We need massively stepped up criminal enforcement and convictions in DC

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Anonymous wrote:I don't agree with the OP, we need to dig deeper into a lot of these youth to see how we can support them as a society. The recurring same policies and tactics are no longer working and therefore we cannot keep asking why longer-harsher prison sentences are not working. We need to work on a new revolutionary idea in criminal enforcement. Broken children become broken adults when coupled with generational trauma.

There is enough money in DC, but not enough social workers.

No, that’s not it. Harsh sentences absolutely do work, they just have to be consistently enforced. Have you been in Singapore?
Of course, it should be a multi-pronged approach. Consistent enforcement is just one aspect, and that must include the adults around these kids.

I heard a social worker on the radio this morning lamenting that he’s visited the kids’ homes who are repeatedly stealing cars and engaging in criminal activities.
His complaint: There were drugs in the home, and no food in the fridge.

To this I would say that these youths then should be removed from these environments that are not homes.
More social workers are not going to make a difference in these situations. These kids are already eligible for free food, free healthcare, and free education.
Support systems that kids in other countries could only dream of! Yet it does not help at all, it has no positive impact. Why is that?

Things not earned have no value. When you work to earn your food you appreciate. When you work to pay your rent or mortgage you are invested in the neighborhood.

Exactly, as the other poster said Singapore has some draconian laws, but hey they work. They ensure that crime is low. And keep in mind that Singapore is a very very expensive country/city to live in and has its own problems with poverty, but those people don't turn to crime.

As an immigrant from a country where it's hard to make something of yourself, whenever I hear people here complain about the "injustice" and etc, I simply scoff at that. I am sorry, you) they were born in the US, which provides people with boundless opportunities. It is on them to make something of themselves. And even then, they have many programs to support (as you said, kids in many countries would dream of that), yet those people turn to crime and people keep complaining about "systemic injustices" . I am sorry at some point it is a them problem, and If they turn to crime (especially violent crime), I am sorry but the full force of the law should be brought down upon them (max punishment, keeping them in jail before their trials, etc).

No thanks, I don't want to live in a back water 3rd world country like Singapore. Max punishment is not going to work because crime will still happen, it just means more underground deals and dirtier politicians who you think are keeping you safe but are not. If your country was so awesome in justice, equity and fairness you would not have moved to America. Obviously, as the news pointed out, the man was having a mental health crisis. Apart of fairness is equity and a social net. Countries without such can expect to fail and have the illest in society disrupt their peace.

I am pretty sure you couldn’t find Singapore on a map and have no idea anything about the country. Surveillance by cctv is everywhere and crime is harshly punished. As a result citizens give up some freedoms but live in a society where they don’t have to worry about getting randomly robbed and assaulted, walking over human feces, getting harassed by mentally unstable people, getting carjacked by a 13 year old, etc.

In the United States the car theft rate is 287 per 100,000 while in Singapore it is 1 per 100,000. In DC it is 651 per 100,000.

Singapore is the third safest country in the world.

A crappy Toyota Corolla in Singapore costs $120K because the government doesn’t want people to drive. If you give up freedom for security, you’ll pay for it everyday of your life.



The US gives citizens a wide degree of freedom.

My god you sound entitled and make no sense at the same time. Singapore is not taking away people's freedom to drive, yeah cars are taxed to incentive people to use cars less, but that is not the same thing as "taking away freedom to drive". If you can buy one you can drive one (and many in SG do because they are educated and hard working enough to be able to afford it). But the benefit of fewer cars is less pollution and traffic. Moreover, public transportation in Singapore is excellent so no need to have a car. If you got out of your bubble you would realize people in many countries don't need cars (for example many European cities) due to excellent public transportation.

Let me guess on your freedom charade, you are also a supported of the dumb 2nd amendment and right to bear arms? I am sure you would be happy to sacrifice other people's right to safe environments (for example sage schools) just so you could carry a gun?

Last, on your point on privacy, in today's world there is no such thing. You have a cellphone and on the internet? Then you have no privacy already, these companies know everything about you...so your point in that makes no sense.

Speaking of Singapore, flogging juvenile criminals who carjack and commit certain other violent crimes would be a strong deterrent that need not involve a lengthy prison sentence.

I don’t think the flogging is the deterrent. They execute drug dealers.

Do they still have drug dealers? If so, it's not a deterrent.

I don't think you know what "deterrent" means.

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Anonymous wrote:Priors of carjacker who killed the man in NoMA and critically injured the man picking up his wife on K St. Color me SHOCKED. Matt Graves has a lot of blood on his hands.

Threatens to kill police officers, is anrtested.

USAO drops the case to a misdemeanor, then drops the case completely.

Suspect goes on killing spree.

Broken.

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Anonymous wrote:Priors of carjacker who killed the man in NoMA and critically injured the man picking up his wife on K St. Color me SHOCKED. Matt Graves has a lot of blood on his hands.

Threatens to kill police officers, is anrtested.

USAO drops the case to a misdemeanor, then drops the case completely.

Suspect goes on killing spree.

Broken.

I have no idea what the strategy/conspiracy is, but it’s time to accept that these preventable murders happen because someone wants them to.

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Anonymous wrote:We should focus on housing, providing mental health services and other holistic wrap around services for teens and the mentally ill.... many of whom are Vietnam veterans.

I heard someone on the radio mention they are a social worker and found teens who are committing the acts do not have food in their homes and are often unsupervised due to lack of proper parental care.

This country should be ashamed of itself for not doing enough for its taxed citizens.

Failure to care for everyone in society leads to these kind of outcomes.

It’s not 80 year old Vietnam vets that are carjacking and shooting people in the head.

Heard the same radio show; Remove the teens from this environment is the only answer.

The city is already spending 115 million dollars per year on services! Yet it doesn’t help!

Research has shown that removing teens from their support systems only makes the problem worse.

I don't think the teens we are talking about have much of a support system.

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In addition to crime, the fiscal choices are concerning.

Those who voted for Frumin may not have made the wisest choice.

Scroll down this thread for the financial antics of the current Council, on the expenditure side. In an environment where CRE and other revenue is guaranteed to dwindle. Are they gunning (pun intended) for another control board? The very short term SNAP funding was as ill considered as putting a convicted murderer on the technically oriented Sentencing Commission, with no relevant expertise.

And of course, the crime trends make DC a less appealing place to live, work, visit or play (or locate your sports teams) which is not helpful for revenue.

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Anonymous wrote:Priors of carjacker who killed the man in NoMA and critically injured the man picking up his wife on K St. Color me SHOCKED. Matt Graves has a lot of blood on his hands.

Threatens to kill police officers, is anrtested.

USAO drops the case to a misdemeanor, then drops the case completely.

Suspect goes on killing spree.

Broken.

I have no idea what the strategy/conspiracy is, but it’s time to accept that these preventable murders happen because someone wants them to.

Agree at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:Priors of carjacker who killed the man in NoMA and critically injured the man picking up his wife on K St. Color me SHOCKED. Matt Graves has a lot of blood on his hands.

Threatens to kill police officers, is anrtested.

USAO drops the case to a misdemeanor, then drops the case completely.

Suspect goes on killing spree.

Broken.

I have no idea what the strategy/conspiracy is, but it’s time to accept that these preventable murders happen because someone wants them to.

Who?

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Anonymous wrote:Priors of carjacker who killed the man in NoMA and critically injured the man picking up his wife on K St. Color me SHOCKED. Matt Graves has a lot of blood on his hands.

Threatens to kill police officers, is anrtested.

USAO drops the case to a misdemeanor, then drops the case completely.

Suspect goes on killing spree.

Broken.

I have no idea what the strategy/conspiracy is, but it’s time to accept that these preventable murders happen because someone wants them to.

Who?

I don’t know. Follow the money usually answers every question for why something goes on. But this crime spree is destroying value in addition to the loss of life.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't agree with the OP, we need to dig deeper into a lot of these youth to see how we can support them as a society. The recurring same policies and tactics are no longer working and therefore we cannot keep asking why longer-harsher prison sentences are not working. We need to work on a new revolutionary idea in criminal enforcement. Broken children become broken adults when coupled with generational trauma.

There is enough money in DC, but not enough social workers.

No, that’s not it. Harsh sentences absolutely do work, they just have to be consistently enforced. Have you been in Singapore?
Of course, it should be a multi-pronged approach. Consistent enforcement is just one aspect, and that must include the adults around these kids.

I heard a social worker on the radio this morning lamenting that he’s visited the kids’ homes who are repeatedly stealing cars and engaging in criminal activities.
His complaint: There were drugs in the home, and no food in the fridge.

To this I would say that these youths then should be removed from these environments that are not homes.
More social workers are not going to make a difference in these situations. These kids are already eligible for free food, free healthcare, and free education.
Support systems that kids in other countries could only dream of! Yet it does not help at all, it has no positive impact. Why is that?

Things not earned have no value. When you work to earn your food you appreciate. When you work to pay your rent or mortgage you are invested in the neighborhood.

Exactly, as the other poster said Singapore has some draconian laws, but hey they work. They ensure that crime is low. And keep in mind that Singapore is a very very expensive country/city to live in and has its own problems with poverty, but those people don't turn to crime.

As an immigrant from a country where it's hard to make something of yourself, whenever I hear people here complain about the "injustice" and etc, I simply scoff at that. I am sorry, you) they were born in the US, which provides people with boundless opportunities. It is on them to make something of themselves. And even then, they have many programs to support (as you said, kids in many countries would dream of that), yet those people turn to crime and people keep complaining about "systemic injustices" . I am sorry at some point it is a them problem, and If they turn to crime (especially violent crime), I am sorry but the full force of the law should be brought down upon them (max punishment, keeping them in jail before their trials, etc).

No thanks, I don't want to live in a back water 3rd world country like Singapore. Max punishment is not going to work because crime will still happen, it just means more underground deals and dirtier politicians who you think are keeping you safe but are not. If your country was so awesome in justice, equity and fairness you would not have moved to America. Obviously, as the news pointed out, the man was having a mental health crisis. Apart of fairness is equity and a social net. Countries without such can expect to fail and have the illest in society disrupt their peace.

I am pretty sure you couldn’t find Singapore on a map and have no idea anything about the country. Surveillance by cctv is everywhere and crime is harshly punished. As a result citizens give up some freedoms but live in a society where they don’t have to worry about getting randomly robbed and assaulted, walking over human feces, getting harassed by mentally unstable people, getting carjacked by a 13 year old, etc.

In the United States the car theft rate is 287 per 100,000 while in Singapore it is 1 per 100,000. In DC it is 651 per 100,000.

Singapore is the third safest country in the world.

A crappy Toyota Corolla in Singapore costs $120K because the government doesn’t want people to drive. If you give up freedom for security, you’ll pay for it everyday of your life.



The US gives citizens a wide degree of freedom.

My god you sound entitled and make no sense at the same time. Singapore is not taking away people's freedom to drive, yeah cars are taxed to incentive people to use cars less, but that is not the same thing as "taking away freedom to drive". If you can buy one you can drive one (and many in SG do because they are educated and hard working enough to be able to afford it). But the benefit of fewer cars is less pollution and traffic. Moreover, public transportation in Singapore is excellent so no need to have a car. If you got out of your bubble you would realize people in many countries don't need cars (for example many European cities) due to excellent public transportation.

Let me guess on your freedom charade, you are also a supported of the dumb 2nd amendment and right to bear arms? I am sure you would be happy to sacrifice other people's right to safe environments (for example sage schools) just so you could carry a gun?

Last, on your point on privacy, in today's world there is no such thing. You have a cellphone and on the internet? Then you have no privacy already, these companies know everything about you...so your point in that makes no sense.

Speaking of Singapore, flogging juvenile criminals who carjack and commit certain other violent crimes would be a strong deterrent that need not involve a lengthy prison sentence.

I don’t think the flogging is the deterrent. They execute drug dealers.

Do they still have drug dealers? If so, it's not a deterrent.

I don't think you know what "deterrent" means.

So, I take that as a yes. If it does not eliminate the problem, it's not a deterrent.

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Anonymous wrote:Priors of carjacker who killed the man in NoMA and critically injured the man picking up his wife on K St. Color me SHOCKED. Matt Graves has a lot of blood on his hands.

Threatens to kill police officers, is anrtested.

USAO drops the case to a misdemeanor, then drops the case completely.

Suspect goes on killing spree.

Broken.

I hope his family files a wrongful death lawsuit. Cunningham could have been apprehended without using lethal force. These out-of-control police departments need to be reined in.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't agree with the OP, we need to dig deeper into a lot of these youth to see how we can support them as a society. The recurring same policies and tactics are no longer working and therefore we cannot keep asking why longer-harsher prison sentences are not working. We need to work on a new revolutionary idea in criminal enforcement. Broken children become broken adults when coupled with generational trauma.

There is enough money in DC, but not enough social workers.

No, that’s not it. Harsh sentences absolutely do work, they just have to be consistently enforced. Have you been in Singapore?
Of course, it should be a multi-pronged approach. Consistent enforcement is just one aspect, and that must include the adults around these kids.

I heard a social worker on the radio this morning lamenting that he’s visited the kids’ homes who are repeatedly stealing cars and engaging in criminal activities.
His complaint: There were drugs in the home, and no food in the fridge.

To this I would say that these youths then should be removed from these environments that are not homes.
More social workers are not going to make a difference in these situations. These kids are already eligible for free food, free healthcare, and free education.
Support systems that kids in other countries could only dream of! Yet it does not help at all, it has no positive impact. Why is that?

Things not earned have no value. When you work to earn your food you appreciate. When you work to pay your rent or mortgage you are invested in the neighborhood.

Exactly, as the other poster said Singapore has some draconian laws, but hey they work. They ensure that crime is low. And keep in mind that Singapore is a very very expensive country/city to live in and has its own problems with poverty, but those people don't turn to crime.

As an immigrant from a country where it's hard to make something of yourself, whenever I hear people here complain about the "injustice" and etc, I simply scoff at that. I am sorry, you) they were born in the US, which provides people with boundless opportunities. It is on them to make something of themselves. And even then, they have many programs to support (as you said, kids in many countries would dream of that), yet those people turn to crime and people keep complaining about "systemic injustices" . I am sorry at some point it is a them problem, and If they turn to crime (especially violent crime), I am sorry but the full force of the law should be brought down upon them (max punishment, keeping them in jail before their trials, etc).

No thanks, I don't want to live in a back water 3rd world country like Singapore. Max punishment is not going to work because crime will still happen, it just means more underground deals and dirtier politicians who you think are keeping you safe but are not. If your country was so awesome in justice, equity and fairness you would not have moved to America. Obviously, as the news pointed out, the man was having a mental health crisis. Apart of fairness is equity and a social net. Countries without such can expect to fail and have the illest in society disrupt their peace.

I am pretty sure you couldn’t find Singapore on a map and have no idea anything about the country. Surveillance by cctv is everywhere and crime is harshly punished. As a result citizens give up some freedoms but live in a society where they don’t have to worry about getting randomly robbed and assaulted, walking over human feces, getting harassed by mentally unstable people, getting carjacked by a 13 year old, etc.

In the United States the car theft rate is 287 per 100,000 while in Singapore it is 1 per 100,000. In DC it is 651 per 100,000.

Singapore is the third safest country in the world.

A crappy Toyota Corolla in Singapore costs $120K because the government doesn’t want people to drive. If you give up freedom for security, you’ll pay for it everyday of your life.



The US gives citizens a wide degree of freedom.

My god you sound entitled and make no sense at the same time. Singapore is not taking away people's freedom to drive, yeah cars are taxed to incentive people to use cars less, but that is not the same thing as "taking away freedom to drive". If you can buy one you can drive one (and many in SG do because they are educated and hard working enough to be able to afford it). But the benefit of fewer cars is less pollution and traffic. Moreover, public transportation in Singapore is excellent so no need to have a car. If you got out of your bubble you would realize people in many countries don't need cars (for example many European cities) due to excellent public transportation.

Let me guess on your freedom charade, you are also a supported of the dumb 2nd amendment and right to bear arms? I am sure you would be happy to sacrifice other people's right to safe environments (for example sage schools) just so you could carry a gun?

Last, on your point on privacy, in today's world there is no such thing. You have a cellphone and on the internet? Then you have no privacy already, these companies know everything about you...so your point in that makes no sense.

Speaking of Singapore, flogging juvenile criminals who carjack and commit certain other violent crimes would be a strong deterrent that need not involve a lengthy prison sentence.

I don’t think the flogging is the deterrent. They execute drug dealers.

Do they still have drug dealers? If so, it's not a deterrent.

I don't think you know what "deterrent" means.

So, I take that as a yes. If it does not eliminate the problem, it's not a deterrent.

NP. That is one of the stupidest sentences I’ve ever read.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Priors of carjacker who killed the man in NoMA and critically injured the man picking up his wife on K St. Color me SHOCKED. Matt Graves has a lot of blood on his hands.

Threatens to kill police officers, is anrtested.

USAO drops the case to a misdemeanor, then drops the case completely.

Suspect goes on killing spree.

Broken.

I hope his family files a wrongful death lawsuit. Cunningham could have been apprehended without using lethal force. These out-of-control police departments need to be reined in.

No compassion whatsoever for the true victims, eh?

[Anonymous]

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I hope his family files a wrongful death lawsuit. Cunningham could have been apprehended without using lethal force. These out-of-control police departments need to be reined in.


No compassion whatsoever for the true victims, eh?

No kidding. Cunningham would have been back on the street in record time and let loose to kill and maim other innocent victims. I really do feel like I now live in an episode of "Gotham"

[Anonymous]

Or their families and young children?

Is there a name for this new religion of deification of the criminal element?

[Anonymous]

Interesting discussion re: criminal decision making. In the discussion, new to this country criminals, same calculous. Only makes sense. And we see the same here, with criminals from around the region committing crimes then fleeing into DC where they are very rarely chased (by DCMPD or given authority if other LE). We saw a similar video of DC teens discussing crimes and punishments and one urging carjacking rather than taking a human life and listing sentences. Of course, that boy thought you would get a longer sentence than is sometimes the case, the "McDonald's sauce" murderous 16 yr old from MD is only confined at DCYRS (to play Call of Duty and GTA all day) until 21.

Wonder what the impact of Baltimore's improvements in their LE system will be, will there be a spillover effect?