a league that is run by you and those who join agree to your terms.

NWSL would be better to design a league, pitch it to all clubs and let them decide and apply on their own. Why straddle yourself to legacy leagues and their alignments and clubs when you can pick from all ECNL and GA clubs and pick from the best that fit your needs.

Yes you are correct, and GA clubs are structured to manever naturally into that becuause they are not concerned with this key question and potential roadblock, How does this affect the boys program"

This isn't rocket science, GA for girls, MLSN for boys. ECNL do your thing with college soccer

100% agree and what I've been saying for a while.

With boys its already a forgone conclusion that if you want to play professionally you need to get involved with MLSN at some point.

The problem is with girls there hasn't been a true professional pathway that doesn't involve playing in college. Groups like ECNL have exploited this by catering college access to youth clubs who make much more $$$ preparing players for college than playing professionally. Girls soccer is the cash cow for many clubs. If a female pro pathway focused league with academy teams started up it wouldn't allow clubs to collect talent anymore. Which also means superteams would be hard to keep together unless they were an Academy team participating in the academy league.

Once NWSL flips the homegrown rule switch girls youth soccer will go bananas.

But on the girls side most do not want pro. They want college. Like 90%.

And you know this how?

Do you walk around asking girls if they want to play professionally?

Ridiculous statement by and idiot know it all.

Girls wouldn’t give up HS soccer for DA.

Hahaha pulling out whatever tired rehash you can think of.

If a player is good enough to play on an Academy team HS soccer isn't a concern. By freshman year they have an idea if they're good enough to play professionally.

And if playing professionally isn't in the cards they can always play on an ECNL team. (Which allows HS soccer)

BTW the reason MLSN doesn't allow HS soccer is because different regions play at different times of the year. This makes it impossible to run a nationwide league.

God, you’re a brick wall. MLS and DA didn’t allow HS soccer because it is a distraction.

Pin this for the future:

NWSL will form a league in 5-10 years. They will not partner with any existing league because they will start with a league for reserve teams to play in and expand downwards to younger age groups.

Each NWSL club will of course have their own academy teams and will offer youth clubs the opportunity to apply to be in NWSLNext.

Note, SYC wasn’t a DA club prior to MLSNext. MLS formed their league and clubs across the country applied. GA nor ECNL will have no inside track.

What NWSL will consider is club quality and geographic needs for conference and travel alignment. The best clubs who fit those needs will be awarded league status regardless of league affiliation.

NWSL cannot afford a “build it and they will come” approach. They’ll need to add clubs with solid developmental history. There are GA and ECNL clubs that fit this requirement.

Regardless, go where it is best for your player NOW and in the near future. Placing your kid in a club now based on your reading of tea leaves and what you hope happens is dumb. Youth soccer changes on a dime so you can’t plan more than a year or two ahead.

Your logic is correct but that's not how things work.

US Soccer is in the background and they work with fifa, help the different leagues define and negotiate media contracts, etc. As much as you want NWSL to go it alone it's not going to happen. Also US Soccer created DA because everyone knew the way we develop talent in America wasn't working on the national stage. NWSL and women's soccer in general is in a huge upturn. Literally 5 years ago many of the big European clubs didn't have women's teams now they all do and they're applying the same development techniques used on men for women. Very soon women will face the same challenges as men regarding European Academy dropouts in college and NWSL preferring European Academy players over Anerican talent.

Once all this hits NWSL is going to be forced into creating "NWSL Next" because they're facing the exact same challenges as MLS.

US Soccer will bend over backwards to let NWSL create a pro league through them. It would be WAY harder for NWSL to go it alone. Operationally it just makes sense to take everything that works in MLSN and apply it to Girls as "NWSLN".

US Soccer can want it wants but NWSL, just as MLS, Premier League, La Liga, etc are their own leagues. None of those leagues are there to serve the needs of their national teams.

The sooner you get that through your head the better you’ll understand. There are American players in Europe now. Does US Soccer care? Nooo. Players will go where they can play and make the most money at the highest level they can. NWSL is not the highest level women’s league in the world right now. Their mission is not to be a US Soccer development academy. Their mission is to be a professional women’s soccer league. They are competing against European leagues for players not youth academy players.

You’re simply wrong with applying the particular goals of two different organizations. There are moments where their goals are aligned and there are moments where they are not aligned. NWSL will do what is best for NWSL first and foremost. If that happens to help US Soccer, great but US Soccer’s needs are not NWSL or MLS’s priorities.

MLS created MLS Next in conjunction with US Soccer.

MLS Next exists and is thriving.

Sorry, this is what NWSL will emulate when they choose to start working with Youth clubs.

Was SYC in DA? No. Did prior league affiliation matter in their case? No.

No youth league will be partnered with if NWSL creates their own league. How hard is that to understand?